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Post by fierce on Jan 12, 2021 10:09:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 10:41:35 GMT -5
Ole Rag it is then. Hope they arn't closed like last year.. I'm working out every day. Iām working out daily also. I have improved from 12 to 16 oz curls. PS I NEVER was a Rudy fan. Lost my leg strengh the past few months. 9 miles looks dim but..Let it warm up if i'm in Va i'll meet ya.. Just give me a couple days notice ..
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 12, 2021 11:10:34 GMT -5
I really think Kyrie has mental health issues
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 11:23:31 GMT -5
I really think Kyrie has mental health issues Yep but.....He's not this far gone i don't believe. NBA is full of head cases always has been..
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Post by cole on Jan 12, 2021 11:37:07 GMT -5
Rodman made it work for him though, on the court. Kyrie seems always in a funk
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Post by sfbosfan on Jan 12, 2021 11:46:48 GMT -5
I don't subscribe to that maxim. Danny had once said about the Big-3 Celts: you can't just turn it on. You have to be playing well.
Kyrie, the hot air balloon, felt that he could just turn it on. He shot his mouth in the Milwaukee series about how this is the reason why the Celts brought him here. The he got his ass run out of town.
Durant may be the best player in the East but the Nets don't look so great right now. Are they coasting? Doesn't look like it the few times I have tried to catch portions of their game. Then there is Kyrie, unable to separate professionalism from emotion and refusing to play.
I am starting to get how you like the paper evaluation and talent level. So in your book Tatum and Brown have not yet made it there on paper. That is OK. I believe that it takes more than paper talent to win. Tatum, Brown, Horford, (injured) Hayward and Kyrie got their ass handed to them by Milwaukee. On paper, that was a fantastic team.
Well lets put it this way, just because Danny said it doesnt make it true. The 2010 Celtics ended the season going 15-14 and made it to the finals and probably wouldve won if Perk didnt get hurt. The 2012 Celtics started the year 5-9 and were 1 game away from going to the finals, they just lost to a better team. So essentially they did just turn it on, which veteran teams tend to do in the NBA. Kyrie, hated it here quite frankly. He also is not good enough to win being the best player on a team, which he was here. They lost to MIL because MIL was better, didnt they sweep the Pacers before that? MIL had the best player by far in the series, along with Middleton and Brogdon. The Celtics werent better on paper. Kyrie as the best player along with 2 really young players in Brown/Tatum and Hayward at like 50% health doesnt make them better. The Bucks won 60 games that year and had the league MVP along with a couple other really good players, 1 being an all star Durant, like you said is the best player in the east and looks like his mobility and athleticism is completely back. Nobody questions Durants effort, I think he will get Kyrie in line as the year goes on. Ive said Kyrie cannot lead a team, luckily for the Nets case he isnt the leader or best player. Them not playing well right now, also they barely play at the same time or at all...simply doesnt matter, once they get in the playoffs we will see how things turn out. Maybe they lose, but im a believer in talent wins in the NBA and they have the most in the East. Again, not saying they couldnt lose to the Celtics, etc. Just that my prediction wouldnt go against them Miami beating MIL and BOS last year was an aberration, consistently the talent wins out. Like it did with the LAL Re: "Miami beating MIL and BOS last year was an aberration, consistently the talent wins out. Like it did with the LAL ā The real bad luck I believe was we needed Hayward not to be injured and available the whole playoffs vs Miami and giving us 20pts+ per game to relieve a bit Tatum & Brown. When he played the 2 games, one we won & then lost to Miami, he was not playing, most likely not fully recovered, like he is now with a few 30+ pt games.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 11:59:17 GMT -5
Rodman made it work for him though, on the court. Kyrie seems always in a funk Salley believes that by Phil Jackson giving Rodman the freedom to be himself in the Bulls locker room, it translated onto the basketball court where it allowed the eccentric player to give it his all. āIn Chicago, while Phil [Jackson] was talking, he would take a shower and go get dressed,ā said Salley. āPhil wouldnāt say anything. He would just let him flow. With anybody else, it would be like: āyou get in here with everybody else.ā But Phil knew that he was in his world and when he is in his world he turns out to be this unbelievable thing.. Rodman had many problems.. Nash is talking with Jackson would be my guess.. KD will be the most likely one bring him down to earth is my guess.. The regular season doesn't mean much at this point.. Come playoff if he doesn't deliver might well be his undoing..
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Post by fierce on Jan 12, 2021 12:39:37 GMT -5
Re: "Miami beating MIL and BOS last year was an aberration, consistently the talent wins out. Like it did with the LAL ā The real bad luck I believe was we needed Hayward not to be injured and available the whole playoffs vs Miami and giving us 20pts+ per game to relieve a bit Tatum & Brown. When he played the 2 games, one we won & then lost to Miami, he was not playing, most likely not fully recovered, like he is now with a few 30+ pt games. Reason why the Celts lost to Miami was because the Celts had a hard time scoring against the Zone and Celts had no one who could guard Bam Adebayo. In last week's win against Miami, the Zone was not a problem for the Celts and Bam Adebayo was held to 15 point and 8 rebounds. Bam averaged 21.8 ppg and 11.0 rpg against the Celts in the east finals last season. The addition of Tristan Thompson really made a difference. TT gives the Celts inside scoring, something Theis couldn't do in the east finals. And TT is a better match-up for Bam because TT is bigger.
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Post by fierce on Jan 12, 2021 12:45:24 GMT -5
It's also unlikely Hayward would average 20 ppg with the Celts.
GH was healthy in Game 1 against the Sixers.
He played 34 minutes and had 12 points.
Celts were just not a balanced team last season.
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Post by cole on Jan 12, 2021 12:48:19 GMT -5
Rodman made it work for him though, on the court. Kyrie seems always in a funk Salley believes that by Phil Jackson giving Rodman the freedom to be himself in the Bulls locker room, it translated onto the basketball court where it allowed the eccentric player to give it his all. āIn Chicago, while Phil [Jackson] was talking, he would take a shower and go get dressed,ā said Salley. āPhil wouldnāt say anything. He would just let him flow. With anybody else, it would be like: āyou get in here with everybody else.ā But Phil knew that he was in his world and when he is in his world he turns out to be this unbelievable thing.. Rodman had many problems.. Nash is talking with Jackson would be my guess.. KD will be the most likely one bring him down to earth is my guess.. The regular season doesn't mean much at this point.. Come playoff if he doesn't deliver might well be his undoing.. Maybe in the locker room KD can get in his head, but on the court KD is kind of a jerk. I'm sure you can think of the major examples but the big one was Dremond, obviously. I can see him getting mad at Kyrie in the heat of battle just as quickly. KD's personality changed a lot over the course of his OKC years, not for the better. Did you see that horrible interview with Barkley? Is this the locker-room coach on the court? Would Jaylen ever be this disrespectful to the network and nba, regardless of his feelings toward chuck?
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Post by fierce on Jan 12, 2021 12:54:02 GMT -5
I think the team the Celts should be worried about is the Sixers.
Last season the Celts could double team Embiid because the Sixers didn't have good shooters.
This season it will be very hard to double Embiid because they now have Danny Green and Seth Curry.
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Post by cole on Jan 12, 2021 12:54:51 GMT -5
So far we're the only decent team they've beaten if I remember right.
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Post by fierce on Jan 12, 2021 12:58:11 GMT -5
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Post by fierce on Jan 12, 2021 13:00:06 GMT -5
So far we're the only decent team they've beaten if I remember right. They beat the Sixers without KD and Kyrie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 13:09:38 GMT -5
Nah Cole.. I don't follow KD or any player alot that isn't on our team.
Just presenting what might be an outlet for Irving..
I never wanted him here from the start for these reasons, Don't care what going on with him now.
Two things are evident.. Irving has alot talent and the Nets alot have talent.. What shakes out? IDK.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 12, 2021 13:12:18 GMT -5
Perfect teammates. Both immensely talented and immensely thin skinned.
They can easily relate to each other and therefore encourage one another.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 12, 2021 13:12:50 GMT -5
Will that come at the expense of team chemistry as a whole though?
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 12, 2021 13:13:10 GMT -5
Time will tell on that
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 12, 2021 13:14:02 GMT -5
I think because they're both immensely thin skinned they will get irritated with one another at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 13:15:26 GMT -5
People in the general public have contacted it more than once,, Foolish to think a player who's nose to nose against another for 20 or 30 minutes on the court wouldn't follow suit. No word from Silver.. No word when and if the postponed games will be played.. No long term plan is in place.. They are winging it.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 12, 2021 13:17:55 GMT -5
People in the general public have contacted it more than once,, Foolish to think a player who's nose to nose against anotherĀ for 20 or 30 minutes on the court wouldn't follow suit. No word from Silver.. No word when and if the postponed games will be played.. No long term plan is in place.. They are winging it. I think they were hoping to get through the season and then for the postseason do a bubble again.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 12, 2021 13:22:53 GMT -5
Maybe it's me, but I feel "balanced" scoring is 5 guys scoring 10, not two guys scoring 25. A balanced team would be 4 or 5 players at the end of games capable of making plays. Like Pierce holding the ball, driving and passing to Ray Allen in the corner. Right now, everyone knows Tatum is taking the shot. Perhaps it will get better when Kemba comes back, perhaps not
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Post by solly on Jan 12, 2021 13:24:22 GMT -5
I heard the league might do a 2 week shutdown as a whole cause of COVID
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 13:32:02 GMT -5
I don't subscribe to that maxim. Danny had once said about the Big-3 Celts: you can't just turn it on. You have to be playing well.
Kyrie, the hot air balloon, felt that he could just turn it on. He shot his mouth in the Milwaukee series about how this is the reason why the Celts brought him here. The he got his ass run out of town.
Durant may be the best player in the East but the Nets don't look so great right now. Are they coasting? Doesn't look like it the few times I have tried to catch portions of their game. Then there is Kyrie, unable to separate professionalism from emotion and refusing to play.
I am starting to get how you like the paper evaluation and talent level. So in your book Tatum and Brown have not yet made it there on paper. That is OK. I believe that it takes more than paper talent to win. Tatum, Brown, Horford, (injured) Hayward and Kyrie got their ass handed to them by Milwaukee. On paper, that was a fantastic team.
Well lets put it this way, just because Danny said it doesnt make it true. The 2010 Celtics ended the season going 15-14 and made it to the finals and probably wouldve won if Perk didnt get hurt. The 2012 Celtics started the year 5-9 and were 1 game away from going to the finals, they just lost to a better team. So essentially they did just turn it on, which veteran teams tend to do in the NBA. Kyrie, hated it here quite frankly. He also is not good enough to win being the best player on a team, which he was here. They lost to MIL because MIL was better, didnt they sweep the Pacers before that? MIL had the best player by far in the series, along with Middleton and Brogdon. The Celtics werent better on paper. Kyrie as the best player along with 2 really young players in Brown/Tatum and Hayward at like 50% health doesnt make them better. The Bucks won 60 games that year and had the league MVP along with a couple other really good players, 1 being an all star Durant, like you said is the best player in the east and looks like his mobility and athleticism is completely back. Nobody questions Durants effort, I think he will get Kyrie in line as the year goes on. Ive said Kyrie cannot lead a team, luckily for the Nets case he isnt the leader or best player. Them not playing well right now, also they barely play at the same time or at all...simply doesnt matter, once they get in the playoffs we will see how things turn out. Maybe they lose, but im a believer in talent wins in the NBA and they have the most in the East. Again, not saying they couldnt lose to the Celtics, etc. Just that my prediction wouldnt go against them Miami beating MIL and BOS last year was an aberration, consistently the talent wins out. Like it did with the LAL
I get it. That is what I was pointing to. When you say talent, you are pointing to paper talent.
"Durant is the best player in the East". Well, KD did not win until he left OKC and joined the Dubs. They featured him but lets not forget the spat with Draymod, "We have won without you." The unsung hero on the Dubs was Klay Thompson. He was instrumental in breaking KD's spirit when the Warriors beat OKC in 7. And yet, willingly took the back seat while KD was featured.
Then there were the Celts. KD was not the best PF in the league, Duncan was. Paul Pierce was not the best SF in the league. LeBron was. Ray Allen was on the decline. Rondo didn't do much after he left Boston. Yet, they were a top team. But Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Horford and Kyrie were not a talented team. Also, them losing to Milwaukee was about talent although the Bucks then lost to Toronto.
Looks like you prefer to believe that KD will reign in Kyrie but you don't prefer to believe that Tatum and Brown will take a step up. You say that we would have won if Perk was not hurt while not considering the injuries to Dragic and Adebayo. You are attributing it all to LAL talent.
Just to clarify, I am not questioning your allegiance here. Just pointing out that you and I are seeing the Celts from very different perspectives. BTW, you are not the only one. There are other Championship or bust fans here.
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Post by cole on Jan 12, 2021 13:32:02 GMT -5
So far we're the only decent team they've beaten if I remember right. They beat the Sixers without KD and Kyrie. actually i was referring to the sixers. I'll have to go back and look at the conversation to see why edit - fierce said he was more worried about the sixers sixers beat us then indy in the first two games. since then it's been cupcake city, given that orlando turned out to be pretenders
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