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Post by kivancb on Sept 17, 2020 20:43:06 GMT -5
We won 3 quarters in this gamne.
Only problem? We lost the only one by 20!
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Post by Cabutan on Sept 17, 2020 20:43:57 GMT -5
I was just going to say the same thing. I still think we should have looked at J-Crossover Ainge didn't know Hayward would be hurt in Game 1 of the 1st round. The Heat is just simply a bad matchup for Celts. Celts have scorers, but the Zone is giving them trouble. The have only one real scorer and the rest are shooters. Theis is the weakest link because Theis can't make them pay on offense. zone is giving us issues cuz brad doesnt know how to handle it. Steaight up the truth. Saw him go for a play that required a pick in a zone. Absurd.
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Post by sfbosfan on Sept 17, 2020 20:44:19 GMT -5
They have better and more experienced players Yes!
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Post by Admin on Sept 17, 2020 20:44:59 GMT -5
Fierce ... Shouldn't Brad have devised a plan by now for the C's to overcome their shortcomings against the zone. This has been an ongoing problem since the regular season. Everyone know come Q3 chage up your D to zone and C's are stymied. That's on Brad.
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Post by Admin on Sept 17, 2020 20:45:41 GMT -5
We won 3 quarters in this gamne. Only problem? We lost the only one by 20!
Right you are.
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Post by kivancb on Sept 17, 2020 20:47:00 GMT -5
They shot 18 more FGs than us. 18!
But we outrebounded them?
Statistical reason of loss: Turnovers. 20 turnovers. Against Raptors we had averaged single digit turnovers.
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Post by fierce on Sept 17, 2020 20:47:11 GMT -5
Ainge didn't know Hayward would be hurt in Game 1 of the 1st round. The Heat is just simply a bad matchup for Celts. Celts have scorers, but the Zone is giving them trouble. The have only one real scorer and the rest are shooters. Theis is the weakest link because Theis can't make them pay on offense. zone is giving us issues cuz brad doesnt know how to handle it. Steaight up the truth. Saw him go for a play that required a pick in a zone. Absurd. I think it has to do more with personnel. That's why I wanted Ainge to give up draft picks for Bertans. The only way to break a Zone Defense is to have shooters. Celts don't have a real shooter. Tatum, Brown, Kemba, and Hayward are all scorers, not shooters.
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Post by elvissurfs on Sept 17, 2020 20:47:54 GMT -5
Not if Denver or Miami have a say in it... I don't think either of them can beat playoff Rondo agreed...we are fukked...the NBA wrote this long ago...obviously players would like to live on the west coast...
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Post by sfbosfan on Sept 17, 2020 20:48:30 GMT -5
Sorry guys but I believe we could be swept ...when they come back from being down 14...one time 19 I think...they get close & know how to put in the daggers.
Hey, they might beat LeBron as he and Davis will not cave like we did.
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Post by fierce on Sept 17, 2020 20:50:27 GMT -5
Fierce ... Shouldn't Brad have devised a plan by now for the C's to overcome their shortcomings against the zone. This has been an ongoing problem since the regular season. Everyone know come Q3 chage up your D to zone and C's are stymied. That's on Brad. If you're familiar with FIBA basketball, the only way to break the Zone is to have multiple shooters. In FIBA basketball, there is no defensive 3 second violation. So the Center can camp in the paint for as long as he wants. That's why it's very hard to score in the paint in FIBA tournaments. Only real open shots you get is from the outside. The Celts just don't have a shooter like Bertans. It's either Ainge traded for Capela or gave the picks for Bertans. Right now Theis is just not good enough for the Heat. As good as Theis is on defense, he's not making the Heat pay on the offensive end.
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Post by sfbosfan on Sept 17, 2020 20:54:00 GMT -5
I mean maybe we shouldn’t have gotten up by +14! I mean the fans feel comfortable with the leads but blowing them is too painful. Sorry guys I’m not hopeful going forward. And we did have a 4pt lead with 2 min to go and they hit a 3...luck. Seems good players get lucky.
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Post by elvissurfs on Sept 17, 2020 20:56:19 GMT -5
Fierce ... Shouldn't Brad have devised a plan by now for the C's to overcome their shortcomings against the zone. This has been an ongoing problem since the regular season. Everyone know come Q3 chage up your D to zone and C's are stymied. That's on Brad. If you're familiar with FIBA basketball, the only way to break the Zone is to have multiple shooters. In FIBA basketball, there is no defensive 3 second violation. So the Center can camp in the paint for as long as he wants. That's why it's very hard to score in the paint in FIBA tournaments. Only real open shots you get is from the outside. The Celts just don't have a shooter like Bertans. It's either Ainge traded for Capela or gave the picks for Bertans. Right now Theis is just not good enough for the Heat. As good as Theis is on defense, he's not making the Heat pay on the offensive end. Well, that is a pretty heavy knowledgeable post...hard to argue with that...
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Post by kivancb on Sept 17, 2020 21:10:31 GMT -5
Gary Washburn reports there's been a lot of tension in C's locker room after the game.
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Post by Cabutan on Sept 17, 2020 21:10:56 GMT -5
zone is giving us issues cuz brad doesnt know how to handle it. Steaight up the truth. Saw him go for a play that required a pick in a zone. Absurd. I think it has to do more with personnel. That's why I wanted Ainge to give up draft picks for Bertans. The only way to break a Zone Defense is to have shooters. Celts don't have a real shooter. Tatum, Brown, Kemba, and Hayward are all scorers, not shooters. well not really. In my playing days we beat zone by players moving and moving the ball.
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Post by fierce on Sept 17, 2020 21:11:14 GMT -5
If you're familiar with FIBA basketball, the only way to break the Zone is to have multiple shooters. In FIBA basketball, there is no defensive 3 second violation. So the Center can camp in the paint for as long as he wants. That's why it's very hard to score in the paint in FIBA tournaments. Only real open shots you get is from the outside. The Celts just don't have a shooter like Bertans. It's either Ainge traded for Capela or gave the picks for Bertans. Right now Theis is just not good enough for the Heat. As good as Theis is on defense, he's not making the Heat pay on the offensive end. Well, that is a pretty heavy knowledgeable post...hard to argue with that... I think this is more on Ainge than Brad. Hard to blame the coach when Ainge didn't give him the complete set of tools. It's like giving a mechanic wrenches and pliers but no screw driver. Brad has multiple scorers, true, but he doesn't have that Korver, Bertans, or Herro to make the Zone pay. To be fair to Ainge also, the trade deadline was February and the Celts weren't really looking like they could make the east finals at that time. It was only in the bubble in August that the Celts started playing like champs because of the improved play of Jaylen Brown and the better defense from the Celts. So Ainge was playing the long game by not trading assets for the short-term. It's just unfortunate that the Celts are 4 games away from the Finals but they are lacking a shooter or shooters to counter the Zone.
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Post by Cabutan on Sept 17, 2020 21:12:37 GMT -5
Pass and cut beats zones. Not 3s
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Post by sfbosfan on Sept 17, 2020 21:13:26 GMT -5
We won 4 of 8 Qtrs. Should be 1-1. Not fair.
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Post by Cabutan on Sept 17, 2020 21:14:27 GMT -5
Brad is getting outcoached. Our players beat. Tatum is trying too hard. We need to go back to the basics but Hayward is missed. He is better than tatum and JB
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Post by fierce on Sept 17, 2020 21:16:58 GMT -5
I think it has to do more with personnel. That's why I wanted Ainge to give up draft picks for Bertans. The only way to break a Zone Defense is to have shooters. Celts don't have a real shooter. Tatum, Brown, Kemba, and Hayward are all scorers, not shooters. well not really. In my playing days we beat zone by players moving and moving the ball. True. But here's the thing, you can only move the ball so much. If you don't have a Center who can punish opposing players inside the paint then you'll end up going nowhere. That's what the Heat did with Adebayo, when the Celts were focusing on the shooters, they went inside because nobody on the Celts could stop Adebayo. Another way is if the Celts had someone like Bertans, the Heat would be forced to stick with him. So the Celts would most probably get more open looks inside. The Heat Zone only used 2 defenders inside the paint. Three Heat defenders were all above the FT line, that's why Butler got a lot of steals late in the game. Two Heat defenders in the low post and the Celts couldn't capitalize.
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Post by Cabutan on Sept 17, 2020 21:18:12 GMT -5
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Post by Cabutan on Sept 17, 2020 21:19:28 GMT -5
We should be 2 0 so i am still confident we can take these guys. One game at a time for 48mins
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Post by fierce on Sept 17, 2020 21:25:56 GMT -5
Pass and cut beats zones. Not 3s True. Pass and cut opens up shooters because when you pass and cut inside, the defenders are forced to collapse. When the defense collapses, the shooters get open. If the defensive team doesn't bite on cutters and stick with the shooters, the inside will open up for the cutters. The Zone Defense guards an area, not an opposing player. So yeah, passing and cutting opens up the inside and also the outside. It's just unfortunate the Celts don't have a Center better than Theis or a shooter who can make the Heat pay if they go Zone. In today's NBA, if you don't have a shooter, it's going to be difficult to win. What did the Lakers do after getting AD? They went and got Danny Green. I'm fine if the Celts didn't have a shooter like Bertans if the Celts had a guy like Capela. But the Celts just don't have both right now. No pure shooter and no Center for inside scoring. The Heat simply exploited the Celts' weaknesses.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 21:28:02 GMT -5
Time for the Celts to feel desperation, find a source of faith and just play. All is not lost yet.
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Post by elvissurfs on Sept 17, 2020 21:34:29 GMT -5
Well, that is a pretty heavy knowledgeable post...hard to argue with that... I think this is more on Ainge than Brad. Hard to blame the coach when Ainge didn't give him the complete set of tools. It's like giving a mechanic wrenches and pliers but no screw driver. Brad has multiple scorers, true, but he doesn't have that Korver, Bertans, or Herro to make the Zone pay. To be fair to Ainge also, the trade deadline was February and the Celts weren't really looking like they could make the east finals at that time. It was only in the bubble in August that the Celts started playing like champs because of the improved play of Jaylen Brown and the better defense from the Celts. So Ainge was playing the long game by not trading assets for the short-term. It's just unfortunate that the Celts are 4 games away from the Finals but they are lacking a shooter or shooters to counter the Zone. your logic is hard to dispute...give it a go Petey....
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Post by Admin on Sept 17, 2020 21:35:18 GMT -5
MOAR dissension in the locker room after the game just like after game 1 ... finger pointing isn't a cure and that means Brad is not playing the heavy and fixing problems. The reserved coach has an unreserved squad ... hmmm.
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