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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 10:38:34 GMT -5
I have confidence in Tatum, Brown, Kemba,and even Hayward's ability to hit the open 3. Of course, the entire bench cant shoot a lick from the outside. It doesn't help if Tatum, Brown, Kemba, and Hayward keep shooting with a defender in front of them. A guy like Drummond will open up the outside for the shooters. Right now the opposing teams just focus on guarding the Celts from the outside because they know the Celtic bigs are not scoring threats inside. Theis and GWill are just too small. Kanter would've been the solution, unfortunately he can't get a lot of minutes because he's so bad on defense.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 17, 2020 10:43:18 GMT -5
Game was lost in the first quarter. We outscored them by 11 the rest of the way!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 10:47:43 GMT -5
QUOTE FROM THE GREEK.
We were on cruise control the later part of the game.
We didn't want to embarrass Boston and we rested up the last half for our upcoming games.
I missed 10 of my 20 fts on purpose because Stevens is a nice guy. Nice and Dumb...
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Post by drewski6 on Jan 17, 2020 10:52:57 GMT -5
I have confidence in Tatum, Brown, Kemba,and even Hayward's ability to hit the open 3. Of course, the entire bench cant shoot a lick from the outside. It doesn't help if Tatum, Brown, Kemba, and Hayward keep shooting with a defender in front of them. A guy like Drummond will open up the outside for the shooters. Right now the opposing teams just focus on guarding the Celts from the outside because they know the Celtic bigs are not scoring threats inside. Theis and GWill are just too small. Kanter would've been the solution, unfortunately he can't get a lot of minutes because he's so bad on defense. I agree with your general premise but disagree on Drummond. I dont think he's the guy because he's an overrated defender himself.
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Post by drewski6 on Jan 17, 2020 10:54:11 GMT -5
This team is at their best when they are moving and attacking. Gets the defense scrambling to open someone up from the outside. Whether its Brown, Hayward, or Kemba driving and kicking it out, and then moving the ball around.
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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 10:54:34 GMT -5
Game was lost in the first quarter. We outscored them by 11 the rest of the way! Kemba scored 40 and we still lost. What happens when Kemba is off? This is the same as the 2017 season when Isaiah was an MVP candidate. If IT was scoring 30 or more, Celts were in the game, but if IT was off, it was an automatic loss for the Celts. Just look at all the 16 playoff teams right now. Not one single playoff team is using a 6-8 or 6-6 Center. Celts have an abundance of wing players, why not trade one for a desperately needed big man? Having a more balanced team is more important than having lots of wing power!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 17, 2020 10:54:38 GMT -5
It is funny to me, though, how we have NO bench scoring, and you guys are critiquing Brad's rotation patterns!! Who is supposed to put in, Fierce??
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 17, 2020 10:56:31 GMT -5
Game was lost in the first quarter. We outscored them by 11 the rest of the way! Kemba scored 40 and we still lost. What happens when Kemba is off? This is the same as the 2017 season when Isaiah was an MVP candidate. If IT was scoring 30 or more, Celts were in the game, but if IT was off, it was an automatic loss for the Celts. Just look at all the 16 playoff teams right now. Not one single playoff team is using a 6-8 or 6-6 Center. Celts have an abundance of wing players, why not trade one for a desperately needed big man? Having a more balanced team is more important than having lots of wing power! As I've said. We have four guys who can score. If one of them is out (Brown) and any of the other three has a bad game (Hayward), we will lose. Period!
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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 10:57:20 GMT -5
It doesn't help if Tatum, Brown, Kemba, and Hayward keep shooting with a defender in front of them. A guy like Drummond will open up the outside for the shooters. Right now the opposing teams just focus on guarding the Celts from the outside because they know the Celtic bigs are not scoring threats inside. Theis and GWill are just too small. Kanter would've been the solution, unfortunately he can't get a lot of minutes because he's so bad on defense. I agree with your general premise but disagree on Drummond. I dont think he's the guy because he's an overrated defender himself. Here's the thing, Drummond is so cheap right now. Even the Knicks are saying no to Drummond. The Hawks already nixed their offer for Drummond. Reason why Drummond's price is so low right now is because they know he's going to be a free-agent this summer. Going after other bigs will cost so much more. Right now the Celts don't even have to include the Memphis pick in a trade for Drummond. All the Celts have to do right now is just find a way to make salaries match. A 26-year old Drummond is worth the gamble because he's so cheap right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 10:58:41 GMT -5
It doesn't help if Tatum, Brown, Kemba, and Hayward keep shooting with a defender in front of them. A guy like Drummond will open up the outside for the shooters. Right now the opposing teams just focus on guarding the Celts from the outside because they know the Celtic bigs are not scoring threats inside. Theis and GWill are just too small. Kanter would've been the solution, unfortunately he can't get a lot of minutes because he's so bad on defense. I agree with your general premise but disagree on Drummond. I dont think he's the guy because he's an overrated defender himself. AGREE NO Drummond....
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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 10:59:25 GMT -5
This team is at their best when they are moving and attacking. Gets the defense scrambling to open someone up from the outside. Whether its Brown, Hayward, or Kemba driving and kicking it out, and then moving the ball around. That's the problem, all the NBA teams know that's what the Celts will do. The Celts are so predictable. No matter how many times you move the ball, opposing teams know the Celts will just end up shooting from the outside. So they just focus on defending the Celts from the outside. The Celts need an inside-outside game. That will make opposing teams guess. But right now the Celts are a one trick pony.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 17, 2020 10:59:44 GMT -5
QUOTE FROM THE GREEK. We were on cruise control the later part of the game. We didn't want to embarrass Boston and we rested up the last half for our upcoming games. I missed 10 of my 20 fts on purpose because Stevens is a nice guy. Nice and Dumb... LOL. I'm really going to try, just so you know, to understand your humor. This is pretty funny. I would caution you, though, about your whole "lying thing". Perhaps adding an LOL after a quote like this will give us all a clue....? Otherwise, you open yourself up to ......you know....."you're a mf liar".......just trying to help out....... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 11:01:43 GMT -5
Right now the Celts don't even have to include the Memphis pick in a trade for Drummond.
Memphis is in 8th place. The pick isn't worth jack shit as we speak... We don't have a lottery pick.
Who's been sayin this all year? Hairy Hillbilly...
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 17, 2020 11:01:46 GMT -5
It is funny to me, though, how we have NO bench scoring, and you guys are critiquing Brad's rotation patterns!! Who is supposed to put in, Fierce?? I don't know about Fierce, but Elvis says he's put in thousands of hours on the court!! And Dee can jump out of the gym!!
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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 11:02:03 GMT -5
Kemba scored 40 and we still lost. What happens when Kemba is off? This is the same as the 2017 season when Isaiah was an MVP candidate. If IT was scoring 30 or more, Celts were in the game, but if IT was off, it was an automatic loss for the Celts. Just look at all the 16 playoff teams right now. Not one single playoff team is using a 6-8 or 6-6 Center. Celts have an abundance of wing players, why not trade one for a desperately needed big man? Having a more balanced team is more important than having lots of wing power! As I've said. We have four guys who can score. If one of them is out (Brown) and any of the other three has a bad game (Hayward), we will lose. Period! And like I said, that's a recipe for disaster. Why? Because the Celts need all 4 guys to score or be hot every game. That's just not happening in the NBA. There will times when only 2 out of 4 will be cold and not shooting well. So that means it an automatic loss for the Celts? If that's the case then it's another 2nd round exit. Here's the thing, it's not like Ainge can't do anything about the problem. Ainge can sacrifice some wing power for an inside force. It's not like we're asking for Karl-Anthony Towns.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 11:03:33 GMT -5
QUOTE FROM THE GREEK. We were on cruise control the later part of the game. We didn't want to embarrass Boston and we rested up the last half for our upcoming games. I missed 10 of my 20 fts on purpose because Stevens is a nice guy. Nice and Dumb... LOL. I'm really going to try, just so you know, to understand your humor. This is pretty funny. I would caution you, though, about your whole "lying thing". Perhaps adding an LOL after a quote like this will give us all a clue....? Otherwise, you open yourself up to ......you know....."you're a mf liar".......just trying to help out....... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) ok fine I do need help. Can ya pick me up at LAX? I;ll buy lunch
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 11:06:10 GMT -5
It is funny to me, though, how we have NO bench scoring, and you guys are critiquing Brad's rotation patterns!! Who is supposed to put in, Fierce?? I don't know about Fierce, but Elvis says he's put in thousands of hours on the court!! And Dee can jump out of the gym!! 40 vertical up untill 89 or 90. Now just 28.. I have short and small arms that match the rest of my other body parts. Hands and...... well you know,,,,,,,,
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 17, 2020 11:09:28 GMT -5
I agree with your general premise but disagree on Drummond. I dont think he's the guy because he's an overrated defender himself. AGREE NO Drummond.... I usually agree with Fierce, but not this time!! Can't hit free throws, not much on defense!! What we need to do is trade Ainge for Jon Horst, the Bucks GM! Their bench could beat half the teams in the NBA!!
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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 11:12:38 GMT -5
I usually agree with Fierce, but not this time!! Can't hit free throws, not much on defense!! What we need to do is trade Ainge for Jon Horst, the Bucks GM! Their bench could beat half the teams in the NBA!! Right now Drummond is so cheap. He's still 26 years old. It's a gamble. To continue on this path, on relying solely on wing players, will just be another 2nd round playoff exit. Hayward for Drummond and Rose is not worth gambling? Brown is already looking like he's better than Hayward. So why not trade a luxury like Hayward for a need like Drummond?
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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 11:15:03 GMT -5
Getting Drummond doesn't mean the Celts will be losing Theis.
Just play Drummond when appropriate then let Theis get the rest of the minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 11:18:22 GMT -5
I usually agree with Fierce, but not this time!! Can't hit free throws, not much on defense!! What we need to do is trade Ainge for Jon Horst, the Bucks GM! Their bench could beat half the teams in the NBA!! Right now Drummond is so cheap. He's still 26 years old. It's a gamble. To continue on this path, on relying solely on wing players, will just be another 2nd round playoff exit. Hayward for Drummond and Rose is not worth gambling? Brown is already looking like he's better than Hayward. So why not trade a luxury like Hayward for a need like Drummond? When did the Pistons or any other team show any interest in Hayward.? . He's worthless in a trade. Give me a link son... He leaves when Brad leaves Brad talked Ainge into buying a Pig in a Poke. He never was a superstar like Pierce or Hondo ..
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 17, 2020 11:20:04 GMT -5
As I've said. We have four guys who can score. If one of them is out (Brown) and any of the other three has a bad game (Hayward), we will lose. Period! And like I said, that's a recipe for disaster. Why? Because the Celts need all 4 guys to score or be hot every game. That's just not happening in the NBA. There will times when only 2 out of 4 will be cold and not shooting well. So that means it an automatic loss for the Celts? If that's the case then it's another 2nd round exit. Here's the thing, it's not like Ainge can't do anything about the problem. Ainge can sacrifice some wing power for an inside force. It's not like we're asking for Karl-Anthony Towns. Disagree. We have proven we only need three. Last night we really only had one, plus Smart. We need bench scoring first, then upgrade at C or PF
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Post by fierce on Jan 17, 2020 11:35:08 GMT -5
And like I said, that's a recipe for disaster. Why? Because the Celts need all 4 guys to score or be hot every game. That's just not happening in the NBA. There will times when only 2 out of 4 will be cold and not shooting well. So that means it an automatic loss for the Celts? If that's the case then it's another 2nd round exit. Here's the thing, it's not like Ainge can't do anything about the problem. Ainge can sacrifice some wing power for an inside force. It's not like we're asking for Karl-Anthony Towns. Disagree. We have proven we only need three. Last night we really only had one, plus Smart. We need bench scoring first, then upgrade at C or PF You didn't notice that every playoffs Brad increases the minutes of the starters and lessens the minutes of the bench players? Check every decade where the Celts won a championship. There's not a decade where the Celts won a championship without a quality big man. You can also check the boxscores. When all 5 core players are healthy, only 3 out of the 5 usually have good games when all 5 are playing together. Celts need more balance. Losing one wing player for a quality big man makes the Celts an elite team.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 17, 2020 11:37:05 GMT -5
Right now the Celts don't even have to include the Memphis pick in a trade for Drummond. Memphis is in 8th place. The pick isn't worth jack shit as we speak... We don't have a lottery pick. Who's been sayin this all year? Hairy Hillbilly... Which means Valanciunas is off the table. Thompson is off the table. I'm not a Drummond guy, either. Fix the bench scoring first. Seems Romeo gets hurt when it's his turn. I have a girl on my team like that.........first year on Varsity. Wants to play. Can I get more time? Ok, you'll play a lot next game. Next game comes - Coach I'm a little sick today.............Romeo gets hurt, Semi is not the answer, GWill is a role player, Edwards has disappointed. We'd have to move someone to get Waters or Tacko up full time...........Semi or Green? I like Green, but he and Semi are redundant at this point. As is our entire bench, except Kanter.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 17, 2020 11:39:13 GMT -5
Disagree. We have proven we only need three. Last night we really only had one, plus Smart. We need bench scoring first, then upgrade at C or PF You didn't notice that every playoffs Brad increases the minutes of the starters and lessens the minutes of the bench players? Check every decade where the Celts won a championship. There's not a decade where the Celts won a championship without a quality big man. You can also check the boxscores. When all 5 core players are healthy, only 3 out of the 5 usually have good games when all 5 are playing together. Celts need more balance. Losing one wing player for a quality big man makes the Celts an elite team. Still not convinced Drummond moves the needle for us. I'm for getting Jamal Crawford and cutting Semi. See how that goes, then implement your idea.
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