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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 15:20:14 GMT -5
I'll just say, you talk about offense and I think about defense and rebounding. I'm biased towards that stuff. And yes, nobody played well last night. Brown had 2 good minutes. I understand. But the whole thing is a system. You can't have an offensive plan where all 5 guys crash the board. Because then, you will surely give up layups at the other end. Doc used to get criticized for not going for offensive rebounds. He preferred that the defense gets back and sets up. KG was a great big that did not post up. What made him greater was that he could quickly retreat from the top of the key and play free safety while the defense got set up.
I don't see the starters doing badly even though Kyrie is scoring. They have spacing, some predictability in when the shots are going up and they score. It is hard to run when you are inbounding the ball.
The bench does not have refined offensive execution, so they take shots from bad positions, miss them and the defense is not able to recover.
The weird thing is, Brown and Rozier are decent (not good) #4 and #5 in the starting rotation. But they are poor #7 and #8 with bench. Go figure.
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Post by cole on Feb 24, 2019 15:45:37 GMT -5
When smart had to go to the starters there just wasn't any playmaking left in the second unit. Yes Hayward is still smart, but he's not going to break anybody down.
At this point I think it's time to bench smart and put Brown back into the starting lineup.
I'm not saying we should offensive rebound, although the reason it worked for the old crew was they hit a lot of shots. I'm just waiting to see guys put a body on somebody when the ball goes up. To at least look around and see if somebody's crashing in.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 24, 2019 17:49:37 GMT -5
Embarrassment to the game of basketball
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Post by Admin on Feb 24, 2019 23:57:46 GMT -5
Just finished catching up. Quite a game by Lavine and Markkanen. Tracking the GameCast, I was wondering if Lavine was getting open shots because of bad defense. But no, he had quite a game. I just didn't get Rozier's game. Why take so many shots when you have no clue what is going on on the floor. Tatum and Rozier appeared mesmerized by the faster paced game. Jaylen Brown played clueless in the first half. A little better in the 2nd. The Celts just wern't reacting well once the pace picked up. I don't understand this Kyrie hate. Anyway, we see what we see.
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Post by Admin on Feb 25, 2019 0:02:59 GMT -5
I'm stuck in the middle here on these Refs. They are getting worse not better the past few years. Maybe the players are quicker to quick for their eyes . That is a poor excuse some are peddling IMO. I think Cole has a point but i think the driving force is Stevens style of play. We take a lot of threes and a lot of long two's hardly any inside game to speak of. Don't have numbers handy but it seems logical that most fouls are called in the paint or driving to the hoop. Were almost last in paint scoring .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 9:22:34 GMT -5
I'm stuck in the middle here on these Refs. They are getting worse not better the past few years. Maybe the players are quicker to quick for their eyes . That is a poor excuse some are peddling IMO. I think Cole has a point but i think the driving force is Stevens style of play. We take a lot of threes and a lot of long two's hardly any inside game to speak of. Don't have numbers handy but it seems logical that most fouls are called in the paint or driving to the hoop. Were almost last in paint scoring .
I just track the gamecast don't watch the Celtics. I do catch most of the Warriors games . Have season tickets WHT do i know. |
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Post by puddin on Feb 25, 2019 10:30:05 GMT -5
I just track the gamecast don't watch the Celtics. I do catch most of the Warriors games . Have season tickets WHT do i know. Peewee:
Are you suggesting that you don't watch Celtic games?
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Post by elvissurfs on Feb 25, 2019 11:05:16 GMT -5
I just track the gamecast don't watch the Celtics. I do catch most of the Warriors games . Have season tickets WHT do i know. you have season tix to the Warriors?...but live in Virginia/Nicaragua? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 11:17:13 GMT -5
I just track the gamecast don't watch the Celtics. I do catch most of the Warriors games . Have season tickets WHT do i know. you have season tix to the Warriors?...but live in Virginia/Nicaragua? Expecting an easy win. Will catch up tonight. Right now at Oracle Arena. Just finished catching up. Quite a game by Lavine and Markkanen. Tracking the GameCast, I was wondering if Lavine was getting open shots because of bad defense. But no, he had quite a game. No i was confused my BFF here loves the Dubs. I wouldn't attend a game there unless the Celtics were playing. Don't hedge on teams if the Celtics lose i lose don't have a second love. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 11:21:30 GMT -5
I just track the gamecast don't watch the Celtics. I do catch most of the Warriors games . Have season tickets WHT do i know. Peewee:
Are you suggesting that you don't watch Celtic games?
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No I'm suggesting we have a traitor here you know damn well i have four teams but only one city. Kraft is making this hard at the moment don't care about the girls so much but a friend of 45 ia no friend of mne. |
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Post by puddin on Feb 25, 2019 11:33:27 GMT -5
Peewee:
Are you suggesting that you don't watch Celtic games?
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No I'm suggesting we have a traitor here you know damn well i have four teams but only one city. Kraft is making this hard at the moment don't care about the girls so much but a friend of 45 ia no friend of mne. The reason I asked was that you were ripping the refs for their calls at the end of the Bucks game this past week... and I was convinced that you and I were watching different games... or perhaps one of us wasn't watching the game at all but was maybe only reading box scores.
OK.... I guess.
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Post by elvissurfs on Feb 25, 2019 11:47:29 GMT -5
you have season tix to the Warriors?...but live in Virginia/Nicaragua? Expecting an easy win. Will catch up tonight. Right now at Oracle Arena. Just finished catching up. Quite a game by Lavine and Markkanen. Tracking the GameCast, I was wondering if Lavine was getting open shots because of bad defense. But no, he had quite a game. No i was confused my BFF here loves the Dubs. I wouldn't attend a game there unless the Celtics were playing. Don't hedge on teams if the Celtics lose i lose don't have a second love. yeah, can only get stoked about the big four Boston teams as well - I have lived elsewhere a bunch so I sort of root for the local teams, cool when the locals get stoked on their team...got sucked into the Montana/Young years with the Niners back in the day, Pats were not very happening at the time...and my son who was born up there is an avid Dubs fan, traitor would root for a SF team over Boston...of course there is no hoops in SD, or football...guess we have a baseball team here, sort of...minor league hockey in the Gulls...$2 beers on Friday night games... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 13:07:57 GMT -5
No I'm suggesting we have a traitor here you know damn well i have four teams but only one city. Kraft is making this hard at the moment don't care about the girls so much but a friend of 45 ia no friend of mne. The reason I asked was that you were ripping the refs for their calls at the end of the Bucks game this past week... and I was convinced that you and I were watching different games... or perhaps one of us wasn't watching the game at all but was maybe only reading box scores.
OK.... I guess.
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I was ripping the refs in general. Not once did i say anything about the Bucks game or any other game. Cole has a point about the bad refs. My opinion they have costs the Celtics few if any losses this year. Clear now? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 13:14:10 GMT -5
Expecting an easy win. Will catch up tonight. Right now at Oracle Arena. Just finished catching up. Quite a game by Lavine and Markkanen. Tracking the GameCast, I was wondering if Lavine was getting open shots because of bad defense. But no, he had quite a game. No i was confused my BFF here loves the Dubs. I wouldn't attend a game there unless the Celtics were playing. Don't hedge on teams if the Celtics lose i lose don't have a second love. yeah, can only get stoked about the big four Boston teams as well - I have lived elsewhere a bunch so I sort of root for the local teams, cool when the locals get stoked on their team...got sucked into the Montana/Young years with the Niners back in the day, Pats were not very happening at the time...and my son who was born up there is an avid Dubs fan, traitor would root for a SF team over Boston...of course there is no hoops in SD, or football...guess we have a baseball team here, sort of...minor league hockey in the Gulls...$2 beers on Friday night games... Personally i care less about who supports who. You can't be at a Dubs game and not watch the Celtics and make comments that La Vine just had a good game and the defense on him was solid. More than one PG has torched us ths year. My only question is why Smart or Stevens can't stop them Irving isnt noted for his D but Smart is. If Smart can't provide D then why in the hell is he playing he can't score. |
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 25, 2019 15:34:21 GMT -5
yeah, can only get stoked about the big four Boston teams as well - I have lived elsewhere a bunch so I sort of root for the local teams, cool when the locals get stoked on their team...got sucked into the Montana/Young years with the Niners back in the day, Pats were not very happening at the time...and my son who was born up there is an avid Dubs fan, traitor would root for a SF team over Boston...of course there is no hoops in SD, or football...guess we have a baseball team here, sort of...minor league hockey in the Gulls...$2 beers on Friday night games... Personally i care less about who supports who. You can't be at a Dubs game and not watch the Celtics and make comments that La Vine just had a good game and the defense on him was solid. More than one PG has torched us ths year. My only question is why Smart or Stevens can't stop them Irving isnt noted for his D but Smart is. If Smart can't provide D then why in the hell is he playing he can't score. our players switch so much no one actually has a man to stay with! We both know Smart can't guard quick or very athletic players!! I think Stevens coached those type players at Butler, and can'help is self from playing him!! |
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Post by cole on Feb 25, 2019 15:43:07 GMT -5
The reason I asked was that you were ripping the refs for their calls at the end of the Bucks game this past week... and I was convinced that you and I were watching different games... or perhaps one of us wasn't watching the game at all but was maybe only reading box scores.
OK.... I guess.
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I was ripping the refs in general. Not once did i say anything about the Bucks game or any other game. Cole has a point about the bad refs. My opinion they have costs the Celtics few if any losses this year. Clear now? I thought maybe he confused us |
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Post by puddin on Feb 25, 2019 16:02:17 GMT -5
The reason I asked was that you were ripping the refs for their calls at the end of the Bucks game this past week... and I was convinced that you and I were watching different games... or perhaps one of us wasn't watching the game at all but was maybe only reading box scores.
OK.... I guess.
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I was ripping the refs in general. Not once did i say anything about the Bucks game or any other game. Cole has a point about the bad refs. My opinion they have costs the Celtics few if any losses this year. Clear now?Not clear yet.....
I'll see if I can retrieve the comments that had me scratching my head.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 16:44:37 GMT -5
I was ripping the refs in general. Not once did i say anything about the Bucks game or any other game. Cole has a point about the bad refs. My opinion they have costs the Celtics few if any losses this year. Clear now?Not clear yet.....
I'll see if I can retrieve the comments that had me scratching my head.
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Oh lord ya goona dig up some of my dirty past. Heck i talk here so much i forget what i say. Have the biggest mouth award locked up again. Nitty Gritty. I think the refs favor certain players not convinced either way on teams I seen this every day during the Jordon area and the Celics were on the losing side with that battle. Do i think the NBA tells the refs to target teams? No i think that is unlikely. Do they inform rookie refs that certain players bring in more money and hype to the NBA. It's all about the money Pud not right and wrong Maybe the refs can't talk they have been forced signed a non discloser and whats the leaders name? Silver Not his real name picked up along the line for their occupation . Jesus said. Take out the money changers. Well they took him out is my opinion. Thin ice here i know just my opinion. You started the Jesus talk Pud i just might have ended it. |
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Post by puddin on Feb 25, 2019 16:50:50 GMT -5
I was ripping the refs in general. Not once did i say anything about the Bucks game or any other game. Cole has a point about the bad refs. My opinion they have costs the Celtics few if any losses this year. Clear now?Not clear yet.....
I'll see if I can retrieve the comments that had me scratching my head.
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C's never shouldve had the ball at the end of the game. The freak was driving and had the ball roll off a bostons players leg but the ref called it off of the Freak instead. Bucks couldve run out the clock and the game wouldve been over!
Two calls or no calls that were wrong against te Bucks.
I'm getting a little tired of . It's the refs fault. The NBA favors certain players have for decades.
I would call these ^^^comments you made as ripping the ref.... particularly the first comment.
I thought the ref had the call right to start off with.
Boston ball!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 16:59:23 GMT -5
Not clear yet.....
I'll see if I can retrieve the comments that had me scratching my head.
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C's never shouldve had the ball at the end of the game. The freak was driving and had the ball roll off a bostons players leg but the ref called it off of the Freak instead. Bucks couldve run out the clock and the game wouldve been over!
Two calls or no calls that were wrong against te Bucks.
I'm getting a little tired of . It's the refs fault. The NBA favors certain players have for decades.
I would call these ^^^comments you made as ripping the ref.... particularly the first comment.
I thought the ref had the call right to start off with.
Boston ball!
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Yep all mine. I was actually arguing with Cole and Dr B and trying to be nice. They were sayin the Celtics got all the bad calls. I was just pointing out the calls were bad both ways. Bad eyes? The replay clearly showed the ball going off Horfords legs the announcers said as much. Maybe its my fault for not being clear but that was what i meant. Bad refs it what i see for the most part. Oh and they do favor certain players no one has argured otherwise the past 40 years. |
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Post by puddin on Feb 25, 2019 17:18:50 GMT -5
C's never shouldve had the ball at the end of the game. The freak was driving and had the ball roll off a bostons players leg but the ref called it off of the Freak instead. Bucks couldve run out the clock and the game wouldve been over!
Two calls or no calls that were wrong against te Bucks.
I'm getting a little tired of . It's the refs fault. The NBA favors certain players have for decades.
I would call these ^^^comments you made as ripping the ref.... particularly the first comment.
I thought the ref had the call right to start off with.
Boston ball!
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Yep all mine. I was actually arguing with Cole and Dr B and trying to be nice. They were sayin the Celtics got all the bad calls. I was just pointing out the calls were bad both ways. Bad eyes? The replay clearly showed the ball going off Horfords legs the announcers said as much. Maybe its my fault for not being clear but that was what i meant. Bad refs it what i see for the most part. Oh and they do favor certain players no one has argured otherwise the past 40 years. At what point did the ball go off of Horford's leg that you said should have been the Buck's ball?
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Post by puddin on Feb 25, 2019 17:53:52 GMT -5
Yep all mine. I was actually arguing with Cole and Dr B and trying to be nice. They were sayin the Celtics got all the bad calls. I was just pointing out the calls were bad both ways. Bad eyes? The replay clearly showed the ball going off Horfords legs the announcers said as much. Maybe its my fault for not being clear but that was what i meant. Bad refs it what i see for the most part. Oh and they do favor certain players no one has argured otherwise the past 40 years. At what point did the ball go off of Horford's leg that you said should have been the Buck's ball?
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Peewee... at the 4Q 2:20 mark, this is the Play by Play action: Giannis Antetokounmpo with a turnover: Lost Ball
I have to believe that this is the play you are referring to.
This was the only Buck TO recorded during the last 5 minutes of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 17:57:17 GMT -5
Very late i the 4th Pud i don't remember the exact times and i didn't record it. Called it off the Greak.
Both announcers agreed it went off Horford and the NBA admitted 4 missed calls but not this one.
What i'm more curious about is the NBA now praticing damage control. Looks like they know they on on the hot seat usually only politicians use this approach.
Just to be fair
Can the fans and players start voting for Commissioners and Refs? I'm not a commie conspirator but i smell something.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 18:00:40 GMT -5
At what point did the ball go off of Horford's leg that you said should have been the Buck's ball?
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Peewee... at the 4Q 2:20 mark, this is the Play by Play action: Giannis Antetokounmpo with a turnover: Lost Ball
I have to believe that this is the play you are referring to.
This was the only Buck TO recorded during the last 5 minutes of the game.
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That is it don't have the replay handy but the camera under the basket caught it. They showed it after the call clearly off Horford was what the announcers and I seen. My eyes are bad but i don't think the three of us was wrong. |
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Post by puddin on Feb 25, 2019 18:05:09 GMT -5
Very late i the 4th Pud i don't remember the exact times and i didn't record it. Calledit off the Greak. Both announcers agreed it went off Horford and the NBA admitted 4 missed calls but not this one. What i'm more curious about is the NBA now praticing damage control. Looks like they know they on on the hot seat usually only politicians use this approach. Just to be fair Can the fans and players start voting for Commissioners and Refs? I'm not a commie conspirator but i smell something. So at the 2:20 mark, you claimed (see below) that the ball should have been awarded to the Bucks and that they should have been able to run out the clock if the correct call had been made.
You posted: "C's never shouldve had the ball at the end of the game. The freak was driving and had the ball roll off a bostons players leg but the ref called it off of the Freak instead. Bucks couldve run out the clock and the game wouldve been over!"
That was at the 2:20 mark!
That's what made me scratch my head about whether or not you were watching the same game that I was.
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