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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jun 24, 2016 13:09:34 GMT -5
Sorry to start a new, generic thread- but now that the dust from the draft has settled, I'm interested to hear some post-draft Free Agency ideas:
For example, one of my favorite free agents to target this summer was Derozan. But after picking Jaylen Brown AND failing to complete a trade with any of our guards (names like Bradley and Smart), I don't think Derozan will consider us. I doubt he wants to join a team with a logjam in their backcourt.
Also, after failing to acquire any rim protection (Zizic doesn't count if he plays overseas next year), you'd imagine we'd be entertaining everyone from Horford and Whiteside down to Noah and Howard.
We also failed to draft any shooters. Shooting was arguably our biggest need and DA responded by selecting arguably one of the draft's worst shooters, Jaylen Brown..but I digress. So entertaining names like Batum certainly makes sense.
The problem is despite the gaping hole in our front court, DA just doesn't chase rim protectors. He didn't last summer, so I don't see why he'd do so now, even if his post-season remarks about 'big' plans suggests that he will.
I think that if the C's are going to get any new players this summer, we need to pray for a good trade. Maybe Philly will still workout a deal with us for one of their bigs. Perhaps Sacramento, with their new logjam, will make room for Papagiannis (NOT playing overseas next year) and trade us WCS?
At any rate, I doubt free agency is going to save us from another mediocre season.
But there's still hope for some quality trades.
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Post by Employee8 on Jun 24, 2016 13:41:12 GMT -5
Sorry to start a new, generic thread- but now that the dust from the draft has settled, I'm interested to hear some post-draft Free Agency ideas:
For example, one of my favorite free agents to target this summer was Derozan. But after picking Jaylen Brown AND failing to complete a trade with any of our guards (names like Bradley and Smart), I don't think Derozan will consider us. I doubt he wants to join a team with a logjam in their backcourt.
Also, after failing to acquire any rim protection (Zizic doesn't count if he plays overseas next year), you'd imagine we'd be entertaining everyone from Horford and Whiteside down to Noah and Howard.
We also failed to draft any shooters. Shooting was arguably our biggest need and DA responded by selecting arguably one of the draft's worst shooters, Jaylen Brown..but I digress. So entertaining names like Batum certainly makes sense.
The problem is despite the gaping hole in our front court, DA just doesn't chase rim protectors. He didn't last summer, so I don't see why he'd do so now, even if his post-season remarks about 'big' plans suggests that he will.
I think that if the C's are going to get any new players this summer, we need to pray for a good trade. Maybe Philly will still workout a deal with us for one of their bigs. Perhaps Sacramento, with their new logjam, will make room for Papagiannis (NOT playing overseas next year) and trade us WCS?
At any rate, I doubt free agency is going to save us from another mediocre season.
But there's still hope for some quality trades.
Yes, I too think we will be in the market for a big ... FA or maybe the draft disgusted, big congested Kings opt to trade Boogie after all ... at least we still have the cap space to react. Shooters are out there ... OKC just got Oladipo and have Waiters on QO and Morrow on TO ... they can't keep everyone. I've lobbied for Morrow in the past and once again, he's a sharp shooting SG being paid $3.5MM ... we may be able to trade for him and we'd solve one problem cheaper than a top 5 draft pick. Batum would be great and a drawing card to other FA's as well. |
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Post by Employee8 on Jun 24, 2016 13:42:13 GMT -5
PS: It's your forum so start as many threads as you'd like ... if it gets too messy, I'll clean it up.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2016 15:50:45 GMT -5
Exactly - SAC now has Cousins, Stein and Koufas...........all better than any C we have.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 16:09:44 GMT -5
Exactly - SAC now has Cousins, Stein and Koufas...........all better than any C we have. Yea and they drafted the big greek and Scal i can see a trade with them . I would take Stein and or Scal if Cousins stays which he probably will. He did voice discontent with Sac's pick last night on twitter. Grtting rid of Karl did little to silence him it seems. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 16:37:23 GMT -5
I don't think that the Celts are trading Nets picks. They will play in free agency. If they get a big bite, they will make a long term commitment. I am all for Dwight Howard. Otherwise, they can offer a Amir Johnson like deal to Noah. 2 year with team option after 1. He is coming off of shoulder surgery. He will be better than Johnson. There is something about Whiteside that bothers me. Not his talent but his motivation. We don't want a Mark Blount or Andrew Bynum on the Celts.
They should keep their flexibility. Next year, if they have cap room, they should stand a good chance of signing Hayward. Perhaps others as well. Then, there is KD. Wonder what he is thinking about this Ibaka trade? Wonder what he is thinking about playing alongside Westbrook?
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2016 17:41:21 GMT -5
I don't think that the Celts are trading Nets picks. They will play in free agency. If they get a big bite, they will make a long term commitment. I am all for Dwight Howard. Otherwise, they can offer a Amir Johnson like deal to Noah. 2 year with team option after 1. He is coming off of shoulder surgery. He will be better than Johnson. There is something about Whiteside that bothers me. Not his talent but his motivation. We don't want a Mark Blount or Andrew Bynum on the Celts. They should keep their flexibility. Next year, if they have cap room, they should stand a good chance of signing Hayward. Perhaps others as well. Then, there is KD. Wonder what he is thinking about this Ibaka trade? Wonder what he is thinking about playing alongside Westbrook? I think KD stays in OKC now......almost definitely. I'm with you on Whiteside. Something just off there, like JaVale McGee. It will probably take more than a 1 yr 12 mill deal to get Noah. I would like to trade with SAC, or go after Howard or Ezili. Perhaps the Big Croatian will be the guy! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 17:53:56 GMT -5
I don't think that the Celts are trading Nets picks. They will play in free agency. If they get a big bite, they will make a long term commitment. I am all for Dwight Howard. Otherwise, they can offer a Amir Johnson like deal to Noah. 2 year with team option after 1. He is coming off of shoulder surgery. He will be better than Johnson. There is something about Whiteside that bothers me. Not his talent but his motivation. We don't want a Mark Blount or Andrew Bynum on the Celts. They should keep their flexibility. Next year, if they have cap room, they should stand a good chance of signing Hayward. Perhaps others as well. Then, there is KD. Wonder what he is thinking about this Ibaka trade? Wonder what he is thinking about playing alongside Westbrook? I think KD stays in OKC now......almost definitely. I'm with you on Whiteside. Something just off there, like JaVale McGee. It will probably take more than a 1 yr 12 mill deal to get Noah. I would like to trade with SAC, or go after Howard or Ezili. Perhaps the Big Croatian will be the guy! But why 1-year 12M? 2-year with team option for 2nd at 15M or 16M per year. The point is, you may overpay a little for 1-year. But that is OK. If he outperforms his contract, keep him. You have a better pitch for free agents next year. If not, let him go and look to fill more holes next year. However, in the mean time, both help each other grow: Celts help Noah build his reputation and Noah enables Celts to improve their stature as a team. Of-course, this is the fall back plan. I would like them to sign a quality 5 to long term contract so that there is stability and continuity. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 24, 2016 19:26:33 GMT -5
I think KD stays in OKC now......almost definitely. I'm with you on Whiteside. Something just off there, like JaVale McGee. It will probably take more than a 1 yr 12 mill deal to get Noah. I would like to trade with SAC, or go after Howard or Ezili. Perhaps the Big Croatian will be the guy! But why 1-year 12M? 2-year with team option for 2nd at 15M or 16M per year. The point is, you may overpay a little for 1-year. But that is OK. If he outperforms his contract, keep him. You have a better pitch for free agents next year. If not, let him go and look to fill more holes next year. However, in the mean time, both help each other grow: Celts help Noah build his reputation and Noah enables Celts to improve their stature as a team. Of-course, this is the fall back plan. I would like them to sign a quality 5 to long term contract so that there is stability and continuity. Derrick Rose is now in NY. Derrick Rose wants Noah. Therefore, it will take more than 12 mill to get him, even for a year. |
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Post by fisher on Jun 25, 2016 5:51:06 GMT -5
Of the players that don't like D Rose, is Noah one of them and won't want to go where he is??
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 25, 2016 8:01:59 GMT -5
I am sure there are many top free agents that can't wait til they can sign on with the Celtics. I mean one and done playoff teams, with no star players that just had a draft that most think is...what?.....gets their juices flowing. And Boston is always one of the first places high end Free agents want to play at!
Almost EVERY TEAM has cap space this year.
LOL....lots of fans will be shaking theirs heads I guess , when Ainge is smiling standing next to Turner and Sully after signing both to deals in the $12-15M range.
Ainge will say ..."look we won 48 games last year and we needed to sign our own players back......we had no dance partners for "fireworks" and I like our team anyway........Brown will be great....yada.yada.yada..... and after all we had to get up to that cap minimum somehow anyway"
"in Danny we trust"
LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 8:07:01 GMT -5
Of the players that don't like D Rose, is Noah one of them and won't want to go where he is?? Reports are Rose wants Noah in NY. That's fine with me i can;t see him leading us deep in the playoffs even if he stays healthy which is unlikely. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 25, 2016 10:46:09 GMT -5
Ainge will NOT say we had to resign our own players, and what's wrong with Turner?
He will NOT overpay for the fat guy, not now, and especially if Bentil shows anything in SL.
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Post by raider3524 on Jun 25, 2016 12:51:56 GMT -5
Sorry to start a new, generic thread- but now that the dust from the draft has settled, I'm interested to hear some post-draft Free Agency ideas:
For example, one of my favorite free agents to target this summer was Derozan. But after picking Jaylen Brown AND failing to complete a trade with any of our guards (names like Bradley and Smart), I don't think Derozan will consider us. I doubt he wants to join a team with a logjam in their backcourt.
Also, after failing to acquire any rim protection (Zizic doesn't count if he plays overseas next year), you'd imagine we'd be entertaining everyone from Horford and Whiteside down to Noah and Howard.
We also failed to draft any shooters. Shooting was arguably our biggest need and DA responded by selecting arguably one of the draft's worst shooters, Jaylen Brown..but I digress. So entertaining names like Batum certainly makes sense.
The problem is despite the gaping hole in our front court, DA just doesn't chase rim protectors. He didn't last summer, so I don't see why he'd do so now, even if his post-season remarks about 'big' plans suggests that he will.
I think that if the C's are going to get any new players this summer, we need to pray for a good trade. Maybe Philly will still workout a deal with us for one of their bigs. Perhaps Sacramento, with their new logjam, will make room for Papagiannis (NOT playing overseas next year) and trade us WCS?
At any rate, I doubt free agency is going to save us from another mediocre season.
But there's still hope for some quality trades.
i really wanted papgiannis...i was like WHAT? they took him that high? i was like damnit! LOL |
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Post by raider3524 on Jun 25, 2016 12:55:19 GMT -5
Ainge will NOT say we had to resign our own players, and what's wrong with Turner? He will NOT overpay for the fat guy, not now, and especially if Bentil shows anything in SL. even if we don't sign any MAX players...we still have a lot of money to spred out to get a couple of very good players that can help us for a couple of years...we can do a lot of things starting on the 1st...i can't wait...AND I LOVE THE BROWN PICK! |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 25, 2016 13:05:18 GMT -5
Sorry to start a new, generic thread- but now that the dust from the draft has settled, I'm interested to hear some post-draft Free Agency ideas:
For example, one of my favorite free agents to target this summer was Derozan. But after picking Jaylen Brown AND failing to complete a trade with any of our guards (names like Bradley and Smart), I don't think Derozan will consider us. I doubt he wants to join a team with a logjam in their backcourt.
Also, after failing to acquire any rim protection (Zizic doesn't count if he plays overseas next year), you'd imagine we'd be entertaining everyone from Horford and Whiteside down to Noah and Howard.
We also failed to draft any shooters. Shooting was arguably our biggest need and DA responded by selecting arguably one of the draft's worst shooters, Jaylen Brown..but I digress. So entertaining names like Batum certainly makes sense.
The problem is despite the gaping hole in our front court, DA just doesn't chase rim protectors. He didn't last summer, so I don't see why he'd do so now, even if his post-season remarks about 'big' plans suggests that he will.
I think that if the C's are going to get any new players this summer, we need to pray for a good trade. Maybe Philly will still workout a deal with us for one of their bigs. Perhaps Sacramento, with their new logjam, will make room for Papagiannis (NOT playing overseas next year) and trade us WCS?
At any rate, I doubt free agency is going to save us from another mediocre season.
But there's still hope for some quality trades.
i really wanted papgiannis...i was like WHAT? they took him that high? i was like damnit! LOL Think we can get either Middleton or Monroe, or both? |
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Post by raider3524 on Jun 25, 2016 13:26:25 GMT -5
i really wanted papgiannis...i was like WHAT? they took him that high? i was like damnit! LOL Think we can get either Middleton or Monroe, or both? i don't think so...monroe maybe but amier johnson would have to be going in that trade so the money could be close...i think johnson might be gone anyway..it all depends what free agent says yes to ainge 1st...i think he wants to get the 1st guy fast so he can deal with johnsons contract by the 3rd. |
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Post by mellymel6 on Jun 25, 2016 16:33:10 GMT -5
Exactly - SAC now has Cousins, Stein and Koufas...........all better than any C we have. Oh?! We have a center?! Who Knew?! |
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Jun 27, 2016 21:33:07 GMT -5
Regarding the desire for Boston to add a new 'big' this summer, my thoughts are that it's pretty much ALL or NOTHING.
It's no secret that we're about to go all in on Durant. And I agree with everyone who believes that Durant and Horford are a package deal, hence the reason why he's considering us. The point of my post is that IF Durant decides not to play in Boston this summer, I expect DA to do nothing in terms of acquiring a different FA big man (names like Noah, Howard, Pau Gasol, Whiteside, Pachulia, Ezeli, or Biyombo)
I think HORFORD winds up on the same team as Durant (And I also think that we're more likely to land Durant than LAC, SAS, or MIA. But I can't imagine him not resigning with OKC where I think Horford will claim Ibaka's old parking space.)
I wouldn't expect a couple of divas like Howard or Whiteside to consider playing with us, and I'm not sure Stevens would mind that at all either.
And once the big names have all signed, I think DA will pick up Amir Johnson's option. I mean, why wouldn't we? Amir played great last season, he appeared in 79 games, and he was a good veteran leader.
*Going to back to the draft, it would've been nice if we took Hammons over Jackson at #45. But while everyone's mimicking GSW's formula for small-ball, they're defiantly choosing a 7-footer with their lone 1st round pick.
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Post by Employee8 on Jun 27, 2016 21:52:04 GMT -5
Regarding the desire for Boston to add a new 'big' this summer, my thoughts are that it's pretty much ALL or NOTHING. It's no secret that we're about to go all in on Durant. And I agree with everyone who believes that Durant and Horford are a package deal, hence the reason why he's considering us. The point of my post is that IF Durant decides not to play in Boston this summer, I expect DA to do nothing in terms of acquiring a different FA big man (names like Noah, Howard, Pau Gasol, Whiteside, Pachulia, Ezeli, or Biyombo) I think HORFORD winds up on the same team as Durant (And I also think that we're more likely to land Durant than LAC, SAS, or MIA. But I can't imagine him not resigning with OKC where I think Horford will claim Ibaka's old parking space.) I wouldn't expect a couple of divas like Howard or Whiteside to consider playing with us, and I'm not sure Stevens would mind that at all either. And once the big names have all signed, I think DA will pick up Amir Johnson's option. I mean, why wouldn't we? Amir played great last season, he appeared in 79 games, and he was a good veteran leader. * Going to back to the draft, it would've been nice if we took Hammons over Jackson at #45. But while everyone's mimicking GSW's formula for small-ball, they're defiantly choosing a 7-footer with their lone 1st round pick.Actually, it was their lone pick in the entire draft ... more telling isn't it? But as I said, it was a draft that afforded the opportunity to shore up your bigs and Dallas didn't lose the opportunity ... even if Jackson was there at #46 they may have still taken Hammons and rightfully so. |
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 28, 2016 8:31:21 GMT -5
I think the "small ball" mantra is over hyped with GS myself.
if you look at their roster and who they play, they play more standard NBA positions than anything.
last year:
Bogut-1451 min (7-0 tall)
Speights- 832 (6-10)
Ezeli- 770 (6-11)
Varejao- 186 (6-10)
that's a total of 3239 min out of 3976 last year with a REAL NBA center on the floor.
PF:
Green- 2808 (6-7 undersized)
McAdoo- 262 (6-9)
Thompson- 179 (6-11)
That's 3249 out of 3976 with NBA PF's on the floor.
SF:
barnes- 2042 ( 6-8)
Iguodala- 1732 (6-6)
The year before:
Bogut- 1583
Speights- 1207
Ezeli- 504
total of 3294 Minutes with a legit Center on the floor
Green- 2490
Lee- 904
McAdoo- 137
Total of 3531 minutes with a legit PF on the floor
so HOW exactly had GS been playing some new type of NBA game with no big men?
sorry the numbers say they play a standard NBA position type game more than not.
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Post by mellymel6 on Jun 28, 2016 9:19:50 GMT -5
The C's do not value the "5" position....judge them by what they do, not by what they say....if you use this guideline, you easily come to the conclusion that they lack the ability to select decent centers or even acquire them through trades. The people they have signed from overseas so far have been awful, especially compared to the relative success other teams have hade with bigmen from other countries. Let's face it, "5's" are to DA as wide receivers are to Bill Belichick.They just can't pick em'
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Post by thejuice on Jun 28, 2016 9:52:08 GMT -5
The C's do not value the "5" position....judge them by what they do, not by what they say....if you use this guideline, you easily come to the conclusion that they lack the ability to select decent centers or even acquire them through trades. The people they have signed from overseas so far have been awful, especially compared to the relative success other teams have hade with bigmen from other countries. Let's face it, "5's" are to DA as wide receivers are to Bill Belichick.They just can't pick em' Agreed. They need to start though. You don't need a old school back to the basket offensive threat anymore, but a strong defensive, rim protecting rebounder is a massive need these days. It's why noel would be perfect here! |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 28, 2016 18:22:17 GMT -5
I'm not 100% certain that Howard is even a diva anymore. Sometimes, people grow up. I wouldnt mind Howard on a 2 yr deal. I dont think he's a savior or anything, but I do think that he covers a need and will provide a veteran presence. You could do worse for a plan C.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 28, 2016 18:22:58 GMT -5
I'd rather bring in Howard on a 2 yr max w an opt out after one then keep Amir.
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