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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Apr 29, 2016 10:01:46 GMT -5
Here are the Celtics grades based on all six games of their series with the Hawks. Like you, I was disappointed. Poor shooting seems to be our biggest weakness. Guys like Brandon Ingram or Jamal Murray just can’t get here fast enough..here we go:
IT2 = B. His 42-point performance in game 3 raises his average from what should’ve been a C. Anyone else as sick and tired as I am, of watching Isaiah stop and take pull-up 3-pointers in transition? 90% of the time he misses them, and 90% of the time he wastes what should’ve been an easy lay-up.
Turner = C. By now, Turner should realize that he’s not a capable 3-point shooter. When Turner shoots a 3, his form resembles a 4th grader heaving a shot from half-court. During this series, Turner had no handle on the ball, either. I closed my eyes every time he tried to spin his way into the paint. And crying to the officials every time he thought he was fouled became a common sight, a sight in Atlanta’s rearview mirror, as the Hawks raced back and beat us in transition while Turner often stood still and complained to the refs.
Crowder = C. Who cares how good you are on defense if you can’t hit an open shot to save your life? Crowder’s inability to hit a wide open shot often set the tone for us during a few forgettable 1st quarters. If he’s our starting SF next season, teams are going to start going RONDO on him, and let him take all the shots he wants. This could become a major problem for the rest of our offense.
Jerebko = C. Good energy and hustle. Good defense. But when we desperately needed someone to start making shots, Jerebko wasn’t the answer. Sure, I know he had his moments, I realize he did hit a few big shots- but they just didn’t happen often enough. Jerebko is not a shooter that we can rely on.
Amir Johnson = B+. Although I still don’t think we got our money’s worth from him, he did elevate his game from the regular season. He provided a rim-protecting presence, he scored when he got the opportunity, and his defense was solid. Since the C’s were usually playing from behind, Stevens went small, and Johnson’s minutes decreased…which is a shame, I thought Amir was playing really well.
Smart = B+. Smart began the series playing really poorly, and like IT2, he had one great game to raise his average. There’s no doubt about it, the C’s played their best when Smart was on the court. But Smart’s poor shooting in games 1 and 2 is the reason he doesn’t get an A. Like Amir, Smart elevated his game for the post-season. Smart’s versatility on defense and passing/play-making on offense was the reason why we didn’t get swept.
Olynyk = D. I want to give Kelley an F, but with his shoulder injury, I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt. He was completely useless during his brief stints on the floor. If you’re that injured, or if you’re feeling that uncomfortable, please do us a favor and stay on the bench.
Sully = F. Until this series, Sully was one of my favorite Celtics. However, it looks like he gained 10 or 15 pounds right before this series started. He was so slow!! Sully didn’t do anything well- he could hardly even jump.
Rozier = B. Terry, despite zero experience, stepped up and became an important contributor. Terry totally diffused Dennis Schroeder, which was certainly very pleasing to our home fans. Terry played conservatively, didn’t commit too many turnovers, while managing to take care of his rare scoring opportunities, a lot like Amir did. Rozier would’ve got a higher grade here had he been more aggressive on offense. When the C’s were desperate for scoring, it would have been nice to see Terry attack the basket more often..although, to Terry’s credit, I’m sure that’s not what Stevens was asking him to do. Hunter = F. Hunter got his chance and he blew it. Like Sully, he did nothing well. Had Hunter even earned a C right here, the C’s may have advance to the second round. No one expected Hunter to play defense even half as well as Avery Bradley, but the pressure was on him to make some baskets. Hunter was so bad that he struggled just to take a shot, let alone making one. Hunter’s release was too slow, his defense was too slow, and mentally he was nowhere near being ready. Enjoy playing in Maine next season with James Young.
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 29, 2016 12:48:16 GMT -5
This is a good assesment. I would have given Jerebko a B. He really played well. He played better than he did in the regular season.
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Post by Employee8 on Apr 29, 2016 13:04:16 GMT -5
Yup, Jerebko was one of the few out there playing his ass off ... a solid B
Turner has his flaws but he was one of most dependable players ... B-
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Apr 29, 2016 13:37:15 GMT -5
B? Wow, wish I had YOU for a teacher. In terms of playing his ass off, last night he started at PF and played 33 minutes, yet managed only ONE measly (defensive) rebound. His plus/minus was -24!!
Of course, I could care less about his hustle stats. DA didn't bring him in for his rebounding. Jerebko is supposed to be a good shooter, and by averaging 1 made 3-pointer per game, I think a C is more than generous.
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Post by Admin on Apr 29, 2016 13:46:46 GMT -5
B? Wow, wish I had YOU for a teacher. In terms of playing his ass off, last night he started at PF and played 33 minutes, yet managed only ONE measly (defensive) rebound. His plus/minus was -24!! Of course, I could care less about his hustle stats. DA didn't bring him in for his rebounding. Jerebko is supposed to be a good shooter, and by averaging 1 made 3-pointer per game, I think a C is more than generous. That was last night (a team disaster) but for the series?
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 29, 2016 13:48:21 GMT -5
B? Wow, wish I had YOU for a teacher. In terms of playing his ass off, last night he started at PF and played 33 minutes, yet managed only ONE measly (defensive) rebound. His plus/minus was -24!! Of course, I could care less about his hustle stats. DA didn't bring him in for his rebounding. Jerebko is supposed to be a good shooter, and by averaging 1 made 3-pointer per game, I think a C is more than generous. That was last night (a team disaster) but for the series? Exactly. Who wasnt a disaster last night?
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 29, 2016 14:07:58 GMT -5
Disagree with Thomas and Jerebko. Jonas gets a B from me, he saved us in the first game we won. IT has to get an A, as our only good player for 6 games. STRONGLY disagree he misses "90%" of his transition 3's...that's just not true.
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Post by drewski6 on Apr 29, 2016 14:34:32 GMT -5
IT : A- : You are faulting him for things that arent his fault. Like Tommy repeatedly point out last night, his teammates were doing him no favors by standing on the other side of the court when he drove. One of them needs to drive to the net with him, so when the D collapses on him, he has someone under the basket. The other 3, one needs to be behind him for a reset. One at the top for a swing/shot. It seemed like they didnt do this well. I cant give him the full A because of D. Also because of game 5.
Turner: B-. You have to give Turner some blame for repeatedly letting Bazemore get hot. But I disagree re: the handle. The spinning moves could have been more crisp, but they were effective. It seemed like he was the most effective Celtic at finding his shot. The problem was he missed too many easy shots.
Crowder: Agree with your C. Potentially a C- for continuing to shoot when his shot has been off all series. At some point, he needed to stop shooting.
Jerebko: The surprise of the series. B. B+ in some games. I think he made his 5M/team option a no brainer with his play in this series. He's really our only big that I want to keep. The rest can go. I hope we get 2 new bigs and Jerebko is the first big off hte bench next year. This was a breakout series.
Amir: B-/C+. I dont disagree with you. Wasnt a high volume scorer but made the most of his opportunites. Good D. Reason I cant give full B is because for now and for the rest of his career, he needs his minutes severely managed. If he was capable of playing like he did for 30, then your B would be accurate. But he's not capable of that.
Smart: B/B-. He makes a couple shots, he goes all shot happy. His handle is just okay. He's not a true PG. Inconsistent shooter. D/energy were there. Effective sixth man w energy / D off the bench. But his offense comes and goes.
Rozier: B-. Flashed potential, played good D. Couple of lousy turnovers though and needs to move more without the basketball. Also, scoring could still improve. Kid is getting better day by day though. I think he's worked his way into the PG conversation for next year.
Oly/Sully/RJ : F. Trash. All of them. Even RJ. Get rid of em all.
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Post by kyceltic on Apr 29, 2016 16:43:21 GMT -5
Disagree with Thomas and Jerebko. Jonas gets a B from me, he saved us in the first game we won. IT has to get an A, as our only good player for 6 games. STRONGLY disagree he misses "90%" of his transition 3's...that's just not true. And I strongly Agree with this statement!!
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Post by cgreensmashmachine on Apr 29, 2016 16:47:21 GMT -5
Game 6 was Jerebko's second most productive game of the series? I just don't get how some of you are giving him a B just for having a pulse. Gawd our front-court is awful!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 20:39:22 GMT -5
Might move Turner up a notch. If Thomas would learn to pass the ball inside instead of back out two the three line with 5 second we wouldn't see those desperation threes he takes. IT SUCKS AS A PG
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Post by Employee8 on May 1, 2016 15:10:42 GMT -5
espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4723025/celtics-coach-brad-stevens-wants-evan-turner-back-in-greenTurner emerged as an invaluable Swiss Army knife that coach Brad Stevens could rely on in myriad roles. Turner might have even been the team's MVP during the 2014-15 campaign (even if it was Isaiah Thomas' midseason arrival that ultimately boosted Boston into the playoffs).
The Celtics wouldn't have been nearly as successful this past season without Turner's presence. The 27-year-old swingman averaged 10.5 points, 4.9 rebounds, and 4.4 assists during the 2015-16 season. He spent most of the season in a reserve role and finished fifth in the voting for Sixth Man of the Year. Turner eventually elevated to a starting role in the postseason -- helping Boston produce its two playoff wins -- while providing balanced contributions.
Stevens has expressed a sincere fondness for Turner and the flexibility he affords with his skill set. Turner gives his teams an extra ball-handler, a skilled scorer who can create off the dribble, and has improved his defense to where Stevens could trust him against most bigger guards or smaller forwards.
"I can’t imagine anybody being more valuable off the bench than Evan," said Stevens. "He’s been extremely valuable. He guards three positions a night, sometimes four positions. Obviously we have him with the ball all the time. He’s just had a great year and really impacted us in the last two years."
Turner struggled mightily with his 3-point shot before the All-Star break this season (shooting 14.5 percent and often joking about those woes) then was one of the most efficient shooters in the league beyond the arc after the break while shooting 52.4 percent (largely while sticking to his corner sweetspot and limiting his attempts).
The Celtics had a defensive rating of 100 with Turner on the floor, the best mark on the team of the seven Celtics players who logged at least 1,400 minutes. In the postseason, Turner held the Hawks to 32.4 percent shooting in six playoff games (24 of 74). Even during the regular season, his opponents shot just 42.4 percent, or 1.2 percent below their season average, according to the NBA's player-tracking data.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 15:27:04 GMT -5
espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4723025/celtics-coach-brad-stevens-wants-evan-turner-back-in-greenTurner emerged as an invaluable Swiss Army knife that coach Brad Stevens could rely on in myriad roles. Turner might have even been the team's MVP during the 2014-15 campaign (even if it was Isaiah Thomas' midseason arrival that ultimately boosted Boston into the playoffs).
The Celtics wouldn't have been nearly as successful this past season without Turner's presence. The 27-year-old swingman averaged 10.5 points, 4.9 rebounds, and 4.4 assists during the 2015-16 season. He spent most of the season in a reserve role and finished fifth in the voting for Sixth Man of the Year. Turner eventually elevated to a starting role in the postseason -- helping Boston produce its two playoff wins -- while providing balanced contributions.
Stevens has expressed a sincere fondness for Turner and the flexibility he affords with his skill set. Turner gives his teams an extra ball-handler, a skilled scorer who can create off the dribble, and has improved his defense to where Stevens could trust him against most bigger guards or smaller forwards.
"I can’t imagine anybody being more valuable off the bench than Evan," said Stevens. "He’s been extremely valuable. He guards three positions a night, sometimes four positions. Obviously we have him with the ball all the time. He’s just had a great year and really impacted us in the last two years."
Turner struggled mightily with his 3-point shot before the All-Star break this season (shooting 14.5 percent and often joking about those woes) then was one of the most efficient shooters in the league beyond the arc after the break while shooting 52.4 percent (largely while sticking to his corner sweetspot and limiting his attempts).
The Celtics had a defensive rating of 100 with Turner on the floor, the best mark on the team of the seven Celtics players who logged at least 1,400 minutes. In the postseason, Turner held the Hawks to 32.4 percent shooting in six playoff games (24 of 74). Even during the regular season, his opponents shot just 42.4 percent, or 1.2 percent below their season average, according to the NBA's player-tracking data.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 15:32:30 GMT -5
That's the Turner i seen in the later part of the season and the playoffs. I can't imagine finding a player to play three positions better than him.
He stepped in as PG after Thomas's failure at being a floor general . He's said money wasn't the most important thing and he would like to stay. What's not to like about this guy?
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 1, 2016 17:58:43 GMT -5
I agree with bringing Turner back on Crowder-like, team-friendly contract. IT should come off the bench - with Turner and Crowder. Keep Jerebko. Give QO's to Sully and Zeller - but let them go if they get big offers. I might actually consider going after Jordan Clarkson, depending on trades and draft picks.
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Post by drboogiebone on May 2, 2016 7:47:42 GMT -5
espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4723025/celtics-coach-brad-stevens-wants-evan-turner-back-in-greenTurner emerged as an invaluable Swiss Army knife that coach Brad Stevens could rely on in myriad roles. Turner might have even been the team's MVP during the 2014-15 campaign (even if it was Isaiah Thomas' midseason arrival that ultimately boosted Boston into the playoffs).
The Celtics wouldn't have been nearly as successful this past season without Turner's presence. The 27-year-old swingman averaged 10.5 points, 4.9 rebounds, and 4.4 assists during the 2015-16 season. He spent most of the season in a reserve role and finished fifth in the voting for Sixth Man of the Year. Turner eventually elevated to a starting role in the postseason -- helping Boston produce its two playoff wins -- while providing balanced contributions.
Stevens has expressed a sincere fondness for Turner and the flexibility he affords with his skill set. Turner gives his teams an extra ball-handler, a skilled scorer who can create off the dribble, and has improved his defense to where Stevens could trust him against most bigger guards or smaller forwards.
"I can’t imagine anybody being more valuable off the bench than Evan," said Stevens. "He’s been extremely valuable. He guards three positions a night, sometimes four positions. Obviously we have him with the ball all the time. He’s just had a great year and really impacted us in the last two years."
Turner struggled mightily with his 3-point shot before the All-Star break this season (shooting 14.5 percent and often joking about those woes) then was one of the most efficient shooters in the league beyond the arc after the break while shooting 52.4 percent (largely while sticking to his corner sweetspot and limiting his attempts).
The Celtics had a defensive rating of 100 with Turner on the floor, the best mark on the team of the seven Celtics players who logged at least 1,400 minutes. In the postseason, Turner held the Hawks to 32.4 percent shooting in six playoff games (24 of 74). Even during the regular season, his opponents shot just 42.4 percent, or 1.2 percent below their season average, according to the NBA's player-tracking data.
I gave Turner a lot of flack over the season for his turnovers. But he did improve, and can create his own shot. I'd try to retain his services as long as the price is right.
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