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Post by dfries13 on Apr 11, 2018 10:30:24 GMT -5
July or August Petey ''Ruth's Chris'''' or your choice i won't miss ya this time,
Petey is smart . Some others. Not so much.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 11, 2018 10:40:19 GMT -5
hedley, I think playing the kids is a good thing. But I think coaching them is where we're falling short. I think BS has his priorities wrong as it relates to the success of the team. Our CURRENT reliance on the kids TOO MUCH has caused us to lose the value and contributions of others. Horford, for one, should become a primary scorer in addition to his rebounding and assist production. He's got to be relied upon to pick his game up. Rozier, in his 3rd year, should get it enough to be able to consistently provide efficient, level play off the bench or as a starter for Kyrie. He's been around long enough and there should be better, more level play from Rozier. Adding focus on getting the ball in Morris's or Monroe's hands where they can be more effective is where coaching these guys comes in. Or maybe this is BS's thinking..........that w're not going anywhere so why get these guys invested. Who else are we going to rely on? We are NOT going anywhere this year, that's why I referenced next year. For the love of God, the problem with this team is NOT THE COACHING........I expected better from you! |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 11, 2018 10:52:08 GMT -5
Boston Celtics - 2017 - 2018 - AVERAGE age 25.1
Kyrie is 25, Brown 21, Tatum 20, Hayward 28, Morris 28, Theis 25, Rozier 24 - need I go on?
We've been relying on "kids" all year, and have finished second in the Division with a complete turnover of players. We are missing arguably our two best players heading into the playoffs.
We are not winning this year, everyone knows it. Teams are actually losing (or winning) to try to play us.
Stevens has done a masterful job this year with all the injuries. Don't understand why everyone is freaking out about losing a couple of meaningless games.
Some posters on here (not Petey, btw) are hypocrites in saying that Stevens is an idiot for not playing the kids and stunting the growth. Now, he IS playing them, and we are losing.............so that makes him a bad coach.
Make up your minds, for Chrissakes!
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 11, 2018 10:53:47 GMT -5
hedley, I think playing the kids is a good thing. But I think coaching them is where we're falling short. I think BS has his priorities wrong as it relates to the success of the team. Our CURRENT reliance on the kids TOO MUCH has caused us to lose the value and contributions of others. Horford, for one, should become a primary scorer in addition to his rebounding and assist production. He's got to be relied upon to pick his game up. Rozier, in his 3rd year, should get it enough to be able to consistently provide efficient, level play off the bench or as a starter for Kyrie. He's been around long enough and there should be better, more level play from Rozier. Adding focus on getting the ball in Morris's or Monroe's hands where they can be more effective is where coaching these guys comes in. Or maybe this is BS's thinking..........that w're not going anywhere so why get these guys invested. Who else are we going to rely on? We are NOT going anywhere this year, that's why I referenced next year. For the love of God, the problem with this team is NOT THE COACHING........I expected better from you! you know, i think you are right although i would say to some degree is not the coaches fault. At the end of the day, the fault is on the team and the coach. We shouldn't have lost against the hawks but we did. The wizards are as inconsistent as many of the lesser teams. We should be able to beat them. Ever since we got Monroe, i thought it was going to take us over the hump and beat the wizards easily by 5-6 points. I was wrong. But i can tell you that BS has enough in monroe, horford and baynes to beat the wiz. I dont think he has not used them wisely against the Wiz. I dont like Brooks but honestly, i think he always outcoaches Brad Stevens. I really do. Same with Buddenholzer he always outcoaches Stevens. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 11, 2018 11:35:11 GMT -5
Who else are we going to rely on? We are NOT going anywhere this year, that's why I referenced next year. For the love of God, the problem with this team is NOT THE COACHING........I expected better from you! you know, i think you are right although i would say to some degree is not the coaches fault. At the end of the day, the fault is on the team and the coach. We shouldn't have lost against the hawks but we did. The wizards are as inconsistent as many of the lesser teams. We should be able to beat them. Ever since we got Monroe, i thought it was going to take us over the hump and beat the wizards easily by 5-6 points. I was wrong. But i can tell you that BS has enough in monroe, horford and baynes to beat the wiz. I dont think he has not used them wisely. I dont like Brooks but honestly, i think he always outcoaches Brad Stevens. I really do. Same with Buddenholzer he always outcoaches Stevens. I don't understand. We are in second place in the Division. When Kyrie went down, we won 6 in a row. When Wall went down the Wiz went into the toilet. When we won those 6 games in a row, and 16 in a row at the beginning of the season, was that the players, and now it's the coach? Can't have it both ways. And, didn't we beat the Wiz last year? With IT as the PG? How did he get out-coached? As for the Hawks - we are 3-1 against them this year. The one loss was the last one. When we lose a close game with Gibson, Larkin and Nader on the floor, clearly he didn't care about the outcome - and we still almost won. We could have put Brown, Rozier and Tatum back in if it meant anything, and we probably would have won then. Out coached? NOPE! |
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Post by dfries13 on Apr 11, 2018 11:38:51 GMT -5
Ill end the confusion right now.
We are playing the young guys and experiencing growing pains. Fact
Stevens is not doing a great job at developing players. FACT
He has one more year then Ainge will throw him under the Bus to save his own ass. Fact
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Post by dfries13 on Apr 11, 2018 11:41:56 GMT -5
The Wizards beat the Bucks on Tuesday to increase their record to 10-3 since Wall had surgery.
They went downhill due to extra playing time to make up for Wall's absence after the first 13 games.
Hedley again shows he can't tell the whole truth. Fact
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Post by dfries13 on Apr 11, 2018 11:42:33 GMT -5
Your on block Hedley with Prakash.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 11, 2018 11:50:11 GMT -5
Ill end the confusion right now. We are playing the young guys and experiencing growing pains. Fact Stevens is not doing a great job at developing players. FACT He has one more year then Ainge will throw him under the Bus to save his own ass. Fact One is right. Two and three are total bullshit - FACT |
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 11, 2018 11:50:48 GMT -5
you know, i think you are right although i would say to some degree is not the coaches fault. At the end of the day, the fault is on the team and the coach. We shouldn't have lost against the hawks but we did. The wizards are as inconsistent as many of the lesser teams. We should be able to beat them. Ever since we got Monroe, i thought it was going to take us over the hump and beat the wizards easily by 5-6 points. I was wrong. But i can tell you that BS has enough in monroe, horford and baynes to beat the wiz. I dont think he has not used them wisely. I dont like Brooks but honestly, i think he always outcoaches Brad Stevens. I really do. Same with Buddenholzer he always outcoaches Stevens. I don't understand. We are in second place in the Division. When Kyrie went down, we won 6 in a row. When Wall went down the Wiz went into the toilet. When we won those 6 games in a row, and 16 in a row at the beginning of the season, was that the players, and now it's the coach? Can't have it both ways. And, didn't we beat the Wiz last year? With IT as the PG? How did he get out-coached? As for the Hawks - we are 3-1 against them this year. The one loss was the last one. When we lose a close game with Gibson, Larkin and Nader on the floor, clearly he didn't care about the outcome - and we still almost won. We could have put Brown, Rozier and Tatum back in if it meant anything, and we probably would have won then. Out coached? NOPE! So the way you are saying this is that is nobodys fault? it is just one of those things that we were destined to lose? I believe in accountability. I dont think any player in the league feels that they should have lost. Not a single player. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 11, 2018 12:10:20 GMT -5
The Wizards beat the Bucks on Tuesday to increase their record to 10-3 since Wall had surgery. They went downhill due to extra playing time to make up for Wall's absence after the first 13 games. Hedley again shows he can't tell the whole truth. Fact Wall came back on April 1 against the Hornets. Went he went down, they were fifth in the East. Now they are 8th - FACT They are 3-7 in the last 10 games, with a playoff spot on the line - FACT The Wiz played the Bucks last on Feb 27 - FACT Since then, with the playoffs on the line, they have gone 7-13 - FACT Or, right into the toilet. Meanwhile, THE POINT IS - when Kyrie went down we won 6 in a row. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 11, 2018 12:11:31 GMT -5
Your on block Hedley with Prakash. Can't agree with you every time. If you can't take that, then I should have been on block long ago. You're wrong about Stevens..............nice truce while it lasted. And, as usual, it's YOU that ended it!! |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 11, 2018 12:13:21 GMT -5
I don't understand. We are in second place in the Division. When Kyrie went down, we won 6 in a row. When Wall went down the Wiz went into the toilet. When we won those 6 games in a row, and 16 in a row at the beginning of the season, was that the players, and now it's the coach? Can't have it both ways. And, didn't we beat the Wiz last year? With IT as the PG? How did he get out-coached? As for the Hawks - we are 3-1 against them this year. The one loss was the last one. When we lose a close game with Gibson, Larkin and Nader on the floor, clearly he didn't care about the outcome - and we still almost won. We could have put Brown, Rozier and Tatum back in if it meant anything, and we probably would have won then. Out coached? NOPE! So the way you are saying this is that is nobodys fault? it is just one of those things that we were destined to lose? I believe in accountability. I dont think any player in the league feels that they should have lost. Not a single player. Not at all. I'm saying you can't praise the players when they win, and critique the coach when they lose. Everyone shares in the praise and the blame........except on this forum. When we win, it's the players, and we lose, it's Brad. Sorry, I don't feel that way. |
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Post by petey62 on Apr 11, 2018 12:15:29 GMT -5
hedley, I think playing the kids is a good thing. But I think coaching them is where we're falling short. I think BS has his priorities wrong as it relates to the success of the team. Our CURRENT reliance on the kids TOO MUCH has caused us to lose the value and contributions of others. Horford, for one, should become a primary scorer in addition to his rebounding and assist production. He's got to be relied upon to pick his game up. Rozier, in his 3rd year, should get it enough to be able to consistently provide efficient, level play off the bench or as a starter for Kyrie. He's been around long enough and there should be better, more level play from Rozier. Adding focus on getting the ball in Morris's or Monroe's hands where they can be more effective is where coaching these guys comes in. Or maybe this is BS's thinking..........that w're not going anywhere so why get these guys invested. Who else are we going to rely on? We are NOT going anywhere this year, that's why I referenced next year. For the love of God, the problem with this team is NOT THE COACHING........I expected better from you! hedley, I think you're misinterpreting what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying the problem with the Celtics is coaching. There are many root causes for the problems with the Celtics, in my opinion. The first significant root cause has been the injuries. Another root cause, in my opinion, has been the heavy reliance on guys not capable of carrying the burden asked of them (to me that's coaching). Another root cause, in my opinion, is the failure of our vets to lead, namely Horford. The season starts and everything is bright and everyone has his role. We lose Hayward in the first game. In my opinion, my expectation or message to certain players is that " your role has expanded and I now need more production from you". That message would seem to be directed more towards Irving, Horford, Morris, Smart and Rozier before I sit that on the lap of Brown and, especially, Tatum. The Celtics needed everyone to raise their games but the veterans, who have been there, more so. I believe Brown and Tatum raised whatever "currently in construction" games they have better than anyone on the team. Rozier comes right behind them. I honestly don't see the same in many of our vets. I believe Coach Stevens should have placed greater emphasis and demand on Horford, Smart, Morris and Rozier to step up their production, be much better and more consistent. To me, it seems that Rozier has tried to step up his game all season but he's still very inconsistent at times. I think Smart tried too but this season just has been a challenge for him. Morris had a nice, maybe, 10 game stretch. And Horford has not increased his production one bit throughout the season. And now that Kyrie is down, you STILL DON'T SEE any vet outside of Morris trying to be more aggressive. Again, with Kyrie, Smart and Hayward out, Al Horford should NEVER take less than 14 shots in any game. You can see the fatigue in Brown and especially Tatum and their inability to finish at the rim. Again, Brown scores 21 points in the 1st quarter but only 27 for the game. He's supposed to have 50. This team should be getting twice the production we're getting from the likes of Horford, Baynes, Monroe and Morris. |
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Post by petey62 on Apr 11, 2018 12:15:57 GMT -5
July or August Petey ''Ruth's Chris'''' or your choice i won't miss ya this time, Petey is smart . Some others. Not so much. Let's do August. Tyson's Corner.... |
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 11, 2018 12:34:35 GMT -5
So the way you are saying this is that is nobodys fault? it is just one of those things that we were destined to lose? I believe in accountability. I dont think any player in the league feels that they should have lost. Not a single player. Not at all. I'm saying you can't praise the players when they win, and critique the coach when they lose. Everyone shares in the praise and the blame........except on this forum. When we win, it's the players, and we lose, it's Brad. Sorry, I don't feel that way. easy champion, dont take it so personal. I personally do critique both. Perhaps out of anger, frustration or also by what I see? anyways. I have followed BS since Butler, love the coach..but as a coach, he is not flawless my any means. At the same time, during this stint, I am sure he will comeback with adjustments. One of his flaws though, he cant seem to adhoc tweak his strategy during a game. And I stand by that. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 11, 2018 12:59:10 GMT -5
Not at all. I'm saying you can't praise the players when they win, and critique the coach when they lose. Everyone shares in the praise and the blame........except on this forum. When we win, it's the players, and we lose, it's Brad. Sorry, I don't feel that way. easy champion, dont take it so personal. I personally do critique both. Perhaps out of anger, frustration or also by what I see? anyways. I have followed BS since Butler, love the coach..but as a coach, he is not flawless my any means. At the same time, during this stint, I am sure he will comeback with adjustments. One of his flaws though, he cant seem to adhoc tweak his strategy during a game. And I stand by that. Yes, well my rant wasn't directed at you. |
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 11, 2018 13:05:06 GMT -5
changing topics, great story about Andre Ingram. Nice to see stuff like that.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 11, 2018 13:08:51 GMT -5
Who else are we going to rely on? We are NOT going anywhere this year, that's why I referenced next year. For the love of God, the problem with this team is NOT THE COACHING........I expected better from you! hedley, I think you're misinterpreting what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying the problem with the Celtics is coaching. There are many root causes for the problems with the Celtics, in my opinion. The first significant root cause has been the injuries. Another root cause, in my opinion, has been the heavy reliance on guys not capable of carrying the burden asked of them (to me that's coaching). Another root cause, in my opinion, is the failure of our vets to lead, namely Horford. The season starts and everything is bright and everyone has his role. We lose Hayward in the first game. In my opinion, my expectation or message to certain players is that " your role has expanded and I now need more production from you". That message would seem to be directed more towards Irving, Horford, Morris, Smart and Rozier before I sit that on the lap of Brown and, especially, Tatum. The Celtics needed everyone to raise their games but the veterans, who have been there, more so. I believe Brown and Tatum raised whatever "currently in construction" games they have better than anyone on the team. Rozier comes right behind them. I honestly don't see the same in many of our vets. I believe Coach Stevens should have placed greater emphasis and demand on Horford, Smart, Morris and Rozier to step up their production, be much better and more consistent. To me, it seems that Rozier has tried to step up his game all season but he's still very inconsistent at times. I think Smart tried too but this season just has been a challenge for him. Morris had a nice, maybe, 10 game stretch. And Horford has not increased his production one bit throughout the season. And now that Kyrie is down, you STILL DON'T SEE any vet outside of Morris trying to be more aggressive. Again, with Kyrie, Smart and Hayward out, Al Horford should NEVER take less than 14 shots in any game. You can see the fatigue in Brown and especially Tatum and their inability to finish at the rim. Again, Brown scores 21 points in the 1st quarter but only 27 for the game. He's supposed to have 50. This team should be getting twice the production we're getting from the likes of Horford, Baynes, Monroe and Morris. Thanks for the clarification. I think Morris and Rozier have both exceeded my personal expectations for the year. As for Brown and Tatum, I fail to see any negative at all in the way they have stepped up. That will certainly help us next year when we DO go for it all. Baynes is what he is. He is having career highs in PPG, REB and assists this year. I think he has stepped it up. I also think it's "good" coaching to not have him try to do more than he is capable of. The addition of Monroe gives us all we need at that spot. I know you've been on Horford now for two years, but he's been and All-Star both years, and he can and will step up when we need him, I'm confident of that. Let's not forget, we just came off a 6 game winning streak. He averages about 14 in wins, and about 12 in losses. He is, again, who he is. I'm very happy with him, but I know some fans aren't. That what life is all about. |
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Post by petey62 on Apr 11, 2018 13:34:02 GMT -5
See, we disagree on Horford. And, I'm sorry, I factor in his salary. Horford made the All Star team because there just was nobody else available to make it. But his production is not that much different from Bobby Portis (CHI), Serge Ibaka (TOR) or even Aaron Gordon (ORL). It would not have been a second thought had Ben Simmons was selected instead of Horford. None! But had Kevin Love NOT been injured, it was his spot. Horford is a borderline all star player and I disagree that he steps up when we need him. That is my issue with him.
When we need him to step up, he takes only 10 shots and scores 12 points with 7 boards and 5 assists. Stepping up is giving me 24 points and 12 rebounds, which, in my opinion he's capable of giving us on a more frequent basis (not every night). Horford COULD be a consistent 17 pts 9 rebs a night player.
Again, our two best players are gone and you might expect him to be a tad bit more aggressive. Jaylen Brown has been. Morris has been. Rozier has tried with mixed results. Horford, nope, same ole, same ole with him. Actually, his numbers HAVE GONE DOWN when they should have been going up to even better compliment the work Brown and Tatum have been doing. If he, among others, had, in fact, increased his numbers, we might be looking at a number one seed and not a two.
But you are right, I have been riding Horford for awhile. I'm just not impressed...........for the money. I did not like him in Atlanta - thought he was the worst screen-setter in the NBA. But I'm not jaded by that thinking. I don't think I am.
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Post by kyceltic on Apr 11, 2018 13:50:06 GMT -5
What other coach could lose his two best players, and have a rookie and a second year player become the best players on the team, and still win 54 games? Oh and there were plenty other injuries along the way! Stevens in my opinion, is the best coach in the league! Pop lost one guy and could barely make the playoffs!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 11, 2018 14:21:39 GMT -5
What other coach could lose his two best players, and have a rookie and a second year player become the best players on the team, and still win 54 games? Oh and there were plenty other injuries along the way! Stevens in my opinion, is the best coach in the league! Pop lost one guy and could barely make the playoffs! It's one guy, and only one guy saying it........and he's wrong. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Apr 11, 2018 14:33:56 GMT -5
See, we disagree on Horford. And, I'm sorry, I factor in his salary. Horford made the All Star team because there just was nobody else available to make it. But his production is not that much different from Bobby Portis (CHI), Serge Ibaka (TOR) or even Aaron Gordon (ORL). It would not have been a second thought had Ben Simmons was selected instead of Horford. None! But had Kevin Love NOT been injured, it was his spot. Horford is a borderline all star player and I disagree that he steps up when we need him. That is my issue with him. When we need him to step up, he takes only 10 shots and scores 12 points with 7 boards and 5 assists. Stepping up is giving me 24 points and 12 rebounds, which, in my opinion he's capable of giving us on a more frequent basis (not every night). Horford COULD be a consistent 17 pts 9 rebs a night player. Again, our two best players are gone and you might expect him to be a tad bit more aggressive. Jaylen Brown has been. Morris has been. Rozier has tried with mixed results. Horford, nope, same ole, same ole with him. Actually, his numbers HAVE GONE DOWN when they should have been going up to even better compliment the work Brown and Tatum have been doing. If he, among others, had, in fact, increased his numbers, we might be looking at a number one seed and not a two. But you are right, I have been riding Horford for awhile. I'm just not impressed...........for the money. I did not like him in Atlanta - thought he was the worst screen-setter in the NBA. But I'm not jaded by that thinking. I don't think I am. I get that and I respect that. For me, I do not factor in the money. He was going to get a max deal from us, or from ATL. That's the market. Very few people are "worth" the money. Look at Kawhi. He played in a total of 9 games this year, and they're probably going to offer him the "supermax" after the season is over................ Al is our anchor on defense. He is not a shot blocker, but he is well above average on defense. |
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Post by cole on Apr 11, 2018 15:21:37 GMT -5
And he fits our scheme of switching perimeter over shot blocking.
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Post by sfbosfan on Apr 11, 2018 15:24:54 GMT -5
We have missed our 2nd best player, Hayward, and now numero uno Irving for playoffs. My mentioning now the Warriors have nothing to do with the Celtics and this forum but there is alarm among the GS fans as the team has gone 7-10 last 17 games and lost last night by 40 to Utah. Keep in ming we have had 1 Allstar, Irving, and a 1/2 one, Horford. Like Petey I am not in love with him. Should be giving us 15-20 pts per night and 10-15 rebs. The Warriors have 4 Allstars, Curry, Durant, Thompson & Green and, yes, maybe 2 of the 4 at different times have been hurt lately but there is a big fear if Curry is not healthy, they will not repeat. Personally, I think Houston is the team to beat.
I would match our non-Allstar team, minus Irving & Horford, against the Warriors without any of their 4. I think Rozier, Tatum & Brown are better than any of their team without the stars. We’ll never know but even if we had Irving, I don’t know if we’d made the finals. We may not even get the Cavs to thrash us again as they have done the past 2 years in the playoffs 8-1. Hoping we, at least, get to the 2nd round that if knocked out, I will get some satisfaction if Cleveland does too same as I do if Sox lose and Yankees lose too. Got to need Rozier, Tatum, Brown to ave 15-20 pts and get 10-15 each from Horford, Morris & Monroe. And hope Smart if back for 2nd round if we play Cleveland to even foul out but to stop LeBron as much as possible. Being maligned a bit by some, I am in the camp of the coach has done a good job with what he has had !!!
GO SOX & BRUINS TOO !!!
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