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Post by Admin on Jan 22, 2018 0:10:23 GMT -5
Well despite my critique i expect us to take the east. We need a big that can score in the paint. The Cav's need a large replacement crew. We have a much better shot at picking up a FA that will help. The only way the Cav's can pull it off is get Walker and trade Thomas Then sign one big,. All of this happening isn't likely and Jordon want that Blk pick. I say pick up a big and tell Smart and Rozier to shoot less and we take the east. Stevens will have to make some adjustments i think he's capable . that would be Moose Monroe ... |
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Post by dfries13 on Jan 22, 2018 10:25:20 GMT -5
That would be fine with me.
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Post by petey62 on Jan 22, 2018 10:33:41 GMT -5
I don't see it. THIS TEAM, as currently constructed, will not win the east. One could easily say we hit our peak during our sixteen game winning streak. It's hard to believe we'll hit a second peak in this season, especially knowing that "heavily-relied-on" guys like Tatum and Brown just aren't yet built for an 82 game NBA season. Call it a "funk", but we're seeing their inconsistent performances now and we're not at the All-Star break yet.
And Al Horford's numbers are regressing. He's just become too passive in the paint. He seeks to pass way too much when he should be looking to score. I've never seen a big have a little guy right at the basket but throw the ball out to the 3-point line. Something is wrong when he's oftentimes satisfied with nights like yesterday with 9 points on 11 shots.
We KNOW Cleveland has the ability to turn it on when the playoffs start as long as they have Lebron (and let's not dismiss Toronto, Washington or Milwaukee). We just aren't sure about this Celtics team. In my opinion, we lack the offensive firepower and that's going to work heavily against us come playoff time. We experienced that last season, especially against Washington when we went into these long scoring droughts.
We have to make some changes and BS needs to better clarify the roles of some players (Smart, for one). And I think Rozier is just not good enough or smart enough to be more consistent.
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 22, 2018 10:42:35 GMT -5
Well despite my critique i expect us to take the east. We need a big that can score in the paint. The Cav's need a large replacement crew. We have a much better shot at picking up a FA that will help. The only way the Cav's can pull it off is get Walker and trade Thomas Then sign one big,. All of this happening isn't likely and Jordon want that Blk pick. I say pick up a big and tell Smart and Rozier to shoot less and we take the east. Stevens will have to make some adjustments i think he's capable . that would be Moose Monroe ... agree, we need Monroe! |
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 22, 2018 10:55:58 GMT -5
If I were ainge, I would see what I could get for Brown. He's not a two guard, I think Tatum is more a three than a four, and he's a much better player then Brown! Our biggest needs are a big who can score, and a two guard who can shoot!!
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Post by dfries13 on Jan 22, 2018 11:09:36 GMT -5
Well you have a point Tatum is more of a three than a four. I really like Brown and we need to start keeping our draft picks and try not to have such a big turnover.
Smart and or Rozier will be the first two gone is my guess.
We have way to many players playing out of position.
Horford should play a lot less at the Center position and more at the PF.
Im think Ainge's is trying to give Stevens what he knows how to work with. He's been around the NBA long enough to know this team has serious faults.
Stevens has no clue.
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Post by petey62 on Jan 22, 2018 11:23:24 GMT -5
If I were ainge, I would see what I could get for Brown. He's not a two guard, I think Tatum is more a three than a four, and he's a much better player then Brown! Our biggest needs are a big who can score, and a two guard who can shoot!! No way should we even "sniff" what's out there for Brown. No inquiries, nothing (it might get out publicly and destroy the guy's confidence). I don't want us gauging interests but I would not be mad at DA if he looked? I'm just sayin' the below: " You know what, I really think you're on to something. Although a little reluctant, I believe that is exactly what DA needs to do (see what Brown could bring). Gordon Hayward is a 6'8" 226 pound SF. Tatum is a 6'8" 206 pound SF (who will fill out in time). Honestly, it seems we are set for years to come at the SF position. Last year, I thought that since Brown played SG when Bradley was injured, it would translate better if he's the permanent SG. It just has not................yet.
I'm somewhat hesitant to make a move just yet though because there is so much growing that Brown can do to become a great SG. He seems like the kind of kid who will work on his shot and his game to be a better player. He doesn't strike me as one who will sit back and bask in the glory of being a starting SG for the Celtics (see Bradley's offensive development)." But my official stance is to stay the course with him. |
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Post by dfries13 on Jan 22, 2018 11:45:17 GMT -5
Brown's minutes last year were about half of what i would gave him.
Beating the bottom dwellers to death every night and playing for the best record was not i the best interest of the the moving forward. This is the fault of Stevens or Ainge or both. Brown needs playing time he should have got more.
I see most every player has been criticized this year. No mention of who is leading the show.
They play for the moment without looking ahead.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 22, 2018 12:58:17 GMT -5
We don't need to trade Brown, geez!
Smart or Rozier need to go.
Monroe - my main question would be............why?
If they think he is THE difference maker for this year, then yes. But, we are not winning this year, and he is a FA at the end of the year. We will not be able to afford him with Kyrie coming due soon as well. If they'll take just Smart, then I agree. Otherwise, let's just wait and play the guys we have. Next year, with GH, go for it all!!
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Post by petey62 on Jan 22, 2018 13:51:12 GMT -5
Hedley,
I heard the same argument last year - is picking this player up or that player going be the difference maker? Why is that the prevailing criteria that each pickup has to meet? It's like someone saying (not you, per se) "we should not go after Tyreke Evans because he's not going to be the difference maker". I don't think that should be such a determining factor.
I said this last year, the Celtics can and should make moves that improve the roster, both short-term and long-term. Depending on what we give up, it makes sense to make a move for the short term to improve the roster/fill a need.
Unfortunately, our main problem is we don't have any real assets. KI, Tatum and Brown are our only true assets. I'm not sure we can leverage Smart or Rozier or Morris for a serviceable big man. I don't think their value is that high right now. And the Lakers pick is off limits. If we can get a serviceable big for Smart, I think that's the move to make.
It's crazy to think that two of the most tenured Celtics are the first two thought to be on the block.
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Post by dfries13 on Jan 22, 2018 14:15:06 GMT -5
'''It's crazy to think that two of the most tenured Celtics are the first two thought to be on the block.''
Yep. We have to start keeping some players. The reason for the increase in turnovers.
My guess is Monroe is just for this year. That's all i want anyway i can't speak for the others Hedley. Smart and or Rozier are as good as gone no need to worry.
What happened to the idea that Stevens can get the most out of all that play for him? Miracle worker? How is that working out?
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 22, 2018 14:19:50 GMT -5
Hedley, I heard the same argument last year - is picking this player up or that player going be the difference maker? Why is that the prevailing criteria that each pickup has to meet? It's like someone saying (not you, per se) "we should not go after Tyreke Evans because he's not going to be the difference maker". I don't think that should be such a determining factor. I said this last year, the Celtics can and should make moves that improve the roster, both short-term and long-term. Depending on what we give up, it makes sense to make a move for the short term to improve the roster/fill a need. Unfortunately, our main problem is we don't have any real assets. KI, Tatum and Brown are our only true assets. I'm not sure we can leverage Smart or Rozier or Morris for a serviceable big man. I don't think their value is that high right now. And the Lakers pick is off limits. If we can get a serviceable big for Smart, I think that's the move to make. It's crazy to think that two of the most tenured Celtics are the first two thought to be on the block. Petey, I'm all for improving the team. BUT, with Hayward out, I think long term solutions might be better. I cannot wrap my head around the fascination with Greg Monroe. Sure, he's good, and can score inside........but he is UFA at the end of the year. If we traded for him, could we keep him? I say no, so I think we need to look elsewhere. That's all I'm saying. Vucevic would be better, IMO, because he is under contract next year (when we have GH) as well. Short term? We have 11 new players from last year, and I think we're better than last year. No time to push the panic button yet, IMO. I also think Favors or Hood would be better short term than Monroe. They may be easier to sign after the year. Or even bring back Joe Johnson for the playoffs........... |
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Post by petey62 on Jan 22, 2018 14:35:19 GMT -5
I think the fascination with Greg Monroe is his offensive skillset, something we have not had in a big man, offensively, in years (maybe since KG). A big that you have to pay attention to in the paint. That opens up so much more of the court so others can operate.
I'd love to get a player like Favors, Hood or Tyreke Evans but I think we'd have to give up much more to get those players. But more important, they are wing players which we have a plethora of. If we obtained Hood, for instance, next year we'd have Brown, Hood, Tatum and Hayward (4 good SFs) for basically two spots-and still no big.
I think a guy like Monroe is more athletic and effective against a team like GSW than a mammoth like Vucevic.
And defensively, I believe that since the Celtics have 4 of the top 5 players in defensive efficiency, Monroe would be able to step his defensive game up and even be covered somewhat by the other top notch defenders on the team.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 22, 2018 17:58:00 GMT -5
I think the fascination with Greg Monroe is his offensive skillset, something we have not had in a big man, offensively, in years (maybe since KG). A big that you have to pay attention to in the paint. That opens up so much more of the court so others can operate. I'd love to get a player like Favors, Hood or Tyreke Evans but I think we'd have to give up much more to get those players. But more important, they are wing players which we have a plethora of. If we obtained Hood, for instance, next year we'd have Brown, Hood, Tatum and Hayward (4 good SFs) for basically two spots-and still no big. I think a guy like Monroe is more athletic and effective against a team like GSW than a mammoth like Vucevic. And defensively, I believe that since the Celtics have 4 of the top 5 players in defensive efficiency, Monroe would be able to step his defensive game up and even be covered somewhat by the other top notch defenders on the team. So you'd trade for Monroe, then let him walk at the end of the year? Just trying to understand here, not being a jerk. |
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Post by kyceltic on Jan 22, 2018 19:22:49 GMT -5
I think the fascination with Greg Monroe is his offensive skillset, something we have not had in a big man, offensively, in years (maybe since KG). A big that you have to pay attention to in the paint. That opens up so much more of the court so others can operate. I'd love to get a player like Favors, Hood or Tyreke Evans but I think we'd have to give up much more to get those players. But more important, they are wing players which we have a plethora of. If we obtained Hood, for instance, next year we'd have Brown, Hood, Tatum and Hayward (4 good SFs) for basically two spots-and still no big. I think a guy like Monroe is more athletic and effective against a team like GSW than a mammoth like Vucevic. And defensively, I believe that since the Celtics have 4 of the top 5 players in defensive efficiency, Monroe would be able to step his defensive game up and even be covered somewhat by the other top notch defenders on the team. So you'd trade for Monroe, then let him walk at the end of the year? Just trying to understand here, not being a jerk. I had rather pay Monroe than Smart nectyear! |
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Post by puddin on Jan 22, 2018 20:27:40 GMT -5
So you'd trade for Monroe, then let him walk at the end of the year? Just trying to understand here, not being a jerk. I had rather pay Monroe than Smart nectyear! KY would rather pay anyone than Smart next year!  Pud |
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Post by Admin on Jan 22, 2018 22:27:33 GMT -5
I think the fascination with Greg Monroe is his offensive skillset, something we have not had in a big man, offensively, in years (maybe since KG). A big that you have to pay attention to in the paint. That opens up so much more of the court so others can operate. I'd love to get a player like Favors, Hood or Tyreke Evans but I think we'd have to give up much more to get those players. But more important, they are wing players which we have a plethora of. If we obtained Hood, for instance, next year we'd have Brown, Hood, Tatum and Hayward (4 good SFs) for basically two spots-and still no big. I think a guy like Monroe is more athletic and effective against a team like GSW than a mammoth like Vucevic. And defensively, I believe that since the Celtics have 4 of the top 5 players in defensive efficiency, Monroe would be able to step his defensive game up and even be covered somewhat by the other top notch defenders on the team. So you'd trade for Monroe, then let him walk at the end of the year? Just trying to understand here, not being a jerk. Walk? If not mistaken, he'd come with Bird-Rts if waived. The C's would then have up to $8.6MM with the DPE to offer for the remainder of the season if he signs here as a FA. If he works out he could be resigned over the cap with those bird rts. |
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Post by dfries13 on Jan 22, 2018 22:37:58 GMT -5
Well Monroe is headed somewhere i think this is only his 2nd game this month. They are showcaseing him he'll be gone soon.
His stats toight 30 miutes 9/10 FG 19pts 7 Reb 4 assists 2 steals.
Baynes can't put up those numbers.
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Post by Admin on Jan 22, 2018 23:10:11 GMT -5
Well Monroe is headed somewhere i think this is only his 2nd game this month. They are showcaseing him he'll be gone soon. His stats toight 30 miutes 9/10 FG 19pts 7 Reb 4 assists 2 steals. Baynes can't put up those numbers. Exactly! celticswire.usatoday.com/2017/11/07/eric-bledsoe-trade-greg-monroe-boston-celtics-dpe-hayward-trade-sign-nba/The Celtics expressed some interest in Monroe last year, probably because he opens a can of whoop ass every time he’s in Boston. Milwaukee shopped him hard last season and even considered packaging him with Khris Middleton last year. Their patience paid off, as they have kept Middleton and Malcolm Brogdon while adding Bledsoe.
In practicality for this Boston team, he presents some value as a reliable scorer and impactful rebounder. If Boston can use the DPE for him, he presents much more impact at the final roster spot than pretty much any one else that seems to be available on the market. He is essentially dead cap weight in Phoenix with their glutton of bigs, so he can be pried away in a trade for minimal compensation.
Stevens has said that Boston would look to use the DPE to get another playmaking scorer to supplement the loss of Hayward. Monroe doesn’t fit that mold initially, but he provides scoring potency, veteran consistency and power. Aron Baynes is the only clearly effective power player on the team, although Al Horford, Marcus Morris and Semi Ojeleye have provided help in that regard. But Monroe helps Boston have another dimension as a brute post team, something they have used more this season.
Boston probably won’t pounce on Monroe as they wait for the market to provide more surprise targets such as this for their DPE. But if the clock starts ticking on his availability, Boston should make the move.
www.celticslife.com/2018/01/greg-monroe-buyout-or-trade-clock.htmlIt is hard to believe the Sun's Greg Monroe is only 27 years old. It seems like he has been around forever. He is on an expiring deal with Phoenix worth $17,884,176, and they desperately want to trade him. The trade deadline is approaching (February 8), and so far there have been no takers. If a trade does not happen, a buyout seems inevitable.
Monroe has been potentially linked to the Boston Celtics for some time. He is an old-time NBA center, which might not seem to fit Boston's style, but Greg unquestionably has talent that is not being utilized. He has posted eight DNP CD's in the last nine games. The writing is on the wall. He is on the way out.
Here is the dilemma. Other teams will have an interest in Greg's services (see above). I certainly don't see Danny Ainge trading for Monroe but he may consider signing him if a buyout occurs. The problem that presents is that Greg would see floor time with the Celtics, but it would most likely be limited. Understandably, that may not suit him. He hasn't picked up any foot blisters from excessive floor time. Salary may also be an issue. Boston could sign him with the DPE prior to the exception expiring on March 10 or pick him up on the vet minimum should the DPE be used in a separate transaction.
Would he fit within the Celtics system? Coach Brad Stevens is justifiably known for putting players in situations where they can display their talents. Brad makes most players better. As recently as the 2015-16 season with Detroit, Monroe averaged 29.3 MPG, 15.3 PPG, 8.8 RPG and 2.3 APG. He has no three-point shot, but he can hit his free throws reliably at 74% (for that same season). His age (27) fits Boston's timeline, and he may want to come to a contender. A lot of if's, but he should be considered as a possible addition to the Celtics. The clock is ticking.
www.celticsblog.com/2017/11/8/16624878/celticsblog-roundtable-should-boston-be-in-the-greg-monroe-businessCelticsBlog Roundtable: should Boston be in the Greg Monroe business?Bill Sy: I'll start with the cop-out answer: maybe. Like everything in the NBA, it's a matter of timing. If Monroe sits in expiring contract limbo in Phoenix while the Suns diligently look for all trade avenues before the February 8th trade deadline, he could be in green by March's DPE deadline. Danny will put off the decision until he knows the entire buyout market and more importantly, what the team needs.
However, the one Twitter argument I want to quash is that Monroe isn't a good fit. I'm a big subscriber to "Brad Stevens will make it work." Monroe may not be the prototypical big like Al Horford is for the Celtics' offensive system, but he could slide nicely behind Aron Baynes as another enforcer in the paint. Daniel Theis, Semi Ojeleye, and now Marcus Morris have so far been a solid rotation in the front court, but none of them (with Morris being a little bit of an exception) can create with their back to the basket. Adding yet another element to Boston's offense could make them a more dangerous team in the playoffs.
Jeff Clark: Put me in the "let's try it out" camp. I think he's proven that he can come off the bench and provide instant offense and rebounding. The price would be right on a buyout and you are getting a free look at him. In a worst case scenario if he doesn't fit in, he could be buried on the bench or waived. With all that said, if he's a free agent looking to maximize his next payday, Boston might not be the best fit for him. Ideally he'd be going to a place where he could start or maximize his playing time. Also, I'm not sure if the Celtics would have the cap room to re-sign him this offseason even if he impressed everyone.
Mike DePrisco: I’d love for the Celtics to bring in Monroe if he gets bought out by Phoenix. The Celtics have an abundance of versatile wings and bigs that can stretch the floor and defend multiple positions. Brad Stevens could use Monroe as a lone big in a wing-heavy lineup where he would benefit from one-on-one post ups with little help defense compared to what he saw in Milwaukee. Monroe would give the Celtics a different type of presence in the front court that I’m sure Stevens would find a way to utilize it effectively against teams that struggle with post defense.
Jeff Nooney: I think he could thrive in a limited role. Monroe doesn’t offer a ton of spacing or versatility, would still help the offense. He’s a good rebounder and solid post-up player. But he adds more than just his post-game. Last season he ranked in the 89th percentile as the roll-man on pick-and-rolls, per Synergy. He was good the year before that too. I’d love to see what he could do with Kyrie handling the ball. Even if he mostly plays in bench lineups with Rozier and Smart, he could still bring a nice scoring punch to the mix.
Defense is obviously a concern, but I have faith that the team culture is strong enough to get him to buy-in. If he ends up torpedoing the defense, Stevens can just bench him in the playoffs. Either way, it would be a low-risk pickup with some serious upside.
I think he'd be a low post scoring machine in BOS unlike Big Al. Can't defend both the low post and the perimeter at the same time as well as just one or the other ... that said, Favors is still my top option for a big. |
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Post by puddin on Jan 22, 2018 23:17:15 GMT -5
Well Monroe is headed somewhere i think this is only his 2nd game this month. They are showcaseing him he'll be gone soon. His stats toight 30 miutes 9/10 FG 19pts 7 Reb 4 assists 2 steals. Baynes can't put up those numbers.  Amigo.... the Suns^^ are "showcasing" Monroe??... Attachment Deleted... while the Lakers ^^are "showboating" Randall and Clarkson?? Say what?? Pud |
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Post by sfbosfan on Jan 23, 2018 1:02:16 GMT -5
DeMarcus Cousins had 44 points, 24 rebounds and 10 assists, Anthony Davis scored 34 points, and the All-Star pair led a 17-point New Orleans comeback victory over the Chicago Bulls in double overtime Monday.
I don’t recall who made the following comments about the Pelicans after our loss to them. The person said we match up well with the Cavs and Warriors…and, yes, we are a very good fast break defensive team and would give Golden State fits but truly other than Irving being as good as Curry and Klay, in my opinion, whom do we have as good a Draymond Green and Durant ? The person said we would not beat the Cavs or Warriors with 2 bigs and 3 smalls…no argument from me as I agree wholeheartedly. The person said the Pelicans are an old school team from 30 + years ago when the best players were bigs and said they are a mediocre team. I agree. And, as the Pelicans have no other prolific scorers they are going to score 75% of their points. But recall when we had Bird, McHale & Parrish. We wouldn’t have won either without the good scoring small men. We have a good nucleus of small guys but still have lacked one big man in the post since Perkins left. I would love to have Cousins and give up Horford(not the answer for us in the post) and two others, Smart & Rozier perhaps. Naturally we wouldn't need him to score 44 points but I’d be happy with 15-20 rebs( all 2nd chances when we are having a bad shooting night) and only 10 points perhaps as the rest of the team can do the prolific scoring. Greg Monroe is not Cousins but I'd try to get him if the price were right.
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Post by petey62 on Jan 23, 2018 7:40:12 GMT -5
I think the fascination with Greg Monroe is his offensive skillset, something we have not had in a big man, offensively, in years (maybe since KG). A big that you have to pay attention to in the paint. That opens up so much more of the court so others can operate. I'd love to get a player like Favors, Hood or Tyreke Evans but I think we'd have to give up much more to get those players. But more important, they are wing players which we have a plethora of. If we obtained Hood, for instance, next year we'd have Brown, Hood, Tatum and Hayward (4 good SFs) for basically two spots-and still no big. I think a guy like Monroe is more athletic and effective against a team like GSW than a mammoth like Vucevic. And defensively, I believe that since the Celtics have 4 of the top 5 players in defensive efficiency, Monroe would be able to step his defensive game up and even be covered somewhat by the other top notch defenders on the team. So you'd trade for Monroe, then let him walk at the end of the year? Just trying to understand here, not being a jerk. If the traded Celtic player is Smart, then yes. I'd rather have Monroe this season and he walks (or we sign him) in the offseason MORE than I prefer keeping Smart and letting him walk because he'll be asking for way too much than the Celtics would be willing to pay him. Somebody is going to pay Smart big bucks just like someone paid Oly big bucks. And the Celtics would be fools to pay Smart's asking price. I think the Celtics can only afford one insanely inconsistent bench guard who plays great defense and I prefer that be Rozier. Plus I believe Monroe is a solid inside scoring threat, again, something we have not had in years. Having an inside threat like that allows for more space for our perimeter players. And I know you're not being a jerk..... |
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Post by puddin on Jan 23, 2018 8:32:15 GMT -5
So you'd trade for Monroe, then let him walk at the end of the year? Just trying to understand here, not being a jerk. If the traded Celtic player is Smart, then yes. I'd rather have Monroe this season and he walks (or we sign him) in the offseason MORE than I prefer keeping Smart and letting him walk because he'll be asking for way too much than the Celtics would be willing to pay him. Somebody is going to pay Smart big bucks just like someone paid Oly big bucks. And the Celtics would be fools to pay Smart's asking price. I think the Celtics can only afford one insanely inconsistent bench guard who plays great defense and I prefer that be Rozier. Plus I believe Monroe is a solid inside scoring threat, again, something we have not had in years. Having an inside threat like that allows for more space for our perimeter players. And I know you're not being a jerk..... Petey.... after Oly torched the Cs recently, I recall you lamenting that the Cs should have held onto him (and others), considering how weak the bench play has been. Pud |
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Post by dfries13 on Jan 23, 2018 9:22:01 GMT -5
How many teams has Smart torched this year.?
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Post by petey62 on Jan 23, 2018 9:26:31 GMT -5
Pud
I wish we had held onto him................but not at $15 million and at the risk of not signing Hayward.
As awkward and slow of foot Oly was, he's been our best bench player over the past few years.
Again, but not at $15 million.
I also believe guys like Zeller and Jerebko were decent bench fillers and contributors, much more than what's on the bench now.
I mean Jerebko actually started some playoff games last season if I remember. Not sure we'll get that from any of the current bench guys.
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