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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 8, 2016 10:09:49 GMT -5
I don't think so.The only difference is the hype!!! Karl Anthony Towns is not that much better than AJ Hammons!
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 8, 2016 10:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by Employee8 on Jun 8, 2016 13:34:22 GMT -5
I don't think so.The only difference is the hype!!! Karl Anthony Towns is not that much better than AJ Hammons! Love the HamBone ... we need a Big that doesn't get pushed around down low ... Him or Onuaku fit the bill!
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 8, 2016 16:30:03 GMT -5
answer= YES
big difference
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 9, 2016 9:40:00 GMT -5
I dont know if you follow baseball. If you watch a 24 yr old kid mash the ball in AAA, nobody gets excited. He should at 24. If you watch a 21 yr old kid mash the ball at AAA, get excited.
If you look at the numbers that Mike Trout put in AAA, they are impressive, but not unheard of. Some good, but not great, OF'ers had very similar numbers when they went through AAA. The difference, Trout was 19 at the time and the average MLB OF'ers were like 24. If you are 24 you are on the old side to be playing AAA, so I would expect you to play well.
Basketball isnt as statistically driven as baseball, but the concept still applies. KAT is 21. That means when he was 20, he was a very good NBA player. He wasnt just a great rookie last year, he was (at least) a very good player. A 20 yr old standing out among grown men in their primes? Very impressive. Hammons is like 23-24, playing among 19-20 yr olds. So you have to take the production w a grain of salt. Its easy to overrate seniors. Especially because the average age of an NCAA player has plummeted due to so many of them trying to one-and-done the NCAA. Im not a great scout. If you think there is something there that trumps the general rule that I've put forth above, there may be something there. You would know better than I , as you are a far better scout. But there has to be something that starts with:
"I know that we shouldnt get too excited for prospects that shine when playing against younger kids, but I think that this kid is special because...."
And you really cant see its because he looks like x when playing against college kids, 2-3 crucial years younger. I would like Duncan playing against 11 yr olds (maybe)
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 13, 2016 9:19:05 GMT -5
We have to take this guy at number 23 because I don't think he'll be there at 31 not with the Spurs and Golden State at #s 29 and 30 and their thirst for good talent.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 13, 2016 9:22:18 GMT -5
Who needs Okafor or Noel? Look at this dude!!!! He is what I call a complete center he's not a stretch 5 because he can also ground-and-pound in the paint traditional center style. I declare Hammons to be better than Sabonis! Because of his superior height, reach, strength, and hops. All other skills are about even.
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Post by Mitch on Jun 13, 2016 9:34:13 GMT -5
+1. There's no one that I'd rather see the Celtics pick, in round 2, more than Hammons.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 13, 2016 9:47:45 GMT -5
+1. There's no one that I'd rather see the Celtics pick, in round 2, more than Hammons.
I think it's quite a risk to think he'll make it to the second round! This means we have to take Thon Maker at 16 in my opinion. #3 Hield #16 Maker #23 Hammons(Could be better than Chriss!) This guy will not be there at #23. Nevermind making it to the second round!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 18, 2016 14:57:48 GMT -5
I would take Maker over Hammonds
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Post by Admin on Jun 18, 2016 20:40:00 GMT -5
I would take Maker over Hammonds Hmmm, Hammons can be Boogie Cousins .... See Chad Ford Media Report; On A.J. Hammons (C)
As far as talent goes, he is extremely talented. He is a gifted big man, and if you’re talking just on talent, he would have been drafted in the lottery. As far as a big man that maybe he has some like DeMarcus Cousins in him and how he plays and how he sees the game.
The question for him is many of the same things that have plagued DeMarcus Cousins over the years like commitment, conditioning, playing hard all the time, being a good teammate. He didn’t produce like DeMarcus Cousins produced at Kentucky, too. A lot of it was a little bit more theoretical. DeMarcus Cousins was a big-time scorer and producer as a freshman at Kentucky, and A.J. really didn’t start to produce at a high level until his senior year this year at Purdue.
... so there’s the conundrum with A.J. The fact that he’s 23 years old, and there’s still questions about his maturity and still questions about his commitment, but that you see the skill set that is so enticing and so attractive that teams want to take him. I’ve talked to a number of teams about him, and I think he’s one of the most difficult prospects to pick. If I told you every team in the league liked him, that wouldn’t be an exaggeration. They love the skill set and if I also told you that every team in the league is afraid to take him, that also wouldn’t be an exaggeration. So where does that end up? I think it ends up probably in the second round where the risk is less and the guaranteed money is less and teams can use that lack of guaranteed money as a way to try to motivate a player by basically saying, look, every year you have to produce or your contract ends, right, as opposed to a guaranteed deal that you get in the first round that can protect you a minimum of two years and most of the time three or four.
... if you can’t defend anybody, it’s hard to make a living. The Sixers are figuring that out right now with Jahlil Okafor, who they would like to trade and get another pick in the draft, that they are having a hard time trading him, and it’s not because Jahlil Okafor is not a good player, because he is. He’s a really good player and he actually had a really good rookie season. It’s because teams aren’t trying to play that style anymore, and they want to play fast and they want versatility and they want guys that can face the basket and pass and do all those things, and so it is a harder miss for them. I will say A.J. in some ways has more of those skills than Okafor does, which to me is just a pure, back to the basket, brilliant in the post sort of player. I think A.J. actually brings a little bit more basketball skill, maybe not production but skill to the game.I want Maker ahead of Hammons for a LT developmental prospect and acknowledge to get him a 1st round pick will need to be used but if not acquiring both and it was either one or the other, I'd take Hammons for the near term over Maker long term.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 18, 2016 22:02:22 GMT -5
Hammonds sounds lazy to me. Don't we already have one of those? Danny won't draft anyone in the first round with an attitude problem. If he goes in the second round, that's fine with me. Still like Maker over him (at 23)
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Post by jgallag1 on Jun 18, 2016 22:32:05 GMT -5
He could be Boogie, or he could be Upshaw. I'd take a chance with a second rounder.
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Post by raider3524 on Jun 18, 2016 23:00:51 GMT -5
i'd rather take this guy and stash him...
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Post by raider3524 on Jun 18, 2016 23:03:33 GMT -5
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Post by jgallag1 on Jun 18, 2016 23:50:38 GMT -5
i'd rather take this guy and stash him... Take both AND Qi! I'd love to see every second round pick used on a big body. At least one of them will eventually pan out.
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Post by Cabutan on Jun 19, 2016 0:18:48 GMT -5
Did Hammonds have a workout with the C's? I like his game as well.
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Post by raider3524 on Jun 19, 2016 0:57:35 GMT -5
Did Hammonds have a workout with the C's? I like his game as well. i think he did..today or yesterday...
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Post by Admin on Jun 19, 2016 10:22:37 GMT -5
Hammonds sounds lazy to me. Don't we already have one of those? Danny won't draft anyone in the first round with an attitude problem. If he goes in the second round, that's fine with me. Still like Maker over him (at 23) Who said 1st round? He has to be taken #31 or the Lakers could take him ... can't wait till 35 or 45.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 19, 2016 10:30:53 GMT -5
Hammonds sounds lazy to me. Don't we already have one of those? Danny won't draft anyone in the first round with an attitude problem. If he goes in the second round, that's fine with me. Still like Maker over him (at 23) Who said 1st round? He has to be taken #31 or the Lakers could take him ... can't wait till 35 or 45. Draft express has us taking him at 45. At 31, nbadraft.net has us taking Zizic, and draftexpress has us taking Brice Johnson, both of whom I'd prefer over Hammonds.
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Post by Cabutan on Jun 19, 2016 10:39:21 GMT -5
Word around is that Toronto have their eyes set on Maker at 27 before us. I dont doubt this. He trained in Canada and Toronto likes picking International players. I hope he falls to us but doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 10:46:13 GMT -5
Towns is much better than Hammonds but Hammonds would be better than any big we have and could be our starting Center next year. Hammonds won't be there at 35 your right. Maker has more potential but is definately more of a risk. Not likely to contribute for a couple years which is ok with me. A lot of this depends on what happens at the 3 pick. If we take Bender Maker seems redundent. If we get Okafor or Noel Hammonds might not be a priority. Ainge does such a good job of BSing it's still just a crap shoot till after the third pick. Lotta if ands and butts this year almost too many.
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Post by Cabutan on Jun 19, 2016 10:49:04 GMT -5
I like Damian Jones over Hammons
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Post by Admin on Jun 19, 2016 11:07:43 GMT -5
Who said 1st round? He has to be taken #31 or the Lakers could take him ... can't wait till 35 or 45. Draft express has us taking him at 45. At 31, nbadraft.net has us taking Zizic, and draftexpress has us taking Brice Johnson, both of whom I'd prefer over Hammonds. Zizic will be taken in 1st round ... Hammons won't last to #45 since 2nd rounders are non-guaranteed there will be plenty of teams willing to draft him there. We must use #31 or lose him. We should use #23 for Maker, Qi or Zizic
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 11:37:55 GMT -5
I like Damian Jones over Hammons Jones has some tools but looks more distracted than Hammonds at times. Low energy
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