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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 17:05:25 GMT -5
The last two statements by both of you guys have great elements of truth in them...and it means the talent level must be increased across the board if the rookies were not good enough to warrant playing time throughout the year. I think this is something we've known all year. Rozier had some good moments during the playoffs and some of the vets (Fatburger Sully, Oly) looked awful, like they regressed horribly, albeit for vastly different reasons. There will have to be more roster juggling in the next season or two at least. There are far too many holes everywhere on the team before they can move forward into serious contention Yes the team we see now won't resemble the team in two years . Ainge has a lot of work to do despite the fact we won almost 50. Steven's needs to get on board for the long run just beating the bad teams in the league isn't a sign of progress. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 7, 2016 18:40:14 GMT -5
ROZIER having a couple of good games in the playoffs does not mean ALL the rookies should have been playing more...........sorry!
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Post by Admin on Jun 7, 2016 19:04:27 GMT -5
ROZIER having a couple of good games in the playoffs does not mean ALL the rookies should have been playing more...........sorry! I wonder if the Celtic brain trust got caught up like some of us here, thinking that landing the 3 seed would give them a launching pad to the ECF. That may have contributed to Brad's not providing more playing time for the rooks that could have helped in the playoffs ... say Rozier, Mickey & Hunter. I think there has to be some happy medium where we play those deserving the minutes as well as those needing the minutes to develop. Even the Red Sox benched a core big contract starter for a lesser-known but more effective player at third base. You can't always play guys based on their contracts or seniority. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 7, 2016 20:46:59 GMT -5
ROZIER having a couple of good games in the playoffs does not mean ALL the rookies should have been playing more...........sorry! I wonder if the Celtic brain trust got caught up like some of us here, thinking that landing the 3 seed would give them a launching pad to the ECF. That may have contributed to Brad's not providing more playing time for the rooks that could have helped in the playoffs ... say Rozier, Mickey & Hunter. I think there has to be some happy medium where we play those deserving the minutes as well as those needing the minutes to develop. Even the Red Sox benched a core big contract starter for a lesser-known but more effective player at third base. You can't always play guys based on their contracts or seniority. I agree, but it is also possible that these players are just not good enough to warrant minutes. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 7, 2016 21:16:06 GMT -5
I wonder if the Celtic brain trust got caught up like some of us here, thinking that landing the 3 seed would give them a launching pad to the ECF. That may have contributed to Brad's not providing more playing time for the rooks that could have helped in the playoffs ... say Rozier, Mickey & Hunter. I think there has to be some happy medium where we play those deserving the minutes as well as those needing the minutes to develop. Even the Red Sox benched a core big contract starter for a lesser-known but more effective player at third base. You can't always play guys based on their contracts or seniority. I agree, but it is also possible that these players are just not good enough to warrant minutes. That would fall back on DA then and posters here that were upset with some of his picks would then be proven correct. I think it's too soon to tell as most need 2-3 yrs anyway but I'm one who questions DA's ability to pick any position other than guards. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 7, 2016 22:05:45 GMT -5
I agree, but it is also possible that these players are just not good enough to warrant minutes. That would fall back on DA then and posters here that were upset with some of his picks would then be proven correct. I think it's too soon to tell as most need 2-3 yrs anyway but I'm one who questions DA's ability to pick any position other than guards. I would like to amend my comment to say..........not good enough YET....I agree with you that it is too soon to tell. I have been saying that all year. So, if it is too soon to tell, and they see them every day, and they don't think they're ready yet............see where I'm going with this? As for the picks, I hated the Rozier pick. Very curious to see what he does this year. Not as pessimistic as some here - he won't take a guard, unless part of a trade. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 7, 2016 22:51:26 GMT -5
That would fall back on DA then and posters here that were upset with some of his picks would then be proven correct. I think it's too soon to tell as most need 2-3 yrs anyway but I'm one who questions DA's ability to pick any position other than guards. I would like to amend my comment to say..........not good enough YET....I agree with you that it is too soon to tell. I have been saying that all year. So, if it is too soon to tell, and they see them every day, and they don't think they're ready yet............see where I'm going with this? As for the picks, I hated the Rozier pick. Very curious to see what he does this year. Not as pessimistic as some here - he won't take a guard, unless part of a trade. Sure, Dunn would be a trade most assuredly but can you be certain he won't draft another PG with all those 2nd round options? I think he drafts at least one and I actually think we should stash one or at least assign him to the RedClaws. Now is the time to use 2nd rounders for longer term development. We could easily assign a PG,SF & C to the D-League or Euro-League for future depth. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 8, 2016 9:50:25 GMT -5
I would like to amend my comment to say..........not good enough YET....I agree with you that it is too soon to tell. I have been saying that all year. So, if it is too soon to tell, and they see them every day, and they don't think they're ready yet............see where I'm going with this? As for the picks, I hated the Rozier pick. Very curious to see what he does this year. Not as pessimistic as some here - he won't take a guard, unless part of a trade. Sure, Dunn would be a trade most assuredly but can you be certain he won't draft another PG with all those 2nd round options? I think he drafts at least one and I actually think we should stash one or at least assign him to the RedClaws. Now is the time to use 2nd rounders for longer term development. We could easily assign a PG,SF & C to the D-League or Euro-League for future depth. No, I meant with the 3 or even 16 pick. No telling what he'll do after that! |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 8, 2016 13:33:33 GMT -5
I think we'll see Rozier next year. Remember, Hunter was given spurts of playing time early. Then there was a spurt of PT for Young. Then one for Rozier. I think next year, Rozier gets more opportunity (Hunter / Young spurts of PT will go instead to Rozier). We seem to have very few guys who can play on-ball, traditional, pass-first PG. If Turner leaves, Rozier might be the only one.
In any case, I dont think that Rozier would be much further along right now if he had more PT last season. Maybe we'd have a better understanding of who/what he is, but I don't think that he'd be much better that he is right now. Maybe marginally better. Hopefully, the coaches don't need to see him play NBA games to know who/what he is and how to use him effectively.
He has a role on this team next year IMO. Especially if we say goodbye to Turner. Hunter can go, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 16:10:29 GMT -5
Yep Drewski i can agree on most of that. I still would have gave him some more time because of the reason you stated he seems to be the only pass first man on the team besides Turner I watched Rozier in a least 20 dleague game i thought he was ready at the all star break. I suppose either Stevens and or Ainge felt different. Since Ainge seemed to want Rozier really bad i tend to think it was Steven's decision on the playing time .
I could be wrong no doubt. I do agree even if playing time increased he would probably be just marginally better. I suppose i've wore out this rant and should move on. I just get frustrated when people blindly claim that Stevens never makes a mistake.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 8, 2016 21:06:26 GMT -5
Stevens makes mistakes, sure he does.
We all do.
But we are not the coach, and our opinion doesn't matter. If he feels he's not ready, he's not going to play him. Could he be wrong? Yep, but it really doesn't matter, does it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 21:15:41 GMT -5
Stevens makes mistakes, sure he does. We all do. But we are not the coach, and our opinion doesn't matter. If he feels he's not ready, he's not going to play him. Could he be wrong? Yep, but it really doesn't matter, does it? I thought the main reason we were here to voice our opinion. Yes it mattered he was ill prepared for the playoffs and thrust Rozier in at a critical time after setting on the bench all year. He was wrong if ya want to get honest. You can spin it anyway ya want it. But we looked like shit in the playoffs. |
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 9, 2016 9:30:50 GMT -5
Yep Drewski i can agree on most of that. I still would have gave him some more time because of the reason you stated he seems to be the only pass first man on the team besides Turner I watched Rozier in a least 20 dleague game i thought he was ready at the all star break. I suppose either Stevens and or Ainge felt different. Since Ainge seemed to want Rozier really bad i tend to think it was Steven's decision on the playing time . I could be wrong no doubt. I do agree even if playing time increased he would probably be just marginally better. I suppose i've wore out this rant and should move on. I just get frustrated when people blindly claim that Stevens never makes a mistake. Oh , I certainly agree that Stevens that makes mistakes. I dont like how he approached game 2 of the Hawks series. It seemed to me like he waited until game 3 to make adjustments and I think that hurt us. My comment actually applies to all sports fans in general, especially my personal friends. Some of my friends fall in love w prospects / kids, and it makes sense why. It's so fun to watch them blossom and grow and become contributors. But I feel like sometimes my friends make the mistake of thinking that if you give them the major league at-bats, or the NBA court time, or the NFL snaps, or the ice time....it's a guarantee that they will grow / develop. I just dont think its linear like that. I think that some players will hit their ceiling and stop developing and it really doesnt matter how much game time you give them. THey've hit their talent ceiling. I also feel like a great player will eventually become great. Maybe you can speed the process up a bit w NBA playing time, but I think that great players will still become great, even if they dont get a ton of minutes their rookie year. I just think the impact of game time is a bit overblown. It's important, but not the be-all, end-all like some people think. Some of my friends seem to think that you can take practically any 21 yr old, play him for 4 years, and he'll be good after 4 years. Because he'll have 4 yrs of development. Almost as if the player himself and his talent level is irrelevant. I think there is certainly a correlation between game time and development, but I dont think its linear or consistent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 10:03:36 GMT -5
A lot of my frustration is we don't have a PG unless it's Rozier. I'm not saying he'll be an all star because we havn't seen enough. Your right if the talent isn't there playing time means little that's a given . The guard spots was supposed to be our strong point.
Another year and no clear choice for a PG and lots of folks arn't happy with the two guard position also. I don't see alot of progress despite the fact we won more games .Now we are once in the position again either drafting another combo guard or PG. Ainge or Stevens made a serious mistake last year. Take you pick mine is Stevens
We'll never be a contender with IT at the point the playoffs made that very evident. Stevens never seen this coming? . I don't think many basketball insiders will say this team is well constructed . We'll see what next year brings but i'll be surprised if we resemble last years team few players deserved the time they got last year.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 9, 2016 10:57:10 GMT -5
Stevens makes mistakes, sure he does. We all do. But we are not the coach, and our opinion doesn't matter. If he feels he's not ready, he's not going to play him. Could he be wrong? Yep, but it really doesn't matter, does it? I thought the main reason we were here to voice our opinion. Yes it mattered he was ill prepared for the playoffs and thrust Rozier in at a critical time after setting on the bench all year. He was wrong if ya want to get honest. You can spin it anyway ya want it. But we looked like shit in the playoffs. We didn't do well in the playoffs because we don't have very good players right now. I'm sure if Rozier started all 82 games that would have made a huge difference, he said tongue in cheek. It is a FACT that it is known league wide that Brad Stevens took a roster with very little talent and won 48 games with it. Spin THAT any way you want!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 11:05:41 GMT -5
I thought the main reason we were here to voice our opinion. Yes it mattered he was ill prepared for the playoffs and thrust Rozier in at a critical time after setting on the bench all year. He was wrong if ya want to get honest. You can spin it anyway ya want it. But we looked like shit in the playoffs. We didn't do well in the playoffs because we don't have very good players right now. I'm sure if Rozier started all 82 games that would have made a huge difference, he said tongue in cheek. It is a FACT that it is known league wide that Brad Stevens took a roster with very little talent and won 48 games with it. Spin THAT any way you want!! We beat all the bad teams in the league.many times. Teams with winning records we lost to all year consistently One and done in the playoffs again. That's real progress? I see.. You set the bar so low if you were a Laker fan you would be happy. No spin here just facts that you can't hide from. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 9, 2016 11:25:06 GMT -5
We didn't do well in the playoffs because we don't have very good players right now. I'm sure if Rozier started all 82 games that would have made a huge difference, he said tongue in cheek. It is a FACT that it is known league wide that Brad Stevens took a roster with very little talent and won 48 games with it. Spin THAT any way you want!! We beat all the bad teams in the league.many times. Teams with winning records we lost to all year consistently One and done in the playoffs again. That's real progress? I see.. You set the bar so low if you were a Laker fan you would be happy. No spin here just facts that you can't hide from. 25 wins 40 wins 48 wins Anyone in the world, but you, would call that progress. We have one all-star player, who you want to see come off the bench, and no other player that could start on CLE or ATL..........yet, we still made the playoffs two years in a row. And for the record, there are MANY bad teams in the league....... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 11:45:18 GMT -5
Well im not like most your correct. They don't hand banners out for reaching he playoffs.
. Prediction Watch Ainge blow it up next year and get rid of all these meh players.
Prediction. IT will never be an all star again.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 9, 2016 12:08:09 GMT -5
Well im not like most your correct. They don't hand banners out for reaching he playoffs. . Prediction Watch Ainge blow it up next year and get rid of all these meh players. Prediction. IT will never be an all star again. Only one team gets a banner. It is very rare that a team goes from nothing to the title. We did that with the KG trade, but we probably won't see that happen again. Was GS a juggernaut as soon as they drafted Steph? No. Even the Wiz, with many high picks and good players have not reached their potential yet. That team should be much better. DEN, POR, GSW, and probably BOS and PHO will all be good in few years, at this rate. You're dreaming if you think we can reach the promised land in one year.....and how do you get there........you IMPROVE every year. 25 - 40 - 48........see? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 12:31:52 GMT -5
I've said three years before we are contenders last year. That's probably a little to generous. I didn't see much improvement over the previous year. You did im happy you satisfied Yes this team should be better next year. That will require quite a shakeup from last year. My point. What you seen last year will have little bearing on this year. You think most of this team will be here? I don't.
We could very well get just 45 wins next year but have a better future.
50 45 48 pretty much all the same in my book.We wasted a year shuffling sideways . When we can get past the ist round i'll acknowledge progress. . It's all about the playoffs Hedlay not the regular season.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 9, 2016 14:17:52 GMT -5
I've said three years before we are contenders last year. That's probably a little to generous. I didn't see much improvement over the previous year. You did im happy you satisfied Yes this team should be better next year. That will require quite a shakeup from last year. My point. What you seen last year will have little bearing on this year. You think most of this team will be here? I don't. We could very well get just 45 wins next year but have a better future. 50 45 48 pretty much all the same in my book.We wasted a year shuffling sideways . When we can get past the ist round i'll acknowledge progress. . It's all about the playoffs Hedlay not the regular season. Here is what I think: Thomas will be here Bradley will be here Crowder will be here OLY will be here Smart will be here Hunter will be here Rozier will be here Young, unfortunately, will be here Mickey will be here. They will make a legit attempt to sign Turner. They will make Qualifying offers to Sullinger and Zeller. IF they draft a PF, they will let Amir walk. Jerebko? at 5 mill, I'll bet he stays. So, Mr. Perfect, YES, I think most of the team wil be back next year......at least 9 of the 15. |
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Post by mellymel6 on Jun 9, 2016 14:20:53 GMT -5
I've said three years before we are contenders last year. That's probably a little to generous. I didn't see much improvement over the previous year. You did im happy you satisfied Yes this team should be better next year. That will require quite a shakeup from last year. My point. What you seen last year will have little bearing on this year. You think most of this team will be here? I don't. We could very well get just 45 wins next year but have a better future. 50 45 48 pretty much all the same in my book.We wasted a year shuffling sideways . When we can get past the ist round i'll acknowledge progress. . It's all about the playoffs Hedlay not the regular season. Yep, we did waste a year going sideways...the Fatburger Sully experiment ended the way we all knew in our heart opf hearts it would end..he basically is a land locked slug made for some other team, just not this team - he needs to go NOW.....Oly is what we know he's ALWAYS been...the prototypical Euro Bigman, and why ANYONE thinks he'll have any abilities under the basket or in the key on a regular basis is delusional, simply delusional - just look at how his shoulder completely fell apart (literally) by bumping into a REAL NBA bigman....if it wasn't the truth it would be a cruel joke.....we have no legit NBA frontcourt players, NONE.....we have a plethora of NBA 2nd liners and scrubs...we have several tweeners and almost good players.....we need TALENT, REAL NBA TALENT, to get better and reach the next level....GM DA NEEDS TO SCORE BIG THIS AND NEXT OFF-SEASON..... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 14:53:57 GMT -5
I've said three years before we are contenders last year. That's probably a little to generous. I didn't see much improvement over the previous year. You did im happy you satisfied Yes this team should be better next year. That will require quite a shakeup from last year. My point. What you seen last year will have little bearing on this year. You think most of this team will be here? I don't. We could very well get just 45 wins next year but have a better future. 50 45 48 pretty much all the same in my book.We wasted a year shuffling sideways . When we can get past the ist round i'll acknowledge progress. . It's all about the playoffs Hedlay not the regular season. Here is what I think: Thomas will be here Bradley will be here Crowder will be here OLY will be here Smart will be here Hunter will be here Rozier will be here Young, unfortunately, will be here Mickey will be here. They will make a legit attempt to sign Turner. They will make Qualifying offers to Sullinger and Zeller. IF they draft a PF, they will let Amir walk. Jerebko? at 5 mill, I'll bet he stays. So, Mr. Perfect, YES, I think most of the team wil be back next year......at least 9 of the 15. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 15:07:36 GMT -5
Woops Three of those were rookies Hedley who played little last year. Stands to reason we might give them a real look. That leaves 6 out of 12 according to your reasoning .Young im not so sure about but yes Jerebko likely stays. Turner is our only experienced PG unless we insult him he probably stays.
I see one of either Bradley Smart or IT being traded. Looks like to me we stand to lose about 40% OF the team which you seem to agree somewhat. Of that 40% three will be untried Rookies. That's a lot in one year in my book and resembles a blow up.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 9, 2016 15:12:47 GMT -5
I've said three years before we are contenders last year. That's probably a little to generous. I didn't see much improvement over the previous year. You did im happy you satisfied Yes this team should be better next year. That will require quite a shakeup from last year. My point. What you seen last year will have little bearing on this year. You think most of this team will be here? I don't. We could very well get just 45 wins next year but have a better future. 50 45 48 pretty much all the same in my book.We wasted a year shuffling sideways . When we can get past the ist round i'll acknowledge progress. . It's all about the playoffs Hedlay not the regular season. Yep, we did waste a year going sideways...the Fatburger Sully experiment ended the way we all knew in our heart opf hearts it would end..he basically is a land locked slug made for some other team, just not this team - he needs to go NOW.....Oly is what we know he's ALWAYS been...the prototypical Euro Bigman, and why ANYONE thinks he'll have any abilities under the basket or in the key on a regular basis is delusional, simply delusional - just look at how his shoulder completely fell apart (literally) by bumping into a REAL NBA bigman....if it wasn't the truth it would be a cruel joke.....we have no legit NBA frontcourt players, NONE.....we have a plethora of NBA 2nd liners and scrubs...we have several tweeners and almost good players.....we need TALENT, REAL NBA TALENT, to get better and reach the next level....GM DA NEEDS TO SCORE BIG THIS AND NEXT OFF-SEASON..... If we found out all that, it wasn't a waste of a year.....  Danny does need to score big - how do you think he should do that? Keep the picks, trade the picks, and if so, for whom? WHO would take us to the next level, other than Durant................who? |
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