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Post by Admin on May 26, 2016 10:22:55 GMT -5
www.libertyballers.com/2016/5/24/11761158/report-sixers-covet-another-high-pick-strongly-support-nerlens-noelThe Sixers really want/need another high draft pick (that they didn't get from the Lakers) or a trade to improve their guard position. If they pick Simmons they will be overloaded in the frontcourt with; Saric Simmons Embid Noel Okafor Grant Holmes Noel won't get them as much as Okafor (better offensive player) in the modern NBA where one trick ponies lose value and small ball is making centers of old obsolete. So if Colangelo is set on another pick and considering that Hinkie almost had a deal with the C's, he can complete the deal by swapping the less valuable Noel with a Saric sweetener to the C's for our #3, netting them Dunn or Murray as well as Ingram or Simmons (if they move Saric) with their #1, along with either Smart or Oly and filler from the C's like Young. Why's DA in Croatia? Still scouting Bender ... or getting a look at someone else? www.csnne.com/2016-nba-draft/boston-celtics/danny-ainge-tweets-photo-scouting-trip-croatia-ante-zizic Cibona Zagreb has two draft prospects on their roster: Ante Zizic and Nik Slavica.
Zizic is likely the player Ainge had his eyes on. He’s a 6-foot-11 center who has endless energy on the floor and bullies opponents with his bulk in the paint. With three first-round picks, the Celtics might have to draft-and-stash one of their prospects. Zizic could be on their radar with the No. 23 pick in the first-round.
Cibona won Game 2 of the Croatian League's semi-final playoff game 8-81 over Zadar. Zizic had a solid stat line with 12 points and 13 rebounds playing in front of Ainge.
But you're probably wondering about Dragan Bender. He plays on Thursday in Tel Aviv, Israel. If Ainge makes the nine-hour flight over the Mediterranean Sea he'll get a first-hand look at their potential choice with the third pick.Saric plays for Cibona as well ... he's snubbed the Sixers a few years now and this was his attitude when he was drafted in 2014; hoopshabit.com/2014/05/30/boston-celtics-dario-saric-come-nba-immediately-drafted-celtics/He led Cibona to the Adriatic League Championship, defeating Cedevita 72-59 and taking home the Finals MVP. Saric totalled 23 points, 11 rebounds, seven assists and five blocks as he played all 40 minutes and was a league above everyone else on the floor. The 20-year-old Saric capped off a dominant season where he won the MVP, Finals MVP and the Most Improved Player Award in just his second year. He averaged 16.7 points, 9.7 rebounds, 3.2 assists and 1.3 steals per game and saved his best performances for the biggest games of the season.If link doesn't work click on "go to youtube" and that does work ...
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Post by myurkus on May 26, 2016 13:01:23 GMT -5
The article seems to indicate that they would prefer to keep Noel. I still say Okafor for our #3 straight up is fair. They clear a log jam, keep Saric, and get three of the first four picks. They could start Saric, Noel, and Simmons with a Dunn and Murray or Hield backcourt. Still have stauskas and Embiid on the bench, a ton of cash for free agents. The only downside I see is they help out a division rival.
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Post by myurkus on May 26, 2016 13:47:16 GMT -5
excuse me, 2 of the top 4 picks. Still, the point is they can add the best guard, in their minds, in the draft to the best forward in the draft. Pretty solid.
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Post by Admin on May 26, 2016 17:14:30 GMT -5
The article seems to indicate that they would prefer to keep Noel. I still say Okafor for our #3 straight up is fair. They clear a log jam, keep Saric, and get three of the first four picks. They could start Saric, Noel, and Simmons with a Dunn and Murray or Hield backcourt. Still have stauskas and Embiid on the bench, a ton of cash for free agents. The only downside I see is they help out a division rival. I think Simmons and Saric are redundant and once Saric finds that the Sixers picked Simmons he'll refuse to come stateside. He will come stateside to play for the C's or Lakers though and that's why an Okafor or Noel and Saric makes sense for #3 and Smart, Bradley or Crowder. Saric would be a Pt Forward (much like Simmons) so DA could give up on Oly or Crowder with #3 or even Smart or Bradley if the Sixers wanted insurance for Dunn or Murray. DA could easily select Korkmaz, Valentine or Prince as a replacement at SF for Crowder or make another trade or FA signing. He'd have filled two holes ... F & C with Saric and either Noel or Okafor. PG - Turner - Thomas - Rozier SG: Bradley - Hunter - Korkmaz SF: Saric - Turner - Jerebko PF: Oly - Johnson - Mickey -C: Okafor/Noel - Zeller - Zizic/Qi Assuming Sully let go (RFA offer too much) and Smart/Crowder traded. www.csnphilly.com/the700level/chad-ford-high-likelihood-sixers-trade-jahlil-okafor-or-nerlens-noelPF: |
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Post by kdp59 on May 27, 2016 10:04:47 GMT -5
so , do I understand the article to say that the trade they propose is
#3 pick AND Smart OR Kelly O.
for
Noel and the rights to Saric?
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Post by Admin on May 27, 2016 11:55:25 GMT -5
so , do I understand the article to say that the trade they propose is #3 pick AND Smart OR Kelly O. for Noel and the rights to Saric? The article is italicized and my comments/speculation is not. Based upon speculation on this forum I propose the deal using players we can see being dealt ... Smart or Bradley, Oly or Sully, Young and possibly Crowder with the #3 pick or some combo of these players or others and even more picks. |
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Post by Admin on May 27, 2016 13:11:58 GMT -5
Here's the story speculating that DA may work a deal for Noel & Saric with the #16 pick ... www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2016/05/a_giant_jigsaw_puzzle_for_celticsBut if the Celtics are to pluck someone out of the Sixers’ overloaded frontcourt — don’t forget about Dario Saric — they may get that opportunity further down the draft order with some kind of package involving the 16th pick, and Nerlens Noel as the target. The Everett native is a terrific rim protector, but his offense remains limited to runs to the basket.
The problem lies in his hands — among the worst in the league. But Noel has also never played with a top flight point guard. His scoring opportunities would improve with Thomas, Turner and Smart throwing those lobs.
So this isn't saying #3 and prospects for Okafor or Noel & Saric ... Maybe it's assuming the C's take Bender or trade #3 for a vet but then trade #16 plus players (Oly, Sully, Young, etc) for a combo of Noel & Saric. That would work for us but I don't see how the Sixers benefit w/o #3 for Dunn or Murray unless we give them Smart or Rozier in a package. Or, maybe they are talking about a combined deal of #3 & #16 for Noel and Saric. That said, Saric/Noel for #16 plus with Bender or a vet (Butler. George for #3 and players) would improve the team while staying relatively young. I just doubt the Sixers give us both Noel & Saric for #16 w/o giving up Bradley & Crowder etc so it must be #3 & #16 for Noel & Saric which makes more sense. And that also explains DA being in Croatia checking on Azic and Bender ... can Saric and Korkmaz be too far away to check on them as well? |
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 27, 2016 14:05:14 GMT -5
I said trade 16 and 23 to Utah for 12. Then trade 12 to PHI............12 is better than 16, right?
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Post by Admin on May 27, 2016 14:36:34 GMT -5
I said trade 16 and 23 to Utah for 12. Then trade 12 to PHI............12 is better than 16, right? Right, but if DA is giving #16 and players for Noel & Saric and Sixers agree, then they can trade up to #12. If we get to #12 and then deal with Sixers we s/b able to save some on the players or extra picks (if any) given up in the deal. If we kept the #3 or worked out another trade for it, how'd you feel about getting Noel & Saric for #16 plus? |
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 27, 2016 15:03:18 GMT -5
That would be great!!
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Post by Employee8 on May 27, 2016 17:23:44 GMT -5
As for whether Ford would do the deal for the Boston Celtics' third-overall pick in this year's draft, as has been hinted at by numerous reporters, he says,
"Absolutely."
If I was Philadelphia, it would be done tomorrow. I don't know if Boston would do it, but for Philadelphia, 100 percent. That would allow them to actually I think bring in another guard, an elite guard, whether that's Kris Dunn or Jamal Murray, and suddenly now you've got a very, very bright future. I think that's an easy call for the Sixers if Boston would do it.
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Post by thejuice on May 28, 2016 18:43:40 GMT -5
Here's the story speculating that DA may work a deal for Noel & Saric with the #16 pick ... www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2016/05/a_giant_jigsaw_puzzle_for_celticsBut if the Celtics are to pluck someone out of the Sixers’ overloaded frontcourt — don’t forget about Dario Saric — they may get that opportunity further down the draft order with some kind of package involving the 16th pick, and Nerlens Noel as the target. The Everett native is a terrific rim protector, but his offense remains limited to runs to the basket.
The problem lies in his hands — among the worst in the league. But Noel has also never played with a top flight point guard. His scoring opportunities would improve with Thomas, Turner and Smart throwing those lobs.
So this isn't saying #3 and prospects for Okafor or Noel & Saric ... Maybe it's assuming the C's take Bender or trade #3 for a vet but then trade #16 plus players (Oly, Sully, Young, etc) for a combo of Noel & Saric. That would work for us but I don't see how the Sixers benefit w/o #3 for Dunn or Murray unless we give them Smart or Rozier in a package. Or, maybe they are talking about a combined deal of #3 & #16 for Noel and Saric. That said, Saric/Noel for #16 plus with Bender or a vet (Butler. George for #3 and players) would improve the team while staying relatively young. I just doubt the Sixers give us both Noel & Saric for #16 w/o giving up Bradley & Crowder etc so it must be #3 & #16 for Noel & Saric which makes more sense. And that also explains DA being in Croatia checking on Azic and Bender ... can Saric and Korkmaz be too far away to check on them as well? This would be great but why would Philly do it? |
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Post by Admin on May 28, 2016 19:11:41 GMT -5
Because 1) as Ford says, Noel & Okafor can't play together 2) they really need another high draft pick since losing the Laker pick to add Dunn or Murray and 3) once they select Simmons they probably already know that Saric won't come stateside to split time with Simmons. He will become a wasted pick but by trading him to a team they know he will come play for (Celtics or Lakers) they save face and get another asset in return.
The C's can give them something for Saric (player, current (#16) or future pick for Saric and both teams make out. The C's have the #3 that Philly needs unless they will take a smorgasbord of players/picks like Rozier, Smart, future #1, etc for Noel as well. Not sure DA gives up #3 for Okafor, maybe Noel as he likes his defense and he has a few years under his belt now and is no longer an unknown commodity.
S/B fun listening to the rumors and seeing what happens ... Laker rumors s/b cropping up soon ... I think we can kill two birds by landing Noel & Saric as long as we don't overpay for unproven talent.
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Post by raider3524 on May 28, 2016 19:18:29 GMT -5
i read something that we would have to give up our #3 and smart or bradley for okafor? that is insane and i would never do that....may be smart for okafor? #3 for okafor? but no way in hell would i give up both!
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Post by raider3524 on May 28, 2016 19:20:07 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on May 28, 2016 20:33:17 GMT -5
i read something that we would have to give up our #3 and smart or bradley for okafor? that is insane and i would never do that....may be smart for okafor? #3 for okafor? but no way in hell would i give up both! I think that is speculation by the media. Philly would like a vet player and the #3 but that doesn't mean DA will abide. I can see DA giving up #3 for Noel or Okafor but not much else. Now if we're talking Noel & Saric then #3 and Smart is more palatable but I can't see DA over paying for Noel or Okafor when he may have a future allstar with Bender. Maybe he passes on trading #3 altogether and works a deal for Saric with the #16 pick ... that would be as good as getting Korkmaz or Valentine there. |
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Post by raider3524 on May 28, 2016 20:45:30 GMT -5
i read something that we would have to give up our #3 and smart or bradley for okafor? that is insane and i would never do that....may be smart for okafor? #3 for okafor? but no way in hell would i give up both! I think that is speculation by the media. Philly would like a vet player and the #3 but that doesn't mean DA will abide. I can see DA giving up #3 for Noel or Okafor but not much else. Now if we're talking Noel & Saric then #3 and Smart is more palatable but I can't see DA over paying for Noel or Okafor when he may have a future allstar with Bender. Maybe he passes on trading #3 altogether and works a deal for Saric with the #16 pick ... that would be as good as getting Korkmaz or Valentine there. that would be alright... |
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