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Post by drewski6 on Mar 21, 2024 9:25:55 GMT -5
This Celtics team has the third best NET rating of all time www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/best-net-rating-in-nba-history-by-season with 18% more games to play. Thats on pace for 13.8, which would be the best of all time. This is one of the best regular season teams of all time. Of course the playoffs are what matters, and we'll see what happens when we get there. But all we have to judge this Celtics team on is reg season as of today, and season-to-date.....they rank.....best team of all time.
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2024 9:52:53 GMT -5
Giannis set out tonight. He will probably set out tomorrow . Giannis has already been taken out of the MVP race and said he didn't care much about the regular season. Bucks didn't care alot about winning this game and won't likely go all out tomorrow. What they do care about.. Middleton getting in shape and the playoffs// Horford played 38 minutes Tatum 39 no Buck played that much. One needs to ask themselves at this stage of the season Who's trying to impress folks in the regular season still and who has their eyes fix solely on the playoffs.. Oh and Muzz cared you can bet on that... Last game, Tatum and Al didnt play. Game before that Brown, White, Porz didnt play. Game before that Porz didnt play. Game before that Brown, Al, Porz didnt play. I know your right. Porz has been resting the whole season he's only played 48 games. I think they overworked Horford last night the rest of the team sans maybe Holiday i'm not concerned about.
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Post by Cabutan on Mar 21, 2024 11:26:54 GMT -5
If the season ended today, CHI and ATL would have a play in game.......then they get us......NOT worried. A great game might be the other play in (as of today) - MIA vs PHI. If Embiid is healthy, then it could be PHI, who then gets MIL. Either way, it's great for us because TWO of our former problem teams will be gone. (PHI, MIL or MIA). Looks like then, provided the higher seed wins, we'd get the Knicks. A minor problem for us, but I don't think they can beat us 4 times. ECF, therefore, SHOULD BE......BOS vs MIL or PHI or MIA. A tough series regardless, but, did we know, we have not lost at home to an Eastern Conference team all year? I like our chances. Some things to tighten up? Sure, but when we are healthy, we are a very, very tough out!! Based solely on our games against MIL, who I expect we'll see in the ECF, they've outplayed us. In the 2 games in Boston, we've won, but by a combined SIX POINTS. In MIL, in the one game we've played thus far, they beat us by THIRTY-TWO. And my concern is that MIL is peaking. They are putting things together which is what you want at this time of year.  Have the Celtics already peaked? I don't know but we sure have a lot of areas that require improvement. And despite our home record against eastern conference teams, WE ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO LOSE AT HOME IN THE PLAYOFFS! And, as far as I'm concerned, I'll believe we've overcome that when I see us dominant at home in the playoffs. And a game like last night validates that concern for our play against those very good, conference/NBA Final-level teams. thank you
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Post by Cabutan on Mar 21, 2024 11:28:46 GMT -5
Tatum: "a win is a win"
The most complacent/mediocre words a captain of a team can come up with.
I am so done with this guy. I am glad we have porzingis and all that because this guy is not a winner.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 21, 2024 11:33:37 GMT -5
So, we're 2-1 vs MIL, and they've outplayed us?
Doesn't make sense to me.
We won 2, they won 1.............I don't care if we won by a combined 500 points or 6. A win IS a win!!
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Post by petey62 on Mar 21, 2024 12:48:15 GMT -5
I thought you said you'll believe in us if we played well in those string of games against Western teams. Well we went 6-1 w/ all wins being double digits (including beating GS by 50+). Since then (after last games vs suns), we are 3-0 and 2 of the games were won by 20+ (while resting guys). So we have one game, where we win, but not by as much as we should, and here comes the doubtersons. I give Pud an hour before he shows up saying he was right all along that this is an under .500 team. Actually, it was how we'd do on the road portion of that string, although not stated, specifically AT CLE, DEN and PHX. I don't need to see us win AT POR and AT UTA to "believe in the Celtics as legit championship contenders". I also didn't need to see them beat two hyped-up Western conference play-in teams AT HOME in DAL and GSW although the GSW beat-down was "sort of" impressive in that the game was over at halftime. However, I was not convinced with losses at CLE (without Donovan Mitchell, Max Strus and Mobley getting injured and leaving early) and then DEN. And PHX just hasn't played that well this year at all. For me, I want to see us PLAY RIGHT and WIN RIGHT against the likes of MIL, CLE, OKC, MIN, DEN, LAC (and after the NYK get at full strength). I don't want to see us BARELY escaping AT HOME against a MIL team without Giannis. I don't want to see us losing AT CLE without Mitchell. I don't want to see us losing AT DEN or AT HOME against a DEN team we may very well have to play in the Finals. In May, GSW and PHI will be on vacation. I want to see us play a WINNING 48 minute game against the likes of teams I mentioned previously. What is our record against MIL, CLE, OKC, MIN, DEN, and LAC? I would bet it's probably not a winning record. That's what matters to me. Not 55 wins right now. The ONLY result from this season must be CHAMPIONSHIP. Nothing else.
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Post by petey62 on Mar 21, 2024 13:00:20 GMT -5
That MIL loss, wasn't that the one where none of our starters played in the second half and Mazz gave up?
We get them again 4/9. And, we might lose again by 30 because they will have something to play for, and we won't. Yes, I'd like to beat them to send a message, but let the Sixers (or Heat) and Cavs beat up on them before we get to them. I don't think they can beat us four times. YES, because MIL held a 75 to 38 halftime advantage. The starters NOT playing the second half has nothing to do with MIL's domination that night. Everyone has something to play for. No team, right now, is ready for the playoffs.
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Post by petey62 on Mar 21, 2024 13:17:44 GMT -5
So, we're 2-1 vs MIL, and they've outplayed us? Doesn't make sense to me. We won 2, they won 1.............I don't care if we won by a combined 500 points or 6. A win IS a win!! We've won 55 games this season and looking at last night's game, TO ME, it looks like MIL is improving more than the Celtics at this stage of the season. When people say, " a win is a win", they don't want to admit they played poorly and are simply happy to get the win. As Tatum stated post-game, " it was ugly". Honestly, when you have the offensive and defensive ratings the Celtics have, you shouldn't have to ESCAPE with a win after being up 18 points entering the 4th quarter. You shouldn't, AS A TEAM, get outscored by Dame and Portis, 25 to 21, in the 4th quarter. And I laugh when people say, " oh, the Celtics didn't have anything to play for". What are the Celtics playing for when they're up 22 points and then 18 points entering the 4th quarter? We sure are playing well for 3 quarters while having nothing to play for. I think that notion is delusional.
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 21, 2024 13:21:11 GMT -5
So, we're 2-1 vs MIL, and they've outplayed us? Doesn't make sense to me. We won 2, they won 1.............I don't care if we won by a combined 500 points or 6. A win IS a win!! We've won 55 games this season and looking at last night's game, TO ME, it looks like MIL is improving more than the Celtics at this stage of the season. When people say, " a win is a win", they don't want to admit they played poorly and are simply happy to get the win. As Tatum stated post-game, " it was ugly". Honestly, when you have the offensive and defensive ratings the Celtics have, you shouldn't have to ESCAPE with a win after being up 18 points entering the 4th quarter. You shouldn't, AS A TEAM, get outscored by Dame and Portis, 25 to 21, in the 4th quarter. And I laugh when people say, " oh, the Celtics didn't have anything to play for". What are the Celtics playing for when they're up 22 points and then 18 points entering the 4th quarter? We sure are playing well for 3 quarters while having nothing to play for. I think that notion is delusional. Funny you should bring up offensive and defensive ratings. Takin both into account, "net rating" we are on pace to be the best team of all time. I just hope you are enjoying this historic pace.
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Post by kyceltic on Mar 21, 2024 13:26:59 GMT -5
I'm back! What if we had been down 20 to start the fourth, and had came back to win by 3, would that have made some of you happy? I didn't think so!!
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Post by kyceltic on Mar 21, 2024 13:27:34 GMT -5
We've won 55 games this season and looking at last night's game, TO ME, it looks like MIL is improving more than the Celtics at this stage of the season. When people say, " a win is a win", they don't want to admit they played poorly and are simply happy to get the win. As Tatum stated post-game, " it was ugly". Honestly, when you have the offensive and defensive ratings the Celtics have, you shouldn't have to ESCAPE with a win after being up 18 points entering the 4th quarter. You shouldn't, AS A TEAM, get outscored by Dame and Portis, 25 to 21, in the 4th quarter. And I laugh when people say, " oh, the Celtics didn't have anything to play for".  What are the Celtics playing for when they're up 22 points and then 18 points entering the 4th quarter? We sure are playing well for 3 quarters while having nothing to play for. I think that notion is delusional. Funny you should bring up offensive and defensive ratings. Takin both into account, "net rating" we are on pace to be the best team of all time. I just hope you are enjoying this historic pace. I am!
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Post by kyceltic on Mar 21, 2024 13:34:14 GMT -5
If the season ended today, CHI and ATL would have a play in game.......then they get us......NOT worried. A great game might be the other play in (as of today) - MIA vs PHI. If Embiid is healthy, then it could be PHI, who then gets MIL. Either way, it's great for us because TWO of our former problem teams will be gone. (PHI, MIL or MIA). Looks like then, provided the higher seed wins, we'd get the Knicks. A minor problem for us, but I don't think they can beat us 4 times. ECF, therefore, SHOULD BE......BOS vs MIL or PHI or MIA. A tough series regardless, but, did we know, we have not lost at home to an Eastern Conference team all year? I like our chances. Some things to tighten up? Sure, but when we are healthy, we are a very, very tough out!! Not trying to be a smart ass, but Chi and Atlanta would play each other, then the winner would play the loser of the Heat and Sixers, if the season ended today, and we would play the winner of that game! I may have made it sound more complicated than it is!
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Post by petey62 on Mar 21, 2024 13:37:01 GMT -5
We've won 55 games this season and looking at last night's game, TO ME, it looks like MIL is improving more than the Celtics at this stage of the season. When people say, " a win is a win", they don't want to admit they played poorly and are simply happy to get the win. As Tatum stated post-game, " it was ugly". Honestly, when you have the offensive and defensive ratings the Celtics have, you shouldn't have to ESCAPE with a win after being up 18 points entering the 4th quarter. You shouldn't, AS A TEAM, get outscored by Dame and Portis, 25 to 21, in the 4th quarter. And I laugh when people say, " oh, the Celtics didn't have anything to play for". What are the Celtics playing for when they're up 22 points and then 18 points entering the 4th quarter? We sure are playing well for 3 quarters while having nothing to play for. I think that notion is delusional. Funny you should bring up offensive and defensive ratings. Takin both into account, "net rating" we are on pace to be the best team of all time. I just hope you are enjoying this historic pace. I'm enjoying it but I'm also seeing areas of concern (our inability to GSW-finish teams when we have them down) that we'll need to fix to win a championship. WE CAN'T BEAT DENVER and I'm happy we won 55 games, but would rather we play much better against teams like DEN and MIL. Our ratings mean nothing. Those are regular season ratings. Anything but a championship is failure and when you see your MVP score 1 basket in the second half and, as a team in the 4th quarter, you get outscored by 2 players, WE ARE NOT THERE YET DESPITE 55 WINS. That doesn't happen to championship teams. It shouldn't happen to a 55-win team either.
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2024 13:43:18 GMT -5
I'm back! What if we had been down 20 to start the fourth, and had came back to win by 3, would that have made some of you happy? I didn't think so!! Back from where? Two weeks working in the coal mines in Cumberland?
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Post by petey62 on Mar 21, 2024 13:49:18 GMT -5
I'm back! What if we had been down 20 to start the fourth, and had came back to win by 3, would that have made some of you happy? I didn't think so!! I'm simply looking for solid, 48-minute consistent, play. That is what will be needed to win 4 seven game series and a championship. FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM, it shows more grit and mental toughness to battle back after being down by 20 than to give up an 18-point 4th quarter lead. Battling back shows poise and grit and toughness. Giving up that type of lead shows the lack of those qualities.
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Post by puddin on Mar 21, 2024 13:53:48 GMT -5
I thought you said you'll believe in us if we played well in those string of games against Western teams. Well we went 6-1 w/ all wins being double digits (including beating GS by 50+). Since then (after last games vs suns), we are 3-0 and 2 of the games were won by 20+ (while resting guys). So we have one game, where we win, but not by as much as we should, and here comes the doubtersons. I give Pud an hour before he shows up saying he was right all along that this is an under .500 team.Amigo.... you turn out to be wrong on two counts.
I predicted early on that the current team would win 41 regular season games out of 82.
By my calculations, bing....bing..... bing....that is not "an under .500 team".
That's a dead even .500 team!
And for granting me a full 60 minutes to show up in order to show out.....
....I "held my water" (see above) for 4 long, long hours and counting before posting.... just to disprove your other point, whatever it was!
Pud
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Post by Admin on Mar 21, 2024 14:08:10 GMT -5
You guys seem to forget that that big loss to the Bucks was on our 4th game in 5 days ... it was a non-event, that's why Mazz benched the starters for the 2nd half!
And the current discussion on Felger & Mazz touched on the topic I was thinking - Bucks are better w/o Giannis w/ Lillard, Middleton & Portis doing more scoring than having Giannis dominate the ball. If you think the Bucks win this game if he played last night you would be wrong ... I guarantee it!
The Bucks play a much different game w/o Giannis and this wasn't the 1st time. He's a ball hog and his teammates watch him dribble the clock out and get fewer touches, especially Portis.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 21, 2024 14:18:05 GMT -5
If the season ended today, CHI and ATL would have a play in game.......then they get us......NOT worried. A great game might be the other play in (as of today) - MIA vs PHI. If Embiid is healthy, then it could be PHI, who then gets MIL. Either way, it's great for us because TWO of our former problem teams will be gone. (PHI, MIL or MIA). Looks like then, provided the higher seed wins, we'd get the Knicks. A minor problem for us, but I don't think they can beat us 4 times. ECF, therefore, SHOULD BE......BOS vs MIL or PHI or MIA. A tough series regardless, but, did we know, we have not lost at home to an Eastern Conference team all year? I like our chances. Some things to tighten up? Sure, but when we are healthy, we are a very, very tough out!! Not trying to be a smart ass, but Chi and Atlanta would play each other, then the winner would play the loser of the Heat and Sixers, if the season ended today, and we would play the winner of that game! I may have made it sound more complicated than it is! No, you're correct. Thanks for clarifying. I mean I'm not afraid of whoever the 8 seed is. So, the loser of the 9/10 game is out? And the winner of the 7/8 game is #7? Therefore, 8 would be decided by the winner of the third game, as you said!!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 21, 2024 14:19:56 GMT -5
You guys seem to forget that that big loss to the Bucks was on our 4th game in 5 days ... it was a non-event, that's why Mazz benched the starters for the 2nd half! And the current discussion on Felger & Mazz touched on the topic I was thinking - Bucks are better w/o Giannis w/ Lillard, Middleton & Portis doing more scoring than having Giannis dominate the ball. If you think the Bucks win this game if he played last night you would be wrong ... I guarantee it! The Bucks play a much different game w/o Giannis and this wasn't the 1st time. He's a ball hog and his teammates watch him dribble the clock out and get fewer touches, especially Portis. Exactly!!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 21, 2024 14:21:34 GMT -5
I'm back! What if we had been down 20 to start the fourth, and had came back to win by 3, would that have made some of you happy? I didn't think so!! Back from where? Two weeks working in the coal mines in Cumberland? There is a Cumberland in KY? Did not know that!
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Post by kyceltic on Mar 21, 2024 14:42:30 GMT -5
You guys seem to forget that that big loss to the Bucks was on our 4th game in 5 days ... it was a non-event, that's why Mazz benched the starters for the 2nd half! And the current discussion on Felger & Mazz touched on the topic I was thinking - Bucks are better w/o Giannis w/ Lillard, Middleton & Portis doing more scoring than having Giannis dominate the ball. If you think the Bucks win this game if he played last night you would be wrong ... I guarantee it! The Bucks play a much different game w/o Giannis and this wasn't the 1st time. He's a ball hog and his teammates watch him dribble the clock out and get fewer touches, especially Portis. Scheduled loss!!
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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2024 14:49:28 GMT -5
You guys seem to forget that that big loss to the Bucks was on our 4th game in 5 days ... it was a non-event, that's why Mazz benched the starters for the 2nd half! And the current discussion on Felger & Mazz touched on the topic I was thinking - Bucks are better w/o Giannis w/ Lillard, Middleton & Portis doing more scoring than having Giannis dominate the ball. If you think the Bucks win this game if he played last night you would be wrong ... I guarantee it! The Bucks play a much different game w/o Giannis and this wasn't the 1st time. He's a ball hog and his teammates watch him dribble the clock out and get fewer touches, especially Portis. Someone said what I was thinking. Also, let's see them play that hard two games in a row.
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2024 15:25:06 GMT -5
Back from where? Two weeks working in the coal mines in Cumberland? There is a Cumberland in KY? Did not know that! Harlan County 10 miles from the VA border was there in the late 90s Old Coal town . Don't go there ever.
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2024 15:27:54 GMT -5
You guys seem to forget that that big loss to the Bucks was on our 4th game in 5 days ... it was a non-event, that's why Mazz benched the starters for the 2nd half! And the current discussion on Felger & Mazz touched on the topic I was thinking - Bucks are better w/o Giannis w/ Lillard, Middleton & Portis doing more scoring than having Giannis dominate the ball. If you think the Bucks win this game if he played last night you would be wrong ... I guarantee it! The Bucks play a much different game w/o Giannis and this wasn't the 1st time. He's a ball hog and his teammates watch him dribble the clock out and get fewer touches, especially Portis. No the Bucks arn't better without Giannis that's absurd. Ball Hog? Giannis averages 18.6 shots a game Tatum averages 19.4. Math isn't on your side..
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2024 15:33:46 GMT -5
You guys seem to forget that that big loss to the Bucks was on our 4th game in 5 days ... it was a non-event, that's why Mazz benched the starters for the 2nd half! And the current discussion on Felger & Mazz touched on the topic I was thinking - Bucks are better w/o Giannis w/ Lillard, Middleton & Portis doing more scoring than having Giannis dominate the ball. If you think the Bucks win this game if he played last night you would be wrong ... I guarantee it! The Bucks play a much different game w/o Giannis and this wasn't the 1st time. He's a ball hog and his teammates watch him dribble the clock out and get fewer touches, especially Portis. Someone said what I was thinking. Also, let's see them play that hard two games in a row. You think the Bucks will lay down during the playoffs and not play hard? So what makes you think this? They have really bad beer? This i believe.
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