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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2024 2:09:03 GMT -5
Of the teams interested in Gallinari, that includes a Lakers team looking to make an upgrade, according to HoopHype’s Michael Scotto. Gallinari is averaging 7.5 points and 2.8 rebounds in 31 games between Washington and Detroit this season.
According to a report from veteran NBA insider Marc Stein at Substack, the Mavericks have held exploratory talks centered around a trade involving former Boston big man Grant Williams and Bucks center Bobby Portis. Stein adds that it’s unclear if talks will become “more serious.” The Bucks have been rumored to be searching for bench upgrades for weeks with Portis and swingman Pat Connaughton as potential trade chips.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 6, 2024 8:18:04 GMT -5
Of the teams interested in Gallinari, that includes a Lakers team looking to make an upgrade, according to HoopHype’s Michael Scotto. Gallinari is averaging 7.5 points and 2.8 rebounds in 31 games between Washington and Detroit this season.
According to a report from veteran NBA insider Marc Stein at Substack, the Mavericks have held exploratory talks centered around a trade involving former Boston big man Grant Williams and Bucks center Bobby Portis. Stein adds that it’s unclear if talks will become “more serious.” The Bucks have been rumored to be searching for bench upgrades for weeks with Portis and swingman Pat Connaughton as potential trade chips.
Anyone they are not interested in?? You know, as good as AD is, does anyone think they'd be better right now if they kept Ingram, Ball, Randle, and Clarkson? Or is it just me?
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 6, 2024 8:33:23 GMT -5
Serious question - with the big time CBA restrictions coming next year, why would any team trade multiple FRDP's for anyone? I understand the "win now" mentality, but some of these names that are floated out there have big $$ salaries. An expiring? Ok, I can see that, but I wouldn't give up a FRDP................those are the cheapest contracts out there right now. I think this is also the holdup on Holiday......
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Post by kdp59 on Feb 6, 2024 8:36:48 GMT -5
trouble is, even IF they would let Jrue walk next year, then at BEST Boston might have the taxpaying MLE to use ( if under the second apron). so they could only pay Walker that next year. and have lost a FRP to boot. pretty high price to me for Walker Walker may help bring us a ring, our 1st round pick will more than likely never play! wait, I thought the middling second round pick Walsh was a future star? yet a projected FRP would never play? sports fans always amaze me.
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 6, 2024 11:06:30 GMT -5
Walsh was the 38th pick. We'll more than likely be picking 30th this season. I'd give the Nets Walsh and our pick for Walker! I don't see the Nets trading with us, though.
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2024 13:07:45 GMT -5
Serious question - with the big time CBA restrictions coming next year, why would any team trade multiple FRDP's for anyone? I understand the "win now" mentality, but some of these names that are floated out there have big $$ salaries. An expiring? Ok, I can see that, but I wouldn't give up a FRDP................those are the cheapest contracts out there right now. I think this is also the holdup on Holiday......
B Robb tries to answer here:
Normally, a trade exception would last a full year since its creation, giving the Celtics to use the Williams TPE until the summer. However, the new provisions of the CBA will change the dynamics on that front for Boston starting this offseason. The Celtics are currently a second-apron team, meaning they are spending over the $182.7 million threshold, which will put several restrictions on them in future seasons.
All of these trade tools will be challenging for Boston’s front office to navigate in the future but the biggest one for the present is the new TPE rule. Given that Boston won’t be allowed to use the mid-level exception this offseason either as a second apron team, this week’s trade deadline will be Boston’s last chance to add a smaller to mid-level salary above the minimum without having to touch their current roster. Even acquiring a player on an expiring contract with Bird Rights could be a valuable tool for Boston’s future this week since the Celtics will have no way of signing a free agent of that ilk this summer unless they are willing to sign for the veteran’s minimum.
There has been a lot of talk downplaying the importance of the trade deadline this season given the unlikelihood of the Celtics making a major splash to their rotation. However, don’t underrate the importance of Boston’s chance to tweak the back end of their roster for both the present and the future under the current CBA rules. Life will get far more challenging for the front office with team building starting this summer so look for the Celtics’ to get their final swings in this week.
Admin Comment: I'm sure B Robb knows that other contracts can't be used as "filler" in a TPE trade and suspect that he was referring to the use of cash as said "filler" of which the C's have about $7MM available still.
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Post by cole on Feb 6, 2024 15:23:20 GMT -5
Of the teams interested in Gallinari, that includes a Lakers team looking to make an upgrade, according to HoopHype’s Michael Scotto. Gallinari is averaging 7.5 points and 2.8 rebounds in 31 games between Washington and Detroit this season.
According to a report from veteran NBA insider Marc Stein at Substack, the Mavericks have held exploratory talks centered around a trade involving former Boston big man Grant Williams and Bucks center Bobby Portis. Stein adds that it’s unclear if talks will become “more serious.” The Bucks have been rumored to be searching for bench upgrades for weeks with Portis and swingman Pat Connaughton as potential trade chips.
Anyone they are not interested in?? You know, as good as AD is, does anyone think they'd be better right now if they kept Ingram, Ball, Randle, and Clarkson? Or is it just me? Not if they couldn't have AD. I don't think that team wins the ring they did get a couple years back. I do agree they would be better now.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 7, 2024 13:24:14 GMT -5
Scratch one:
Adrian Wojnarowski: The Utah Jazz are trading Simone Fontecchio to the Detroit Pistons for a 2024 second-round pick, sources tell ESPN. – via Twitter wojespn Top Rumors, Trade, Kevin Knox, Simone Fontecchio, Detroit Pistons, Utah Jazz
Adrian Wojnarowski: Kevin Knox, 2024 second-round pick via Wizards and draft rights to Gabriele Procida to go Jazz in deal, sources tell ESPN. – via Twitter wojespn Draft, Gabriele Procida, Trade, Kevin Knox, Simone Fontecchio, Detroit Pistons, Utah Jazz, Washington Wizards
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 7, 2024 13:26:14 GMT -5
The Jazz have two players that could fit the bill on that front as the team has kicked the tires on 6-foot-7 Italian forward Simone Fontecchio and former lottery pick Kris Dunn per league sources. – via Booth Newspapers Top Rumors, Trade, Kris Dunn, Simone Fontecchio, Boston Celtics, Utah Jazz
The Athletic's Tony Jones reported Wednesday that Fontecchio "has emerged as a serious trade target for two contending teams, according to multiple league sources: the Phoenix Suns and the Boston Celtics. Both teams need to strengthen their respective second units, and Fontecchio has an easy salary number for Phoenix and Boston to get to as he is in the final year of a contract that pays him $3.1 million annually."
Fontecchio is averaging 8.9 points, 3.5 rebounds and 1.5 assists per game, while also shooting 39.1 percent from 3-point range and 45 percent from the field. His numbers in all five of those categories represent career highs.
The 28-year-old forward, who's in his second NBA season, is listed at 6-foot-7 and 209 pounds. The Celtics could use another big wing who can shoot well from the outside, and Fontecchio fits the bill.
Fontecchio's $3.1 million salary would fit inside the traded player exception (TPE) the Celtics created as a result of their Grant Williams sign-and-trade with the Dallas Mavericks last summer. The Celtics must use that TPE by the trade deadline or it goes away.
Fontecchio might not be a rental, either. He's a restricted free agent this summer, which, as Jones also notes, would give the C's some control over his future.
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 7, 2024 14:42:09 GMT -5
Are we getting Tillman from the Grizzlies??
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2024 14:48:18 GMT -5
Of course using $3.1MM of the TPE means none of these players: I have been starting to take a liking to Nick Richards!
Nick Richards, C, Hornets ($5 million, 3 years): He has benefitted from an injury to Mark Williams to getting starter minutes for the past few weeks. On a reasonable contract so would be a good rim protection insurance policy if injuries hit for a couple of second-round picks.
Saddiq Bey, Hawks ($4.5 million, expiring): The Celtics will get a look at him just before the deadline on Wednesday night at TD Garden. Amid a down season and with the Hawks looking to cut future salary, the team probably wants to get something for him rather than letting him walk if they aren’t cutting money elsewhere.
Andre Drummond, C, Bulls ($3.3 million, expiring): Michael Scotto is reporting the Celtics have already inquired about the center. Whether he would be a big upgrade on Neemias Queta is debatable.
Fontecchio would leave $3.1MM of the TPE for a big like one of these:
Day’Ron Sharpe, C, Nets ($2.2 million, two years): Some terrific advanced stats this year for the Brooklyn backup and the added benefit of a cost controlled second season would probably push up the price. Santi Aldama, PF, Grizzlies ($2.1 million, two years): A stretch big option that is on a terrific deal. This would certainly cost Boston at least one future first round pick but would give the team an alternative look to Luke Kornet as a 3-point shooting option behind Al Horford. Dario Saric, PF, Warriors ($2 million, expiring): If the Warriors elect to lean into more youth and want to save tens of millions in tax penalties, Saric could become available. Xavier Tillman, PF, Grizzlies ($1.9 million, expiring): There will be several bidders for this cheap contract but the Grizzlies certainly will be listening if they aren’t planning on re-signing him this summer. Several second round picks would be the likely cost
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2024 14:51:45 GMT -5
How timely was that post?Fontecchio has been traded to the Pistons and the Celtics have indeed gotten Tillman!Celtics To Acquire Xavier Tillman From Grizzliesby Luke AdamsThe Grizzlies have agreed to trade big man Xavier Tillman to the Celtics, sources tell Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN (Twitter link). According to Wojnarowski (Twitter link), Memphis will receive a pair of second-round draft picks from Boston in the deal: Atlanta’s 2027 second-rounder and Dallas’ 2030 second-rounder. Tillman is in his fourth NBA season and has appeared in 207 total regular season games for Memphis since being drafted 35th overall in 2020. He’s having a down year for the struggling Grizzlies in 2023/24, shooting a career-worst 40.8% from the field, but has been a reliable depth piece in the past, averaging 6.2 points, 4.2 rebounds, and 1.3 assists in 17.1 minutes per game with a .552 FG% in his first three seasons. Tillman emerged as a trade candidate this season because he’s in the final year of his contract and didn’t project to be part of the Grizzlies’ future plans, having not signed a new deal with the club despite having been extension-eligible for the past two seasons. Having fallen out of postseason contention this year, Memphis opted to get what it could for the 25-year-old, adding a couple second-round picks to its collection of draft assets. The injury-plagued club will also open up a spot on its 15-man roster to add a healthy player to replace Tillman, who has missed some time recently due to left knee soreness.
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 7, 2024 14:57:08 GMT -5
Are we getting Tillman from the Grizzlies?? I'm not jumping for joy over this trade, is he better than Brissett?
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2024 15:01:42 GMT -5
He's not a big wing like Brissett. He's a PF/C as insurance behind Luke. We no longer have a roster spot for Queta unless he bundles a few end of bench contracts for 1 contract. Brad could use the remaining $4.3MM for another Wing like your guy Lonnie Walker.
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 7, 2024 15:04:51 GMT -5
He's not a big wing like Brissett. He's a PF/C as insurance behind Luke. We still have a roster spot for Queta if need be and that would open a 2-way or Brad could opt to leave Queta off the PO roster and use the remaining $4.3MM for another Wing like your guy Lonnie Walker. I don't think we used any of the Grant TPE! We had a small TPE for Justin Jackson!
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2024 15:06:35 GMT -5
That's good ... so Bey is still doable but we'd have to open a roster spot by either a 2 for 1 trade or out right waiving someone.
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 7, 2024 15:07:28 GMT -5
Are we getting Tillman from the Grizzlies?? I'm not jumping for joy over this trade, is he better than Brissett? Hes a lot like Brissett in the fact that hes defense first and makes good use of limited tools by staying ready, doing little things. Solid grit guy. Active hands. Undersized for a C, but he prob wont be matching up against starting centers, so thats prob okay,.
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 7, 2024 15:18:16 GMT -5
Now I'm hearing we can't use the Justin Jackson TPE and that Lamar Stevens is part of the trade! Stay tuned!
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Post by Cabutan on Feb 7, 2024 15:25:41 GMT -5
Didnt we talk about Tillman in that draft?
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 7, 2024 15:28:54 GMT -5
Didnt we talk about Tillman in that draft? Yep!
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Post by kdp59 on Feb 7, 2024 15:43:49 GMT -5
Boston sent Stevens to Memphis in the deal also, so none of the Grant TPE was used.
a TPE from the Jackson trade last year was used up and then they get another one for about $2M for Stevens going out.
keep in mind teams over the apron lose any TPE's at the end of the NBA season now. ( July)
I can't find the link that said that now, it may have been taken down
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Post by kdp59 on Feb 7, 2024 15:45:33 GMT -5
Keith Smith @keithsmithnba With Lamar Stevens headed to the Memphis, the math changes on the Xavier Tillman deal for Boston:
-Celtics will use Lamar Stevens as salary-matching for Tillman. (And they'll create a comically small, and unusable TPE for Stevens.)
-Celtics will still have the full Grant Williams TPE of $6.2M
-Boston will still have an open roster spot
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Post by kdp59 on Feb 7, 2024 15:52:49 GMT -5
still have two seconds in next years draft for someone to slide into part of the grant TPE now.
L. Walker has been talked about?
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2024 16:32:59 GMT -5
Per B Robb @ masslive.com
League sources tell MassLive that Boston is likely to make another move ahead of the trade deadline in the wake of the Tillman deal. Brad Stevens has been open about wanting to add more wing depth to the roster and losing Stevens in the Tillman deal could be a sign the team plans to bring in another body at that spot.
Boston still has six future second round draft picks available for trade including two for the 2024 NBA Draft. The team also has three future first round picks among their assets.
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2024 17:18:50 GMT -5
Wings w/ contracts between $4MM to $6MM that fit into the Grant TPE ... Kenrich Williams, Thunder ($6.2 million, 4 years): The Celtics would need to overpay (multiple protected 1sts?) to get the Thunder to consider this option but he would be a terrific option for either forward spot to soak up minutes/provide more depth for the frontcourt. Nickel Alexander-Walker, Wolves ($4.7 million, 2 years): Likely only available if the Wolves are looking to make a bigger splash at this spot in a separate deal. Saddiq Bey, Hawks ($4.5 million, expiring): The Celtics will get a look at him just before the deadline on Wednesday night at TD Garden. Amid a down season and with the Hawks looking to cut future salary, the team probably wants to get something for him rather than letting him walk if they aren’t cutting money elsewhere. Jalen McDaniels, Raptors ($4.5 million, 2 years): Amid a nightmare season for Toronto, he probably wouldn’t cost more than a second round pick. Taurean Prince, Lakers ($4.5 million, expiring): The Lakers have seemingly righted the ship a little bit with a three-game winning streak quieting down trade rumblings. If the Lakers need more draft assets for a bigger fish, the Celtics could try to get involved to land a rental.
Comment: KWill seems like an upgrade to Tillman - another PF type at 3X's the $ ... Alex-Walker & Prince are both on PO teams and unlikely to be moved unless used for upgrades by their current teams ... McDaniels (who I wanted badly a yr or two ago) hasn't developed while in Toronto and can't be relied upon in POs > That leaves Bey and guess who's in Boston tonight?!?!
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