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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2023 16:58:41 GMT -5
C's have just $7mm in cap space available (before breaching the apron and being hard capped) and few options to improve the roster other than keeping Grant for more than the available cap space, letting him walk for more cap space ($8mm cap hold) or a trade for a TPE to be used for one or more players going forward. Aside from that we have the MLE ($5mm) or the BAE ($3.5mm) to fill that $7mm gap and several less than vet minimum TPEs still on the books. We could try trading Brogdon again or even Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser, Kabengele or Champagnie but they won't get us much. Badly in need of a wing to spell Tatum and Brown, if MJ/Hornets decide not to keep Miles Bridges (facing an NBA required suspension for a domestic felony) should he fail to get any offers, should the Celtics S&T Grant to $12mm or so and swap him with CHA for Bridges if MJ will do a similar S&T? Bridges could be the missing piece to spell the Jays and bring home banner #18 ... Voice your opinion with the attached poll.
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Post by cole on Jun 28, 2023 17:20:20 GMT -5
I don't even know what he did so I won't vote. His brother is good lately. Both are way better than Grant.
That's the extent of my bridges knowledge
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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2023 17:54:29 GMT -5
I don't even know what he did so I won't vote. His brother is good lately. Both are way better than Grant. That's the extent of my bridges knowledge
Here: ESPN Story dated 11/3/2022
Charlotte Hornets restricted free agent Miles Bridges pleaded no contest to a felony domestic violence charge Thursday morning in Los Angeles Superior Court and was sentenced to three years of probation, but no jail time, as part of a deal with prosecutors.
The no-contest plea means Bridges, who was present in court, is accepting the punishment and the conviction without formally admitting guilt in the case. Bridges was accused of assaulting his then-girlfriend in front of their two children in May. In July, Los Angeles County District Attorney George Gascon's office filed three felony charges against Bridges, who initially pleaded not guilty to all three.
On Thursday, Bridges' attorney and the DA's office reached an agreement that he plead no contest to one felony count of injuring a child's parent and that the other two counts be dismissed. The felony charges also included "an allegation of causing great bodily injury on the domestic violence victim," and that allegation was dismissed as part of the plea agreement.
The two dismissed counts were charges of child abuse under circumstances or conditions likely to cause great bodily injury or death. The DA's July release said the children were present for the alleged assault but did not otherwise specify what the child abuse counts stemmed from.
During his three-year probation, Bridges, 24, will be required to complete 52 weeks of domestic violence counseling and 52 weeks of parenting classes, serve 100 hours of community service and undergo weekly narcotics testing with marijuana allowed only if there is a valid doctor's prescription. He cannot own any guns, ammunition or any weapons. He also will have to pay a restitution fine of $300 (with a restitution hearing scheduled for Jan. 13) and a domestic violence fine of $500 and obey the terms of a 10-year protective order, staying 100 yards away from and having no contact with the woman. Bridges and the woman maintain custody over their two children, and any visitation or exchange of children must be done peacefully and through a neutral third party.
"We believe this resolution was the best avenue to hold Mr. Bridges accountable for his conduct," the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office said in a statement. "We also understand through the victim's representatives that the victim wanted an expedited resolution of the case. The victim and her representatives were consulted about the proposed resolution and agreed with the outcome of the case."
Bridges' attorney declined comment.
At the moment, Bridges remains unsigned, but if he were to sign with a team, the NBA, under the collective bargaining agreement, has the right to suspend, fine, dismiss or disqualify him from any further association from the league because he pleaded no contest.
NBA Suspension from NYTs:
N.B.A. Commissioner Adam Silver on Tuesday defended the unusual disciplinary approach for forward Miles Bridges, who was suspended for 30 games for domestic violence but will miss just 10 games in which he is eligible to play.
Bridges, 25, was a restricted free agent but did not sign with a team or play during the 2022-23 season after his arrest in California in June, when he was accused of hitting his girlfriend in front of their children. He pleaded no contest to a felony domestic violence charge in November, but it wasn’t until April 14, after a league investigation, that the N.B.A. announced his punishment: a 30-game suspension, with credit for 20 games because he did not play this season. Typically, players are credited for games only when they are eligible and available to play.
On Tuesday, Silver said the league and Bridges had a “mutual agreement” that he would not play during the 2022-23 season — though Silver was careful to say that Bridges was not suspended. Silver said crediting Bridges for 20 games toward the penalty seemed like the right thing to do because he missed a year of income and N.B.A. play. The league also confirmed that Bridges would lose 30 games of pay, even though his suspension would keep him out of just 10 games if he signed a new contract.
But if Bridges’s absence this season was supposed to be a form of punishment, it did not appear that way: In December, he joked around with players in Los Angeles at a game between the Lakers and Charlotte Hornets, whom he played for last season. And in February, he told The Associated Press that he might return to play in March. He was sentenced to a year of counseling, and community service. Representatives for Bridges did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Bridges’s punishment has been criticized by some reporters and by fans on social media.
The fairness and accountability in the N.B.A.’s disciplinary process has been called into question this season after a series of incidents in which players received different punishments for similar offenses, or were punished more severely than they or their peers felt was fair. League officials said they weigh several factors in meting out penalties, including a person’s past behavior, which may lead to different outcomes.
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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2023 18:00:16 GMT -5
I believe a 2nd chance is worthy.
The risk here is that he breaks terms and goes to jail or is suspended again but the reward is huge if he keeps his nose clean!
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Post by cole on Jun 28, 2023 18:05:09 GMT -5
I believe a 2nd chance is worthy. The risk here is that he breaks terms and goes to jail or is suspended again but the reward is huge if he keeps his nose clean! He'll have to take drug tests now
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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2023 18:13:23 GMT -5
Yes so he can only smoke the NBA approved marijuana ... he can't test positive for drugs, have a gun or ammo, get too close to wife and complete terms of probation.
Write into his contract if NBA approves, a violation clause that penalizes his salary if he isn't able to play due to the violation (not health related).
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Post by cole on Jun 28, 2023 18:35:46 GMT -5
Yes so he can only smoke the NBA approved marijuana ... he can't test positive for drugs, have a gun or ammo, get too close to wife and complete terms of probation. Write into his contract if NBA approves, a violation clause that penalizes his salary if he isn't able to play due to the violation (not health related). Even if we didn't have to pay it, I'm sure the nba would count it towards the cap I'm sure his PO won't want him smoking pot either
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 29, 2023 6:34:03 GMT -5
Correction, the Celtics have NO cap space. they are currently over the cap by about $37M over the tax line by around $8M and UNDER the new super-tax line by about $8M they cannot bring in ANY players under a sign and trade as that HARD caps them at around $172M ( hard cap or now called the first cap apron, by some) Boston currently has $173M in total salary's on the books are over that now. they only have the Tax paying MLE ($5M) and vet minimum deals to add players as free agents now the bi-annual is not available as they are over the hard cap apron. www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 29, 2023 8:13:21 GMT -5
Given that Grant Williams seemingly fell out of favor and Boston is staring down a tricky luxury-tax crunch, it’s possible the Celtics won’t be willing to match an offer sheet in the mid-to-high teens. The Cavs are monitoring the situation and Williams likely won’t have as many suitors as fellow restricted free agents Bridges, Johnson, Rui Hachimura or even P.J. Washington. – via Chris Fedor @ Cleveland Plain Dealer Free Agency, Grant Williams, Boston Celtics, Cleveland Cavaliers
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Post by rkarp1 on Jun 29, 2023 8:18:05 GMT -5
Given that Grant Williams seemingly fell out of favor and Boston is staring down a tricky luxury-tax crunch, it’s possible the Celtics won’t be willing to match an offer sheet in the mid-to-high teens. The Cavs are monitoring the situation and Williams likely won’t have as many suitors as fellow restricted free agents Bridges, Johnson, Rui Hachimura or even P.J. Washington. – via Chris Fedor @ Cleveland Plain Dealer Free Agency, Grant Williams, Boston Celtics, Cleveland Cavaliers I would agree. I do expect that we see players that can fill the C's needs not get contracts that they may have expected. some one will come available at a cost the C's can fit. the lure of playing for a ring will help too.
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Post by elvissurfs on Jun 29, 2023 8:36:47 GMT -5
Well, I think everyone deserves a second chance, and the kids need thier dad to get back to work...but maybe we can do better...wait and see...I would rather trade Brogdon anyways...
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Post by kyceltic on Jun 29, 2023 9:42:45 GMT -5
Bridges allegedly choked his girl friend until she passed out, broke her nose, and gave her a concussion, all in front of the kids! Let some other team give him a second chance!
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Post by Admin on Jun 29, 2023 10:57:34 GMT -5
Correction, the Celtics have NO cap space. they are currently over the cap by about $37M over the tax line by around $8M and UNDER the new super-tax line by about $8M they cannot bring in ANY players under a sign and trade as that HARD caps them at around $172M ( hard cap or now called the first cap apron, by some) Boston currently has $173M in total salary's on the books are over that now. they only have the Tax paying MLE ($5M) and vet minimum deals to add players as free agents now the bi-annual is not available as they are over the hard cap apron. www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/
So what do you call the $7mm gap before they go over the apron and become hard capped? I elect to call it cap space for lack of a better term - what do you call it?
But they can bring in a player with a S&T if they don't mind being hard capped this early in the new season. In fact, Grant is included in those cap figures for an $8mm cap hold and if signed for say $13mm then traded for another player at the same or similar amount, the net effect would be adding $4-5mm to that $7-8mm gap before going over the 2nd apron. So if my math is correct it can be done.
Same thing applies to the MLE (for teams above the tax line & cap apron) - they can use them up to but not to go over that $7-8mm gap at the 2nd apron to sign a FA. They did lose the BAE when they breached the tax apron (about $6mm over the tax line).
You are quick to say it can't be done yet you don't explain why when every source that discusses options at their disposal all agree that they have room to sign another player (either by trade or use of the MLE) and more room depending upon the status of Grant and even Brogdon for that matter. My understanding is the MLE (BAE also though useless vs the VM) is not lost until the 2nd apron is breached as B Robb points out in this report:
So what type of swing can the Celtics take on the trade market this summer or into next season? Outside of the Derrick White trade deadline addition in February 2021, Stevens has traditionally made his bigger moves in the offseason when it comes to roster construction. So what type of moves could Boston be debating now? And what type of package could the team put together for a trade?
Potential excess assets available to move:
Malcolm Brogdon ($22.5 million per year through 2024-25 season) Payton Pritchard ($4 million expiring contract) Up to five future first round picks are tradable: (2024 x 2, 2026, 2028 (pick swap with SAS, 2030) Six second round picks including some attractive ones for 2025 and 2026
Big trade swing player to check on
Keldon Johnson: A cost controlled for the present would give Boston plenty of options for long-term building around Jayson Tatum with him signed for the next four years. Would Malcolm Brogdon and three future first round picks catch the Spurs attention? He may be off the market entirely but this is a name worth inquiring on due to his deal.
Wendell Carter Jr.: Another name that probably isn’t on the trade market but worth offering up three first round picks for. Carter Jr. would be a great bridge to the future once Al Horford departs and provide a low-cost insurance option in the present if Grant Williams departs. The Celtics could offer up Brogdon along with three first round picks for him and then look to find another low-cost guard (Monte Morris?) on the trade market along with assets for Grant Williams in a sign-and-trade
Smaller trade swing possibilities that open up other doors
If the Celtics want to retain Grant Williams and maintain spending flexibility without a huge tax bill, moving Brogdon’s contract is the best way to do that smoothly. In that scenario, Boston can try to take back a smaller deal and use their savings to pay Williams and potentially use the taxpayer mid-level exception while steering clear of the second apron.
What type of players could fall in that mold?
One of Wizards guards (Tyus Jones, Monte Morris, Delon Wright): Brogdon is better than all of these players offensively but Washington certainly has a logjam amid their rebuild and will be looking for any value they can get for one of these expiring deals.
Wright’s size at 6-foot-5 is appealing if the Celtics plan on keeping Payton Pritchard in the rotation. If not, Pritchard could be moved in a separate deal to address adding another wing/big.
Nets wings: Dorian Finney-Smith is coming off a down year with the Nets but would be a fine backup on the wing for Tatum/Brown. The same goes for Royce O’Neale, although his value is likely lower as an expiring. Would probably need to find a third team for Brogdon (The Nets don’t want to add salary in all likelihood). A protected future first may be worth the cost here with the fallout from subsequent moves.
Bigs to check in on if Williams leaves
Kelly Olynyk ($12.1 million expiring): Celtics had interest at last year’s deadline per a league source.
Maxi Kleber ($11 million x 3): Would Mavericks consider moving him if the Celtics package draft assets with Williams in a sign-and-trade)?
Larry Nance Jr. ($10 million x 2): A cheaper big option than Williams but would have to involve more moving parts from both sides to make the money work. Pelicans have plenty of cheaper players that should interest C’s as depth players.
Zach Collins ($7.7 million expiring): Injury prone but had a strong bounce-back year in San Antonio on a team friendly deal.
Potential wings via trade
Reggie Bullock (Dallas)
Norm Powell (Clippers)
Gary Trent Jr. (Raptors)
Malik Beasley (Lakers)
Analysis: All of these types of deals would center around Brogdon as the outgoing piece with various levels of draft picks going out and/or coming in depending on the player/contract.
Final Thoughts
A lot of the availability of these players will be dependent on what the plans are for these teams in free agency. As other dominoes fall, opportunities may arise. However, the Celtics have the tools to land almost any player on this list and potentially others depending on how this offseason plays out. Just how aggressive the Celtics elect to be for the present versus the future remains to be seen but Stevens has put himself in position to keep adding when he sees fit.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 29, 2023 11:08:30 GMT -5
There are two hard caps now. You can get capped at 172 by receiving a player on a S+T or using the NTMLE. You get capped at 182.5 using the MLE. But to entertain a S+T (receiving one), the number to get under is 172.
They have 10 players w/ guaranteed contracts - totaling 170M. Which means they another 8M tied up in incomplete roster cap holds.
So thats 178 and includes letting Grant go for only a min contract replacing.
If they replace RWill with Bryant, that saves 6M and gets them down to 173.
Bridges received a QO , meaning no way you can s+t him for anything less than 8M. Because he can just accept the QO for 8M.
Which means its just not doable without salary dumping Brogdon. If we do that, and keep RWIll (instead using the MLE on a Brog replacement, lets say Schroeder). Then they save 17.5 going from Brog -> Schroeder). So that would put us at 10 players and 152.5. If getting Bridges, we'd only have 4 cap holds for incomplete roster spot, so 6-7M. So that would put us at about 160, and we could theoretically do a s+T for about 10M.
So 1. Bridges would have to agree to a S+T for 10M 2. We'd have to dump Brog (but would get an MLE back). 3. Have a player who pleaded no contest for a lot of ugly charges and will be suspended for 10 games
Or we could avoid using the MLE , giving a little more we can offer to Bridges in the S+T.
But its just too much when you consider the downstream implications.
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Post by cole on Jun 29, 2023 11:08:47 GMT -5
Bridges allegedly choked his girl friend until she passed out, broke her nose, and gave her a concussion, all in front of the kids! Let some other team give him a second chance! That's what I wanted to know right there
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 29, 2023 11:10:05 GMT -5
Correction, the Celtics have NO cap space. they are currently over the cap by about $37M over the tax line by around $8M and UNDER the new super-tax line by about $8M they cannot bring in ANY players under a sign and trade as that HARD caps them at around $172M ( hard cap or now called the first cap apron, by some) Boston currently has $173M in total salary's on the books are over that now. they only have the Tax paying MLE ($5M) and vet minimum deals to add players as free agents now the bi-annual is not available as they are over the hard cap apron. www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/
So what do you call the $7mm gap before they go over the apron and become hard capped? I elect to call it cap space for lack of a better term - what do you call it?
But they can bring in a player with a S&T if they don't mind being hard capped this early in the new season. In fact, Grant is included in those cap figures for an $8mm cap hold and if signed for say $13mm then traded for another player at the same or similar amount, the net effect would be adding $4-5mm to that $7-8mm gap before going over the apron. So if my math is correct it can be done.
Same thing applies to the MLE & BAE - they can use them up to but not to go over that $7-8mm gap to sign a FA.
You are quick to say it can't be done yet you don't explain why when every source that discusses options at their disposal all agree that they have room to sign another player (either by trade or use of the MLE) and more room depending upon the status of Grant and even Brogdon for that matter.
Its because if you receive a player on a S+T (or use the NTMLE) the hard-cap goes from 182.5 to 172.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 29, 2023 11:18:16 GMT -5
To clarify because all this is confusing: there are three "hard cap" statuses
1. Get capped at 172 (use the NTMLE, the bi-annual exception, or receive a player via Sign and trade) 2. Get capped at 182.5 (use the MLE, but cant: use the NTMLE, the biannual exception, or receive a player via s+t) 3. No hard cap - do not use the MLE, NTMLE, bi-annual exception also cannot recieve a player via S+T
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 29, 2023 11:27:30 GMT -5
If they really wanted Bridges, the best way to do it would be through an RFA offer. Becuase if he accepts an RFA offer and the Hornets do not match, there is NO hard cap triggered (but they would subsequently trigger the 182.5 hard cap if they also used the MLE on a diff player).
If they plan to use the MLE - they could only offer Bridges like 10-12M and I think Hornets match. If they say f it (and I do believe the pitfalls of being above the super apron are overblown) and do NOT use the MLE at all, then they can offer Bridges as much as they want. Hornets may not match 19M. But again, then we cant trade a first 7 years out (who cares), use the MLE (already known and accepted casualty), and wont be able to get buyout players (unlikely to get playoff minutes anyways).
You could still S+T Grant away. You could even still keep Grant (match the offer he receives) and Brogdon (cuz no hard cap). So this is the route I would go, but its me spending Wycs money. Our payroll if we retained Grant, Brogdon, and Bridges (obtained through RFA contract) would be roughly 210M. If we didnt retain Grant (not matching an RFA offer or S+T him for very little money coming back), our payroll would be around 195M
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Post by Admin on Jun 29, 2023 11:40:00 GMT -5
So both the S&T and use of the MLE initiates the hard cap at $182.5mm ...
So let's say you're at $178mm now.
You leave 1-2 roster spots open and fill the mandatory 13 spots with vet or rookie minimum types that don't count toward the cap.
Your final trade is to receive a S&T (say Bridges for $8mm) ... then you are hard capped but you are at $186mm. Is the excess allowed or to do the S&T must it be under the $182.5 cap figure first?
and as a 2nd example:
You are at $175mm with $7.5mm in space before hitting the hard cap figure ... so you can use the MLE up to $7.5mm but of course it is only worth $5mm but you have access to that unless you've already done a S&T.
What I don't understand is this:
We are at $175mm say - does that mean we can't receive a S&T player up to $182.5mm since the hard cap is below our current team payroll?
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Post by Admin on Jun 29, 2023 11:46:41 GMT -5
If they really wanted Bridges, the best way to do it would be through an RFA offer. Becuase if he accepts an RFA offer and the Hornets do not match, there is NO hard cap triggered (but they would subsequently trigger the 182.5 hard cap if they also used the MLE on a diff player). If they plan to use the MLE - they could only offer Bridges like 10-12M and I think Hornets match. If they say f it (and I do believe the pitfalls of being above the super apron are overblown) and do NOT use the MLE at all, then they can offer Bridges as much as they want. Hornets may not match 19M. But again, then we cant trade a first 7 years out (who cares), use the MLE (already known and accepted casualty), and wont be able to get buyout players (unlikely to get playoff minutes anyways). You could still S+T Grant away. You could even still keep Grant (match the offer he receives) and Brogdon (cuz no hard cap). So this is the route I would go, but its me spending Wycs money. Our payroll if we retained Grant, Brogdon, and Bridges (obtained through RFA contract) would be roughly 210M. If we didnt retain Grant (not matching an RFA offer or S+T him for very little money coming back), our payroll would be around 195M
Yeah, that's what I was estimating - $210mm (not sure of the tax bill taking repeater tax into account) but worth it for the next season and maybe two seasons until both Jays are on SuperMax deals.
Who cares about being hard capped and locked into picks you will need going forward if the roster for the next couple years is loaded and a high level contender for 1 or even 2 banners!
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 29, 2023 11:47:06 GMT -5
So both the S&T and use of the MLE initiates the hard cap at $182.5mm ... No, the S&T would hard cap you at a lower number (172M). Using the MLE hard caps you at 182.5M
So let's say you're at $178mm now. You leave 1-2 roster spots open and fill the mandatory 13 spots with vet or rookie minimum types that don't count toward the cap. Your final trade is to receive a S&T (say Bridges for $8mm) ... then you are hard capped but you are at $186mm. Is the excess allowed or to do the S&T must it be under the $182.5 cap figure first? No, cant do this. You cant make a move that hard caps you over the hard cap number and then be hard-capped thereon. For example, if you have 179M, you cant use the MLE becaues that would hard cap you at 184 (over the 182.5).and as a 2nd example: You are at $175mm with $7.5mm in space before hitting the hard cap figure ... so you can use the MLE up to $7.5mm but of course it is only worth $5mm but you have access to that unless you've already done a S&T. If you are at 175M and sign a player to the MLE. You are at 180M and hard capped at 182.5. You can pick up another 2.5M in salary in a trade but it cant be a player who you are receiving via S+T because that would hard cap you at 172MWhat I don't understand is this: We are at $175mm say - does that mean we can't receive a S&T player up to $182.5mm since the hard cap is $172mm and we are already above that figure? Cant receive a S+T player at all if it brings your cap above 172M (including the salary of the player being acquired)
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 29, 2023 11:49:16 GMT -5
If they really wanted Bridges, the best way to do it would be through an RFA offer. Becuase if he accepts an RFA offer and the Hornets do not match, there is NO hard cap triggered (but they would subsequently trigger the 182.5 hard cap if they also used the MLE on a diff player). If they plan to use the MLE - they could only offer Bridges like 10-12M and I think Hornets match. If they say f it (and I do believe the pitfalls of being above the super apron are overblown) and do NOT use the MLE at all, then they can offer Bridges as much as they want. Hornets may not match 19M. But again, then we cant trade a first 7 years out (who cares), use the MLE (already known and accepted casualty), and wont be able to get buyout players (unlikely to get playoff minutes anyways). You could still S+T Grant away. You could even still keep Grant (match the offer he receives) and Brogdon (cuz no hard cap). So this is the route I would go, but its me spending Wycs money. Our payroll if we retained Grant, Brogdon, and Bridges (obtained through RFA contract) would be roughly 210M. If we didnt retain Grant (not matching an RFA offer or S+T him for very little money coming back), our payroll would be around 195M
Yeah, that's what I was estimating - $210mm (not sure of the tax bill taking repeater tax into account) but worth it for the next season and maybe two seasons until both Jays are on SuperMax deals.
Who cares about being hard capped and locked into picks you will need going forward if the roster for the next couple years is loaded and a high level contender for 1 or even 2 banners!
I would support this. Miles Bridges is very good. Just cant get him via S+T. Have to make an RFO offer the Hornets wont match. Then cant use the MLE , get players on buyouts, or trade firsts 7 years out. But if they want to "lock in" current roster with Bridges for 2 years and are willing to pay penalties, theres no hard cap/max. So yes, possible.
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Post by Admin on Jun 29, 2023 12:08:49 GMT -5
Bridges could be the most talented player available no matter what means is employed to improve the roster. Not many players will be coming into the market that can improve the roster as much as him other than a J Murray PG type.
I understand the controversy over signing someone accused of domestic violence but I also remember when Jason Kidd was charged with a similar act and peeps have lived with it and he continued on and nobody remembers any more.
I say "Get Miles Bridges!"
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 29, 2023 12:21:43 GMT -5
"You leave 1-2 roster spots open and fill the mandatory 13 spots with vet or rookie minimum types that don't count toward the cap."
all players signed COUNT against the cap, there is only a lower number used for older vets on minimum deal ( I don't think they changed that), but the numbers still count (even if lower than the amount signed) see Blake last year who signed for around 2.9m and only counted 1.9M or so on the cap.
Drew is spot on about there being TWO aprons now with different rules. But brining in a player in a sign and trade hard caps you at the LOWER apron, which boston is already over ( or would be after signing that player).
not gonna happen.
you keep saying I say things I never did. I fully understand the Celtics have ONLY the MLE and vet minimums To add FREE AGENTS.
you seem to think there is some way they can skirt the rules and do things they cannot.
I never said Boston couldn't trade players and take back less salary to free up other moves.
you seem to get pissed when someone shows what you said can't happen. Thicker skin man
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 29, 2023 12:30:51 GMT -5
If they really wanted Bridges, the best way to do it would be through an RFA offer. Becuase if he accepts an RFA offer and the Hornets do not match, there is NO hard cap triggered (but they would subsequently trigger the 182.5 hard cap if they also used the MLE on a diff player). If they plan to use the MLE - they could only offer Bridges like 10-12M and I think Hornets match. If they say f it (and I do believe the pitfalls of being above the super apron are overblown) and do NOT use the MLE at all, then they can offer Bridges as much as they want. Hornets may not match 19M. But again, then we cant trade a first 7 years out (who cares), use the MLE (already known and accepted casualty), and wont be able to get buyout players (unlikely to get playoff minutes anyways). You could still S+T Grant away. You could even still keep Grant (match the offer he receives) and Brogdon (cuz no hard cap). So this is the route I would go, but its me spending Wycs money. Our payroll if we retained Grant, Brogdon, and Bridges (obtained through RFA contract) would be roughly 210M. If we didnt retain Grant (not matching an RFA offer or S+T him for very little money coming back), our payroll would be around 195M hmmm.. you have to have the cap space to make a RFA offer. www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/$173M now with 11 players signed, they can sign grant to anything they want and keep him, but they cannot offer another RFA anything due to being over the cap. they only have the TP-MLE and vet minimums for outside free agents.Lets say they Re-sign grant at $13M next year. Boston would have 12 players and $186M in salary. one more vet minimum guy makes it $188 and maybe the rookie sticks putting them around $190 or so. its all right there at the link. to be CLEAR. Boston is already over the hard cap apron which is usually $7m above the now first tax line. which would be $172M. They cannot sign someone in a sign and trade OR used the Bi annual exception and be hard capped if they are over the hard cap...LOL
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