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Post by cole on May 11, 2023 10:41:16 GMT -5
I also would NOT pay $63M for a 36YO Dame myself. IF they make big move it should be to get younger and cheaper, IMO. Going with a youth movement does not make sense to me with Tatum entering his prime. if this is his prime, I hate to see him when he's past his prime.
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 11, 2023 10:55:55 GMT -5
Colin Cowbell proposed this trade:
GSW- Brown and Brogdon BOS - Wiggins and Poole.
Not a fan of Poole myself, I think they get the better player, so I don't really like it
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Post by drewski6 on May 11, 2023 11:04:16 GMT -5
Going with a youth movement does not make sense to me with Tatum entering his prime. if this is his prime, I hate to see him when he's past his prime. He just turned 25. Next year is his age 25 season. Prime is generally considered 26-30. Hes not in his prime, he's pre-prime. He finished fourth in MVP.
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Post by sfbosfan on May 11, 2023 11:41:10 GMT -5
Naturally, we need win the next 2 games before being concerned about an opponent. Can we be ahead the whole game as was Golden State...of course, they were on their court. Warriors are similar to us with no big man but are a fast paced team Curry and Klay supposedly are the equivalent of Tatum & Brown but Curry was truly dominant in the last 2 games that beat us. The Lakers would be tough because Davis would do to us what Embiid is doing...rebounds, scoring both in the post and short 4-5 foot perimeter shots...and not easy for us to drive to the basket with his defense. Then, there is LeBron...Celtic killer while in Cleveland & Miami. Yup, right now I'd be happy to face them(hate the Lakers with or without LeBron same as the Yankees) and we are down 2 games but it would be a dagger for LeBron to beat us again.
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Post by Admin on May 11, 2023 13:02:06 GMT -5
why do you feel we would have to extend Brown before we trade him? he is under contract for next season, the super max would start the following year. would the super max be off the table if he is traded or does it follow as an option the same as bird rights? I have yet to find an explanation on this to be honest. I believe only we can offer him the supermax. If he does not sign it this off-season, then he becomes a UFA after next year. And, if he moves to another team, I think the supermax is off the table. I could be wrong, but I don't think so
Tatum, who averaged career-highs with 30.1 points, 8.8 rebounds, and 4.6 assists per game, earned first-team honors and will be eligible to sign his five-year, $318 million extension in June 2024.
[Admin note: he only has 6yrs svc - needs 7 or 2 All-NBAs in 3 yrs to qualify - now has 2 All-NBAs]
Brown, who averaged a career-high 25.3 points per game, earned second-team honors and is eligible to sign his five-year, $295 million supermax extension this summer.
Once a Max deal is signed that player cannot be traded for 1 yr.
If traded before a Max Deal is signed the player must wait 6 mos before signing an extension.
As a FA, he can only sign an extension for 4 yrs and 30% of total team salary vs 5yrs & 35% under the Super Max
Hoops Rumors Glossary: Designated Veteran Extension August 29th 2018 at 2:52pm CST by Luke Adams
The NBA’s maximum salary is determined by a player’s years of NBA experience. Players with between zero and six seasons under their belts are eligible for a starting salary worth up to 25% of the salary cap. That figures increases to 30% for players with seven to nine years of NBA experience, and to 35% for players with 10+ years of service.
However, there are certain scenarios in which a player can be entitled to a higher maximum salary than his years of service dictate. When a player who would normally qualify for the 30% max becomes eligible for a starting salary worth up to 35% of the cap before he gains 10+ years of NBA experience, he can sign a Designated Veteran Extension.
A player who has seven or eight years of NBA service with one or two years left on his contract becomes eligible for a Designated Veteran Extension if he meets the required performance criteria.
Here's the reference to a Traded Player and the SuperMax:
Speaking of that performance criteria, here’s what it looks like. At least one of the following must be a true for a player to be eligible for a Designated Veteran Extension:
*He was named to an All-NBA team in the most recent season, or in two of the last three seasons.
*He was named NBA MVP in any of the three most recent seasons.
*He was named NBA Defensive Player of the Year in the most recent season, or in two of the last three seasons.
Given the exclusivity of the MVP and Defensive Player of the Year awards, players typically qualify for the Designated Veteran Extension by earning All-NBA nods. For instance, before the Spurs traded him to Toronto, Leonard was eligible to sign a Designated Veteran Extension with San Antonio since he had been named to the All-NBA teams in 2016 and 2017.
Here are a few other rules related to Designated Veteran Extensions:
* Even if a player qualifies for a Designated Veteran Extension, his team isn’t obligated to start its extension offer at 35% of the cap. The player is eligible for a salary up to that amount, but the exact amount is still a matter for the two sides to negotiate.
* A Designated Veteran Extension can’t exceed six years, including the number of years left on the player’s contract. So if a player signs a Designated Veteran Extension when he has two years left on his current contract, he could tack on four new years to that deal.
* A player signing a Designated Veteran contract as a free agent can’t sign for more than five years.
* A team can carry no more than two players on Designated Veteran contracts at a time, including no more than one who has been acquired in a trade.
* A Designated Veteran Extension can only be signed between the end of the July moratorium and the last day before the start of the regular season.
* If a player signs a Designated Veteran Extension, he is ineligible to be traded for one year.
Jaylen Brown / Jayson Tatum (Celtics)
Brown has never made an All-NBA team, but he was an All-Star in 2021 and received All-NBA votes in 2022, so he could very well be in the mix in 2023.
Brown’s situation is an interesting one — he’s unlikely to sign a standard contract extension before reaching free agency because the maximum raise (20%) on his 2023/24 salary ($30,723,214) would fall well short of his projected maximum salary for the 2024/25 season as a free agent.
Meeting the super-max criteria would change that equation, making Brown eligible for a far more substantial raise on a DVE. But would the Celtics be willing to commit to a five-year super-max contract for their second-best player? The NBA hasn’t issued a cap projection for ’24/25 yet, but if we assume a $143MM cap (a $10MM bump on the projected $133MM cap for ’23/24), a five-year DVE that begins in 2024 would be worth $290MM+.
Tatum, meanwhile, made the All-NBA First Team in 2022, putting him in a very good position to maximize his earnings.
Because he’ll only have six years of NBA service under his belt at the end of the 2022/23 season, Tatum won’t have enough experience to sign a super-max extension next offseason. But if he makes another All-NBA team, he will have met the performance criteria, having earned All-NBA honors in two of the three years before he gains the necessary service time for a DVE.
That’s what happened with Jokic — he met the performance criteria in 2021, but couldn’t sign his super-max extension until he met the service time criteria in 2022. Another strong season from Tatum could put the Celtics forward in the same boat.
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Post by Cabutan on May 11, 2023 13:41:22 GMT -5
I like Nick Nurse personally. I can't forget him coaching the pants off of Brad Stevens in the bubble. I hate how Nick complaints to the refs though. BUT to his credit, his guys overachieved post Kwahi. They competed at all times.
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Post by DaCeltics on May 11, 2023 16:04:03 GMT -5
We are sitting in this position right now because Mazulla helped them lose game 1 and 5. JMO
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Post by Admin on May 11, 2023 18:02:41 GMT -5
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Post by kdp59 on May 12, 2023 6:41:45 GMT -5
Well, if one of them has to go, I'd love to hear what opinions are as to who we could get. Neither has to go. We have two top 10 players in the NBA both entering their prime. A lot of the one needs to go theorizers are basing their opinion on dated views of the NBA (e.g. true, rigid, positions). Theres obviously room on this team for JB who is an elite on ball defender and a penetrator along with JT. The exception to this is KDP. He doesnt think one needs to go becaues "they are both SF" like I hear a lot. Hes more in the "one has to go cuz ownership is too cheap to pay both"....But KAT wouldnt make sense here, neither would Dame because they make a ton also. And I dont buy (no offense) that ownership wont pay them both. The personnel has had more success this year and last then most teams. Should we fall short tonight, Im in the camp of yeah , that sucks. But I wouldnt knee jerk break up our best players due to frustration. That feels reactionary to me, personally. Its not so much that the owners are cheap ( they are, LOL) but the new CBA rules will make it very hard on a team that has two super max players. When Both Tatum and Brown are under super max deals they will take up around $110m in salary cap space alone. The team will be a super tax team then and have no MLE and limited trade rules to ADD talent. only having draft picks and vet minimum deals to replace players like Horford, Gallo and Brogdon in a year or two will hollow out the team, IMO. (any team that becomes a super tax team) I do NOT expect Brown to be traded to be honest, but I could understand why the team would feel the need to get some younger (and cheaper) talent here to keep having an elite ball club longer term. However since Tatum's super max is a year or more away, that decision is likely 2-3 years out now.
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Post by kdp59 on May 12, 2023 7:07:35 GMT -5
why do you feel we would have to extend Brown before we trade him? he is under contract for next season, the super max would start the following year. would the super max be off the table if he is traded or does it follow as an option the same as bird rights? I have yet to find an explanation on this to be honest. I believe only we can offer him the supermax. If he does not sign it this off-season, then he becomes a UFA after next year. And, if he moves to another team, I think the supermax is off the table. I could be wrong, but I don't think so that seems to be correct. www.spotrac.com/news/next-contract-series-jaylen-brown-1572/#:~:text=Because%20Jaylen%20Brown%20is%20now,four%20years%20via%20Veteran%20Extension. One last thing, but it’s really, really important: The Designated Veteran Extension or Contract is only available to Brown from the Celtics. If he’s traded to another team, he’s no longer eligible to sign a Designated Veteran Extension or Contract with that team. If Brown signed a Designated Veteran Extension or Contract, he’d also be ineligible to be traded for one year. _____________________________________________________________________________________
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Post by kivancb on May 12, 2023 7:14:17 GMT -5
I'm very disappointed to find out that the new CBA has not fixed this very problem with supermax contracts:
The difference between the supermax and normal max should NOT count against the salary cap. If you don't do this, then you're basically penalizing the team who has grown its own star talent!
Optional addition from me: If the player with the supermax contract is traded, his supermax turns to a normal max!
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