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Post by Cabutan on May 1, 2023 22:08:57 GMT -5
I hate Mazzulla as a coach. That's my definite answer. I want a new coach next season period. Win or lose Me too. He's certainly not bright or experienced.... Just one problem... He's not in charge just following Stevens orders... Sox won again with a team riddled with injuries. . They have a manager who shaves. this to me has to be the most boring successful Celtics team I have ever watched. Ever. Is just a shooting show. No aggressiveness. Just outscore opponents. Horrible.
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Post by dfries13 on May 1, 2023 22:51:15 GMT -5
Chew on this. I'm pretty high i admit but..........
Grant played in 79 games this season averaged over 24 minutes.
In 6 playoff games he only played 3 for a total of just 36 minutes..
Now i hate Grant but is Stevens with Mzzz' help cutting his playing time and contributions to lower his contract demands???
You think Grant is happy and will forget this? Think again.
Conspiracy con Timmy......
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Post by Cabutan on May 1, 2023 23:01:29 GMT -5
Chew on this. I'm pretty high i admit but.......... Grant played in 79 games this season averaged over 24 minutes. In 6 playoff games he only played 3 for a total of just 36 minutes.. Now i hate Grant but is Stevens with Mzzz' help cutting his playing time and contributions to lower his contract demands??? You think Grant is happy and will forget this? Think again. Conspiracy con Timmy...... 💯
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Post by puddin on May 2, 2023 5:43:23 GMT -5
Wow rip Gordon Lightfoot Seems appropriate: You beat me to it..... Gordy's best song ever!
Pud
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Post by puddin on May 2, 2023 6:14:03 GMT -5
Chew on this. I'm pretty high i admit but.......... Grant played in 79 games this season averaged over 24 minutes. In 6 playoff games he only played 3 for a total of just 36 minutes.. Now i hate Grant but is Stevens with Mzzz' help cutting his playing time and contributions to lower his contract demands??? You think Grant is happy and will forget this? Think again. Conspiracy con Timmy...... DISCLAIMER: I'm as sober as a judge this morning.... but let's keep it simple.
Instead of cutting off their nose to spite their face by trying to drive down contract demands in the middle of a championship drive, maybe management has simply grown to dislike GWill's game too and are ready to move on.
Maybe they are not excited about signing him at any price and will trade him or simply let him walk, whichever is easier.
Maybe Celtic management has been reading your posts in this obscure forum...
... and have finally seem the light.
Hmmmmmmm.....
Pud
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Post by cole on May 2, 2023 6:33:45 GMT -5
Wow rip Gordon Lightfoot Seems appropriate: You beat me to it..... Gordy's best song ever!
Pud
This song really grabs me. Even when I was 6
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Post by drewski6 on May 2, 2023 7:44:24 GMT -5
Embiid may might them worse, if they start going inside more. Mazz is right, now idea why we didnt shoot more 3's. And gave up so many open 3's.
Basketball is about the 3 ball. Going for 2, you just cant keep up against a hot shooting team getting looks.
The biggest problem, was obviously defending the 3 pt line.
Let them go inside to Embiid. Going for 2s is for suckers.
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 2, 2023 8:10:27 GMT -5
Got to remember Hedley ... Mazz switched the team from Defensive minded under Udoka to an Offensive philosophy he installed to outscore our opponents. Since he took over, it's been all about pace & scoring with little to no concern for defense other than rebounding and rim protection when Rob is in there. Well, I did reference the offense. I said they took more threes than we did, and shot at a higher percentage. Flies in the face of the Mazz mindset. I will add they defended the 3 better than we did. I still think we win the series, but we make it hard on ourselves. I re-iterate, I would not play Embiid in the next game.
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Post by dfries13 on May 2, 2023 9:02:45 GMT -5
Chew on this. I'm pretty high i admit but.......... Grant played in 79 games this season averaged over 24 minutes. In 6 playoff games he only played 3 for a total of just 36 minutes.. Now i hate Grant but is Stevens with Mzzz' help cutting his playing time and contributions to lower his contract demands??? You think Grant is happy and will forget this? Think again. Conspiracy con Timmy...... DISCLAIMER: I'm as sober as a judge this morning.... but let's keep it simple.
Instead of cutting off their nose to spite their face by trying to drive down contract demands in the middle of a championship drive, maybe management has simply grown to dislike GWill's game too and are ready to move on.
Maybe they are not excited about signing him at any price and will trade him or simply let him walk, whichever is easier.
Maybe Celtic management has been reading your posts in this obscure forum...
... and have finally seem the light.
Hmmmmmmm.....
Pud
I'm sober too was lying about being high last night Who is high? maybe who said Embiid makes them worse . No one in the Celtic organization reads my posts i'm quite sure. Upside to cut Grant minutes... A sign and trade is now a realistic option.. He's pissed as hell with his lack of time. Me i like dirty tricks and hate Grant so i'm overjoyed.
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Post by petey62 on May 2, 2023 9:27:39 GMT -5
At some point, Mazzulla has to devise a plan on defense.
We cannot so easily make a switch without even trying to get through the screen.
We cannot continue to GIVE Harden the matchup of his choosing - Al Horford. We made literally no adjustments. We defended Harden in the 1st quarter the same way we defended him on the final possession. Philly sought out Horford and we did nothing to adjust to it.
Why did Smart go so early on our final possession?
Why was Brogdon passing back out when the shot clock was just about to expire? He had to take the shot!
Why does Grant play in 79 games but cannot play in the playoffs?
Why does JB attempt ONLY 10 shots? Scores 14 in the 1st quarter and takes 3 more shots in the next three quarters.
So much went on that made no sense about this game.
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Post by dfries13 on May 2, 2023 9:31:35 GMT -5
Packing today so i've got no time for this BS about Mazz being right. How do you win war? Take away other armys best or only weapon. Mazz and the Celtics are predictable..Too predictable Rivers was smart for once he took away our best and only weapon. .The 3 pt shot. We have no other weapon available.. Stevens and Mazz's one trick pony was exposed and the team simply had no experience on resolving..
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 2, 2023 11:51:03 GMT -5
What upsets me the most is the lack of IQ. PJ Tucker played 37 minutes and didn't score a point. His sub, Jalen McDaniels, played the other 11 minutes, also without scoring. Can't we figure that crap out? Double team Harden and let Tucker or McDaniels beat us. I would also, if he insists on keeping Smart (yes, he's off my list) on the floor in crunch time, want to see an offense and defense sub with White and Brogdon. White is a better defender, although Brogdon did, literally, throw the game away.
I would also consider Rob for Al.............I think Rob needs to be out there on D in crunch time.
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Post by drewski6 on May 2, 2023 12:07:23 GMT -5
So Im seeing some passive aggressive shots being taken at me (what else is new?) and some takes that I disagree with.
1. They took away our best weapon the 3. We shot nearly 38.5% from 3, on 10 made off 26 attempts. 38.5% is a fine number, 26 attempts is not. So its not that they took them away, its that we werent going for them at our usual rate. 2. I cant help but think no Embiid - this is why our 3pt attempts were low. At least a large part of the reason. I understand, theyre without Embiid - so lets pound em inside...But when they are red hot from 3, and youre getting 2 on trips down and theyre answering w a 3 - they are scoring 50% more than you on each possession. Thats going to add up and it did. 3. With Embiid in the game, he also takes 3s and youd prob rather have him shooting them than Harden. So, I can see how going Embiid-less was a trap. It made Harden take more shots. ANd it caused us to go inside more. We scored with a very high efficiency. Make after make. But too many 2s and we couldnt keep up with all their 3s. Not saying Embiid is bad, just saying his absence had some hidden benefits for them. 4. I was happy to hear Mazz say we didnt take enough 3s. Cuz we didnt. Makes me also think this go for 2 strategy was not his. Not to say he was great. 5. The reason I wouldnt say Mazz was great (agree w petey) was because of the 3 pt perimeter defense. I have no idea where this notion that defense means stopping the 2 comes from. Its also defending against the 3. Al played drop the whole game (meaning retreat to the basket for rim defense). RWill jsut cant at all cover the perimeter. SO not sure how him playing more or in more crucial minutes would help.
We got 3'd to death. When teams are doing that, no amount of 2s will save you. Generally people here dont like the 3. But nobody is realizing that this may be an ill-informed point of view. Instead, its passive agressive shots at each other and wanting more inside defense/play when we got smoked by the 3.
First and foremost, we need to play better perimeter defense and not give so many open 3s. Secondly, we need to launch more 3s of our own.
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Post by Cabutan on May 2, 2023 12:42:25 GMT -5
So Im seeing some passive aggressive shots being taken at me (what else is new?) and some takes that I disagree with. 1. They took away our best weapon the 3. We shot nearly 38.5% from 3, on 10 made off 26 attempts. 38.5% is a fine number, 26 attempts is not. So its not that they took them away, its that we werent going for them at our usual rate. 2. I cant help but think no Embiid - this is why our 3pt attempts were low. At least a large part of the reason. I understand, theyre without Embiid - so lets pound em inside...But when they are red hot from 3, and youre getting 2 on trips down and theyre answering w a 3 - they are scoring 50% more than you on each possession. Thats going to add up and it did. 3. With Embiid in the game, he also takes 3s and youd prob rather have him shooting them than Harden. So, I can see how going Embiid-less was a trap. It made Harden take more shots. ANd it caused us to go inside more. We scored with a very high efficiency. Make after make. But too many 2s and we couldnt keep up with all their 3s. Not saying Embiid is bad, just saying his absence had some hidden benefits for them. 4. I was happy to hear Mazz say we didnt take enough 3s. Cuz we didnt. Makes me also think this go for 2 strategy was not his. Not to say he was great. 5. The reason I wouldnt say Mazz was great (agree w petey) was because of the 3 pt perimeter defense. I have no idea where this notion that defense means stopping the 2 comes from. Its also defending against the 3. Al played drop the whole game (meaning retreat to the basket for rim defense). RWill jsut cant at all cover the perimeter. SO not sure how him playing more or in more crucial minutes would help. We got 3'd to death. When teams are doing that, no amount of 2s will save you. Generally people here dont like the 3. But nobody is realizing that this may be an ill-informed point of view. Instead, its passive agressive shots at each other and wanting more inside defense/play when we got smoked by the 3. First and foremost, we need to play better perimeter defense and not give so many open 3s. Secondly, we need to launch more 3s of our own. yea it's a numbers game. 2 and 3s. But, if you make them that is. If you have shooters. Do we? I don't think so. We have inconsistent shooters. So some days we will win some, some days we will lose some. Defend either the two or the 3 on those low games will set us free. Trying to outscore a better shooting team, good luck with that.
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Post by Cabutan on May 2, 2023 12:45:52 GMT -5
This is the first time in my life that I keep hearing how bad playing defense is. First for any sport. Is it because some of us here want to really believe is that bad to defend to sort of justify our playing style? Or is it really that bad to play D because it tires our guys? Trying to make sense to it all myself. 🤔 Even Horford said something along the lines of how bad defensively they were.
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Post by dfries13 on May 2, 2023 12:58:20 GMT -5
So Im seeing some passive aggressive shots being taken at me (what else is new?) and some takes that I disagree with. 1. They took away our best weapon the 3. We shot nearly 38.5% from 3, on 10 made off 26 attempts. 38.5% is a fine number, 26 attempts is not. So its not that they took them away, its that we werent going for them at our usual rate. 2. I cant help but think no Embiid - this is why our 3pt attempts were low. At least a large part of the reason. I understand, theyre without Embiid - so lets pound em inside...But when they are red hot from 3, and youre getting 2 on trips down and theyre answering w a 3 - they are scoring 50% more than you on each possession. Thats going to add up and it did. 3. With Embiid in the game, he also takes 3s and youd prob rather have him shooting them than Harden. So, I can see how going Embiid-less was a trap. It made Harden take more shots. ANd it caused us to go inside more. We scored with a very high efficiency. Make after make. But too many 2s and we couldnt keep up with all their 3s. Not saying Embiid is bad, just saying his absence had some hidden benefits for them. 4. I was happy to hear Mazz say we didnt take enough 3s. Cuz we didnt. Makes me also think this go for 2 strategy was not his. Not to say he was great. 5. The reason I wouldnt say Mazz was great (agree w petey) was because of the 3 pt perimeter defense. I have no idea where this notion that defense means stopping the 2 comes from. Its also defending against the 3. Al played drop the whole game (meaning retreat to the basket for rim defense). RWill jsut cant at all cover the perimeter. SO not sure how him playing more or in more crucial minutes would help. We got 3'd to death. When teams are doing that, no amount of 2s will save you. Generally people here dont like the 3. But nobody is realizing that this may be an ill-informed point of view. Instead, its passive agressive shots at each other and wanting more inside defense/play when we got smoked by the 3. First and foremost, we need to play better perimeter defense and not give so many open 3s. Secondly, we need to launch more 3s of our own. The 76ers are not a better team without Embidd totally destroyed all and any comments you have made. Sorry.
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Post by Admin on May 2, 2023 13:52:45 GMT -5
They may not be better but they do have a completely different game philosophy ... one of pace and spacing that you seldom see when Embiid is the focus of their offense. Did Mazz have us prepared for a quicker pace (they have younger legs other than Harden/PJ) and prepared to defend the spacing? Why wasn't White in there in Q4 crunch time. He went to the bench at the 8 minute mark and never returned! BTW, that lineup change was the only one Mazz made in Q4: Celtics lineup change (Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Malcolm Brogdon, Marcus Smart, Al Horford) Doc, on the other hand, changed his lineup 7 times in Q4 ... I think their philosophy of "take what the opponent gives you" was a rope-a-dope by Doc that Mazz was fooled into with such easy scoring in the paint. That would have been fine had he offset their scoring with better defense of the perimeter which meant less Horford and more White ... whatever happened to small ball. Even Grant would have been better!
Doc also went to zone defense that always seems to frustrate our offense.
And finally, TOVs ... 16 Celtic turnovers to what, 6 for Sixers?
UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Admin on May 2, 2023 13:56:21 GMT -5
Much of the blame goes to the wreck of the Joseph Mazzulla:
RIP Gordon
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Post by dfries13 on May 2, 2023 14:02:56 GMT -5
Celtics guard throws Joe Mazzulla under the bus after Game 1 loss
James Harden torched the Celtics in Game 1 and at least one Boston player blamed the scoring explosion on his coach's defensive scheme.
Malcolm Brogdon said they doubled Harden too much tonight, which is on Joe..
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Post by cole on May 2, 2023 14:13:22 GMT -5
Much of the blame goes to the wreck of the Joseph Mazzulla: RIP Gordon Not to speak ill of the dead, but that song is TOO LONG!
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Post by Admin on May 2, 2023 14:13:52 GMT -5
Celtics guard throws Joe Mazzulla under the bus after Game 1 loss James Harden torched the Celtics in Game 1 and at least one Boston player blamed the scoring explosion on his coach's defensive scheme. Malcolm Brogdon said they doubled Harden too much tonight, which is on Joe..
Brown was pissed off too!
Not sure everyone here realizes how good Sixers three point game is ... here's the facts why perimeter defense on the Sixers is a must:
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Post by Admin on May 2, 2023 14:15:16 GMT -5
Much of the blame goes to the wreck of the Joseph Mazzulla: RIP Gordon Not to speak ill of the dead, but that song is TOO LONG!
That and the subject matter are what makes it eerily spine-tingling good.
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Post by Cabutan on May 2, 2023 14:21:30 GMT -5
Wow rip Gordon Lightfoot Seems appropriate: there is a station here that plays this song quite often.
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Post by Cabutan on May 2, 2023 14:25:59 GMT -5
They may not be better but they do have a completely different game philosophy ... one of pace and spacing that you seldom see when Embiid is the focus of their offense. Did Mazz have us prepared for a quicker pace (they have younger legs other than Harden/PJ) and prepared to defend the spacing? Why wasn't White in there in Q4 crunch time. He went to the bench at the 8 minute mark and never returned! BTW, that lineup change was the only one Mazz made in Q4: Celtics lineup change (Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Malcolm Brogdon, Marcus Smart, Al Horford) Doc, on the other hand, changed his lineup 7 times in Q4 ... I think their philosophy of "take what the opponent gives you" was a rope-a-dope by Doc that Mazz was fooled into with such easy scoring in the paint. That would have been fine had he offset their scoring with better defense of the perimeter which meant less Horford and more White ... whatever happened to small ball. Even Grant would have been better!
Doc also went to zone defense that always seems to frustrate our offense.
And finally, TOVs ... 16 Celtic turnovers to what, 6 for Sixers?
UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
last two games white has been shut down. But his D has been missed in those two games. White obviously plays a more important role in this team. Perhaps teams catching up?
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Post by Admin on May 2, 2023 14:36:05 GMT -5
I'm sorry to bring up Officiating but two plays stand out as egregious to me:
1) PJ whipping his fist 180 degrees to smack Tatum coming from behind him wacking him in the nutz was w/o a doubt intentional. Refs talked about it 2 mins but never reviewed it ( a sure F1) ... the poke looked much worse from overhead!
“They said they couldn’t review it just because we wanted to,” Joe Mazzulla said at practice on Tuesday
“I guess,” Mazzulla said. “I don’t know. That was just what we were told is they can’t review something just because we want them to. So I guess they didn’t see it.”
The league may give Tucker a flagrant or fine today after an official review but that would be too little too late for the Celtics.
2) Smart being called for a block on Maxy's drive where 1 ref called the block and another a charge. Clearly Smart was o/s the circle and position established but the ref qualifies the block indicating that Maxey had left the court before Smart stopped moving. When you have to look that hard and measure movement and time in micro inches or seconds then your looking for an excuse rather than calling what you see.
That said, they lost the game not because of those calls but from poor defense and coaching. F&M even played an audio clip from TNT where Smart was directing players who to guard and telling Mazz to put him back in ...
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