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Post by cole on May 4, 2022 18:19:29 GMT -5
You guys seem contradicting. On one hand you want the C's to make all the 3s to beat Milw. It is proven this aint gonna work because we dont have that quality shooting. Even Ime said after game 1 or 2 that we need to play inside. But yet you guys say we cant outbully. To me if you cant even out their physicality might as well stay home because we aint going to win this series via 3s. Keep dreaming if you think that we will win the series like that. I think we can if we can keep the right people taking the right shots
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Post by fierce on May 4, 2022 19:22:29 GMT -5
You guys seem contradicting. On one hand you want the C's to make all the 3s to beat Milw. It is proven this aint gonna work because we dont have that quality shooting. Even Ime said after game 1 or 2 that we need to play inside. But yet you guys say we cant outbully. To me if you cant even out their physicality might as well stay home because we aint going to win this series via 3s. Keep dreaming if you think that we will win the series like that. 1. The Bucks made it clear they're going to concede the 3-point shot. What are the Celtics going to do if a player like GWill receives a pass and he's wide open from 3? Pass up the shot? 2. It's about personnel. How can the Celts outbully the Bucks when the Bucks are bigger and stronger? Giannis is 7-0, Brook is 7-1, and Portis is 6-10. The Bucks are just superior when it comes to physical attributes. 3. Do you really think the Celts were going to beat the Bucks if Middleton was healthy? The solution is to make open 3-pointers and keep cutting to the basket, just like what they did in the 1st half of Game 2. This season the Celts are not a small ball team. So the Celts are bigger compared to past Celtic teams. But the Bucks are just bigger and stronger. Holiday is 6-4 and he's the smallest player on the Bucks starting unit. Physicality is about personnel. That's why the Celts will have to get an enforcer if the Celts are to match the physicality of a team like the Bucks. Jayson Tatum tried to guard Giannis in Game 1 and Tatum ended up falling on the floor after Giannis bumped him. Giannis made Tatum look like a little boy.
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Post by fierce on May 4, 2022 19:27:30 GMT -5
Reason why the Celts swept the Nets in the 1st round is because the Nets were so soft defensively.
The Nets were small and weak, they were no match for the physicality of the Celts.
That's what you get for acquiring small players like Mills, Curry, and Dragic.
What the Celts MUST do is make open 3-pointers so that the Bucks will be forced to change their defensive philosophy.
Once that happens, the Celts will see more open looks inside the paint.
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Post by Cabutan on May 4, 2022 21:07:27 GMT -5
You guys seem contradicting. On one hand you want the C's to make all the 3s to beat Milw. It is proven this aint gonna work because we dont have that quality shooting. Even Ime said after game 1 or 2 that we need to play inside. But yet you guys say we cant outbully. To me if you cant even out their physicality might as well stay home because we aint going to win this series via 3s. Keep dreaming if you think that we will win the series like that. 1. The Bucks made it clear they're going to concede the 3-point shot. What are the Celtics going to do if a player like GWill receives a pass and he's wide open from 3? Pass up the shot? 2. It's about personnel. How can the Celts outbully the Bucks when the Bucks are bigger and stronger? Giannis is 7-0, Brook is 7-1, and Portis is 6-10. The Bucks are just superior when it comes to physical attributes. 3. Do you really think the Celts were going to beat the Bucks if Middleton was healthy? The solution is to make open 3-pointers and keep cutting to the basket, just like what they did in the 1st half of Game 2. This season the Celts are not a small ball team. So the Celts are bigger compared to past Celtic teams. But the Bucks are just bigger and stronger. Holiday is 6-4 and he's the smallest player on the Bucks starting unit. Physicality is about personnel. That's why the Celts will have to get an enforcer if the Celts are to match the physicality of a team like the Bucks. Jayson Tatum tried to guard Giannis in Game 1 and Tatum ended up falling on the floor after Giannis bumped him. Giannis made Tatum look like a little boy. Being bigger has no correlation with being a bully or more physically adept. Its all in the heart and passion. Who wants it more. Middleton is not here, we cant make assumptions about that. But, actually we have beaten them with Middleton. Tatum looking like a little boy goes back to when tatum started the league at 19. We have seen how tatum can really look like a regular player rather than a star. Nothing new in that department. We have an enforcer on Grant Williams, we just need one more for our arsenal. Anyways. I think this is more Ime showing signs of being a rookie coach vs a seasoned Buddenholzer. Our next two games are winnable but we gotta match them physically and it is more than doable. Stick to what gave us success, Defense and moving the ball and not settling for the 3.
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Post by Cabutan on May 4, 2022 21:09:32 GMT -5
Reason why the Celts swept the Nets in the 1st round is because the Nets were so soft defensively. The Nets were small and weak, they were no match for the physicality of the Celts. That's what you get for acquiring small players like Mills, Curry, and Dragic. What the Celts MUST do is make open 3-pointers so that the Bucks will be forced to change their defensive philosophy. Once that happens, the Celts will see more open looks inside the paint. the nets were good and were the second hottest team after us before the end of the regular season. Cant downplay how well we played them. Ime went with a plan. He has had to adjust on this one. He didnt go with a game plan on game 1. It was obvious
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Post by cole on May 4, 2022 21:50:18 GMT -5
I disagree. I think we clearly doubled him hard first game. Probably didn't believe the others could beat us. Fair, and i went back and re-read your initial comment and realize you were talkin defensive strategy. And my comment was off-point. I agree with you on defensive strategy and a non-need to double team. Its not because of Giannis. Its because of Grant and Horford. They are capable of shutting down any PF/C without help. My point before was that our defensive floor is so high. Even with a non-optimal strategy, we're still amazing at D. And overall we did do a better job than it appears if you back out the pts off turnovers. This is the best defensive Ive seen since the early 2000 Pistons teams with Ben Wallace, Prince, Rasheed, Rip and Chauncey. And we're prob even better than that team was. Team has 6 elite defenders. Tatum, Brown, Smart, Horford, Grant, Rwill. Not even sure how id rank them against each other. I think we played decent d in game 1 too. I prefer the game 2 adjustment of less doubles. Perhaps it was an adjustment to keep people on him that wouldn't require doubles. 90 percent of the last two games, imo, can be summed by the old cheer: When you're hot you're hot and when you're not you're not. 2nd half game 1 we just couldn't hit
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Post by Admin on May 4, 2022 22:30:27 GMT -5
Putting on a defensive clinic and hitting 6 treys...
Gator!!!!!
Pud
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Post by fierce on May 5, 2022 0:32:45 GMT -5
1. The Bucks made it clear they're going to concede the 3-point shot. What are the Celtics going to do if a player like GWill receives a pass and he's wide open from 3? Pass up the shot? 2. It's about personnel. How can the Celts outbully the Bucks when the Bucks are bigger and stronger? Giannis is 7-0, Brook is 7-1, and Portis is 6-10. The Bucks are just superior when it comes to physical attributes. 3. Do you really think the Celts were going to beat the Bucks if Middleton was healthy? The solution is to make open 3-pointers and keep cutting to the basket, just like what they did in the 1st half of Game 2. This season the Celts are not a small ball team. So the Celts are bigger compared to past Celtic teams. But the Bucks are just bigger and stronger. Holiday is 6-4 and he's the smallest player on the Bucks starting unit. Physicality is about personnel. That's why the Celts will have to get an enforcer if the Celts are to match the physicality of a team like the Bucks. Jayson Tatum tried to guard Giannis in Game 1 and Tatum ended up falling on the floor after Giannis bumped him. Giannis made Tatum look like a little boy. Being bigger has no correlation with being a bully or more physically adept. Its all in the heart and passion. Who wants it more. Middleton is not here, we cant make assumptions about that. But, actually we have beaten them with Middleton. Tatum looking like a little boy goes back to when tatum started the league at 19. We have seen how tatum can really look like a regular player rather than a star. Nothing new in that department. We have an enforcer on Grant Williams, we just need one more for our arsenal. Anyways. I think this is more Ime showing signs of being a rookie coach vs a seasoned Buddenholzer. Our next two games are winnable but we gotta match them physically and it is more than doable. Stick to what gave us success, Defense and moving the ball and not settling for the 3. Size matters. Just like the Celts took advantage if Patty Mills was guarding Jaylen or Seth Curry defending Tatum. Celts just don't have the luxury of size advantage against the Bucks. Grant is an enforcer on defense, but he's not the type who gives you a lot of points inside the paint. Heart and passion, who wants it more, that all depends on your physical limitations. You're asking the Celts to play physical when the personnel they have are finesse players. Besides, Celts are not settling for the 3, they are given open looks at the 3 by design. The paint is packed and the shooters are open, what do you expect the Celts to do? Pass up an open 3 for a contested shot inside the paint?
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Post by drewski6 on May 5, 2022 6:16:35 GMT -5
You guys seem contradicting. On one hand you want the C's to make all the 3s to beat Milw. It is proven this aint gonna work because we dont have that quality shooting. Even Ime said after game 1 or 2 that we need to play inside. But yet you guys say we cant outbully. To me if you cant even out their physicality might as well stay home because we aint going to win this series via 3s. Keep dreaming if you think that we will win the series like that. We may not all agree with each other, which is fine, but I dont see anyone contradicting themselves. I think what most of us are saying is if the Bucks are committed to taking away the inside, but giving us the outside, take the outside. As we're good enough and well-rounded enough to beat anyone either with an inside offensive strat or an outside offensive strat. I dont want to make assumptions towards your thought process, but it appears to me, that you are underrating us. "Might as well stay home" (we're the better team). "Dont have the quality shooting". Not sure why you would think this, but if I was to guess (and I dont like making assumptions) but if I were to guess, I would think that you feel this way because the C's of recent years lost a lot of games taking shots when we probably should have been pounding inside more. But its different this year. The bench shooting that we've wanted for 1/2 a decade and just couldnt seem to find, has arrived in the forms of Grant and PP. This is a benefit of our drafting strategy. When everyone is chasing "upside" (long, athletic, 19 yr olds), we wisely invested some draft capital in guys who may not be super athletic, may not be super long, may be a little older but know how to play the game. Celtics are proving there is something to be said for drafting guys who played at a high level in 3-4 NCAA years even though there may be younger, bigger, and faster guys available. Even from earlier this year, our shooting has improved. As Al was ice cold to start the year, but he's refound his no-arc stroke from 3. Which doesnt look particularly pretty, but goes in when he's open. Its the shot he's always had and he's always been able to make open threes with it (except for maybe early this year when he was ice cold from 3). Tatum is an elite shooter, especially in the playoffs. His full year stats may not appear so, but thats because like Horford, he started cold. Tatum is shooting .415 from deep since the all-star break. Brown can shoot. When you put it all together, yeah, we can def shoot. And we dont need to be an amazingly awesome shooting team to win by shooting. Because this team's identity and where we really separate ourselves is defense. If you are awesome at defense (and I mean once in a generation awesome, unfairly awesome, which we are) you can beat teams with good, but not great, shooting. We have six defenders on this team who would most likely be the best defender on most other teams. Thats crazy. We have the best player on planet Earth. Tatum , in my opinion, is the best player in the NBA and will be the top player in the league next year. He's improved that much. Brown is a should-be all-star. Smart, Rwill are great defenders. Al is playing very well. And we have good bench shooting in PP and Grant. Grant is also an amazing defender. We can and probably should beat anyone, regardless of if we're pounding inside or shooting from outside. The Bucks are a good team even without Middleton, so dont want to take anything for granted. But I do think we're the better team.
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Post by fierce on May 5, 2022 9:15:33 GMT -5
This:
I think what most of us are saying is if the Bucks are committed to taking away the inside, but giving us the outside, take the outside. As we're good enough and well-rounded enough to beat anyone either with an inside offensive strat or an outside offensive strat.
The Bucks are the only team that's crazy enough to do this.
Other teams would not give up open 3s.
But that's the Bucks' philosophy.
The Celts just have to make those open 3s and the Cs will end up winning the game.
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Post by elvissurfs on May 5, 2022 9:30:32 GMT -5
You guys seem contradicting. On one hand you want the C's to make all the 3s to beat Milw. It is proven this aint gonna work because we dont have that quality shooting. Even Ime said after game 1 or 2 that we need to play inside. But yet you guys say we cant outbully. To me if you cant even out their physicality might as well stay home because we aint going to win this series via 3s. Keep dreaming if you think that we will win the series like that. We may not all agree with each other, which is fine, but I dont see anyone contradicting themselves. I think what most of us are saying is if the Bucks are committed to taking away the inside, but giving us the outside, take the outside. As we're good enough and well-rounded enough to beat anyone either with an inside offensive strat or an outside offensive strat. I dont want to make assumptions towards your thought process, but it appears to me, that you are underrating us. "Might as well stay home" (we're the better team). "Dont have the quality shooting". Not sure why you would think this, but if I was to guess (and I dont like making assumptions) but if I were to guess, I would think that you feel this way because the C's of recent years lost a lot of games taking shots when we probably should have been pounding inside more. But its different this year. The bench shooting that we've wanted for 1/2 a decade and just couldnt seem to find, has arrived in the forms of Grant and PP. This is a benefit of our drafting strategy. When everyone is chasing "upside" (long, athletic, 19 yr olds), we wisely invested some draft capital in guys who may not be super athletic, may not be super long, may be a little older but know how to play the game. Celtics are proving there is something to be said for drafting guys who played at a high level in 3-4 NCAA years even though there may be younger, bigger, and faster guys available. Even from earlier this year, our shooting has improved. As Al was ice cold to start the year, but he's refound his no-arc stroke from 3. Which doesnt look particularly pretty, but goes in when he's open. Its the shot he's always had and he's always been able to make open threes with it (except for maybe early this year when he was ice cold from 3). Tatum is an elite shooter, especially in the playoffs. His full year stats may not appear so, but thats because like Horford, he started cold. Tatum is shooting .415 from deep since the all-star break. Brown can shoot. When you put it all together, yeah, we can def shoot. And we dont need to be an amazingly awesome shooting team to win by shooting. Because this team's identity and where we really separate ourselves is defense. If you are awesome at defense (and I mean once in a generation awesome, unfairly awesome, which we are) you can beat teams with good, but not great, shooting. We have six defenders on this team who would most likely be the best defender on most other teams. Thats crazy. We have the best player on planet Earth. Tatum , in my opinion, is the best player in the NBA and will be the top player in the league next year. He's improved that much. Brown is a should-be all-star. Smart, Rwill are great defenders. Al is playing very well. And we have good bench shooting in PP and Grant. Grant is also an amazing defender. We can and probably should beat anyone, regardless of if we're pounding inside or shooting from outside. The Bucks are a good team even without Middleton, so dont want to take anything for granted. But I do think we're the better team. Dang, Drewski, you are on a roll...you've got me all amped up... never thought we would be here after the tough first half of the season...go Celts!...
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Post by Cabutan on May 5, 2022 14:36:23 GMT -5
You guys seem contradicting. On one hand you want the C's to make all the 3s to beat Milw. It is proven this aint gonna work because we dont have that quality shooting. Even Ime said after game 1 or 2 that we need to play inside. But yet you guys say we cant outbully. To me if you cant even out their physicality might as well stay home because we aint going to win this series via 3s. Keep dreaming if you think that we will win the series like that. We may not all agree with each other, which is fine, but I dont see anyone contradicting themselves. I think what most of us are saying is if the Bucks are committed to taking away the inside, but giving us the outside, take the outside. As we're good enough and well-rounded enough to beat anyone either with an inside offensive strat or an outside offensive strat. I dont want to make assumptions towards your thought process, but it appears to me, that you are underrating us. "Might as well stay home" (we're the better team). "Dont have the quality shooting". Not sure why you would think this, but if I was to guess (and I dont like making assumptions) but if I were to guess, I would think that you feel this way because the C's of recent years lost a lot of games taking shots when we probably should have been pounding inside more. But its different this year. The bench shooting that we've wanted for 1/2 a decade and just couldnt seem to find, has arrived in the forms of Grant and PP. This is a benefit of our drafting strategy. When everyone is chasing "upside" (long, athletic, 19 yr olds), we wisely invested some draft capital in guys who may not be super athletic, may not be super long, may be a little older but know how to play the game. Celtics are proving there is something to be said for drafting guys who played at a high level in 3-4 NCAA years even though there may be younger, bigger, and faster guys available. Even from earlier this year, our shooting has improved. As Al was ice cold to start the year, but he's refound his no-arc stroke from 3. Which doesnt look particularly pretty, but goes in when he's open. Its the shot he's always had and he's always been able to make open threes with it (except for maybe early this year when he was ice cold from 3). Tatum is an elite shooter, especially in the playoffs. His full year stats may not appear so, but thats because like Horford, he started cold. Tatum is shooting .415 from deep since the all-star break. Brown can shoot. When you put it all together, yeah, we can def shoot. And we dont need to be an amazingly awesome shooting team to win by shooting. Because this team's identity and where we really separate ourselves is defense. If you are awesome at defense (and I mean once in a generation awesome, unfairly awesome, which we are) you can beat teams with good, but not great, shooting. We have six defenders on this team who would most likely be the best defender on most other teams. Thats crazy. We have the best player on planet Earth. Tatum , in my opinion, is the best player in the NBA and will be the top player in the league next year. He's improved that much. Brown is a should-be all-star. Smart, Rwill are great defenders. Al is playing very well. And we have good bench shooting in PP and Grant. Grant is also an amazing defender. We can and probably should beat anyone, regardless of if we're pounding inside or shooting from outside. The Bucks are a good team even without Middleton, so dont want to take anything for granted. But I do think we're the better team. On the contrary. I do believe we have the better team. I think Fierce thinks otherwise. As for the shooting, although we have improved, our best shooter is Grant. That says everything. And my post was strickly to the point that I stated earlier, we aint going to win via the 3. Ime shared the same sentiment that we have to go inside.
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Post by Cabutan on May 5, 2022 14:37:56 GMT -5
This: I think what most of us are saying is if the Bucks are committed to taking away the inside, but giving us the outside, take the outside. As we're good enough and well-rounded enough to beat anyone either with an inside offensive strat or an outside offensive strat.The Bucks are the only team that's crazy enough to do this. Other teams would not give up open 3s. But that's the Bucks' philosophy. The Celts just have to make those open 3s and the Cs will end up winning the game. Is not a "philosophy". The guy studied the C's and just like Spoelstra with Miami, thats how they both attained success against us. Taking the paint away and letting us shoot.
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Post by Cabutan on May 5, 2022 14:41:13 GMT -5
Being bigger has no correlation with being a bully or more physically adept. Its all in the heart and passion. Who wants it more. Middleton is not here, we cant make assumptions about that. But, actually we have beaten them with Middleton. Tatum looking like a little boy goes back to when tatum started the league at 19. We have seen how tatum can really look like a regular player rather than a star. Nothing new in that department. We have an enforcer on Grant Williams, we just need one more for our arsenal. Anyways. I think this is more Ime showing signs of being a rookie coach vs a seasoned Buddenholzer. Our next two games are winnable but we gotta match them physically and it is more than doable. Stick to what gave us success, Defense and moving the ball and not settling for the 3. Size matters. Just like the Celts took advantage if Patty Mills was guarding Jaylen or Seth Curry defending Tatum. Celts just don't have the luxury of size advantage against the Bucks. Grant is an enforcer on defense, but he's not the type who gives you a lot of points inside the paint. Heart and passion, who wants it more, that all depends on your physical limitations. You're asking the Celts to play physical when the personnel they have are finesse players. Besides, Celts are not settling for the 3, they are given open looks at the 3 by design. The paint is packed and the shooters are open, what do you expect the Celts to do? Pass up an open 3 for a contested shot inside the paint? I played all my life. Size matters but it does not mean that bigger is meaner. We have yet to stablish a running game which we would have an advantage. We have to keep moving the ball. About the phisicality, I believe JB, JT even PP can be more physical than their counterpart for the same positions. We just have not fully ignited our defense.
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Post by kyceltic on May 5, 2022 14:45:37 GMT -5
We may not all agree with each other, which is fine, but I dont see anyone contradicting themselves. I think what most of us are saying is if the Bucks are committed to taking away the inside, but giving us the outside, take the outside. As we're good enough and well-rounded enough to beat anyone either with an inside offensive strat or an outside offensive strat. I dont want to make assumptions towards your thought process, but it appears to me, that you are underrating us. "Might as well stay home" (we're the better team). "Dont have the quality shooting". Not sure why you would think this, but if I was to guess (and I dont like making assumptions) but if I were to guess, I would think that you feel this way because the C's of recent years lost a lot of games taking shots when we probably should have been pounding inside more. But its different this year. The bench shooting that we've wanted for 1/2 a decade and just couldnt seem to find, has arrived in the forms of Grant and PP. This is a benefit of our drafting strategy. When everyone is chasing "upside" (long, athletic, 19 yr olds), we wisely invested some draft capital in guys who may not be super athletic, may not be super long, may be a little older but know how to play the game. Celtics are proving there is something to be said for drafting guys who played at a high level in 3-4 NCAA years even though there may be younger, bigger, and faster guys available. Even from earlier this year, our shooting has improved. As Al was ice cold to start the year, but he's refound his no-arc stroke from 3. Which doesnt look particularly pretty, but goes in when he's open. Its the shot he's always had and he's always been able to make open threes with it (except for maybe early this year when he was ice cold from 3). Tatum is an elite shooter, especially in the playoffs. His full year stats may not appear so, but thats because like Horford, he started cold. Tatum is shooting .415 from deep since the all-star break. Brown can shoot. When you put it all together, yeah, we can def shoot. And we dont need to be an amazingly awesome shooting team to win by shooting. Because this team's identity and where we really separate ourselves is defense. If you are awesome at defense (and I mean once in a generation awesome, unfairly awesome, which we are) you can beat teams with good, but not great, shooting. We have six defenders on this team who would most likely be the best defender on most other teams. Thats crazy. We have the best player on planet Earth. Tatum , in my opinion, is the best player in the NBA and will be the top player in the league next year. He's improved that much. Brown is a should-be all-star. Smart, Rwill are great defenders. Al is playing very well. And we have good bench shooting in PP and Grant. Grant is also an amazing defender. We can and probably should beat anyone, regardless of if we're pounding inside or shooting from outside. The Bucks are a good team even without Middleton, so dont want to take anything for granted. But I do think we're the better team. On the contrary. I do believe we have the better team. I think Fierce thinks otherwise. As for the shooting, although we have improved, our best shooter is Grant. That says everything. And my post was strickly to the point that I stated earlier, we aint going to win via the 3. Ime shared the same sentiment that we have to go inside. Since the all-star game Tatum has been! And Pritchard barley edged out Grant! We have shooters, we just do not want the wrong shooters taking 3's! That would be Smart and White!
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Post by Cabutan on May 5, 2022 14:50:36 GMT -5
On the contrary. I do believe we have the better team. I think Fierce thinks otherwise. As for the shooting, although we have improved, our best shooter is Grant. That says everything. And my post was strickly to the point that I stated earlier, we aint going to win via the 3. Ime shared the same sentiment that we have to go inside. Since the all-star game Tatum has been! And Pritchard barley edged out Grant! We have shooters, we just do not want the wrong shooters taking 3's! That would be Smart and White! Dont worry, your wishes might come true. We might not have Smart for game 3.
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Post by kyceltic on May 5, 2022 15:12:40 GMT -5
Since the all-star game Tatum has been! And Pritchard barley edged out Grant! We have shooters, we just do not want the wrong shooters taking 3's! That would be Smart and White! Dont worry, your wishes might come true. We might not have Smart for game 3. I thought I read he was playing?
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Post by cole on May 5, 2022 15:13:33 GMT -5
Dont worry, your wishes might come true. We might not have Smart for game 3. I thought I read he was playing? He thinks he is, Marcus said
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Post by kyceltic on May 5, 2022 15:28:49 GMT -5
You guys seem contradicting. On one hand you want the C's to make all the 3s to beat Milw. It is proven this aint gonna work because we dont have that quality shooting. Even Ime said after game 1 or 2 that we need to play inside. But yet you guys say we cant outbully. To me if you cant even out their physicality might as well stay home because we aint going to win this series via 3s. Keep dreaming if you think that we will win the series like that. We may not all agree with each other, which is fine, but I dont see anyone contradicting themselves. I think what most of us are saying is if the Bucks are committed to taking away the inside, but giving us the outside, take the outside. As we're good enough and well-rounded enough to beat anyone either with an inside offensive strat or an outside offensive strat. I dont want to make assumptions towards your thought process, but it appears to me, that you are underrating us. "Might as well stay home" (we're the better team). "Dont have the quality shooting". Not sure why you would think this, but if I was to guess (and I dont like making assumptions) but if I were to guess, I would think that you feel this way because the C's of recent years lost a lot of games taking shots when we probably should have been pounding inside more. But its different this year. The bench shooting that we've wanted for 1/2 a decade and just couldnt seem to find, has arrived in the forms of Grant and PP. This is a benefit of our drafting strategy. When everyone is chasing "upside" (long, athletic, 19 yr olds), we wisely invested some draft capital in guys who may not be super athletic, may not be super long, may be a little older but know how to play the game. Celtics are proving there is something to be said for drafting guys who played at a high level in 3-4 NCAA years even though there may be younger, bigger, and faster guys available. Even from earlier this year, our shooting has improved. As Al was ice cold to start the year, but he's refound his no-arc stroke from 3. Which doesnt look particularly pretty, but goes in when he's open. Its the shot he's always had and he's always been able to make open threes with it (except for maybe early this year when he was ice cold from 3). Tatum is an elite shooter, especially in the playoffs. His full year stats may not appear so, but thats because like Horford, he started cold. Tatum is shooting .415 from deep since the all-star break. Brown can shoot. When you put it all together, yeah, we can def shoot. And we dont need to be an amazingly awesome shooting team to win by shooting. Because this team's identity and where we really separate ourselves is defense. If you are awesome at defense (and I mean once in a generation awesome, unfairly awesome, which we are) you can beat teams with good, but not great, shooting. We have six defenders on this team who would most likely be the best defender on most other teams. Thats crazy. We have the best player on planet Earth. Tatum , in my opinion, is the best player in the NBA and will be the top player in the league next year. He's improved that much. Brown is a should-be all-star. Smart, Rwill are great defenders. Al is playing very well. And we have good bench shooting in PP and Grant. Grant is also an amazing defender. We can and probably should beat anyone, regardless of if we're pounding inside or shooting from outside. The Bucks are a good team even without Middleton, so dont want to take anything for granted. But I do think we're the better team. The thing I agree with you most is, Tatum is the best player in the NBA! He can't be guarded by any 1 player, he has to be double and even triple teamed! Try guarding him one on one, and watch him go for 60!
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Post by fierce on May 5, 2022 18:21:05 GMT -5
Size matters. Just like the Celts took advantage if Patty Mills was guarding Jaylen or Seth Curry defending Tatum. Celts just don't have the luxury of size advantage against the Bucks. Grant is an enforcer on defense, but he's not the type who gives you a lot of points inside the paint. Heart and passion, who wants it more, that all depends on your physical limitations. You're asking the Celts to play physical when the personnel they have are finesse players. Besides, Celts are not settling for the 3, they are given open looks at the 3 by design. The paint is packed and the shooters are open, what do you expect the Celts to do? Pass up an open 3 for a contested shot inside the paint? I played all my life. Size matters but it does not mean that bigger is meaner. We have yet to stablish a running game which we would have an advantage. We have to keep moving the ball. About the phisicality, I believe JB, JT even PP can be more physical than their counterpart for the same positions. We just have not fully ignited our defense. I'm not saying what you're saying is wrong. I just don't think the Celts can be meaner because that's not who they are. You're asking nice guys to be mean. That's just not happening.
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Post by Cabutan on May 5, 2022 19:04:35 GMT -5
Dont worry, your wishes might come true. We might not have Smart for game 3. I thought I read he was playing? i read still not a go. Let me check the twitter
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Post by Cabutan on May 5, 2022 19:05:28 GMT -5
I played all my life. Size matters but it does not mean that bigger is meaner. We have yet to stablish a running game which we would have an advantage. We have to keep moving the ball. About the phisicality, I believe JB, JT even PP can be more physical than their counterpart for the same positions. We just have not fully ignited our defense. I'm not saying what you're saying is wrong. I just don't think the Celts can be meaner because that's not who they are. You're asking nice guys to be mean. That's just not happening. ahh i see i see. Thats right. Not their identity you mean. True. We can beat them. We have a better team. We just cant go outside of what made us great.
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Post by Cabutan on May 5, 2022 19:09:04 GMT -5
Is the bruins board dead? I barely became a fan of hockey 4 years ago thanks to my son who plays the sport.
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 5, 2022 19:31:22 GMT -5
Being bigger has no correlation with being a bully or more physically adept. Its all in the heart and passion. Who wants it more. Middleton is not here, we cant make assumptions about that. But, actually we have beaten them with Middleton. Tatum looking like a little boy goes back to when tatum started the league at 19. We have seen how tatum can really look like a regular player rather than a star. Nothing new in that department. We have an enforcer on Grant Williams, we just need one more for our arsenal. Anyways. I think this is more Ime showing signs of being a rookie coach vs a seasoned Buddenholzer. Our next two games are winnable but we gotta match them physically and it is more than doable. Stick to what gave us success, Defense and moving the ball and not settling for the 3. Size matters. Just like the Celts took advantage if Patty Mills was guarding Jaylen or Seth Curry defending Tatum. Celts just don't have the luxury of size advantage against the Bucks. Grant is an enforcer on defense, but he's not the type who gives you a lot of points inside the paint. Heart and passion, who wants it more, that all depends on your physical limitations. You're asking the Celts to play physical when the personnel they have are finesse players. Besides, Celts are not settling for the 3, they are given open looks at the 3 by design. The paint is packed and the shooters are open, what do you expect the Celts to do? Pass up an open 3 for a contested shot inside the paint? I really, really, really do not understand you sometimes. What happened to Pierre the Deer? Wasn't it me who said MIL was still a very good team, even without Middleton? I could have sworn you said this would be an easy series. Are you wavering? I really don't want to go back and forth, but I'm just trying to get some clarity on your position
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Post by fierce on May 5, 2022 20:34:13 GMT -5
Size matters. Just like the Celts took advantage if Patty Mills was guarding Jaylen or Seth Curry defending Tatum. Celts just don't have the luxury of size advantage against the Bucks. Grant is an enforcer on defense, but he's not the type who gives you a lot of points inside the paint. Heart and passion, who wants it more, that all depends on your physical limitations. You're asking the Celts to play physical when the personnel they have are finesse players. Besides, Celts are not settling for the 3, they are given open looks at the 3 by design. The paint is packed and the shooters are open, what do you expect the Celts to do? Pass up an open 3 for a contested shot inside the paint? I really, really, really do not understand you sometimes. What happened to Pierre the Deer? Wasn't it me who said MIL was still a very good team, even without Middleton? I could have sworn you said this would be an easy series. Are you wavering? I really don't want to go back and forth, but I'm just trying to get some clarity on your position You're missing the point. Cabutan said for the Celts to win, they have to be physical and outbully the Bucks. What I said was the Celts can't do that and for the Celts to win, they just have to make open 3s. Most of us here agree that the Celts just have to make those open 3s that the Bucks are intentionally giving the Celts. My debate with Cabutan is about style of play, not about who wins the series. And yes, nobody is afraid of a deer, named Pierre, roaming the wilderness because Pierre is just an ordinary deer. You only fear the deer if Kate Middleton is healthy.
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