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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2022 15:34:57 GMT -5
HA! Here's another one ... How many times have I pumped Nerlens Noel as a trade for backup to Rob? 3 Knicks to trade into Evan Fournier TPE to clear cap space for NYby Andrew Hughes Bob DeChiara-USA TODAY Sports
One team that could be looking to do some salary dumping this week is the New York Knicks, who have two major point guard additions on their radar this offseason.
The first and more realistic target is Jalen Brunson. New York just hired his father Rick as a coach, and will only need to clear $25 million in cap space to sign him. That would be an overpay for an undersized guard who has a 49/37/80 career shooting split and has started just one full season on the Dallas Mavericks, the team that took him with the No. 33 overall pick in 2018. Then again, such a move would be so uniquely NYK that it’s probably going to happen.
On the other hand, most Knicks fans would probably prefer Kyrie Irving, a former No. 2 option on an NBA Champion and 3x All-NBA Team point guard (1x Second Team, 2x Third Team). Posting and Toasting wrote about the potential basketball beauty Irving can create at MSG:
“Does Kyrie make sense on the Knicks? Good Christ, yes. He would instantly be right up there with Walt Frazier as the greatest point guards in franchise history. He’s a legit primary scorer, something Julius Randle isn’t and RJ Barrett isn’t and may never be and pro’ly should never be. He creates for his teammates. He’d make Madison Square Garden sound like it hasn’t in a long time, and maybe ever; after all, the greatest Knicks of the post-championship years (Bernard King; Patrick Ewing; Carmelo Anthony), for all their greatness, were not human highlight reels. Irving is the sizzle and the steak.”
In order for this move to ever be a reality, the Knicks would need to clear significant cap space and would require several salary dumps in order to do so.
Here are 3 Knicks the Boston Celtics should pursue to absorb into the Evan Fournier $17.1 million TPE:
Nerlens Noel
Trading for Nerlens Noel as a salary dump would open up a world of possibilities for the Boston Celtics in the trade market this offseason due to how similar his game is to that of starting center Robert Williams III. Noel could slide into the place of ‘Time Lord’ in the starting lineup if Celtics President of Basketball Operations wanted to use Williams as a trade piece in a larger package for a star. Williams’ near-$11 million salary is one that can be aggregated with Derrick White’s, Daniel Theis’, or even Al Horford’s if the Cs were on the precipice of trading for a star that’d fit alongside Marcus Smart and the ‘Jays’ in the frontcourt. Rudy Gobert is one upgrade that’d make a good deal of sense in that scenario. Alternatively, Noel could be the perfect fill-in for Williams that allows Ime Udoka to preserve his starting big throughout the long season and keep him healthy for the next bid for Banner 18. Either way, Noel is a classic center that could be superfluous in New York with Mitchell Robinson more than likely re-signing on a big-money extension. He’d be better off in Boston contending for a title than having the same role on an imperfect Knicks roster.
PS: Alec Burks and Derrick Rose are the other two Knicks ... Rose was great last season for the Knicks but no way would I bring another aging vet with injury history onto this team
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 21, 2022 15:47:26 GMT -5
I swear these other Blog writers come here for ideas ... you guys jumped the shark with this one! (Photo by Kathryn Riley/Getty Images)
Trade proposal brings Marcus Morris back to Cs by Andrew Hughes
According to Yossi Gozlan of HoopsHype, the Cs could explore a return for the former combo forward, who started 74 games in his two years under former head coach/current front office head honcho Brad Stevens: “Some players they could pursue with their trade exceptions include former Celtic Marcus Morris. The Celtics have all their future first-round picks to offer going forward, and they’ve shown a willingness to trade them when they traded one for Horford and another for White since Stevens took over.” What the Boston Celtics could give up in a Marcus Morris trade Ideally, the Celtics would be able to nab Morris for a future pick alone and call it a day. Unfortunately, the Clippers will most certainly not give up the former lottery pick up so easily. As a team that was two games from the 2021 NBA Finals, the L.A. would need a win-now asset in return to continue their quest for a first banner in franchise history. The best salary-matching piece the Clippers would consider is Derrick White, but that’d be a lateral move (at best) for the Celtics. White would likely be included in a deal for a star, if anything, not a role player five years older than him. Assuming Stevens wouldn’t include his star acquisition during this past February’s trade deadline, this could be a more realistic offer for Morris:
Just a note Boston does not have to match salary's and could send Theis into a TPE that the Clippers have along with the first round pick. Not sure if that would be enough for LA to make the deal or not. But Morris not only brings a toughness, but he's become a fairly elite 3 point shooter as a swing type player (PF/SF) and could be a third scoring option behind Tatum and Brown. Morris having TWO years left on his deal might make the price just too high in the end .
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Post by croc on Jun 21, 2022 16:02:54 GMT -5
HA! Here's another one ... How many times have I pumped Nerlens Noel as a trade for backup to Rob? 3 Knicks to trade into Evan Fournier TPE to clear cap space for NYby Andrew Hughes Bob DeChiara-USA TODAY Sports
One team that could be looking to do some salary dumping this week is the New York Knicks, who have two major point guard additions on their radar this offseason.
The first and more realistic target is Jalen Brunson. New York just hired his father Rick as a coach, and will only need to clear $25 million in cap space to sign him. That would be an overpay for an undersized guard who has a 49/37/80 career shooting split and has started just one full season on the Dallas Mavericks, the team that took him with the No. 33 overall pick in 2018. Then again, such a move would be so uniquely NYK that it’s probably going to happen.
On the other hand, most Knicks fans would probably prefer Kyrie Irving, a former No. 2 option on an NBA Champion and 3x All-NBA Team point guard (1x Second Team, 2x Third Team). Posting and Toasting wrote about the potential basketball beauty Irving can create at MSG:
“Does Kyrie make sense on the Knicks? Good Christ, yes. He would instantly be right up there with Walt Frazier as the greatest point guards in franchise history. He’s a legit primary scorer, something Julius Randle isn’t and RJ Barrett isn’t and may never be and pro’ly should never be. He creates for his teammates. He’d make Madison Square Garden sound like it hasn’t in a long time, and maybe ever; after all, the greatest Knicks of the post-championship years (Bernard King; Patrick Ewing; Carmelo Anthony), for all their greatness, were not human highlight reels. Irving is the sizzle and the steak.”
In order for this move to ever be a reality, the Knicks would need to clear significant cap space and would require several salary dumps in order to do so.
Here are 3 Knicks the Boston Celtics should pursue to absorb into the Evan Fournier $17.1 million TPE:
Nerlens Noel
Trading for Nerlens Noel as a salary dump would open up a world of possibilities for the Boston Celtics in the trade market this offseason due to how similar his game is to that of starting center Robert Williams III. Noel could slide into the place of ‘Time Lord’ in the starting lineup if Celtics President of Basketball Operations wanted to use Williams as a trade piece in a larger package for a star. Williams’ near-$11 million salary is one that can be aggregated with Derrick White’s, Daniel Theis’, or even Al Horford’s if the Cs were on the precipice of trading for a star that’d fit alongside Marcus Smart and the ‘Jays’ in the frontcourt. Rudy Gobert is one upgrade that’d make a good deal of sense in that scenario. Alternatively, Noel could be the perfect fill-in for Williams that allows Ime Udoka to preserve his starting big throughout the long season and keep him healthy for the next bid for Banner 18. Either way, Noel is a classic center that could be superfluous in New York with Mitchell Robinson more than likely re-signing on a big-money extension. He’d be better off in Boston contending for a title than having the same role on an imperfect Knicks roster.
PS: Alec Burks and Derrick Rose are the other two Knicks ... Rose was great last season for the Knicks but no way would I bring another aging vet with injury history onto this team
Noel as a back up C is fine, no way they should be dealing Williams unless it's for a big fish like Lillard. Less More-is
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Post by elvissurfs on Jun 21, 2022 17:40:48 GMT -5
I swear these other Blog writers come here for ideas ... you guys jumped the shark with this one! (Photo by Kathryn Riley/Getty Images)
Trade proposal brings Marcus Morris back to Cs by Andrew Hughes
According to Yossi Gozlan of HoopsHype, the Cs could explore a return for the former combo forward, who started 74 games in his two years under former head coach/current front office head honcho Brad Stevens: “Some players they could pursue with their trade exceptions include former Celtic Marcus Morris. The Celtics have all their future first-round picks to offer going forward, and they’ve shown a willingness to trade them when they traded one for Horford and another for White since Stevens took over.” What the Boston Celtics could give up in a Marcus Morris trade Ideally, the Celtics would be able to nab Morris for a future pick alone and call it a day. Unfortunately, the Clippers will most certainly not give up the former lottery pick up so easily. As a team that was two games from the 2021 NBA Finals, the L.A. would need a win-now asset in return to continue their quest for a first banner in franchise history. The best salary-matching piece the Clippers would consider is Derrick White, but that’d be a lateral move (at best) for the Celtics. White would likely be included in a deal for a star, if anything, not a role player five years older than him. Assuming Stevens wouldn’t include his star acquisition during this past February’s trade deadline, this could be a more realistic offer for Morris:
Just a note Boston does not have to match salary's and could send Theis into a TPE that the Clippers have along with the first round pick. Not sure if that would be enough for LA to make the deal or not. But Morris not only brings a toughness, but he's become a fairly elite 3 point shooter as a swing type player (PF/SF) and could be a third scoring option behind Tatum and Brown. Morris having TWO years left on his deal might make the price just too high in the end . What the heck, how do you even know all this stuff?...
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 21, 2022 18:32:23 GMT -5
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 21, 2022 18:43:33 GMT -5
This guy is sick! Free agent too!
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2022 19:57:00 GMT -5
So we need three additions: 1) PG 2) Wing 3) Big
I'll start with the Big. I still want Bamba but it may be easier to work out something with the Knicks who will be looking for cap space if Irving becomes available or for any other addition like Brunson. They won't want players back so the TPE and a 2nd should be all that's needed to add the perfect compliment to Rob in Nerlens Noel. The only way you can do better is to find another big that can make the perimeter shot as a stretch 5 ... only one I can think of is Hartenstein but I can't see LAC letting him walk off a rookie contract. Muscala in OKC works. PF's like Prince or Porter are nice fits but again how can you sign a UFA?
For a wing w/o going too far into debt but getting a local with the ability to cover 1-3 and score in bunches both inside and out I'm trying to figure out how to sign Bruce Brown who's a UFA ... can we have another team (OKC?) sign him and flip him to us for a TPE and a pick come Dec?
MEM owes us (Bane!) and they may not want to pay Tyus Jones more than MLE. Rubio works but just wait for him to come back rehabbed in Feb. If too inpatient then Holiday is a RFA and may be gettable ... that's Aaron not Justin.
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2022 20:01:53 GMT -5
This guy is sick! Free agent too!
I just mentioned him is my post below yours. Knicks may want him and we are over the cap with no space to sign a UFA. Focus on players under contract (even RFAs will give us a year to negotiate if Brad can't work it out with their agent before a trade happens).
UFAs like Otto Porter, Taureen Prince, Bruce Brown, Tyus Jones, Hartenstein, Patty Mills etc just can't be had w/o using a S&T and that will put us under a hard cap.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2022 20:46:03 GMT -5
We won't get Brunson. I love the Morris idea. Otto Porter I've always wanted. Brown would be a really nice fit
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2022 20:47:21 GMT -5
I like Eric Gordon, but not for a first round pick
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 21, 2022 21:00:14 GMT -5
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 21, 2022 21:01:20 GMT -5
Sign and trades for TPE. Brunson made 1.8 mil last year. Why wouldn't he take the 6.3 mil exception we have?
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 21, 2022 21:09:05 GMT -5
Brunson solves our turnover problems and our bench scoring problems all in one!
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 21, 2022 21:11:10 GMT -5
Dallas gave us Richardson last year for TPE right?
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 21, 2022 21:55:44 GMT -5
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 21, 2022 22:02:55 GMT -5
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 21, 2022 22:15:36 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2022 22:17:51 GMT -5
Sign and trades for TPE. Brunson made 1.8 mil last year. Why wouldn't he take the 6.3 mil exception we have?
Da, it's not a question of anyone accepting a TPE. The problem is that we are over the cap and secondly we can't sign UFAs. To do so must be via a S&T and that would Hard Cap us at $159mm." We're already at $149MM so to add 1-3 new bodies and go over the luxury cap apron we need to avoid using a S&T and becoming hard capped.
Put any trade away that includes needing a S&T to execute the trade ... GOT IT?
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 21, 2022 22:23:35 GMT -5
Sign and trades for TPE. Brunson made 1.8 mil last year. Why wouldn't he take the 6.3 mil exception we have?
Da, it's not a question of anyone accepting a TPE. The problem is that we are over the cap and secondly we can't sign UFAs. To do so must be via a S&T and that would Hard Cap us at $159mm." We're already at $149MM so to add 1-3 new bodies and go over the luxury cap apron we need to avoid using a S&T and becoming hard capped.
Put any trade away that includes needing a S&T to execute the trade ... GOT IT?
This guy is expected to resign at over 20 mil per season anyway. Just read it.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jun 21, 2022 22:24:49 GMT -5
Let's go Rondo!
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Post by cole on Jun 21, 2022 22:25:18 GMT -5
Da, it's not a question of anyone accepting a TPE. The problem is that we are over the cap and secondly we can't sign UFAs. To do so must be via a S&T and that would Hard Cap us at $159mm." We're already at $149MM so to add 1-3 new bodies and go over the luxury cap apron we need to avoid using a S&T and becoming hard capped.
Put any trade away that includes needing a S&T to execute the trade ... GOT IT?
This guy is expected to resign at over 20 mil per season anyway. Just read it. He's worth that.
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Post by croc on Jun 22, 2022 4:16:08 GMT -5
So we need three additions: 1) PG 2) Wing 3) Big I'll start with the Big. I still want Bamba but it may be easier to work out something with the Knicks who will be looking for cap space if Irving becomes available or for any other addition like Brunson. They won't want players back so the TPE and a 2nd should be all that's needed to add the perfect compliment to Rob in Nerlens Noel. The only way you can do better is to find another big that can make the perimeter shot as a stretch 5 ... only one I can think of is Hartenstein but I can't see LAC letting him walk off a rookie contract. Muscala in OKC works. PF's like Prince or Porter are nice fits but again how can you sign a UFA? For a wing w/o going too far into debt but getting a local with the ability to cover 1-3 and score in bunches both inside and out I'm trying to figure out how to sign Bruce Brown who's a UFA ... can we have another team (OKC?) sign him and flip him to us for a TPE and a pick come Dec? MEM owes us (Bane!) and they may not want to pay Tyus Jones more than MLE. Rubio works but just wait for him to come back rehabbed in Feb. If too inpatient then Holiday is a RFA and may be gettable ... that's Aaron not Justin. I've been on the Noel bandwagon for a while. He and RWill could be almost interchangeable. Not a bad notion given the injury history. I was surprised Noel is only 28. Seems he's been around for ever. Just on a Morris fan. We have a stretch 5 right now. Go for a real wing. Brown would be an amazing get. See if he'll go for the MLE with a wink-wink they'll re-do it to make it financially worth it? How soon can they extend him after signing the MLE? They need improved ball handling. Part of that is within. Brown and Tatum have both grown, that has to be a point of emphasis for them this off season, but they need a bonafide ball handler. Trading White should be on the table. That alone might net one of the needs.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 22, 2022 6:51:04 GMT -5
Cuban has said repeatedly they are re-signing Brunson.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 22, 2022 7:00:25 GMT -5
Since we are talking TPE's and possibility's , I came up with a list of some players who may (or not) be availible that fit into one of them.
First player who I think will only cost a future draft pick of some type: ( in order or their salary next year)
D. Robinson- Mia- 16.9M with 3 more years after. Miami probably would dump his over priced deal if they can find a taker. not sure he can play in Udoka's defense though.
K. Olynyk- Det- 12.8M with another year after (partial Guaranteed). Detroit would probably move off him for a future first. But if Theis can't play in Udoka's defense hard to see Kelly O getting minutes.
J. Richardson-SA- 12.2M expiring. I would bet the Spurs would send him back for another first round pick.
T. Ross- Orl- 11.5M expiring. When I look at his numbers it looks like a player losing it a bit to me. But Orlando would take a pick for him, maybe a couple seconds is the best they get.
D. Favors- OKL- 10.2M expiring. A couple seconds should get it done, IMO. is he an upgrade over Theis is the question.
D. Green- Phil- 10.0M expiring. Philly wants to move him as he tore up his knee and will miss most of next year (if he ever plays again).
L. Nance Jr- NO- 9.7M expiring. Like Ross a guys who's been talked about for Boston for the past two years. Not sure I'd give up a future first for him, but maybe Stevens would.
Justin Holiday- Sac- 6.3M expiring. A guy I like , especially if they can get him for two seconds that would be a nice fit. I use his first name so not to confuse him with one of hos brothers.
R. Gay- Utah- 6.3M plus 6.4M player option the year after. Ainge might have to ATTACH a draft pick to move him with two years left.
C. Joseph- Det- 5.1M expiring. If Detroit is willing to move him for a second round pick, he's a solid vet combo guard who would add to the depth here.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 22, 2022 7:39:30 GMT -5
Next is players who could fit into one of the TPE's but IMO wuld take multiple dfaft icks or draft picks and a player in return.
Marcus Morris- LAC- 16.4M + 17.1M the next year. I figure tow first to get the Clippers to listen. They also have two TPES ( 8.2M and 9.7M) to take back players. So a first and Theis for instance while nice for Boston probably isn't enough.
M. Beasley- Minn- 15.5+ 16.4M team option. If he was expiring I would have put him in the draft pick only post. Minny has a 4.3M TPE, so Nesmith and first could probably do it.
W. Barton- Den- 14.3M expiring. With the recent J. Green salary dump trade, Denver is showing signs paying the tax is something they want to be cautious about moving forward. They have a lot of players on hefty deals and Barton could get more as a UFA next year than they want to pay (at age 32 now). so a future first round pick and maybe a second could snag the wing scorer perhaps. IF so this a real option for Boston IF the owners are willing to get DEEP in the tax.
D. McDermott- SA- 13.7M+ 13.7M the next year. Not sure if SA would move him for a first only or not, but a good spot up shooter as a swing type player.
L. Kennard- LAC- 13.7M + 2 years after. Another player the Clippers may look to move for the right deal and they do have two TPE''s. So a first and Nesmith?
J. Clarkson- Utah- 13.3M +14.2M Player option. Utah has a 9.7M TPE that can be used also here. Not sure what Ainge would want back to move off Clarkson's mid type deal though.
J. Hart- Port- 12.9M + 12.9 player option. Like Clarkson his deal is not bad at all , so its hard for me to see Portland wanting to move off him. Portland does have a couple TPEs 20.8M and 6.5M though. Boston fans would probably take a Hart for D. White deal right now, but I doubt Boston would make that move.
R. Covington- LAC- 12.3M + 11.7M . Might be the most likely candidate for the Clippers to move out the three on this list. Two years under a moderate salary means probably the cost would a first or one of the TPEs they have mentioned earlier. Theis OR Nesmith and a second for him or would it cost a first too?
J. Crowder- Phoe- 10.1M expiring. Doubtful he'd want to come back to Boston, but with the D. Ayton RFA issue one never knows what fallout could come from that.
A. Burks- NY- 10.0M + 10.5M team option. Wing scorer But with the Knicks looking to add a player like Brunson , they may have to make cap room ( they are slightly over the salary cap with holds right now). so they have a bunch of players they may need to move out to do that. the others....
N. Noel - 9.2M + 9.7M TO
D. Rose- 14.5M+ 15.6M TO
K. Walker- 9.1M expiring.
of course the Knicks will likely just do a sign and trade IF Brunson wants to come there and just be hard capped at the apron. But they still may need to move off one of the above salary's anyway.
in that case Burks and/or Noel might be available for a future drafty pick or two. For Boston maybe they could do two deals with NY, NOel for Thies in one deal. and Burk for the first into a TPE.
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