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Post by drewski6 on Jan 3, 2022 20:24:50 GMT -5
I agree Dee. We need Horford cuz we cant rely on RWill, we need Rwill cuz we cant rely on Al.
We need Smart cuz otherwise PP is our starting PG (we need to keep Schroder off the bench cuz otherwise our second unit will get us 8 pts/ night)
We need Schroder because see above
We even kind of need Grant for bench shooting
We need PP as an emergency PG
So what exactly do we even have to trade? Nesmith and Hernangomez? Any takers? What if we throw in Kanter? Still no? .... Well this is why Im not sure a fair trade will help. Gonna have to rob someone. So I guess start thinking of underrated guys?
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Post by drewski6 on Jan 3, 2022 20:28:09 GMT -5
Honestly, I still want value for Smart. He's no dump, he strips a lot of guys and comes up with a lot of loose balls. He does bring an intangible element. Im not willing to just throw him in some trade.
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Post by drewski6 on Jan 3, 2022 20:28:47 GMT -5
He draws charges, he sacrifices his body...
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Post by cole on Jan 3, 2022 22:03:46 GMT -5
I agree Dee. We need Horford cuz we cant rely on RWill, we need Rwill cuz we cant rely on Al. We need Smart cuz otherwise PP is our starting PG (we need to keep Schroder off the bench cuz otherwise our second unit will get us 8 pts/ night) We need Schroder because see above We even kind of need Grant for bench shooting We need PP as an emergency PG So what exactly do we even have to trade? Nesmith and Hernangomez? Any takers? What if we throw in Kanter? Still no? .... Well this is why Im not sure a fair trade will help. Gonna have to rob someone. So I guess start thinking of underrated guys? You assume some of those needs would be coming in, right?
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Post by puddin on Jan 4, 2022 8:04:55 GMT -5
I agree Dee. We need Horford cuz we cant rely on RWill, we need Rwill cuz we cant rely on Al. We need Smart cuz otherwise PP is our starting PG (we need to keep Schroder off the bench cuz otherwise our second unit will get us 8 pts/ night) We need Schroder because see above We even kind of need Grant for bench shooting We need PP as an emergency PG So what exactly do we even have to trade? Nesmith and Hernangomez? Any takers? What if we throw in Kanter? Still no? .... Well this is why Im not sure a fair trade will help. Gonna have to rob someone. So I guess start thinking of underrated guys? You assume some of those needs would be coming in, right? These trade ideas boil down to the principle of Robbing Peter to Pay Paul.
Trading pieces of value, creating holes with the hopes that the returning value plugs the holes just created.... and some.
Another view:
We have a bench full of possibly undervalued player talent.
Why look any further?
Give them an extended shot.
Respect the process!
Pud
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Post by drewski6 on Jan 4, 2022 8:59:17 GMT -5
I agree Dee. We need Horford cuz we cant rely on RWill, we need Rwill cuz we cant rely on Al. We need Smart cuz otherwise PP is our starting PG (we need to keep Schroder off the bench cuz otherwise our second unit will get us 8 pts/ night) We need Schroder because see above We even kind of need Grant for bench shooting We need PP as an emergency PG So what exactly do we even have to trade? Nesmith and Hernangomez? Any takers? What if we throw in Kanter? Still no? .... Well this is why Im not sure a fair trade will help. Gonna have to rob someone. So I guess start thinking of underrated guys? You assume some of those needs would be coming in, right? Sure, but Id rather add without subtracting - so if we are going to shop, use picks primarily. Schroder is kind of an exception because we are not going to keep him, so there may be some merit to the thought of "get something for him before he leaves for nothing" But if we move him, our bench scoring is very light. Still thats one I would consider. Good back and forth / conversation here
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Post by Cabutan on Jan 4, 2022 9:31:14 GMT -5
Cant believe Kyle Guy is in the GLeague. I wanted Boston to get him out of the draft. He had a great game yesterday. Guy can ball, a winner. But nah, lets go after the softies because thats our culture. Painful.
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Post by Cabutan on Jan 4, 2022 9:33:59 GMT -5
This might be Jaylon's best shooting game. I don't know what his percentage was when he had 44 earlier in the season. My problem with him is that he gets too "hot doggy" and that's when he screws up. When he did the behind the back pass to Josh for the layup late in the game, I cringed at first saying "what are you doing". He had a great shooting game and even pulled down 11 rebounds but those 7 turnovers can't happen AND AGAINST THE ORLANDO MAGIC. It took 33 points in the 2nd half to win in OT against this team. We have to play much better. i see what your saying. I have no complaints with his game though compared to the rest of our team. The only two guys that try really hard day in day out are him and Smart. Smart just gets carried away with his offensive ego. But JB has shown that he elevated his game this season and thats so hard to find on any team.
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Post by dfries13 on Jan 4, 2022 9:51:51 GMT -5
This might be Jaylon's best shooting game. I don't know what his percentage was when he had 44 earlier in the season. My problem with him is that he gets too "hot doggy" and that's when he screws up. When he did the behind the back pass to Josh for the layup late in the game, I cringed at first saying "what are you doing". He had a great shooting game and even pulled down 11 rebounds but those 7 turnovers can't happen AND AGAINST THE ORLANDO MAGIC. It took 33 points in the 2nd half to win in OT against this team. We have to play much better. i see what your saying. I have no complaints with his game though compared to the rest of our team. The only two guys that try really hard day in day out are him and Smart. Smart just gets carried away with his offensive ego. But JB has shown that he elevated his game this season and thats so hard to find on any team. Brown Tries hard on both ends i agree Smart seems to be taking less ugly threes lately if only he could run we need to find a PG who pushes pushes and pushes . Smart is better suited for the two role or 6th man
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Post by Cabutan on Jan 4, 2022 10:30:32 GMT -5
i see what your saying. I have no complaints with his game though compared to the rest of our team. The only two guys that try really hard day in day out are him and Smart. Smart just gets carried away with his offensive ego. But JB has shown that he elevated his game this season and thats so hard to find on any team. Brown Tries hard on both ends i agree Smart seems to be taking less ugly threes lately if only he could run we need to find a PG who pushes pushes and pushes . Smart is better suited for the two role or 6th man 6th role is what i think. He would embrace that 6th role leadership and play way better.
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Post by puddin on Jan 4, 2022 12:51:35 GMT -5
Brown Tries hard on both ends i agree Smart seems to be taking less ugly threes lately if only he could run we need to find a PG who pushes pushes and pushes . Smart is better suited for the two role or 6th man 6th role is what i think. He would embrace that 6th role leadership and play way better. Using Smart out of position as a starting PG/SG is another classic example of:
You have a guy who is an elite 6th man, defensive whiz and closer whom you abuse... and for what, exactly?
Everyone loses in the long run.
Pud
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Post by Cabutan on Jan 4, 2022 13:29:57 GMT -5
As I said before, making Smart the 6th man is not to belittle his game. He is actually a starter in my eyes. We are just so inexperienced with our bench unit that a guy Smart, would make the others play better. In any case it is a compliment to the guy.
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Post by puddin on Jan 4, 2022 14:17:30 GMT -5
As I said before, making Smart the 6th man is not to belittle his game. He is actually a starter in my eyes. We are just so inexperienced with our bench unit that a guy Smart, would make the others play better. In any case it is a compliment to the guy. Great Celtic 6th men over the years have included Ramsay, Nelson, Hondo, Walton, McHale.
That's elite company that Smart would be relegated to.
IUD needs to do a little homework and then make the case.
Others would then be called upon to step forward into the starting line up...
Next man up!
Pud
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Post by Admin on Jan 4, 2022 17:07:32 GMT -5
Mazz just made an argument for Brown as 6th man if not used in a major trade.
His take is that Brown could lead the 2nd team easily against opponents benches. He would dominate there and get away with poor handle and turnovers. As a starter he's relegated to a J shooter and occasional layup/drive due to JT being main ball handler when not in hands of a PG.
There's some truth to that with Josh taking his spot as a starter since Josh has been much better of late.
I just can't see trading him even if you agree with Mazz that he's only destined to be your 3rd best shooter.
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Post by elvissurfs on Jan 4, 2022 21:08:52 GMT -5
6th role is what i think. He would embrace that 6th role leadership and play way better. Using Smart out of position as a starting PG/SG is another classic example of:
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You have a guy who is an elite 6th man, defensive whiz and closer whom you abuse... and for what, exactly?
Everyone loses in the long run.
Pud
Actually, I have to disagree...not about Smart, but...it is called 'Robbing Peter to pay Paul and Mary'...
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Post by puddin on Jan 4, 2022 21:27:53 GMT -5
Using Smart out of position as a starting PG/SG is another classic example of:
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You have a guy who is an elite 6th man, defensive whiz and closer whom you abuse... and for what, exactly?
Everyone loses in the long run.
Pud
Actually, I have to disagree...not about Smart, but...it is called 'Robbing Peter to pay Paul and Mary'...
Mary Travers certainly went to seed.....
OUCH!!!!!
Pud
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Post by Admin on Jan 5, 2022 22:18:37 GMT -5
As I said before, making Smart the 6th man is not to belittle his game. He is actually a starter in my eyes. We are just so inexperienced with our bench unit that a guy Smart, would make the others play better. In any case it is a compliment to the guy. Great Celtic 6th men over the years have included Ramsay, Nelson, Hondo, Walton, McHale.
That's elite company that Smart would be relegated to.
IUD needs to do a little homework and then make the case.
Others would then be called upon to step forward into the starting line up...
Next man up!
Pud
Thought you'd have some interest in this 6th man idea from a weekly mailbag question on masslive.com with Brian Robb:
Should Ime go away from 2 big starts if the other team doesn’t have 2 bigs, & try someone else like Grant who has become more of a wing in order to get more spacing? Any trade target shooters? Ross? — Eddy FB
Ross is a popular name in today’s mailbag after that performance on Monday night. As far as a bench unit, I would be intrigued to see the Celtics bring Horford in as the sixth man with his recent shooting woes and use Grant Williams to help stretch the floor more with the starting group. The Celtics’ regular starters have only played eight games together this year so it’s unlikely that Udoka goes away from that group yet given their limited track record but it certainly would provide more offensive spacing and allow the C’s to run offense through bigs in both units with R. Williams and Horford at times.
I think it’s fair to look at some of the underachieving teams around the league for shooting options (Atlanta, Indiana, San Antonio, Portland). There’s a host of offensive-minded talent with some added depth in those groups and C’s might be able to pick someone up on the cheap (Justin Holiday?) without giving too much up in those scenarios.
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