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Post by kdp59 on Dec 7, 2021 15:03:43 GMT -5
we've all read/discussed why Boston will have an impossible task resigning Schroder without his bird rights after this year. He will likely get offers well over the $7M that Boston can pay him by the CBA/cap rules,
So IF Boston is looking to get back an asset this year (while he is playing at a high level), I think I came up with a three team trade that works all around.
First I looked for team that could open enough cap space to re-sign Schroder to a market deal ( between $12-18M) next season.
I come up with SA, Orl, OKC, NY and NO as the only options. out of those only OKC, NY and NO really have a need for a starting level PG.
Since OKC is in full rebuild I throw them out also. which leaves me with NY and NO.
NY can open up over $18M in cap room and NO can open up over $15M
so here is my three team trade idea
NY gets Schroder from Boston and G. Temple from NO
NO gets Kemba from NY and "Herman Gomez" from Boston along with a first round pick from Boston
Boston gets D. Graham from NO and Q. Grimes from NY
Cap stuff:
NY sends out $10.9M in salary and takes back $10.8M
NO sends out $15.9M in salary and takes back $15.7M
Boston sends out $12.9M and takes in $13.2M
Why each team does it:
NY gets Schroder who they can create cap room to resign next season without his bird rights. They Dump Kemba's salary this year and next. And bring in another Vet in Temple who plays defense which Thibs likes.
NO signed Graham as FA this off-season but there are rumors they will move on from him as he doesn't fit as well as they thought. They Get Kemba on a total of over $19M less money owed. Gomez will play with his brother the rest of this year and his salary is non-garneted the following year. Over all NO saves as much as $7.3M in salary next season, as much as $17,4M the following year AND gets an additional first round pick.
Boston gets Graham under a market contract for as much a 3 additional seasons and Q. Grimes on his rookie deal to replace that first round pick..
Contract details of each player:
Kemba- $8.7M + $9.1M
Q. Grimes- $2.2M+$2.2M+ $2.4M Rookie option + $4.3M Rookie option
D. Schroder- $5.89M+ UFA non bird
Herman- $7.0M + $7.5M non guaranteed
D. Graham- $11.3M+ 11.3M + 12.1M + 12.6M ( $2.8M guaranteed)
G. Temple- $4.9M + $5.1M + $5.4M Non guaranteed
This is one of the few moves I can come up with where the Celtics get something of real value for Schroder, before he leaves for nothing.
Free agents next year would then be Kanter, Parker and Bruno I think. Freedom (or another vet big)could be re-signed then with the taxpaying MLE , instead of having to use it for a replacement for Schroder who walked for nothing.
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Post by dfries13 on Dec 8, 2021 17:53:21 GMT -5
Justin Quinn
Wed, December 8, 2021, 4:02 PM
It was not so long ago that Boston Celtics fans found themselves ensnared in trade rumors regarding Portland Trail Blazers All-Star point guard Damian Lillard, with fans debating on whether it would make sense to deal All-Star forward Jaylen Brown for the Blazers floor general, with the general consensus seeming to be that the cost of the Portland player’s contract simply being too steep to take on.
The proposal
A panel of NBA experts put together five such proposals for a Wednesday article dedicated to re-homing Lillard, and NBA Insider Kevin Pelton whipped up quite a blockbuster for Boston to ponder.
The structure on Boston’s end includes Juancho Hernangomez, Al Horford, Aaron Nesmith, Payton Pritchard, and Dennis Schroder for players.
Now, just a day after reporting surfaced that Lillard had previously expressed interest in playing with Brown comes a trade proposal from ESPN that would see such a scenario play out — except that Dame would join Jaylen in Boston.
And yes, All-Star forward Jayson Tatum would still be on the team as well.
The proposal
The structure on Boston’s end includes Juancho Hernangomez, Al Horford, Aaron Nesmith, Payton Pritchard, and Dennis Schroder for players.
It also includes a 2022 first-round pick, a 2024 first-round pick, a 2026 first-round pick (top-10 protected in 2026, top-4 protected for 2027, and unprotected for 2028), and a 2028 first-round pick (top-4 protected in 2028 if the previous pick conveys in 2026; it converts to 2028 second-round pick if not conveyed) for draft assets.
In return, the Celtics get Damian Lillard, CJ Elleby, Ben McLemore, Tony Snell, and Cody Zeller.
NBA expert? Crack head more likely or maybe just a celtic fan
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Post by cole on Dec 8, 2021 21:59:04 GMT -5
There's a lot of risk involved with that. If Lillard doesn't produce we are screwed.
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Post by kdp59 on Dec 9, 2021 9:25:33 GMT -5
First off Portland isn't letting Dame walk for anything less than Tatum or Brown, forgetaboutit!
secondly no one likes my trade?
jeesh guys, you hurt my feeling ( I only have one)...LOL.
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Post by kdp59 on Dec 9, 2021 9:27:00 GMT -5
so now for $hits and giggles I present my second trade that Brad should do before the trade deadline:
Trade #1 is above of course
Trade #2:
J. Brown ($26.7M) and G. Williams ($2.6M)
to Atlanta for
J. Collins ( $23.0M) and C. Reddish ( $4.7M)
Brown goes back to Georgia and Boston gets an young big man under contract multiple years who is a GREAT player to team up with Rob long term. Boston also gets Reddish still on his rookie contract for this year and next and then is a RFA only (with full bird rights of course).
Roster after the trade deadline
Rob
Al
Kanter
Collins- Atl
Parker
Bruno
Tatum
Reddish-Atl
Richardson
Langford
Nesmith
Q. Grimes- NY
Smart
D. Graham- NO
Pritchard
out of those players Kanter, Parker and Bruno would be our only free agents after this season. We still have the draft rights to Madar, Begarin and our own second round pick in next years draft, as well as the taxpaying MLE to add a vet player as well (or even keep Kanter perhaps).
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Post by dfries13 on Dec 9, 2021 10:13:13 GMT -5
First off Portland isn't letting Dame walk for anything less than Tatum or Brown, forgetaboutit! secondly no one likes my trade? jeesh guys, you hurt my feeling ( I only have one)...LOL. yeah i know wasn't my dream some big shot sports writer ist trade for Schroder fine second one for Brown no your record is .500 on par with the team maybe an assistant coach job is in your future |
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Post by kdp59 on Dec 9, 2021 10:35:17 GMT -5
First off Portland isn't letting Dame walk for anything less than Tatum or Brown, forgetaboutit! secondly no one likes my trade? jeesh guys, you hurt my feeling ( I only have one)...LOL. yeah i know wasn't my dream some big shot sports writer ist trade for Schroder fine second one for Brown no your record is .500 on par with the team maybe an assistant coach job is in your future I'd take the trash man, I hear its a union job too!! sorry..trash person. |
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Post by kdp59 on Jan 9, 2022 10:26:00 GMT -5
found another team that has plenty of cap space to re-sign Schroder next season. Its also a team making a surprise run for a playoff push ahead of schedule. The Memphis Grizzlies my friends! Perhaps they see Schroder as a vet Guard to add off the bench for a deeper playoff run this year? with that in mind I give you: Schroder and Gomez (12.9M salary) to MEMPHIS for Tyrus Jones and B. Clarke (11.1M salary) Jones is an expiring deal at 8.4M but we would have his bird rights to keep him , unlike Schroder. Jones is small but an élite passer with a career assist to TO ratio over 4!! His 3 point shooting is slightly better than Schroder. here is comparison of the two players the past two seasons: stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=jonesty01&p1yrfrom=2021&p1yrto=2022&player_id2=schrode01&p2yrfrom=2021&p2yrto=2022Brandon Clarke is a young player I've always liked, good rebounder, active defender has one more year on his rookie deal at 4.4M after this season and then is a RFA. is NOT a good 3 point shooter however. Memphis is looking at being a playoff team this year now and may see Schroder as a good veteran guard to add. They also have over $20M in cap space next year to resign him long term,. despite not having his bird rights. I think it would be a sneaky good move at the deadline for Boston (assuming they are not looking at a bigger move), However Memphis would probably want some draft compensation for making that deal also I think, so we'd probably be looking at sending a future first with some type of lotto protections as well. I would only do that if Jones agrees to an extension of course as part of the trade. I doubt they will accept the gift of Bane we gave them last year as fair payment.............LOL. |
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Post by Admin on Jan 9, 2022 15:01:22 GMT -5
found another team that has plenty of cap space to re-sign Schroder next season. Its also a team making a surprise run for a playoff push ahead of schedule. The Memphis Grizzlies my friends! Perhaps they see Schroder as a vet Guard to add off the bench for a deeper playoff run this year? with that in mind I give you: Schroder and Gomez (12.9M salary) to MEMPHIS for Tyrus Jones and B. Clarke (11.1M salary) Jones is an expiring deal at 8.4M but we would have his bird rights to keep him , unlike Schroder. Jones is small but an élite passer with a career assist to TO ratio over 4!! His 3 point shooting is slightly better than Schroder. here is comparison of the two players the past two seasons: stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=jonesty01&p1yrfrom=2021&p1yrto=2022&player_id2=schrode01&p2yrfrom=2021&p2yrto=2022Brandon Clarke is a young player I've always liked, good rebounder, active defender has one more year on his rookie deal at 4.4M after this season and then is a RFA. is NOT a good 3 point shooter however. I think it would be a sneaky good move at the deadline for Boston (assuming they are not looking at a bigger move), However Memphis would probably want some draft compensation for making that deal also I think, so we'd probably be looking at sending a future first with some type of lotto protections as well. I would only do that if Jones agrees to an extension of course as part of the trade. I doubt they will accept the gift of Bane we gave them last year as fair payment.............LOL.
Wouldn't MEM face the same limitation we do when it comes to resigning Dennis as a FA ... some 8% raise cap?
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Post by kdp59 on Jan 9, 2022 15:11:00 GMT -5
Memphis only has something like $97M in salary on their books for next year. the biggest cap holds are K. Anderson and T. Jones (who would be in Boston). So they would have cap space to sign Schroder to a market deal, I think.
Not sure if they would see Schroder as an upgrade over Jones though to be honest, but I saw the future cap space and with them pushing for the playoffs who knows?
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Post by Admin on Jan 9, 2022 15:47:57 GMT -5
You miss my point. Wherever Dennis's contract expires the most they can offer to resign him is 120% of prior contract. Doesn't matter how much cap space MEM has. He can only be a s/t rental before they lose him to free agency like anyone else where his contract expires.
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Post by dfries13 on Jan 9, 2022 15:53:17 GMT -5
very little interest in Schroder last year.
little has changed he's unreliable the whole league knows that.
Don't see him fetching a 1st rounder or a promising PG.
Best case? two second rounders hope i'm wrong
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Post by Admin on Jan 9, 2022 18:46:00 GMT -5
Why the Boston Celtics do it
Picking up long-term money is worth it for Brad Stevens and co. for several reasons:
> Cap space will be very difficult to open up this coming offseason.
> Buddy Hield and Marvin Bagley III could be long-term role players. Assuming the Cs will avoid any bigger blockbuster deals involving Jaylen Brown–like HoosHabit’s Jack Simone is suggesting–the roster will be constructed around the ‘Jays’ moving forward in the foreseeable future. Buddy Hield is the ideal wing to make defenders pay for overloading on schemes aiming to slow down Brown and Jayson Tatum. Marvin Bagley III provides floor-spacing in a supporting capacity and low-post scoring in a featured capacity whenever the offense decides to run through the block. Sacramento has not featured Bagley much besides in games that didn’t feature COVID-affected rosters, but he could be devastating facing opposing second units while situated behind Robert Williams in the rotation. Ime Udoka could also toy with the idea of starting both bigs. As for Hield, his numbers are down with more competition in the Kings backcourt this season than ever before. Both guys could use a fresh start, and Boston could use a fresh sense of direction adding two young players that are also far beyond the ‘prospect’ label and on a similar timeline to their two best players.
Why the Sacramento Kings do it
Again, with a pick or two, this deal gets done for Sacramento…if they maintain (or improve) their current position in the Western Conference standings.
If the Kings are in an NBA Play-in position, it’d be imperative to be as competitive as possible. That fan base has waited 16 years (and counting) to break through to the postseason. This deal puts them in a better position to actually qualify for the NBA’s proverbial “second season”.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 9, 2022 19:23:03 GMT -5
Why the Boston Celtics do it
Picking up long-term money is worth it for Brad Stevens and co. for several reasons:
> Cap space will be very difficult to open up this coming offseason.
> Buddy Hield and Marvin Bagley III could be long-term role players. Assuming the Cs will avoid any bigger blockbuster deals involving Jaylen Brown–like HoosHabit’s Jack Simone is suggesting–the roster will be constructed around the ‘Jays’ moving forward in the foreseeable future. Buddy Hield is the ideal wing to make defenders pay for overloading on schemes aiming to slow down Brown and Jayson Tatum. Marvin Bagley III provides floor-spacing in a supporting capacity and low-post scoring in a featured capacity whenever the offense decides to run through the block. Sacramento has not featured Bagley much besides in games that didn’t feature COVID-affected rosters, but he could be devastating facing opposing second units while situated behind Robert Williams in the rotation. Ime Udoka could also toy with the idea of starting both bigs. As for Hield, his numbers are down with more competition in the Kings backcourt this season than ever before. Both guys could use a fresh start, and Boston could use a fresh sense of direction adding two young players that are also far beyond the ‘prospect’ label and on a similar timeline to their two best players.
Why the Sacramento Kings do it
Again, with a pick or two, this deal gets done for Sacramento…if they maintain (or improve) their current position in the Western Conference standings.
If the Kings are in an NBA Play-in position, it’d be imperative to be as competitive as possible. That fan base has waited 16 years (and counting) to break through to the postseason. This deal puts them in a better position to actually qualify for the NBA’s proverbial “second season”.
I don't know much about Bagley and Hield has been a disappointment to me. But it seem like an offensive upgrade. Definitely a youth infusion. |
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Post by dfries13 on Jan 9, 2022 19:35:13 GMT -5
This trade doesn't make either team a contender this year.
Ill take it but Hield has two more years at around 20 mil and we still have no PG.
Non't saving money just a tit for tat trade..
Bagley can walk next year or if he plays well its 15 to 18 mil to keep him
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 9, 2022 19:37:13 GMT -5
If we are doing this just to add Buddy...I'm down.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 9, 2022 19:39:08 GMT -5
Buddy,Brown,Tatum,Bagley,RWill
Pritchard,Smart,Nesmith,GWill,Freedom
Not terrible.
Romeo has been totally unreliable, so I left him out.
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Post by dfries13 on Jan 9, 2022 20:04:14 GMT -5
If we are doing this just to add Buddy...I'm down. 11 to 13 mil added to the Celtics already high payroll.. Assuming Hield for Schroder..... Sac comes out ahead they want Hield gone yesterday |
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 9, 2022 20:11:18 GMT -5
If we are doing this just to add Buddy...I'm down. 11 to 13 mil added to the Celtics already high payroll.. Assuming Hield for Schroder..... Sac comes out ahead they want Hield gone yesterday Well Schroder doesn't fit and Al is a short timer. So it's not bad for us either. I'm hoping for a real point guard though. Like Rubio. |
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 9, 2022 20:20:02 GMT -5
Boston-Hield, Bagley, Rubio
Cavs- Richardson, Langford
Sac- Horford, Schroder
Could be great, could be terrible.
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Post by Admin on Jan 9, 2022 20:29:38 GMT -5
Dennis is only a rental. Any team acquiring him via trade will not be able to keep him unless he's willing to play for $7.2MM which I doubt. Schroder has to become a FA to get his next contract ... end of story.
That limits his trade value and the teams that would pay something to get him for a few months and the playoffs to vet teams that have little we can use or if lucky a young team needing vet help for their 1st or next PO run with trade assets to spare.
But again ... whoever trades for him will have to be willing to watch him walk.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 9, 2022 20:33:26 GMT -5
I'm content with Juancho, Schroder, Langford and second rounders next year for Rubio
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Post by Admin on Jan 9, 2022 21:47:01 GMT -5
Here's another including Schroder & Horford:
The Celtics would bring in some marked offensive improvements to help Tatum and Brown, while the Clippers would shore up their defense for the long run when Paul George and Kawhi Leonard return from injuries. And most importantly, it doesn’t require the team to mortgage their future on a risky move for a star. In terms of fairness, this deal really depends on what you value. Schroder and Reggie Jackson are very similar players, as both are gifted scorers that aren’t exactly fantastic three point shooters. Jackson’s efficiency is way down from last season due to him having to pick up most of the slack in the wake of George and Leonard being injured. If Jackson ended up in Boston, he would most likely benefit from having less responsibility playing behind Tatum and Brown. Chowder And Champions Want your voice heard? Join the Chowder And Champions team! Write for us! Adding Luke Kennard would give the Boston Celtics a weapon they don’t have. Kennard is a three point specialist who has his limitations elsewhere on the court, but would give the offense something it doesn’t have right now. Smart’s defense would be missed, but he would probably be forgotten very quickly if Kennard comes in and shoots like he has his whole career. And then Marcus Morris Sr. would make a return to Boston, giving the team another shooter they desperately need. It’s been great having Al Horford back in the fold, but he’s clearly not the player he once was, and you can make a pretty convincing case that Grant Williams deserves to take over his starting role. Moving Horford would allow for this to happen, and give Boston’s bench another floor spacing shooter who could help open up the floor for Tatum and Brown. There are a lot of reasons to like this deal, but the main reason is because of how much offensive potential would be added to this team. It’s clear this team is not balanced in terms of offense and defense, and they desperately need an infusion of offensive talent. This deal would allow them to accomplish that, and while it would be tough to part with a hometown veteran like Smart, it would be necessary for the betterment of the team. chowderandchampions.com/2022/01/09/boston-celtics-rumors-2-trades-improve-teams-offense/2/Attachments:
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Post by Admin on Jan 9, 2022 21:54:01 GMT -5
One more while I'm at it:
Over the past several weeks we’ve seen plenty of ideas concocted that could wind up bolstering Boston’s talent pool in a multitude of areas and, recently, the folks at Bleacher Report proposed a deal that would bring the shamrocks a combination of solid two-way talent, a young prospect, and draft rights in exchange for two supposedly expendable role players.
Now, while the majority of attention from this piece by Dan Favale was focused on the impact that the move would have on the Utah Jazz, as a Boston Celtics site we can’t help but mainly think of how this exchange would affect the C’s and, well… we really like it.
Obviously, the main draw of this deal for the Celtics is seeing Joe Ingles make his way to Eastern Massachusetts and, while Favale was correct to point out how he’s seemingly regressed throughout this campaign when in comparison to years past, this has been whilst predominantly coming off the pine and, should he make his way to Boston, Ime Udoka should strongly consider slotting him into the starting five where, in this role, he has been rather impressive.
In eight total games serving in the first five for the Jazz, the guard finds himself posting solid averages of 11.6 points, four rebounds, and 3.3 assists on a stellar 51 percent shooting from the field and 49 percent shooting from deep on 6.4 attempts per game while also boasting a 57.1 effective field goal percentage in catch-and-shoot attempts on the year overall.
Having this type of two-way talent in the starting unit would help better space the floor while also giving lead guard, Marcus Smart, an efficient backcourt partner who can serve as an effective scorer when off-ball and a high-impact defensive presence (two attributes the team currently does not possess).
On top of this, the Boston Celtics also find themselves bringing on a second-round pick, the rights to a pick swap, and rookie guard Jared Butler who, throughout his three-year collegiate stint with Baylor, managed to establish himself as a quality long-range sniper, converting on 42 percent of his 3-point attempts during his final season while also seeing 16.7 points and 4.8 assists per game for the eventual NCAA Championship team whilst receiving the NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player award along the way.
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Post by kdp59 on Jan 10, 2022 7:50:40 GMT -5
You miss my point. Wherever Dennis's contract expires the most they can offer to resign him is 120% of prior contract. Doesn't matter how much cap space MEM has. He can only be a s/t rental before they lose him to free agency like anyone else where his contract expires. not if they have actual cap space. the only teams with projected cap space to be able to re-sign Schroder after this year are SA, Mem, NY, NO, OKC and Orlando I think so only those teams would trade much more than maybe a second round pick or an expiring bad contract for him. anyone else who would trade for Schroder would be in the same boat as the Celtics in re-signing him without his bird rights ( meaning they can only offer 120% of his current deal , MLE or vet minimum). |
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