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Post by Cabutan on Nov 28, 2021 10:10:44 GMT -5
Lillard is shooting worse than Tatum so far this year! Under 40%! Lillard at this point, would be no better than Kemba was his first season with the Celtics! There's very few I'd trade Tatum for, Luka, Gainnis, that's about it! that aint gonna happen. Those two are on a different level. We have to be realistic. Lillard is a better shooter than kemba. He just needs a new address.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 28, 2021 10:13:35 GMT -5
Funny. Someone echoed my statement
“Jaylen and Jayson aren’t making anyone better,” a Western Conference scout said. “I put that on them.” 10 hours ago
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Post by puddin on Nov 28, 2021 10:31:05 GMT -5
If you didn't hear what Max said post game this is it in a nutshell: Brown is the better of the two ... I keep Brown and deal Tatum because Brown is more athletic and a two-way player. Tatum has more tricks in his bag but he's not as complete a player as Jaylen.
Since I am not local, I never hear the pre or post games stuff except on U-tube. Most here know what i think about Tatum (Melo) and that I would try to sell high. That being said the owners would need some very large/hairy ones to OK any Tatum deal, IMO. The fan backlash would likely be extreme. I always come up with Lillard because he is one of the few top level NBA players who has been rumored to perhaps be available. Yes IF Ainge heads to Portland soon a Tatum (or Brown) deal could move higher as a possibility. for anyone interested here is a link to a "tear it all down "option I posted yesterday as part sarcasm and part what could be likely. Not for the faint of heart, however. www.celticsblog.com/2021/11/27/22804675/for-those-who-may-be-in-the-tear-it-all-down-mindset-at-this-momentIt wasn't that long ago that the owners needed large hairy ones to trade away another face-of-the-franchise fan favorite.
They waited years too late to sum up the courage to pull the trigger, no doubt fearing fan backlash.
Turns out they got Jae Crowder in return.
Mr. Ruffles is here to stay... 'til he decides when it's in his best interest to move on.
Pud
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 28, 2021 10:34:24 GMT -5
Lillard is shooting worse than Tatum so far this year! Under 40%! Lillard at this point, would be no better than Kemba was his first season with the Celtics! There's very few I'd trade Tatum for, Luka, Gainnis, that's about it! that aint gonna happen. Those two are on a different level. We have to be realistic. Lillard is a better shooter than kemba. He just needs a new address. I would add Jokic to the list I'd trade Tatum for! I know it's not gonna happen, but I still believe Tatum will be a top 5 player before he's done!
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 28, 2021 10:37:09 GMT -5
I believe a good shooter or two would help Tatum's game. Every teams defense is designed to stop him, he's double and triple teamed at times, because teams know the other guys can't beat them! He's trying too hard and pressing, because he knows he needs to have a big game or we'll lose! Fournier would have helped, but we still would need more shooters! Tatum could average 6 to 8 assists easy, if guys could make an open shot. agree, BUT Tatum attacks the double and triple teams and rarely passes out of it! That’s the problem. If the guys he passed to made their shots, you would notice it more!
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 28, 2021 10:38:03 GMT -5
You guys are nuts...Tatum is young...gotta get him some guys so it is not all on him...or play Nesmith, and give RWill some steroids... I'm starting to like you!
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 28, 2021 10:46:03 GMT -5
that aint gonna happen. Those two are on a different level. We have to be realistic. Lillard is a better shooter than kemba. He just needs a new address. I would add Jokic to the list I'd trade Tatum for! I know it's not gonna happen, but I still tobelieve Tatum will be a top 5 player before he's done! what makes you think that way? There are rookkes putting better numbers this season same with two year old players. I say tatum right now has at least 15 better players ahead of him
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 28, 2021 11:01:48 GMT -5
Tatum and Brown are getting people open with the attention they draw.
They just aren't very effective at making something out of it most of the time.
Also these zones make driving and dumping of way more difficult.
There is always multiple defenders in the paint.
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Post by puddin on Nov 28, 2021 11:07:38 GMT -5
Tatum and Brown are getting people open with the attention they draw. They just aren't very effective at making something out of it most of the time. Also these zones make driving and dumping of way more difficult. There is always multiple defenders in the paint. The Jays are shoot first players, no matter who their supporting cast happens to be.
And the defense knows that and schemes accordingly.
Pud
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 28, 2021 11:09:55 GMT -5
I would add Jokic to the list I'd trade Tatum for! I know it's not gonna happen, but I still tobelieve Tatum will be a top 5 player before he's done! what makes you think that way? There are rookkes putting better numbers this season same with two year old players. I say tatum right now has at least 15 better players ahead of him If you replaced Tatum with any other player you wanted, we would still be a 500 team! Tatum and Brown needs better players, better shooters!
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 28, 2021 11:26:05 GMT -5
what makes you think that way? There are rookkes putting better numbers this season same with two year old players. I say tatum right now has at least 15 better players ahead of him If you replaced Tatum with any other player you wanted, we would still be a 500 team! Tatum and Brown needs better players, better shooters! Amen to that. Also a better dribble penetrator who is hopefully a good 3 point shooter, because Brown and Tatum don't yet have the handles for that. Smart doesn't have the quickness. Schroder does but his handles and vision don't match his quickness. That is why he mostly drives to score and is fantastic at it. We really could use a Chris Paul to put everything together. That is why I suggested Rondo. He is a better 3 shooter. Patty Mills can do those things for our offense but can't play Schroders defense. Its a difficult puzzle. Why aren't we getting to see Juancho and Bruno when we need energy in the floor? Until then we need to create our offense like the 2002 Sacramento Kings. Bigs up high on offense setting picks and finding guys in the post or on a cut or in the corner. Bibby and Bobby Jackson were only decent drivers and dishers and it worked. But they were good outside shooters. That would help Smart & Pritchard alot offensively.
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 28, 2021 11:36:10 GMT -5
Coach is playing his starting line up too much, trying to protect his job, make him not look like a fool, but it is having the opposite effect...he needs to take a longer view and play deeper into his bench and develop them...Langford, Nesmith, and Pritchard arent going to get any better watching the J's play ISO ball...
Whatever happened to the coach being introduced who poked a jab at exiting Coach Stevens about assists and moving the ball?...rookie Coach Ime is in over his head...he has retreated into his turtle shell...
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Post by puddin on Nov 28, 2021 11:55:50 GMT -5
what makes you think that way? There are rookkes putting better numbers this season same with two year old players. I say tatum right now has at least 15 better players ahead of him If you replaced Tatum with any other player you wanted, we would still be a 500 team! Tatum and Brown needs better players, better shooters!
Oh.....?
here's a favorite troll, peering into the future.
Hard to argue about rank speculation
... but keep us posted, Ky!
Pud
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Post by cole on Nov 28, 2021 11:58:09 GMT -5
Let's go (OSU) Cowboys. Send the deserters home with an L! congratulations! The game truly was bedlam.
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 28, 2021 12:11:19 GMT -5
The game truly was bedlam. I watched Michigan and OS,Alabama and Auburn, And Oklahoma and OKS, what a day for college football!
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 28, 2021 12:14:52 GMT -5
Coach is playing his starting line up too much, trying to protect his job, make him not look like a fool, but it is having the opposite effect...he needs to take a longer view and play deeper into his bench and develop them...Langford, Nesmith, and Pritchard arent going to get any better watching the J's play ISO ball... Whatever happened to the coach being introduced who poked a jab at exiting Coach Stevens about assists and moving the ball?...rookie Coach Ime is in over his head...he has retreated into his turtle shell... Yes Sir!
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 28, 2021 12:16:33 GMT -5
what makes you think that way? There are rookkes putting better numbers this season same with two year old players. I say tatum right now has at least 15 better players ahead of him If you replaced Tatum with any other player you wanted, we would still be a 500 team! Tatum and Brown needs better players, better shooters! thats always the perception. Good thing that you have a crystal ball
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 28, 2021 16:31:57 GMT -5
Crap...I was just enjoying my day reveling in the Pats victory, and about to head to the pool for a bit, when I remembered the Celtics are playing today...don't think I can bring myself to watch much of it...really happy about the Pats rapid rise...what a turnaround...
Maybe BB can coach and GM the Celtics for a couple of years...
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