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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 10, 2021 22:41:43 GMT -5
Who would we have to give up?
At best Smart, Richardson and Romeo.
Then where is our defense? We lose 3 of our 5 best perimeter defenders. (Schroder and Brown are ahead of Romeo and Richardson, imo)
What exactly does Ben do to make us better? The Jays do not want to be spot up shooters. So how does he make them better? He can't space the floor for them.
Ben Simmons needs to be surrounded by shooters and superior athletes like Toronto has.
If he had a respectable scoring repertoire I would feel differently.
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Post by cole on Nov 10, 2021 23:14:48 GMT -5
Ben could be a great defender if he wanted. He has been at times. Losing defense isn't my concern with that trade.
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Post by kdp59 on Nov 11, 2021 8:58:20 GMT -5
Richardson is starting to hit his stride as they say now and is showing why Stevens went and got him, IMO.
but more to your point here:
Simmons is a better overall player than Smart and if it were a one on one trade with the salary's close a fair argument could be made for that trade.
But Simmons is earning $33M plus a year and its very hard to tie that up a guy who has little to no confidence in his shot or FT shooting right now.
So I say no to Simmons also, but mostly because of his salary.
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Post by croc on Nov 11, 2021 9:07:23 GMT -5
Who would we have to give up? At best Smart, Richardson and Romeo. Then where is our defense? We lose 3 of our 5 best perimeter defenders. (Schroder and Brown are ahead of Romeo and Richardson, imo) What exactly does Ben do to make us better? The Jays do not want to be spot up shooters. So how does he make them better? He can't space the floor for them. Ben Simmons needs to be surrounded by shooters and superior athletes like Toronto has. If he had a respectable scoring repertoire I would feel differently. You forgot Williams and a slew of #1s. None of which Philly wants. We shouldn't want Simmons either. |
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 11, 2021 20:32:07 GMT -5
Lol...this should be under the 'great calls made here' thread...Simmons would be a disaster here...
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 12, 2021 8:00:24 GMT -5
Richardson is starting to hit his stride as they say now and is showing why Stevens went and got him, IMO. but more to your point here: Simmons is a better overall player than Smart and if it were a one on one trade with the salary's close a fair argument could be made for that trade. But Simmons is earning $33M plus a year and its very hard to tie that up a guy who has little to no confidence in his shot or FT shooting right now. So I say no to Simmons also, but mostly because of his salary. His salary wouldn't be a problem though if he had the game to justify it! Lol |
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Post by puddin on Nov 12, 2021 8:12:48 GMT -5
Richardson is starting to hit his stride as they say now and is showing why Stevens went and got him, IMO. but more to your point here: Simmons is a better overall player than Smart and if it were a one on one trade with the salary's close a fair argument could be made for that trade. But Simmons is earning $33M plus a year and its very hard to tie that up a guy who has little to no confidence in his shot or FT shooting right now. So I say no to Simmons also, but mostly because of his salary. His salary wouldn't be a problem though if he had the game to justify it! Lol If he had a game to go with the salary, my guess is that he would be more than happy playing in Philly.
Pud
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Post by kdp59 on Nov 12, 2021 9:00:19 GMT -5
His salary wouldn't be a problem though if he had the game to justify it! Lol If he had a game to go with the salary, my guess is that he would be more than happy playing in Philly.
Pud
I think his desire to get out of Philly is directly related to Doc and Embiid bashing him after they lost in the playoffs last year. Now should he have been called out for passing up easy shots , perhaps. But to do so as aggressively as Doc did, would cause any player to say " I'm outa here", IMO. |
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Post by puddin on Nov 12, 2021 9:49:53 GMT -5
If he had a game to go with the salary, my guess is that he would be more than happy playing in Philly.
Pud
I think his desire to get out of Philly is directly related to Doc and Embiid bashing him after they lost in the playoffs last year. Now should he have been called out for passing up easy shots , perhaps. But to do so as aggressively as Doc did, would cause any player to say " I'm outa here", IMO. Let me rephrase then....
If he had a game to go with the salary, my guess is that everyone would be more than happy [he is] playing in Philly.
Pud
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 12, 2021 13:46:51 GMT -5
Doc wouldn't expose a guy who was applying himself to his craft and just in a funk.
Buyer beware!
Remember when Cleveland gladly traded Kyrie!
Remember when Goat didn't want to pay Kemba?
Let's not do THAT again.
BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD!
Like thinking that woman just hasn't had the right man, yet.
Nope! She's the problem in the multiple failed relationships!
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 12, 2021 13:51:12 GMT -5
If Ben would play SF and post up effectively 80% of the time and get his free throws to 70%.
He could be great here!
Those are some big ifs!
No Brown,Tatum or RWill.
Or Horford actually!
Horford is reminding me what we lost when he left.
Nobody filled his shoes posting up AND assisting, and now rebounding and blocks!?
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Post by kdp59 on Nov 12, 2021 18:19:54 GMT -5
to be clear here...I do NOT want Simmons on the Celtics. I feel his Salary value is in the $20M range, not $33M plus.
that said, I think most of this stuff falls on Doc and his big mouth. Frankly, if I were Simmons I would have told ownership right after that , I would never play for him again PERIOD.
Simmons has made %57M in NBA salary's already, I would be fine the rest of my life with that $$$ and I'd let them know it. so trade me or not I WILL NOT PLAY FOR DOC RIVERS AGAIN PERIOD!!
go ahead and fine me all my salary every year, who knows maybe somehow the NBA and NBAPA will allow Philly to take my salary off your cap (doubtful) either way you will not have ME or another player because you are too dumb to trade me.
good luck as Embiid starts to age, because I have plenty of money and am very good thanks!
then I'd look and Morey and say, you'll be fired within two years and so will you Doc (fired again)
but then I am a real asshole, Simmons probably isn't....LOL.
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Post by puddin on Nov 12, 2021 18:32:48 GMT -5
to be clear here...I do NOT want Simmons on the Celtics. I feel his Salary value is in the $20M range, not $33M plus. that said, I think most of this stuff falls on Doc and his big mouth. Frankly, if I were Simmons I would have told ownership right after that , I would never play for him again PERIOD. Simmons has made %57M in NBA salary's already, I would be fine the rest of my life with that $$$ and I'd let them know it. so trade me or not I WILL NOT PLAY FOR DOC RIVERS AGAIN PERIOD!! go ahead and fine me all my salary every year, who knows maybe somehow the NBA and NBAPA will allow Philly to take my salary off your cap (doubtful) either way you will not have ME or another player because you are too dumb to trade me. good luck as Embiid starts to age, because I have plenty of money and am very good thanks! then I'd look and Morey and say, you'll be fired within two years and so will you Doc (fired again) but then I am a real asshole, Simmons probably isn't....LOL. Doc has never been known to have a big mouth.
He is a "player's coach."
For him to go public my guess is that he tried every other strategy to get Simmon's attention.
And only when all else failed did he speak out.
Pud
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 12, 2021 18:34:35 GMT -5
Here is another Simmons I would rather have....
Variety
KISS’ Gene Simmons Says Anyone ‘Willing to Walk Among Us Unvaccinated Is an Enemy’
Michele Amabile Angermiller
Thu, November 11, 2021, 5:31 PM
KISS founder Gene Simmons has always had a sharp tongue, and he didn’t mince words during an appearance with host Steve Harkins on Talkshoplive’s Rock N’ Roll Channel when asked about his feelings regarding those who are still unvaccinated.
“If you’re willing to walk among us unvaccinated, you are an enemy,” he said, pointedly.
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Simmons — who was on hand to talk about the 45th anniversary of the classic KISS album “Destroyer” — took aim at those who refuse to take the vaccine in a sharply worded retort.
“I don’t care about your political beliefs. You are not allowed to infect anybody just because you think you’ve got rights that are delusional, of course,” the rocker said. “You don’t have the right to go through a red light — actually, the government has the right to tell you to stop. You have to put on a seatbelt. If they tell you you can’t smoke in a building, you can’t smoke in a building. And that’s not because they want to take away your rights, it’s because the rest of us hate it! We don’t want to smell your smoke. I don’t want to catch your disease. I don’t want to risk my life just because you want to go through a red light,” he told Harkins.
He continued: “This whole idea — this delusional, evil idea that you get to do whatever you want and the rest of the world be damned — is really terrible. We’ve gotta identify those people and bring them out into the open so you know who they are. Know who your friends are by how much they care about you. That includes COVID.”
Simmons quickly dismissed beliefs that those dying from COVID-19 did so because they were overweight or smokers.
“For those who don’t believe this is real, over 5 million human beings have died from COVID. I know there are Flat Earth Society people who believe that and people who believe in all sorts of things (like) they died because they were fat or died because they smoked,” he said. “No, bitch, they died because they got COVID. And there are still a lot of people who don’t believe that, and you have to find out who those people are. I don’t care if you play football or not, stay away from evil people who don’t care about your health.”
Simmons also took aim at politics, claiming both sides as “evil.”
“It has become political; unfortunately, the far left and the far right, they are both evil. They both spread all kinds of nonsense, I don’t like either one of them. Politics are the enemy,” he said. “Humanism and humanity is what we should all be (embracing). Love thy neighbor as thyself. For God’s sake, if I’m going to yawn in your presence, I’m going to put my hand up in front of my mouth. Yawning is not a life-threatening event. You having COVID might be a life-threatening event, and I don’t want to catch it. “
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Post by kdp59 on Nov 12, 2021 19:22:32 GMT -5
here's a deal being floated hardwoodhoudini.com/2021/11/12/boston-celtics-towns-traded-cs/Boston Celtics receive: Karl-Anthony Towns Philadelphia 76ers receive: Jaylen Brown and Patrick Beverley Minnesota Timberwolves receive: Ben Simmons, Robert Williams III, Matisse Thybulle, Jaden Springer and 2022 first-round pick (from PHI) I dunno about that one either myself: maybe Boston gets KAT, Bolamaso from Minny and Springer from Phily Minny gets Simmons, Rob and Juancho Phil gets Brown and Beverly yeah and I want a first from Minny also in that one at LEAST! |
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Post by DaCeltics on Nov 12, 2021 20:17:46 GMT -5
here's a deal being floated hardwoodhoudini.com/2021/11/12/boston-celtics-towns-traded-cs/Boston Celtics receive: Karl-Anthony Towns Philadelphia 76ers receive: Jaylen Brown and Patrick Beverley Minnesota Timberwolves receive: Ben Simmons, Robert Williams III, Matisse Thybulle, Jaden Springer and 2022 first-round pick (from PHI) I dunno about that one either myself: maybe Boston gets KAT, Bolamaso from Minny and Springer from Phily Minny gets Simmons, Rob and Juancho Phil gets Brown and Beverly yeah and I want a first from Minny also in that one at LEAST! ![]()  How I feel about trading Brown and RWill. ![]() |
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 18, 2021 13:23:29 GMT -5
Dennis for Simmons.
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Post by cole on Nov 18, 2021 16:47:57 GMT -5
Probably a fair trade for both, but way off on the numbers |
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Post by dfries13 on Nov 18, 2021 19:21:24 GMT -5
De'Aaron Fox and Buddy Hield for Simmons is the most likely. .
No way Simmons sees Boston,,
ah no money off about 10 mil... doesn't work insert Bagley or Barnes maybe.
Simmons wants west coast...
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Post by kdp59 on Nov 19, 2021 8:15:30 GMT -5
De'Aaron Fox and Buddy Hield for Simmons is the most likely. . No way Simmons sees Boston,, ah no money off about 10 mil... doesn't work insert Bagley or Barnes maybe. Simmons wants west coast... I think it'll end up being Fox for Simmons even up, the numbers work and the Kings stay just below the tax line afterwards. Fox and Haliburton are not meshing well so far there and Simmons playing with H. Barnes at forward could be a nice mix as well. Philly will be lucky to get anyone better than Fox for Simmons and they should jump on it, if the Kings make the offer. I think it happens before Festivus! besides we all know that at the trade deadline Brown, Juancho and 2- seconds are going to the Kings for Hield and Bagley. you wasn't in that email thread from Brad? HAPPY FESTIVUS TO US ALL!!! |
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Post by cole on Nov 19, 2021 9:00:39 GMT -5
De'Aaron Fox and Buddy Hield for Simmons is the most likely. . No way Simmons sees Boston,, ah no money off about 10 mil... doesn't work insert Bagley or Barnes maybe. Simmons wants west coast... I think it'll end up being Fox for Simmons even up, the numbers work and the Kings stay just below the tax line afterwards. Fox and Haliburton are not meshing well so far there and Simmons playing with H. Barnes at forward could be a nice mix as well. Philly will be lucky to get anyone better than Fox for Simmons and they should jump on it, if the Kings make the offer. I think it happens before Festivus! besides we all know that at the trade deadline Brown, Juancho and 2- seconds are going to the Kings for Hield and Bagley. you wasn't in that email thread from Brad? HAPPY FESTIVUS TO US ALL!!! Imo that would make phili really good IF Embiid is willing to give up a lot of offensive usage, and pick up a lot of slack defensively |
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Post by dfries13 on Nov 19, 2021 9:59:20 GMT -5
De'Aaron Fox and Buddy Hield for Simmons is the most likely. . No way Simmons sees Boston,, ah no money off about 10 mil... doesn't work insert Bagley or Barnes maybe. Simmons wants west coast... I think it'll end up being Fox for Simmons even up, the numbers work and the Kings stay just below the tax line afterwards. Fox and Haliburton are not meshing well so far there and Simmons playing with H. Barnes at forward could be a nice mix as well. Philly will be lucky to get anyone better than Fox for Simmons and they should jump on it, if the Kings make the offer. I think it happens before Festivus! besides we all know that at the trade deadline Brown, Juancho and 2- seconds are going to the Kings for Hield and Bagley. you wasn't in that email thread from Brad? HAPPY FESTIVUS TO US ALL!!! your only half right Brad i hope Brad assured Brown he wasn't going anywhere. lets be clear i'm not remotely connected to Brad on anything never never never.. He's the likely biggest cause of Tatum's setback.. Juancho is up for grabs i expect he will be packaged with PP Langsford or to my great dismay Nesmith. My thoughts sell Grant to anyone for anything before he stops hitting his shots he's not a smart player as was advertised |
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