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Post by DaCeltics on Feb 8, 2021 8:21:19 GMT -5
Dylan Moses might actually be my #2 LB in this draft.
I think you need speed at the linebacker position so that they can swarm tackle.
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Post by DaCeltics on Feb 8, 2021 8:45:50 GMT -5
If the choice is JOK or Mack Jones I pick Jeremiah and I go with Peyton Ramsey at quarterback in a later round.
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Post by DaCeltics on Feb 8, 2021 9:13:40 GMT -5
I think I am going with Kellen Mond for QB.
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Post by croc on Feb 9, 2021 10:44:57 GMT -5
Mond is a good target if they use the second rd pick on a vet QB,
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Post by croc on Feb 9, 2021 15:56:48 GMT -5
Dan Hansuz of NFL network Power Rankings said JG returning to the Pats seems to be "written on the walls". He's one of the better analysts definitely no BS artist. He also thinks the '9ers will trade for Sam Darnold, who he says would fit perfectly in their system.
Ya Mond may be a 3rd rounder with a ton of upside. He's someone I can see the Pats looking to groom.
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Post by croc on Feb 20, 2021 6:56:49 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear Jimmy is Plan A. Whether they wait for him to spring free is another matter. Jimmy is plug and play in their system. Injuries? They all get them. Learning avoidance is possible, witness the guy in Tampa. Plan B is Mariota. He is available for a 3rd rounder Vegas will have to part with either he or Carr. It sounds like they want to keep Carr (If the elect to trade Carr SF is a likely landing spot). Keep your eyes on Vegas.
We keep hearing about Cam. Cam is plan Z Break Glass In Case of Emergency. While he sucks at QB, don't overlook that his is very highly thought of by players. He may be a bonus in recruiting talent. Building a foundation is what 2021 is all about. Making the playoffs or being an actual factor are icing with a cherry on top. Jimmy gets them into the playoffs. Mariota might if they can turn him around. Cam helps recruiting if nothing else.
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Post by DaCeltics on Feb 20, 2021 21:23:55 GMT -5
I think it's pretty clear Jimmy is Plan A. Whether they wait for him to spring free is another matter. Jimmy is plug and play in their system. Injuries? They all get them. Learning avoidance is possible, witness the guy in Tampa. Plan B is Mariota. He is available for a 3rd rounder Vegas will have to part with either he or Carr. It sounds like they want to keep Carr (If the elect to trade Carr SF is a likely landing spot). Keep your eyes on Vegas. We keep hearing about Cam. Cam is plan Z Break Glass In Case of Emergency. While he sucks at QB, don't overlook that his is very highly thought of by players. He may be a bonus in recruiting talent. Building a foundation is what 2021 is all about. Making the playoffs or being an actual factor are icing with a cherry on top. Jimmy gets them into the playoffs. Mariota might if they can turn him around. Cam helps recruiting if nothing else. I thought he might lure some free agents on offense too! Also at this point I don't think Bill wants to give away any type of draft compensation. Only if absolutely necessary.
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Post by croc on Feb 21, 2021 6:50:43 GMT -5
He's not going to trade up in rd 1 at least in a big way that is for sure. I saw a graphic yesterday no first rd QBs picked between 2009 and 2016 are with the club that took them. That covers Wentz, Winston, Bortles, Bridgewater and Goff. Wentz and Goff still got mega deals and suck. Teddy B got a decent deal. Winston will this year, and they still suck.
Mariota is in that group too. Ya trade a middle round pick if they have to, and see if McD and BB can get him back to year 2 when he was pretty good. Low risk / possible decent return. I doubt Wetnz does any better in Indy. He's a head case. Goff just isn't that good. ...BB would still trade the 2nd rd pick for JG given the chance.
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Post by DaCeltics on Feb 21, 2021 8:36:10 GMT -5
He's not going to trade up in rd 1 at least in a big way that is for sure. I saw a graphic yesterday no first rd QBs picked between 2009 and 2016 are with the club that took them. That covers Wentz, Winston, Bortles, Bridgewater and Goff. Wentz and Goff still got mega deals and suck. Teddy B got a decent deal. Winston will this year, and they still suck. Mariota is in that group too. Ya trade a middle round pick if they have to, and see if McD and BB can get him back to year 2 when he was pretty good. Low risk / possible decent return. I doubt Wetnz does any better in Indy. He's a head case. Goff just isn't that good. ...BB would still trade the 2nd rd pick for JG given the chance. Trey Lance is considered a 1st round QB, but a second rounder looks better to me. Kellen Mond. Mond seems to stay in the pocket longer and runs a lot faster. They are about the same height and weight. 6'3 220lbs
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Post by DaCeltics on Feb 21, 2021 8:38:54 GMT -5
Do you see any chance of him acquiring a late 1st rounder/we early second rounder to tak a guy like Christian Barmore?
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Post by croc on Feb 21, 2021 9:27:17 GMT -5
If they don't deal the second rd pick for Jimmy, they could move up into the first round. I think the #15 is locked and loaded for the front 7 D or possibly TE should Pitts slip. One reason they might like Mariota is they can hang onto the top 3 picks, including the Brady 3rd rd comp pick. ...Cam is the emergency guy, dire emergency.
Pats view TE as almost a D player as they get the tough yards to move chains and block - both pass and run. The 2 birds they drafted last year couldn't block well enough, had issues receiving, let alone throw a block and go out. Fauria thinks Asiasi can be fixed with coaching - we'll see. I think they most likely sign a decent TE like Everett or trade for one.
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Post by DaCeltics on Feb 21, 2021 14:26:02 GMT -5
I would like to come away with Jeremiah Owusu-Koromoah and Barmore when the 1st concludes.
2nd round go for Kellen Mond and Rhamondre Stevenson.
3rd Round Tylan Wallace and Jaelon Darden.
4th round Tyler Shelvin.
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Post by croc on Mar 13, 2021 6:51:09 GMT -5
Yes Cam was signed for backup money. His contract works like $3.5M to sign another $1.5M if he starts and $9M for hard to obtain honors. Like most NFL contracts the reported 14M is mostly fluff. More than likely a better vet and a relatively high pick are brought in. If you believe the talking heads they needed a body in place to start FA and Cam is still highly respected.
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Post by croc on Mar 20, 2021 7:36:17 GMT -5
Seems like they've assembled everything they need to contend...except the QB. Jimmy is sounding very doubtful. Watson's probably going on the exempt list and will create a log jam. Maybe the best available are Mariota & Smith as FAs, and Minshew in a trade. I'd go Minshew as a game manager. Smith is too fragile.
They have met most of the needs except signing or replacing Guy and depth at LB. Guy us possible the two DLs they signed Anderson and Godchou are more run stuffers not 3 down DLs like Guy. Uche and Jennings are the depth at LB. Uche is okay in passing downs. Jennings seems like garbage.
They have draft capitol to move up for a QB. If the names are Fields, Jones and maybe Lance. Select the man you want for the future and get them.
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Post by DaCeltics on Apr 5, 2021 17:19:12 GMT -5
I like Trask too.
He looks solid.
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Post by croc on Apr 7, 2021 19:34:54 GMT -5
Trask or Mond seem the most likely. The Pats prolly go best front 7 D with the first pick. A LOT of drafts have them taking Parsons, which would be great. He can replace Tower in a year.
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Post by Admin on Apr 10, 2021 0:10:13 GMT -5
If the Panthers can't trade Bridgewater and end up cutting him, he's guaranteed $10MM.
SO if the Pats were to sign him for say $1MM then the Panthers would be on the hook for the balance or $9MM.
Is any other team gonna offer him more than $10MM taking the Panthers off the hook for the guarantee? Why would they if they can wait and pay a partial of the guarantee?
With both Bridgewater & Newton they can secure the future with a young QB draft pick as you've discussed and have two vets with a starter and backup.
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Post by croc on Apr 10, 2021 7:01:13 GMT -5
Teddy was on my list too...I have a good friend who's a Panthers fan. Teddy is possible and together they may very well be enough to get them into the first round. Here is his description of last year: He's a good leader and man. But had trouble adapting to a new team. His arm is now questionable both accuracy and strength. He was unable to lead the team from behind. Sound familiar?
It now sounds like Garoppolo will be dealt by SF to the highest bidder (of his choice) at or just after the draft. Our obstinate coach may not be willing to pay the price. A healthy JG puts them in contention with this team. Depending on the draft they have a ~3 year window. They can't be wasting it on 1 and done.
Hoyer is looking at other jobs anyway :Shrug
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Post by Admin on Apr 10, 2021 19:12:58 GMT -5
Teddy was on my list too...I have a good friend who's a Panthers fan. Teddy is possible and together they may very well be enough to get them into the first round. Here is his description of last year: He's a good leader and man. But had trouble adapting to a new team. His arm is now questionable both accuracy and strength. He was unable to lead the team from behind. Sound familiar? It now sounds like Garoppolo will be dealt by SF to the highest bidder (of his choice) at or just after the draft. Our obstinate coach may not be willing to pay the price. A healthy JG puts them in contention with this team. Depending on the draft they have a ~3 year window. They can't be wasting it on 1 and done. Hoyer is looking at other jobs anyway :Shrug
After all the $ spent on FAs it would be wise to pay whatever the price will be to land Garoppolo if the Pats really believe in him. Why be cheap now?
As far as the draft goes, I've read a few differing opinions on 1st round picks ... one has us swapping #15 & a 3rd for the Giants #11 for a CB and another trading up to #4 Atlanta if Fields is still on the board. Still another has us picking QB Mills in the 3rd round.
Seems it'll take 1 FRDP or more for Jimmy and twice as much to get up to #4 which I'd be shocked to see Bill do. "Stranger Things" have happened though so if he thinks his next Garoppolo is there in the draft he might just go for it with all those FAs aboard.
I think he holds out for Jimmy and then a 3rd rd option to go with him & Newton.
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Post by croc on Apr 12, 2021 5:08:51 GMT -5
Teddy was on my list too...I have a good friend who's a Panthers fan. Teddy is possible and together they may very well be enough to get them into the first round. Here is his description of last year: He's a good leader and man. But had trouble adapting to a new team. His arm is now questionable both accuracy and strength. He was unable to lead the team from behind. Sound familiar? It now sounds like Garoppolo will be dealt by SF to the highest bidder (of his choice) at or just after the draft. Our obstinate coach may not be willing to pay the price. A healthy JG puts them in contention with this team. Depending on the draft they have a ~3 year window. They can't be wasting it on 1 and done. Hoyer is looking at other jobs anyway :Shrug
After all the $ spent on FAs it would be wise to pay whatever the price will be to land Garoppolo if the Pats really believe in him. Why be cheap now?
As far as the draft goes, I've read a few differing opinions on 1st round picks ... one has us swapping #15 & a 3rd for the Giants #11 for a CB and another trading up to #4 Atlanta if Fields is still on the board. Still another has us picking QB Mills in the 3rd round.
Seems it'll take 1 FRDP or more for Jimmy and twice as much to get up to #4 which I'd be shocked to see Bill do. "Stranger Things" have happened though so if he thinks his next Garoppolo is there in the draft he might just go for it with all those FAs aboard.
I think he holds out for Jimmy and then a 3rd rd option to go with him & Newton.
I think your last sentence is the plan. It's weird all the mocks have QBs rising. Trask who was thought to be a later 2nd - 3rd rounder is now in the late first round in many. Mills is in the middle second he was thought to be a 3rd day pick. ...We'll see how much he wants Jimmy. If they give up a first rounder it will be a conditional 2022 pick similar to Wentz. They could sweeten it with Harry
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Post by elvissurfs on Apr 18, 2021 20:59:52 GMT -5
Stafford didnt want to be traded the NE. That really hurts because of the ricochet effect with SF as well. He didnt go to SF, making Jimmy expendable. Maybe something will happen here that will allow SF to part ways with Jimmy Stat Padford is worthless...chalks up stats when down by a ton and the 'prevent' D is on him...
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Post by elvissurfs on Apr 18, 2021 21:01:21 GMT -5
I think Cam is coming back. I think him and Belichick have a handshake. You called it...
I had no idea you guys were talking Patriots here...
fun to read the thread with the benefit of hindsight...
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Post by elvissurfs on Apr 18, 2021 22:03:40 GMT -5
Yes Cam was signed for backup money. His contract works like $3.5M to sign another $1.5M if he starts and $9M for hard to obtain honors. Like most NFL contracts the reported 14M is mostly fluff. More than likely a better vet and a relatively high pick are brought in. If you believe the talking heads they needed a body in place to start FA and Cam is still highly respected. Interesting...hmmm...
I thought more of the 14 was guaranteed...and I have also felt that Cam was signed because he should be better in his second year with the team and with somewhat of an actual team around him...8 guys opted out last year due to covid and we had a heck of a free agency season...
But maybe the Pats do make another move at QB...still do not think so though...
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Post by croc on Apr 19, 2021 18:07:12 GMT -5
Yes Cam was signed for backup money. His contract works like $3.5M to sign another $1.5M if he starts and $9M for hard to obtain honors. Like most NFL contracts the reported 14M is mostly fluff. More than likely a better vet and a relatively high pick are brought in. If you believe the talking heads they needed a body in place to start FA and Cam is still highly respected. Interesting...hmmm...
I thought more of the 14 was guaranteed...and I have also felt that Cam was signed because he should be better in his second year with the team and with somewhat of an actual team around him...8 guys opted out last year due to covid and we had a heck of a free agency season...
But maybe the Pats do make another move at QB...still do not think so though...
Nope this is what a backup who hopes to start gets. Jameis Winston's and Andy Dalton's are similar. All signed to backup money hoping to start. The Patriots may not be able to get better, but that is clearly not their plan after spending $170M plus this off season. they do not intend to start a square peg to fit their round hole. After reportedly agreeing to a one-year deal with the Patriots on Friday, Newton can earn up to $14 million next season, per multiple reports. However, the base value for Newton’s contract is just $5 million, according to NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo, with $3.5 million of that being guaranteed, The Boston Globe’s Ben Volin reported. The base value is made up of a $2 million signing bonus, a $1.5 million guaranteed base salary, and $1.5 million in total per-game roster bonuses.
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Newton has $3.5m guaranteed and $10m based on performance and play time. Here's a breakdown of Newton's incentives and bonuses:
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Post by solly on Apr 20, 2021 8:01:47 GMT -5
Stafford didnt want to be traded the NE. That really hurts because of the ricochet effect with SF as well. He didnt go to SF, making Jimmy expendable. Maybe something will happen here that will allow SF to part ways with Jimmy Stat Padford is worthless...chalks up stats when down by a ton and the 'prevent' D is on him... Ya but my post isnt about getting Stafford, SF didnt get him, which means they technically arent ready to move on from Jimmy. If they draft a rookie, as a super bowl ready team, I dont think they move on from Jimmy right away
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