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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 12:21:04 GMT -5
The only 7 footers that are worth playing are ones that can run, pass, and shoot. There arent many.
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 12:24:18 GMT -5
Kanter is probably a top 5 offensively skilled big man in the league, lol. When it comes to pure scoring ability. And you can barely play him. You get a 7 footer with power moves, and he's gonna rot on the bench. Unless he's a freak like Davis or Jokic. But guys like that dont come around very often at all.
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Post by sfbosfan on Sept 22, 2020 12:43:17 GMT -5
My understanding is that there will be a good selection available in the next draft. Although we are very much like the Golden State Warriors were before Durant, good shooters & good defense but no dominating big man, I prefer we unload Kemba & keep our picks & build via the draft keeping Williams for our main Center(when are we to use Tacko more?) getting the best big man 7 footer if possible and more important a good rebounder and defender than scorer and then get a good shooter PG & PF. I know 3pt shooting is essential these days but I still like when we are shooting under 40% 3s to be able to score in the paint with a big man needing double coverage and then others have clearer path to drive to the basket. NOW, if we beat Miami and then the Lakers with this team, of course, and Kemba is a factor in our winning, keep him! There is really only one dominating big man in the NBA, and its Embiid. Davis and Jokic dont really play the style of a true old-school center. So to me, when you say "no dominating big man" you are talking about 31 out of 32 teams (everyone except Philly). And honestly, Davis couldnt make the playoffs before he teamed up with LeBron and Davis had a decent supporting cast in NO. Really there is only one dominant, power, paint player - and thats Embiid. 7 footers are on their way out. The Heat got better when they stopped playing a 7 footer. We really dont need one. There are certainly none in the draft worth getting where we are slated to pick. I can agree that Giannis is not as much a stand around in the post like Embiid. But at 6’11” and really a PF he can play center and really athletic enough to play any position and, yup, he is like Jokic & Davis. The Bucks were beaten by Miami because he didn’t have supporting players like Miami and we do. Embiid too, a true center, didn’t have supporting players as we do.
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 14:17:58 GMT -5
There is really only one dominating big man in the NBA, and its Embiid. Davis and Jokic dont really play the style of a true old-school center. So to me, when you say "no dominating big man" you are talking about 31 out of 32 teams (everyone except Philly). And honestly, Davis couldnt make the playoffs before he teamed up with LeBron and Davis had a decent supporting cast in NO. Really there is only one dominant, power, paint player - and thats Embiid. 7 footers are on their way out. The Heat got better when they stopped playing a 7 footer. We really dont need one. There are certainly none in the draft worth getting where we are slated to pick. I can agree that Giannis is not as much a stand around in the post like Embiid. But at 6’11” and really a PF he can play center and really athletic enough to play any position and, yup, he is like Jokic & Davis. The Bucks were beaten by Miami because he didn’t have supporting players like Miami and we do. Embiid too, a true center, didn’t have supporting players as we do. There are a lot of guys who are not traditional centers that play center. Bam is just one. The only team that plays a traditional center, with success is Philly. You keep comparing the Heat, the Celtics, and GS as teams who do not play a traditional power center. My only point is that there is only 1 team in the league that plays a traditional power center with success, and thats Philly. And the success isnt inarguable. In fact, you could argue that they really havent been successful. My only point is that the celtics and the heat arent 2 alike teams. In fact, they are worlds different. We are an up-tempo team, they are a pure half-court offense. The fact that they dont play a traditional center, and neither do we....Does not make us alike. Because virtually nobody does that anymore. Its almost like saying the Heat are like the Celtics because neither team has any female players. Nobody does - so its not exactly a solid basis for team comparison. Also, Bam is a better "center" than most teams have. The fact that he's 6'9 doesnt change anything. He plays a center role. Giannis, even though he's longer, does not.
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 14:25:33 GMT -5
I'll give you Gobert too. He's more of a traditional center, than a freak like Davis and Jokic.
There are 2 teams who play an old-school style center w success. Pure power player. Utah (Gobert) and Philly (Embiid).
What limits Theis is his athleticism, not his height.
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 14:32:32 GMT -5
Give me a 6'9 guy with long arms, who can jump, pass, shoot and block at C over a 7'1 guy who cant defend quick players on switches. The 7'1 guy is just gonna be next to Kanter on the bench.
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 14:33:40 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown could play center. 7'0 wingspan. Can outjump anybody. Strong. I would take Jaylen at C over most centers in the league.
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 14:37:57 GMT -5
I just dont get wanting a traditional power-playing 7 foot guy. We already have one in Kanter, and dont even play him. Why do you think Kanter doesnt play? Because his defense? On a guy like Embiid , his defense is good. The problem is that teams switch guards and forwards on to him, and he cant defend those. But against a big physical center, Kanter actually can defend.
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Post by cole on Sept 22, 2020 14:42:32 GMT -5
Give me a 6'9 guy with long arms, who can jump, pass, shoot and block at C over a 7'1 guy who cant defend quick players on switches. The 7'1 guy is just gonna be next to Kanter on the bench. The good news is, you just described Rwill if he could get his shot a little more together. To stay on the floor, the modern NBA center has to be able to stay in front of the P/R. Everything else can be worked around. The big slow guys only work if both teams agree to play one at the same time (it does happen). Gobert was my other pick...but he dominates defensively not offensively. Honestly there hasn't been an unstoppable force at center since shaq, IMO.
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 14:47:56 GMT -5
Give me a 6'9 guy with long arms, who can jump, pass, shoot and block at C over a 7'1 guy who cant defend quick players on switches. The 7'1 guy is just gonna be next to Kanter on the bench. The good news is, you just described Rwill if he could get his shot a little more together. To stay on the floor, the modern NBA center has to be able to stay in front of the P/R. Everything else can be worked around. The big slow guys only work if both teams agree to play one at the same time (it does happen). Gobert was my other pick...but he dominates defensively not offensively. Honestly there hasn't been an unstoppable force at center since shaq, IMO. Shaq wouldnt survive in the modern NBA. He'd get the ball stolen from him every-other possession. Agreed on Rwill. If he can stay healthy, improve his shot, and learn team defense a little better (when to help, when to stick with your guy) - he's gonna be money.
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Post by kyceltic on Sept 22, 2020 14:48:13 GMT -5
If a young Shaq came to the Celtics right now, we would win at least 6 titles in a row, maybe more!
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 14:48:37 GMT -5
If a young Shaq came to the Celtics right now, we would win at least 6 titles in a row, maybe more! If a young Shaq came to the Celtics right now, he would play 10 mins a night.
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 14:50:09 GMT -5
Now a young Olajuwon, thats a different story. But Shaq would struggle in today's NBA. He'd get the ball stolen from him and would be a liability on d for the reasons Cole mentioned.
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 14:56:59 GMT -5
If we're day-dreaming, give me a 22 year old KG. Actually scratch that, give me a 28 year old KG.
His experience and leadership would be huge for our young-bucks. He runs well, fits our fast paced offense. Can shoot very well from mid-range. Can shoot well enough from 3 to keep D's honest. Has enough first step quickness to guard long SF's.
If we got a 28 year old KG, we would win the next 6 championships (assuming health).
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Post by kyceltic on Sept 22, 2020 14:59:05 GMT -5
If a young Shaq came to the Celtics right now, we would win at least 6 titles in a row, maybe more! If a young Shaq came to the Celtics right now, he would play 10 mins a night. You're funny!! Wrong, but funny!
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 15:17:24 GMT -5
If a young Shaq came to the Celtics right now, he would play 10 mins a night. You're funny!! Wrong, but funny! Agree to disagree.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Sept 22, 2020 16:10:35 GMT -5
Give me a 6'9 guy with long arms, who can jump, pass, shoot and block at C over a 7'1 guy who cant defend quick players on switches. The 7'1 guy is just gonna be next to Kanter on the bench. You are describing Theis
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Post by hedleylamarr on Sept 22, 2020 16:12:26 GMT -5
The good news is, you just described Rwill if he could get his shot a little more together. To stay on the floor, the modern NBA center has to be able to stay in front of the P/R. Everything else can be worked around. The big slow guys only work if both teams agree to play one at the same time (it does happen). Gobert was my other pick...but he dominates defensively not offensively. Honestly there hasn't been an unstoppable force at center since shaq, IMO. Shaq wouldnt survive in the modern NBA. He'd get the ball stolen from him every-other possession. Agreed on Rwill. If he can stay healthy, improve his shot, and learn team defense a little better (when to help, when to stick with your guy) - he's gonna be money. Strongly disagree. Shaq would dominate even more because no one can cover him, and everything is a foul. Believe me, if Shaq came along now, he'd still be #1 overall, not even close
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Post by cole on Sept 22, 2020 16:15:49 GMT -5
If shaq was 20 again the rest of the NBA would have to react to him again just the same. Everything comes and goes. That's my opinion.
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Post by cole on Sept 22, 2020 16:16:27 GMT -5
If we're day-dreaming, give me a 22 year old KG. Actually scratch that, give me a 28 year old KG. His experience and leadership would be huge for our young-bucks. He runs well, fits our fast paced offense. Can shoot very well from mid-range. Can shoot well enough from 3 to keep D's honest. Has enough first step quickness to guard long SF's. If we got a 28 year old KG, we would win the next 6 championships (assuming health). Oh hell yeah Kg could probably help us now for 5 or 10!
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Post by cole on Sept 22, 2020 16:19:50 GMT -5
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Post by kyceltic on Sept 22, 2020 16:30:32 GMT -5
Shaq wouldnt survive in the modern NBA. He'd get the ball stolen from him every-other possession. Agreed on Rwill. If he can stay healthy, improve his shot, and learn team defense a little better (when to help, when to stick with your guy) - he's gonna be money. Strongly disagree. Shaq would dominate even more because no one can cover him, and everything is a foul. Believe me, if Shaq came along now, he'd still be #1 overall, not even close can you imagine a line up of Tatum, Brown, Hayward and Kemba, with a young Shaq in the middle??
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 16:49:28 GMT -5
Give me a 6'9 guy with long arms, who can jump, pass, shoot and block at C over a 7'1 guy who cant defend quick players on switches. The 7'1 guy is just gonna be next to Kanter on the bench. You are describing Theis I agree that with our current trio, we are fine at center. Im not watching these games and thinking: the thing we are missing is a Center. Im more so thinking: we can really use a sniper. Too bad Herro was taken 1-2 picks before we grabbed Romeo. In hindsight, we should have used one of the pics from this year to move up two spots and grab Herro.
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 16:52:31 GMT -5
But we're 1-0 since Hayward returned, so its possible that we arent missing anything
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 22, 2020 16:55:28 GMT -5
Strongly disagree. Shaq would dominate even more because no one can cover him, and everything is a foul. Believe me, if Shaq came along now, he'd still be #1 overall, not even close can you imagine a line up of Tatum, Brown, Hayward and Kemba, with a young Shaq in the middle?? Make it KG, and you got me. Better style/chemistry fit.
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