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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 11:31:45 GMT -5
When Jaylen Brown was starting, every time he touches the ball he wants to score. There is little ball movement when Celts have Kyrie, Tatum, Brown, and Morris on the court. All four of them want to shoot. If you put Smart in there then there will be extra passes made because Smart is more of a distributor than a scorer. Also, reason why Celts keep shooting from the outside is because they can't shoot from the inside. Horford couldn't score inside against Davis. That's why I want a big man for Brown and Rozier. Having that inside presence will allow the Celts to score from the inside and outside. Celts will have more open shots from the outside if they have an inside threat. We all want a big and a inside and outside game. Rozier and Brown for who? How many picks do we give up also. Rozier and Brown are up for a decent raise what team can expect to resign both? Answer these questions I might be all in if you can. Irving can always walk if he's not having another surgery and not on crutches. Your ok with Irving thinking he wants to stay? Plus a max contract for 4 or 5 years? I'm not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 11:43:18 GMT -5
OH Pud You and Fierce had the same math teacher I see.
70 wins is as likely as me getting a date with Miss Virginia actually less likely.
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Post by puddin on Nov 27, 2018 11:47:09 GMT -5
OH Pud You and Fierce had the same math teacher I see. 70 wins is as likely as me getting a date with Miss Virginia actually less likely.
Well PeeWee.... you might be able to get a date with the Pudster instead.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 12:03:33 GMT -5
Great was hoping you would post that photo.
I'll show it to Miss Va when I go over to borrow a cup of sugar.
Get a slap in the face or an. '' Oh My'' Pee Wee . 50/50 ill take it.
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Post by petey62 on Nov 27, 2018 12:16:51 GMT -5
pete The difference was Smart was the primary ball-handler. When Smart passes it to Kyrie, Kyrie makes a move then passes it to a teammate if he's doubled or he can't get his shot off. That allows Kyrie to get the assist because the guy he's passing to is most probably open. When Kyrie is the primary ball-handler, Kyrie's first pass usually don't end up an assist because the guy he's passing to is most likely covered. Ball distribution is not only measured by the number of assists you get. When multiple passes are made before a shot attempt, that's ball distribution even if it doesn't end up an assist for the PG. Fierce, everything looked great yesterday BECAUSE WE HIT OUT SHOTS! It wasn't because Smart was the primary ball handler. To say that Kyrie got a lot of "hockey assists" minimizes his impact on the offense. Nobody can argue that he's NOT a score-first PG but to use last night as an example that he cannot facilitate effectively (or as well as Smart) is just plain not true. I believe what truly makes him an effective facilitator is his ability to score and draw double teams when he has the ball. You and I would be great facilitators if GUYS HIT SHOTS when we passed it to them. When we miss a lot of shots like the Knicks home loss or the Hornets road loss, guys aren't facilitating less, it's that the shots are just not falling. This is basketball. This aint rocket science. It's a game and it's not difficult to ascertain what winning teams do consistently well and what losings teams don't.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 27, 2018 12:20:24 GMT -5
When Jaylen Brown was starting, every time he touches the ball he wants to score. There is little ball movement when Celts have Kyrie, Tatum, Brown, and Morris on the court. All four of them want to shoot. If you put Smart in there then there will be extra passes made because Smart is more of a distributor than a scorer. Also, reason why Celts keep shooting from the outside is because they can't shoot from the inside. Horford couldn't score inside against Davis. That's why I want a big man for Brown and Rozier. Having that inside presence will allow the Celts to score from the inside and outside. Celts will have more open shots from the outside if they have an inside threat. If a big man is the issue, I rather trade Horford himself than Brown. Yes he is not having his best basketball, I agree but he is more versatile. Ditto with Rozier. I still would stay put. Its a long season, injuries happen. Horford is no longer the same and I doubt he will ever be the same which was average at the most...
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 27, 2018 12:22:31 GMT -5
pete The difference was Smart was the primary ball-handler. When Smart passes it to Kyrie, Kyrie makes a move then passes it to a teammate if he's doubled or he can't get his shot off. That allows Kyrie to get the assist because the guy he's passing to is most probably open. When Kyrie is the primary ball-handler, Kyrie's first pass usually don't end up an assist because the guy he's passing to is most likely covered. Ball distribution is not only measured by the number of assists you get. When multiple passes are made before a shot attempt, that's ball distribution even if it doesn't end up an assist for the PG. Fierce, everything looked great yesterday BECAUSE WE HIT OUT SHOTS! It wasn't because Smart was the primary ball handler. To say that Kyrie got a lot of "hockey assists" minimizes his impact on the offense. Nobody can argue that he's NOT a score-first PG but to use last night as an example that he cannot facilitate effectively (or as well as Smart) is just plain not true. I believe what truly makes him an effective facilitator is his ability to score and draw double teams when he has the ball. You and I would be great facilitators if GUYS HIT SHOTS when we passed it to them. When we miss a lot of shots like the Knicks home loss or the Hornets road loss, guys aren't facilitating less, it's that the shots are just not falling. This is basketball. This aint rocket science. It's a game and it's not difficult to ascertain what winning teams do consistently well and what losings teams don't. I disagree. Kyrie is not a PG lets get honest. Plus all Kyrie was doing as a PG was limiting the team to one shot. Enter Smart. Smart brings the ball down and now you have a few options in place including Kyrie. I am all up for this. Be it Hayward, Rozier or Smart to bring the ball down. It just works. Passes flow and thats that.
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Post by petey62 on Nov 27, 2018 12:40:51 GMT -5
When guys are not hitting their shots, having Marcus Smart on the court for long stretches is counterproductive. He's an offensive liability when shots are not falling because he's not a threat to do anything that concerns the defense.
The ball flows and gets worked all the time. That's our offense. It just seems to look much better when we're hitting 48.7% of our 3-pointers like last night.
The next game when the Celtics shoot 26% from 3-point range, let's re-visit Smart's ability to facilitate the offense.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 27, 2018 13:03:18 GMT -5
When guys are not hitting their shots, having Marcus Smart on the court for long stretches is counterproductive. He's an offensive liability when shots are not falling because he's not a threat to do anything that concerns the defense. The ball flows and gets worked all the time. That's our offense. It just seems to look much better when we're hitting 48.7% of our 3-pointers like last night. The next game when the Celtics shoot 26% from 3-point range, let's re-visit Smart's ability to facilitate the offense. whether this has solved our issues or not is yet to be seen but I do like the idea of moving Irving away from being the primary ball handler. We won and we played better than any other game minus the Detroit one. So. Whats not to like if it does in fact works?
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Post by hedleylamarr on Nov 27, 2018 13:40:30 GMT -5
IT was traded for two reasons: #1 The Brinks truck comment did not sit well at all with Danny. Danny knows he'll never be a max contract guy, but it probably would have been justified in BOS because we didn't yet have KI or Hayward. #2 We had a chance to trade him for Kyrie Irving, a total stud, former #1 overall pick, and one of the best players in the league. IT was who CLE wanted.............and, once again, Ainge robbed them!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 13:59:19 GMT -5
James and the Cavs moved Irving away from the ball and James always lead the team IN assists.
Got them a title.
I'm spilt on this because Smart is no James and agree with Petey. Smart probably will throw up bricks again real soon and we won't hit 48% of our threes very often.
This begs the question. Is Irving worth twice what Rozier is especially with a questionable knee? No
We played Rozier off the ball in the playoffs last year and had success. Hayward and his passing ability makes this more likely than last year once he gets settled in .
The Cavs were in a real pinch last year and were going to be robbed by any team . Ainge had the quickest gun no doubt. When Ainge can rob a title he gets some real credit. Now it looks like a mismatched team with a clueless coach.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 14:01:25 GMT -5
Can you wipe that smile off Hedley?
Now I have to watch Blazing Saddles for the 10th time.
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Post by petey62 on Nov 27, 2018 14:58:09 GMT -5
I believe the flexibility of this team is endless and that is what is going to make this a special team. To be able to have the ball in Kyrie's hands or start the possession with Al or let Hayward bring the ball up is something not many teams in the NBA are capable of. The Celtics have a number of options and they're all great options.
Whether Kyrie has the ball or Rozier starts the offense or Hayward, this is what is going to cause headaches for other teams WHEN WE'RE HITTING OUR SHOTS.
With the players on this roster, WHEN WE HIT OUR SHOTS, we are unbeatable. If we could become more consistent with our 3-point shooting, nobody could play with us.
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Post by cole on Nov 27, 2018 15:02:53 GMT -5
Can you wipe that smile off Hedley? Now I have to watch Blazing Saddles for the 10th time. Some channel is rerunning carol burnette too.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 27, 2018 15:22:41 GMT -5
this team feeds off their defense and if the ball does not move, shots dont go in. We have not been doing a good effort on those two as long as I remember. Yesterday the defensive intensity was there and so was the ball movement. No ball movement, shots wont fall.
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Post by puddin on Nov 27, 2018 15:23:45 GMT -5
Can you wipe that smile off Hedley? Now I have to watch Blazing Saddles for the 10th time. Some channel is rerunning carol burnette too. I'm watching Naked and Afraid on the Discovery Channel.
If you take off your glasses, you don't realize that the private parts have been fuzzed over.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 16:38:37 GMT -5
Ummmm. Runner up to Carol but neck and neck.
Watched all he Naked and Afraid my new favorite show. The one in Nicaragua was less than 50 miles from me and inspired me to go.
I take more than my glasses off.
Ok we have established we win when we shoot good you might say real good. So we just wait till the jump shots fall? What about different shots? More high % ones. Like from the paint and FT line. We are almost dead last in mid and long range jump shots.. 2ND to last in FTs attempted. I can provide a link for these numbers if anyone disputes them.
Name the one team that took these stats and made it to the finals?
Not taking a shot at ya Pete and if ya want to schedule dinner at Ruth's or anywhere i'll be in town till Trump gets arrested or mid January. Hope the former.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Nov 27, 2018 18:14:57 GMT -5
Can you wipe that smile off Hedley? Now I have to watch Blazing Saddles for the 10th time. 10th? I've seen it at least 25 times already!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Nov 27, 2018 18:16:11 GMT -5
Ummmm. Runner up to Carol but neck and neck. Watched all he Naked and Afraid my new favorite show. The one in Nicaragua was less than 50 miles from me and inspired me to go. I take more than my glasses off. Ok we have established we win when we shoot good you might say real good. So we just wait till the jump shots fall? What about different shots? More high % ones. Like from the paint and FT line. We are almost dead last in mid and long range jump shots.. 2ND to last in FTs attempted. I can provide a link for these numbers if anyone disputes them. Name the one team that took these stats and made it to the finals? Not taking a shot at ya Pete and if ya want to schedule dinner at Ruth's or anywhere i'll be in town till Trump gets arrested or mid January. Hope the former. I like Naked Gun, and its' two sequels!! And, YES on Trump getting impeached.....(I doubt arrested)
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Post by Admin on Nov 27, 2018 22:25:53 GMT -5
Kyrie Irving lauds the Celtics defense with Marcus Smart starting By: Quenton S. Albertie
Boston Celtics shooting guard Jaylen Brown may have only missed his second game of the season but with Boston taking it to the New Orleans Pelicans right from the start, playing with the pace and energy Celtics head coach Brad Stevens has wanted them to play with all season, it seems as if Boston has found a five-man combination that works in the starting lineup and one that the team may be able to rely on in the future:
Kyrie Irving, Marcus Smart, Jayson Tatum, Marcus Morris and Al Horford.
Following Monday’s victory over the Pelicans, Irving told reporters that “the unit that we had out there today, we really had that mindset that we wanted to start off the game and have a defensive presence” before adding that Smart “took some of the pressure off” of him with his play on-ball.
Per Boston Sports Journal‘s Brian Robb, the two-man lineup of Irving and Brown only has a net rating of +0.4 while the two-man lineup of Irving and Smart has a net rating of +5.5.
Irving would also note how Smart’s experience with the Celtics and, most importantly, his experience playing “high-level basketball” aids Boston’s efficacy on both ends of the court. “We expect him to be in the right spots and doing the right things,” Irving said.
As Stevens has said, “the game rewards toughness” and by inserting Smart and Morris in for Brown and Gordon Hayward respectively, Stevens hasn’t just replaced two players who were struggling as starters but is looking for “the game” to start honoring toughness. Players that are willing to do the gritty work that doesn’t show up in the box score like Smart and Morris, able to play upper echelon defense and play with an indisputable competitive fire every second they’re on the floor.
Players like Smart who are able to throw a wrench in an offense’s game plan because of his defensive prowess.
With Stevens having yet to settle on a starting lineup and not expecting to settle on his starting five for the foreseeable future, Smart does indeed have a reasonable chance to remain listed with the starters. As does Morris, who has started three consecutive games this season. At 11-10, Boston has underachieved. However, with the starting lineup they used against the New Orleans, they may just have turned a corner.
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 27, 2018 22:54:59 GMT -5
wow, the board is going off...all aboard!...hedley, petey, chrisjey, pud, dee, fierce, drewski6, cole, billge, doc, Prakash, sf...hard to keep up with...just missin E8...
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Post by Employee8 on Nov 28, 2018 0:26:36 GMT -5
wow, the board is going off...all aboard!...hedley, petey, chrisjey, pud, dee, fierce, drewski6, cole, billge, doc, Prakash, sf...hard to keep up with...just missin E8...
Yo, I'm always here ... all ya gotta do is just whistle!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 1:52:47 GMT -5
Sorry guys! Dealing with parental medical issue. This is a tough one. Absence will be prolonged here. Stealing time to catch parts of recordings.
Go Celts as usual.
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Post by Admin on Nov 28, 2018 2:52:56 GMT -5
Good luck ... My mom is 92 so I know what you are facing. Besides medical, at some point you can't let them handle their own finances. I jumped in just in time and averted a disaster though it took some time to get that house in order.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 9:55:09 GMT -5
As Stevens has said, “the game rewards toughness” and by inserting Smart and Morris in for Brown and Gordon Hayward respectively, Stevens hasn’t just replaced two players who were struggling as starters but is looking for “the game” to start honoring toughness. Players that are willing to do the gritty work that doesn’t show up in the box score like Smart and Morris, able to play upper echelon defense and play with an indisputable competitive fire every second they’re on the floor.
Brown's D has never been in question for the most part. When is Irving going to get tough? Smart will have good back to back games and stop heaving bricks? Not likely.
Burke and Barya destroyed Smart and so will most of the quicker PGs in the league. Smart does fine when he plays against the combo guards or the big guards. This small sample size doesn't impress me.
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