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Post by Admin on May 6, 2016 14:02:56 GMT -5
Got my attention as he's just what we need ... cut the riff-raff (Sully, Young, etc) and spend on Whiteside. Then trade for a wing (Butler?) and with IT we'd have a formidable PG, SG and C ... That could help attract Durant. To have all 3 of those moves happen would be AMAZING. Realistically though we will be "LUCKY" to have any one of them come true. I believe that the most realistic of the 3 is to show up at Whiteside's door at 12:01 with BS,DA AND IT and a big fat max offer. I don't believe that the bulls are going to trade Butler. They"ll shop him but in the end they"ll keep him imo. The C's would have to offer Crowder, #3,#16, the 2 future Net pks to get their attention. Would you do that deal ? Give me Whiteside & #3 & #16 to this young team and just keep improving and adding and upgrading the talent over the next couple of years. You are offering way too much. And if we parted with Crowder DA would need another SF in the fold first. Now if it's #3, #23 or #31 and a future 1st rounder along with Sully or Amir (which makes more sense as they can cut cap space to pursue another FA) and Young or Rozier then yes, I'd make that trade. I think Whiteside makes the most sense as a starter move for this team ... esp with Butler up in the air. I'm not too sure that the Cousins talk ever amounts to anything and Whiteside would be a better rim protector. If we want low-post offense then trade Sully or Oly for Monroe. Once Whiteside is in the fold we need a shooter from the SG or SF position. Draft one at 16 or trade for one. If there's a vet available for MLE $ great but must save some cap room just in case Durant likes the build out. |
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Post by mellymel6 on May 6, 2016 14:44:03 GMT -5
This team , if it can't trade for a true all-star talent good enough to draw another top FA like Cousins or Durant, still needs to vastly increase it's overall talent, especially it's shooting and frontcourt rebounding and defense. They have plenty of draft choices this season to get something done. Time for DA to do it. Agreed. If they make 3 first round selections, I will be disappointed. If one is Ingram/Simmons - I won't be as disappointed I ABSOLUTELY CONCUR SIR ! DA looks ready to do some serious wheeling and dealing now...his coach is primed and ready to coach his way to the finals if he gets the goods to work with. |
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Post by paybacktime1 on May 6, 2016 15:03:56 GMT -5
You are offering way too much. And if we parted with Crowder DA would need another SF in the fold first. Now if it's #3, #23 or #31 and a future 1st rounder along with Sully or Amir (which makes more sense as they can cut cap space to pursue another FA) and Young or Rozier then yes, I'd make that trade. I think Whiteside makes the most sense as a starter move for this team ... esp with Butler up in the air. I'm not too sure that the Cousins talk ever amounts to anything and Whiteside would be a better rim protector. If we want low-post offense then trade Sully or Oly for Monroe. Once Whiteside is in the fold we need a shooter from the SG or SF position. Draft one at 16 or trade for one. If there's a vet available for MLE $ great but must save some cap room just in case Durant likes the build out. oh. That's not what I am offering at all. That is what Chi will want to do the deal. There is absolutely ZERO chance the Chi so much as lasts 8 seconds on the phone if Da's offer is #3 #23 future #1 Amir/Sully Rozier/Young At a minimum it will start with #3 #16 Crowder Pick of future 1st ( prob top 3 protected ) And filler to make the deal's #'s work That will be closer to MAYBE getting them to listen. Even then I don't think they do the deal. We will see in a few months how it all shakes out |
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Post by Employee8 on May 6, 2016 15:48:58 GMT -5
You are offering way too much. And if we parted with Crowder DA would need another SF in the fold first. Now if it's #3, #23 or #31 and a future 1st rounder along with Sully or Amir (which makes more sense as they can cut cap space to pursue another FA) and Young or Rozier then yes, I'd make that trade. I think Whiteside makes the most sense as a starter move for this team ... esp with Butler up in the air. I'm not too sure that the Cousins talk ever amounts to anything and Whiteside would be a better rim protector. If we want low-post offense then trade Sully or Oly for Monroe. Once Whiteside is in the fold we need a shooter from the SG or SF position. Draft one at 16 or trade for one. If there's a vet available for MLE $ great but must save some cap room just in case Durant likes the build out. oh. That's not what I am offering at all. That is what Chi will want to do the deal. There is absolutely ZERO chance the Chi so much as lasts 8 seconds on the phone if Da's offer is #3 #23 future #1 Amir/Sully Rozier/Young At a minimum it will start with #3 #16 Crowder Pick of future 1st ( prob top 3 protected ) And filler to make the deal's #'s work That will be closer to MAYBE getting them to listen. Even then I don't think they do the deal. We will see in a few months how it all shakes out Three firsts and Crowder? DA won't do that and neither would I. If that's the case you 1) keep Simmons or Ingram if top two or maybe opt for Murray or Hield over Bender if #3-6, 2) sign Batum, Beal, Barnes or Fournier and 3) sign Whiteside and then talk to Durant and if he's in start dumping add'l salary for whatever picks you can get from teams under the cap for additional cap room. We can hold off our own RFA's/FA's until Durant is in then sign our own going over the cap. Even if we don't get Durant our nucleus won't be something we glued together to attract KD, but a useful and championship driver core. thesportsmecca.wordpress.com/2016/04/01/most-likely-free-agents-to-be-overpaid-during-2016-free-agency/Don't forget ... Biyombo was my call for a FA last year and DA did the Amir signing. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 9, 2016 15:58:35 GMT -5
Biyombo was your call. I remember. Gasol was mine - 3 years ago...lol
I would love Gasol and Batum - keep the pick, then keep Johnson and Jerebko.
Also wouldn't mind Teague (via trade) or Conley (UFA) and I still think AB is our best trade asset.
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Post by Admin on May 9, 2016 16:03:25 GMT -5
You're probably right about AB but Fierce may also be right about DA's man-love for AB.
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Post by thejuice on May 9, 2016 21:58:45 GMT -5
You're probably right about AB but Fierce may also be right about DA's man-love for AB. Totally fine with trading AB in the right deal, but if we move him, then we need at least 2 shooters added to this team, minimum |
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Post by Admin on May 10, 2016 1:08:17 GMT -5
Agreed ... is a vet and a draftee acceptable?
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Post by drewski6 on May 10, 2016 8:21:26 GMT -5
As a general rule, I avoid tournament darlings. i dont want a guy who who moved up 10-15 draft spots based on 2-3 good games. That's just too small of a sample for a player to move up that much, IMO. I'd probably pass on Sabonis for this reason. But take that with a grain of salt, I dont watch that much NCAA outside of my Friars. I do watch most Friars games. Which brings me to my next point: pass on Dunn. He's just not elite at really anything. What's the story with Bentil ... is he too much like Mickey? He's undersized like Mickey. Doesnt have Mickey's shot-blocking ability. But Bentil attacks the rim, and attacks the rim well. Has college 3 pt range, which may or may not translate to NBA 3 pt range. Probably someone who can take 2-3 3-ptrs / game, but shouldnt rely on it. He gets shot happy. |
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Post by drewski6 on May 10, 2016 8:25:57 GMT -5
Agreed ... is a vet and a draftee acceptable? Depends who they are. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 10, 2016 9:28:13 GMT -5
No disrespect intended, but why are we even talking about Bentil?
He is a second round pick at best, and the only reason he would be in the conversation is if we got rid of some of our picks. If we don't have a trade in place, by the time we get to Bentil, hopefully, we are talking draft and stash.
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Post by Admin on May 10, 2016 9:30:41 GMT -5
Biyombo was your call. I remember. Gasol was mine - 3 years ago...lol I would love Gasol and Batum - keep the pick, then keep Johnson and Jerebko. Also wouldn't mind Teague (via trade) or Conley (UFA) and I still think AB is our best trade asset. Teague may be doable as it's not likely the Hawks have cap space for Horford & Bazemore. They favored Schroeder over Teague in the last game and will likely opt to stick with him and move Teague who has another year at $8MM. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 10, 2016 9:32:46 GMT -5
I think #16 and a player for Teague would work. NOT IT, but probably any other guard/forward.
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Post by paybacktime1 on May 10, 2016 9:54:10 GMT -5
I think #16 and a player for Teague would work. NOT IT, but probably any other guard/forward. you'd give up #16 and Smart for Teague ? NFW.... |
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 10, 2016 10:02:11 GMT -5
I think #16 and a player for Teague would work. NOT IT, but probably any other guard/forward. you'd give up #16 and Smart for Teague ? NFW.... It would take a lot for me to part with Smart............like Okafor, but someone would have to go to allow them to play Teague at PG. I've been on record as saying AB can be traded, and the numbers match up perfectly. But, suppose ATL doesn't want Bradley............it would be tough, but I do think I'd have to give up Marcus...........if they also took James Young.....lol |
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Post by mellymel6 on May 10, 2016 11:19:42 GMT -5
Why don't they just cut Young...just cut him...he stinks...he's awful...or just let him stay in the D League...Marcus is tough but frankly he's been good for an occassional STUPID foul or two every single game, I mean, a headcase boner type of foul every game, the kind he should have stopped making last season, the kind that will get us killed with the refs forever....he's becoming Metta World Peace without his offensive game, and that just can't be allowed, and I've always been a Smart champion...so I'm now ready to move on from Smart if it makes sense...If you move Smart, you've got to grab someone who replaces his gritty toughness and defense, that's an absolute requirement because aside from Crowder, nobody on the C's has a PAIR!
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 10, 2016 11:30:58 GMT -5
Why don't they just cut Young...just cut him...he stinks...he's awful...or just let him stay in the D League...Marcus is tough but frankly he's been good for an occassional STUPID foul or two every single game, I mean, a headcase boner type of foul every game, the kind he should have stopped making last season, the kind that will get us killed with the refs forever....he's becoming Metta World Peace without his offensive game, and that just can't be allowed, and I've always been a Smart champion...so I'm now ready to move on from Smart if it makes sense...If you move Smart, you've got to grab someone who replaces his gritty toughness and defense, that's an absolute requirement because aside from Crowder, nobody on the C's has a PAIR! I think they may part ways with young Mr. Young this off-season.............. |
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Post by paybacktime1 on May 10, 2016 12:08:21 GMT -5
you'd give up #16 and Smart for Teague ? NFW.... It would take a lot for me to part with Smart............like Okafor, but someone would have to go to allow them to play Teague at PG. I've been on record as saying AB can be traded, and the numbers match up perfectly. But, suppose ATL doesn't want Bradley............it would be tough, but I do think I'd have to give up Marcus...........if they also took James Young.....lol aint NO WAY they would trade Smart straight uo for Teague. Never mind pick #16 too. Smart only goes in a package for an all star player. He is the only player on the team who could some day be an allstar himself. |
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Post by drewski6 on May 10, 2016 12:28:53 GMT -5
Why don't they just cut Young...just cut him...he stinks...he's awful...or just let him stay in the D League...Marcus is tough but frankly he's been good for an occassional STUPID foul or two every single game, I mean, a headcase boner type of foul every game, the kind he should have stopped making last season, the kind that will get us killed with the refs forever....he's becoming Metta World Peace without his offensive game, and that just can't be allowed, and I've always been a Smart champion...so I'm now ready to move on from Smart if it makes sense...If you move Smart, you've got to grab someone who replaces his gritty toughness and defense, that's an absolute requirement because aside from Crowder, nobody on the C's has a PAIR! Agree on Marcus. I've also been a Marcus champion in the past. But he's just so erratic. Aside from the stupid fouls that you mention (which I agree with), there is also the stupid decisions. Like when the other team is on a 7-2 run and he decides to chuck up a contested three. Have to slow the game down and get a high percentage shot in that situation. He could still improve, but I agree with your points. I dont think youd need to replace his D. You still have Bradley and Crowder who are both rock solid defenders. We could use some under the basket D, but that's a different conversation. I'm not sure if I would or would not trade #16 and Smart for Teague. I dont think its terrible value. I just wonder if we need a true PG like Teague. |
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Post by mellymel6 on May 10, 2016 13:14:41 GMT -5
Why don't they just cut Young...just cut him...he stinks...he's awful...or just let him stay in the D League...Marcus is tough but frankly he's been good for an occassional STUPID foul or two every single game, I mean, a headcase boner type of foul every game, the kind he should have stopped making last season, the kind that will get us killed with the refs forever....he's becoming Metta World Peace without his offensive game, and that just can't be allowed, and I've always been a Smart champion...so I'm now ready to move on from Smart if it makes sense...If you move Smart, you've got to grab someone who replaces his gritty toughness and defense, that's an absolute requirement because aside from Crowder, nobody on the C's has a PAIR! Agree on Marcus. I've also been a Marcus champion in the past. But he's just so erratic. Aside from the stupid fouls that you mention (which I agree with), there is also the stupid decisions. Like when the other team is on a 7-2 run and he decides to chuck up a contested three. Have to slow the game down and get a high percentage shot in that situation. He could still improve, but I agree with your points. I dont think youd need to replace his D. You still have Bradley and Crowder who are both rock solid defenders. We could use some under the basket D, but that's a different conversation. I'm not sure if I would or would not trade #16 and Smart for Teague. I dont think its terrible value. I just wonder if we need a true PG like Teague. I'm beginning to agree as well..I don't think it would be terrible value for Teague as a true pg. |
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Post by Admin on May 10, 2016 14:04:29 GMT -5
Let's check our assets;
Rozier < Looks promising after getting thrown into the fire (playoffs) unexpectedly ... a quick PG with decent defensive ability, needs to up his offense/assts
Smart < Tough competitor but will never be a PG ... If you like his toughness/D then pray his inside scoring and shooting improves so AB can be replaced at SG
Hunter < Too raw to opine on yet but he could be a SG tandem with Smart unless Butler becomes a doable trade then he can go with Smart as backup
Young < I've been done with him too long already
IT < a scoring machine asked to do more than expected, leave him as 6th man or even team two PG and he'll be a monster
Bradley < The obvious trade bait especially with Butler in the mix and Smart coming along ... DA must decide if it's Smart or AB to stay around
Turner < If Rozier is given the reins & IT mans the 2nd unit we will need a vet PG. That means a trade for a Teague or keeping Turner the Swiss Army Knife
The way I see it ... keep Rozier, Smart, IT & Turner (or let Turner go and get Teague or another vet PG) and get Butler or another scoring wing.
PS: Jeremy Lin can opt out of his $2.2MM final yr and will get at least MLE $ ... he'd be a cheaper option than Teague but not your starter, more of a backup in case Rozier had trouble growing into the position fast enough.
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 10, 2016 16:31:06 GMT -5
Let's check our assets; Rozier < Looks promising after getting thrown into the fire (playoffs) unexpectedly ... a quick PG with decent defensive ability, needs to up his offense/assts Smart < Tough competitor but will never be a PG ... If you like his toughness/D then pray his inside scoring and shooting improves so AB can be replaced at SG Hunter < Too raw to opine on yet but he could be a SG tandem with Smart unless Butler becomes a doable trade then he can go with Smart as backup Young < I've been done with him too long already IT < a scoring machine asked to do more than expected, leave him as 6th man or even team two PG and he'll be a monster Bradley < The obvious trade bait especially with Butler in the mix and Smart coming along ... DA must decide if it's Smart or AB to stay around Turner < If Rozier is given the reins & IT mans the 2nd unit we will need a vet PG. That means a trade for a Teague or keeping Turner the Swiss Army Knife The way I see it ... keep Rozier, Smart, IT & Turner (or let Turner go and get Teague or another vet PG) and get Butler or another scoring wing. PS: Jeremy Lin can opt out of his $2.2MM final yr and will get at least MLE $ ... he'd be a cheaper option than Teague but not your starter, more of a backup in case Rozier had trouble growing into the position fast enough. Nice analysis, but I'm not sold yet on Rozier............too raw. Lin sounds interesting as well, |
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Post by paybacktime1 on May 10, 2016 19:03:15 GMT -5
Why don't they just cut Young...just cut him...he stinks...he's awful...or just let him stay in the D League...Marcus is tough but frankly he's been good for an occassional STUPID foul or two every single game, I mean, a headcase boner type of foul every game, the kind he should have stopped making last season, the kind that will get us killed with the refs forever....he's becoming Metta World Peace without his offensive game, and that just can't be allowed, and I've always been a Smart champion...so I'm now ready to move on from Smart if it makes sense...If you move Smart, you've got to grab someone who replaces his gritty toughness and defense, that's an absolute requirement because aside from Crowder, nobody on the C's has a PAIR! Young will come in as camp fodder and if he doesn't BBBBBBLOW them away with progress and his body will be cut. Aint no room for him after this draft. Great thing about having picks like the c's do. Evaluation time is at a minimal. Weeds out the riff faff really quick. Patriots and BB, the godfather himself, figured that out early. Looks like DA HAS TOO |
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Post by mellymel6 on May 11, 2016 8:46:43 GMT -5
Why don't they just cut Young...just cut him...he stinks...he's awful...or just let him stay in the D League...Marcus is tough but frankly he's been good for an occassional STUPID foul or two every single game, I mean, a headcase boner type of foul every game, the kind he should have stopped making last season, the kind that will get us killed with the refs forever....he's becoming Metta World Peace without his offensive game, and that just can't be allowed, and I've always been a Smart champion...so I'm now ready to move on from Smart if it makes sense...If you move Smart, you've got to grab someone who replaces his gritty toughness and defense, that's an absolute requirement because aside from Crowder, nobody on the C's has a PAIR! Young will come in as camp fodder and if he doesn't BBBBBBLOW them away with progress and his body will be cut. Aint no room for him after this draft. Great thing about having picks like the c's do. Evaluation time is at a minimal. Weeds out the riff faff really quick. Patriots and BB, the godfather himself, figured that out early. Looks like DA HAS TOO I honestly hope so..I truly do! |
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 11, 2016 9:39:46 GMT -5
Perhaps Sully can give some of his "body" to Young.............Young better be working every day because his days are numbered. Sully? Contract year, and he didn't deliver. Yes, he was our best rebounder, but he will not be worth the money his agent will want. Give him the QO, see what other teams offer, try a S & T, or just let him go.
Wouldn't it be funny if he got no offers??
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