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Post by kyceltic on Feb 14, 2024 12:26:10 GMT -5
One way to phrase it. I think I would phrase it as such: Dwhite plays the game like a workman like professionalism I have no idea today why i said all that last nite. White reminds me of a old Hippy would have been enough.. You were waxing nostalgic!
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Post by petey62 on Feb 14, 2024 14:33:22 GMT -5
We need to get consistent production from our bench. That's a huge reason why we can't hold onto a lead.
It would be nice to be able to depend on 2nd unit players to keep big leads and close out games.
Kornet is a serviceable in-season big, but he'll get very little burn in the playoffs. It's a pretty scary thought going into the playoffs with just Porzingis and Horford, neither of which are true bangers.
Neither Hauser nor PP will get much playoff burn due to their defensive limitations.
It's going to be a tough haul relying solely on 6 players to get through four 7-game series for a chip!
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Post by rkarp1 on Feb 14, 2024 14:41:58 GMT -5
We are good!!! But, as I've stated since the beginning, our bench is inconsistent. Kornet was our best bench player last night. Give the new guys some burn after the break. I'm not saying PP should lose any playing time.......but maybe Hauser...... when you are picking nits over a teams 8th, 9th and 10th players, you are going to have inconsistencies. they do not match up well against every team, every player night after night, so their performance will be uneven. Tillman could be a more consistent off the bench contributor, joining Brissett, Kornet, PP and Hauser for a really good bench, that plays with 1 or 2 starters at all times. we would all like it to be perfect, but it never is. health is still the most important nit to pick, and Mazz is doing a good job resting the top players. in spite of all the belly aching here, the team is still winning I am suggesting 62-20. home court thru out the playoffs. if they are healthy, they will be the favorites to win the title. does not mean they will, but should be very well positioned to do so
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 14, 2024 15:10:57 GMT -5
We are good!!! But, as I've stated since the beginning, our bench is inconsistent. Kornet was our best bench player last night. Give the new guys some burn after the break. I'm not saying PP should lose any playing time.......but maybe Hauser...... when you are picking nits over a teams 8th, 9th and 10th players, you are going to have inconsistencies. they do not match up well against every team, every player night after night, so their performance will be uneven. Tillman could be a more consistent off the bench contributor, joining Brissett, Kornet, PP and Hauser for a really good bench, that plays with 1 or 2 starters at all times. we would all like it to be perfect, but it never is. health is still the most important nit to pick, and Mazz is doing a good job resting the top players. in spite of all the belly aching here, the team is still winning I am suggesting 62-20. home court thru out the playoffs. if they are healthy, they will be the favorites to win the title. does not mean they will, but should be very well positioned to do so The only way they may not win 60, is we have so big of a lead over the other teams, that Mazz rests all our starters multiple games! And that's not a bad problem to have!
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Post by petey62 on Feb 14, 2024 15:25:41 GMT -5
We are good!!! But, as I've stated since the beginning, our bench is inconsistent. Kornet was our best bench player last night. Give the new guys some burn after the break. I'm not saying PP should lose any playing time.......but maybe Hauser...... when you are picking nits over a teams 8th, 9th and 10th players, you are going to have inconsistencies. they do not match up well against every team, every player night after night, so their performance will be uneven. Tillman could be a more consistent off the bench contributor, joining Brissett, Kornet, PP and Hauser for a really good bench, that plays with 1 or 2 starters at all times. we would all like it to be perfect, but it never is. health is still the most important nit to pick, and Mazz is doing a good job resting the top players. in spite of all the belly aching here, the team is still winning I am suggesting 62-20. home court thru out the playoffs. if they are healthy, they will be the favorites to win the title. does not mean they will, but should be very well positioned to do so But we're not talking about the Celtics 8th, 9th and 10th players. Right now, we have SIX playoff-tested players. SIX. I don't add Kornet, Hauser or PP to that number. I find it hard to believe that Tillman and Springer will, when healed from injuries, have that much of an impact on the rotation, enough to be in that playoff rotation. We cannot go into the playoffs with ONLY six playoff-tested players. Second thing, the Celtics have proven that having home court in the playoffs MEANS NOTHING! We regularly lose at home in the playoffs. I don't know why this team loses so much at home in the playoffs. I would put no trust in this team having home court. That is my issue with this team. I want them to have a mindset. They've had that mindset at home for the first 20 home games but it's not there anymore. When you barely beat WAS by 4 at home, that mindset is missing. Hopefully, we'll get it back tonight.
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 14, 2024 15:49:37 GMT -5
when you are picking nits over a teams 8th, 9th and 10th players, you are going to have inconsistencies. they do not match up well against every team, every player night after night, so their performance will be uneven. Tillman could be a more consistent off the bench contributor, joining Brissett, Kornet, PP and Hauser for a really good bench, that plays with 1 or 2 starters at all times. we would all like it to be perfect, but it never is. health is still the most important nit to pick, and Mazz is doing a good job resting the top players. in spite of all the belly aching here, the team is still winning I am suggesting 62-20. home court thru out the playoffs. if they are healthy, they will be the favorites to win the title. does not mean they will, but should be very well positioned to do so But we're not talking about the Celtics 8th, 9th and 10th players. Right now, we have SIX playoff-tested players. SIX. I don't add Kornet, Hauser or PP to that number. I find it hard to believe that Tillman and Springer will, when healed from injuries, have that much of an impact on the rotation, enough to be in that playoff rotation. We cannot go into the playoffs with ONLY six playoff-tested players. Second thing, the Celtics have proven that having home court in the playoffs MEANS NOTHING! We regularly lose at home in the playoffs. I don't know why this team loses so much at home in the playoffs. I would put no trust in this team having home court. That is my issue with this team. I want them to have a mindset. They've had that mindset at home for the first 20 home games but it's not there anymore. When you barely beat WAS by 4 at home, that mindset is missing. Hopefully, we'll get it back tonight. Tillman has playoff experience, he started for the Grizzlies in last years playoffs! I think you may underrate Pritchard and maybe Houser!
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 14, 2024 15:55:14 GMT -5
But we're not talking about the Celtics 8th, 9th and 10th players. Right now, we have SIX playoff-tested players. SIX. I don't add Kornet, Hauser or PP to that number. I find it hard to believe that Tillman and Springer will, when healed from injuries, have that much of an impact on the rotation, enough to be in that playoff rotation. We cannot go into the playoffs with ONLY six playoff-tested players. Second thing, the Celtics have proven that having home court in the playoffs MEANS NOTHING! We regularly lose at home in the playoffs. I don't know why this team loses so much at home in the playoffs. I would put no trust in this team having home court. That is my issue with this team. I want them to have a mindset. They've had that mindset at home for the first 20 home games but it's not there anymore. When you barely beat WAS by 4 at home, that mindset is missing. Hopefully, we'll get it back tonight. Tillman has playoff experience, he started for the Grizzlies in last years playoffs! I think you may underrate Pritchard and maybe Houser! Tillman averaged 8.7 points and 8 rebounds while shooting 53 % field goals in last years playoffs!
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 14, 2024 15:59:04 GMT -5
I watched the Twolves beat the Clippers. They could be the team to beat out West. They really get after it on the defensive end!
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 14, 2024 16:07:03 GMT -5
Tillman, as KY points out, will absolutely help the depth. He has plenty of playoff experience and is a fierce competitor. That plus Horford, I think we're fine with big man depth.
So no Q necessary, but I think they could use a 2/3 hybrid who can 3 and D. Thought we were going to get one, not sure about Springer will provide.
But I disagree you need to look beyond the top 6. Championships are won by the top end of your roster. The bulls didnt win 6 because of the 7th,8th,9th men on the team. Sure they can help ,but at the end of the day...In the NBA you go as far as your stars take you.
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Post by rkarp1 on Feb 14, 2024 17:10:29 GMT -5
when you are picking nits over a teams 8th, 9th and 10th players, you are going to have inconsistencies. they do not match up well against every team, every player night after night, so their performance will be uneven. Tillman could be a more consistent off the bench contributor, joining Brissett, Kornet, PP and Hauser for a really good bench, that plays with 1 or 2 starters at all times. we would all like it to be perfect, but it never is. health is still the most important nit to pick, and Mazz is doing a good job resting the top players. in spite of all the belly aching here, the team is still winning I am suggesting 62-20. home court thru out the playoffs. if they are healthy, they will be the favorites to win the title. does not mean they will, but should be very well positioned to do so But we're not talking about the Celtics 8th, 9th and 10th players. Right now, we have SIX playoff-tested players. SIX. I don't add Kornet, Hauser or PP to that number. I find it hard to believe that Tillman and Springer will, when healed from injuries, have that much of an impact on the rotation, enough to be in that playoff rotation. We cannot go into the playoffs with ONLY six playoff-tested players. Second thing, the Celtics have proven that having home court in the playoffs MEANS NOTHING! We regularly lose at home in the playoffs. I don't know why this team loses so much at home in the playoffs. I would put no trust in this team having home court. That is my issue with this team. I want them to have a mindset. They've had that mindset at home for the first 20 home games but it's not there anymore. When you barely beat WAS by 4 at home, that mindset is missing. Hopefully, we'll get it back tonight. not sure I follow. Hauser, Kornet and PP do have playoff experience so does Tillman
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 14, 2024 17:53:49 GMT -5
I know these stats dont tell the whole story, but Al has a 1.8 VORP, Pritch and Hauser are at .7
Looking at some top teams - the nuggets only have 3 players with a VORP over .7, MPJ is 4th on the team with .6, then it drops to .1. Our top 3 bench players, who some are so concerned about are 7x better than the nuggets fifth best player.
The fifth best player on the Bucks is .4, then theres one at .2, then its a slew of .1s
The Cavs only have 3 players above .7
The wolves best bench player Naz Reid is 1.1 (impressive), they also have 2 more players around 1.
Thunder best bench player per VORP is Isaiah Joe at .7 then they have 2 at .4 as second and third best
Clippers have one bench player at .4 (their best), then its a few at .2
So per VORP , of all top teams - really only the Timberwolves are on par with us regarding bench player VORP
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 14, 2024 17:55:35 GMT -5
I mean - maybe theres a reason we're six games up on the 2 seed?
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 14, 2024 18:01:42 GMT -5
I mean - maybe theres a reason we're six games up on the 2 seed? We must be doing something right!
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Post by petey62 on Feb 14, 2024 18:01:58 GMT -5
But we're not talking about the Celtics 8th, 9th and 10th players. Right now, we have SIX playoff-tested players. SIX. I don't add Kornet, Hauser or PP to that number. I find it hard to believe that Tillman and Springer will, when healed from injuries, have that much of an impact on the rotation, enough to be in that playoff rotation. We cannot go into the playoffs with ONLY six playoff-tested players. Second thing, the Celtics have proven that having home court in the playoffs MEANS NOTHING! We regularly lose at home in the playoffs. I don't know why this team loses so much at home in the playoffs. I would put no trust in this team having home court. That is my issue with this team. I want them to have a mindset. They've had that mindset at home for the first 20 home games but it's not there anymore. When you barely beat WAS by 4 at home, that mindset is missing. Hopefully, we'll get it back tonight. not sure I follow. Hauser, Kornet and PP do have playoff experience so does Tillman Kornet, Hauser and PP will get very few minutes in the playoffs. They got very limited minutes in last year's playoffs. In the ECF, several DNP-Coach's Decision and several games with literally 5 or fewer minutes played. They played a lot of minutes in game 3 when Miami blew us out, so they got garbage minutes. We will not be able to depend on quality playoff minutes from either of those guys if it's anything like last year's playoffs. As far as Tillman goes, I sure hope you're right. In last year's playoffs against the Lakers, in the six games, he scored 8 points or less in 4 of the 6. I'm not so impressed by the single 22-point output from one game. But, again, I hope you're right.
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Post by petey62 on Feb 14, 2024 18:06:00 GMT -5
I mean - maybe theres a reason we're six games up on the 2 seed? That means nothing on Valentine's Day. It means nothing in April. We had home court for every playoff series last year and didn't reach the Finals. We had home court for every playoff series last year and lost at home in every series. Had we won at home, we easily win each series and Tatum doesn't injure his ankle cause there is no ECF game seven. I don't care about our record. I care about how we're playing. I care about losing 20-point leads against far inferior teams.
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Post by dfries13 on Feb 14, 2024 18:16:52 GMT -5
I mean - maybe theres a reason we're six games up on the 2 seed? Yep. Two maybe 3 if you count Porgy who has fit like OJ's glove in the courtroom. Tight Embiid is hurt and likely been playing hurt for a while. Bucks are disorganized with Lilllard and hired the worst coach possible. The East is the weakest in my NBA memory which on a good day is over 60 years.. Mazz has an easy path till the West Coast team shows up in Boston.
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Post by rkarp1 on Feb 14, 2024 18:43:29 GMT -5
I mean - maybe theres a reason we're six games up on the 2 seed? 42 wins before the all star break is impressive
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Post by dfries13 on Feb 14, 2024 18:55:55 GMT -5
I mean - maybe theres a reason we're six games up on the 2 seed? 42 wins before the all star break is impressive Indeed. Very Losing to the Lakers Clippers Denver and OKC recently is a concern. Maybe your like Drew not all or nothing? . Close counts. That's a peace of mind i don't have.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 15, 2024 7:01:19 GMT -5
Calling all Puds...................on the fitty train yet??
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 15, 2024 8:41:55 GMT -5
I mean - maybe theres a reason we're six games up on the 2 seed? That means nothing on Valentine's Day. It means nothing in April. We had home court for every playoff series last year and didn't reach the Finals. We had home court for every playoff series last year and lost at home in every series. Had we won at home, we easily win each series and Tatum doesn't injure his ankle cause there is no ECF game seven. I don't care about our record. I care about how we're playing. I care about losing 20-point leads against far inferior teams. It may mean nothing to you, but it means something to me. Im enjoying watching this team win, and at the end of the day its all about entertainment. How we're playing is at least equally important to record, no argument there. Agreed the home playoff losses are frustrating, but Im not convinced that we'll keep losing home playoff games. Some small sample sizes in there. But generally agree that the 1 seed doesnt guarantee shit. The NBA is too strong. I think the talent level of NBA far exceeds all other sports at present. League is just littered with great players and winning a championship even with the 1 seed is tough,
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 15, 2024 8:44:03 GMT -5
I mean - maybe theres a reason we're six games up on the 2 seed? Yep. Two maybe 3 if you count Porgy who has fit like OJ's glove in the courtroom. Tight Embiid is hurt and likely been playing hurt for a while. Bucks are disorganized with Lilllard and hired the worst coach possible. The East is the weakest in my NBA memory which on a good day is over 60 years.. Mazz has an easy path till the West Coast team shows up in Boston. Agreed. When you're well up on 2 seed (knocks on wood) the question becomes are we just awesome or are other teams getting in their own way. In this case, prob little of column A, little of column B. As you point out, Porgie has been a great fit. We're playing well on both sides of the ball and the players seem to be playing team basketball (at least more than in recent years). The ball-hogginess , your-turn my-turn, every time I touch the ball Im gonna shoot crap has slowed this year
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 15, 2024 8:44:46 GMT -5
42 wins before the all star break is impressive Indeed. Very Losing to the Lakers Clippers Denver and OKC recently is a concern. Maybe your like Drew not all or nothing? . Close counts. That's a peace of mind i don't have.Peace of mind is something you can practice, my friend.
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Post by drewski6 on Feb 15, 2024 8:51:26 GMT -5
not sure I follow. Hauser, Kornet and PP do have playoff experience so does Tillman Kornet, Hauser and PP will get very few minutes in the playoffs. They got very limited minutes in last year's playoffs. In the ECF, several DNP-Coach's Decision and several games with literally 5 or fewer minutes played. They played a lot of minutes in game 3 when Miami blew us out, so they got garbage minutes. We will not be able to depend on quality playoff minutes from either of those guys if it's anything like last year's playoffs. As far as Tillman goes, I sure hope you're right. In last year's playoffs against the Lakers, in the six games, he scored 8 points or less in 4 of the 6. I'm not so impressed by the single 22-point output from one game. But, again, I hope you're right. Okay, but lets say youre a coach and you have 2 players (PP and Hauser) who didnt play a lot of minutes in playoffs last year and didnt really force you to play em more so thats as much as them as it is on coaching decisions. Lets flash forward and say that youre now about to enter playoffs again, and those 2 players played very well off the bench all year. What do you honestly think is a more accurate predictor? The A) 20 playoff games they played 1 year ago, or B) the final 50 regular season games they played that year. Its a momentum sport. If they are playing quality bench role all season and they enter the playoffs, they are going in with momentum and Id trust the "B" sample size more. Its larger and more recent. Maybe you pull the hook a little quicker if they struggle again, but you shouldnt be looking at them at this point as someone you cant play when theyve played well all year. And they are playing well. Hauser has length and is contributing on the glass and using his length to disrupt opposing shooters (as well as his bread-and-butter of shooting). PP's turnover/usage metrics are impressive and has really turned it around after an ice cold start to the year. Tillmans not there to score. Hes there for quality and versatile defense. When we traded for him, fans of his former team were sad to see him go That says something. Im not super concerned about it. But I was a bit disappointed they didnt find a way to get Bey at the deadline, sure.
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Post by dfries13 on Feb 15, 2024 10:55:41 GMT -5
Indeed. Very Losing to the Lakers Clippers Denver and OKC recently is a concern. Maybe your like Drew not all or nothing? . Close counts. That's a peace of mind i don't have.Peace of mind is something you can practice, my friend. Yes i should have practiced that long ago. ...My daughter says i'm the only one in the family who always worries . I replied someone has to. Your right it's just entertainment however more important issues should be my priority.
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Post by petey62 on Feb 16, 2024 15:06:56 GMT -5
Kornet, Hauser and PP will get very few minutes in the playoffs. They got very limited minutes in last year's playoffs. In the ECF, several DNP-Coach's Decision and several games with literally 5 or fewer minutes played. They played a lot of minutes in game 3 when Miami blew us out, so they got garbage minutes. We will not be able to depend on quality playoff minutes from either of those guys if it's anything like last year's playoffs. As far as Tillman goes, I sure hope you're right. In last year's playoffs against the Lakers, in the six games, he scored 8 points or less in 4 of the 6. I'm not so impressed by the single 22-point output from one game. But, again, I hope you're right. Okay, but lets say youre a coach and you have 2 players (PP and Hauser) who didnt play a lot of minutes in playoffs last year and didnt really force you to play em more so thats as much as them as it is on coaching decisions. Lets flash forward and say that youre now about to enter playoffs again, and those 2 players played very well off the bench all year. What do you honestly think is a more accurate predictor? The A) 20 playoff games they played 1 year ago, or B) the final 50 regular season games they played that year. Its a momentum sport. If they are playing quality bench role all season and they enter the playoffs, they are going in with momentum and Id trust the "B" sample size more. Its larger and more recent. Maybe you pull the hook a little quicker if they struggle again, but you shouldnt be looking at them at this point as someone you cant play when theyve played well all year. And they are playing well. Hauser has length and is contributing on the glass and using his length to disrupt opposing shooters (as well as his bread-and-butter of shooting). PP's turnover/usage metrics are impressive and has really turned it around after an ice cold start to the year. Tillmans not there to score. Hes there for quality and versatile defense. When we traded for him, fans of his former team were sad to see him go That says something. Im not super concerned about it. But I was a bit disappointed they didnt find a way to get Bey at the deadline, sure. A predictor of this year's playoffs expectations can be gained by last year's playoffs performance. Who cares that PP scored 28 in a 50-point home win against BKN? PP played very well last year as a 2nd bench player behind Brogdon (earned him a nice contract in the offseason). But that doesn't make him a playoff asset. He will get pulled quicker in a game if he struggles and that will lead to him getting only 5 minutes in other playoff games like last year. Also, a huge factor depends on who we're playing and how often teams successfully pick on him. I love PP and Hauser and they work so very hard, as does Kornet. But these guys are not going to contribute much come playoff time. And, as for Tillman, he's played in 6 playoff games. I'm sorry that's not much experience, and he played starter minutes. Hell, Lamar Stevens got 29 minutes last night in the Grizzlies win against MIL and scored 13 points. That doesn't translate to 15 quality minutes off the bench!
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