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Post by drewski6 on Oct 31, 2023 14:41:40 GMT -5
I think both teams lost in the trade! I noticed they picked up Robert Covington in the trade. They may actually play him...they used to play him a lot the first two times he was there. I believe this is his third time as a sixer. I dont think they are tanking. I think they are going to try to trade the picks ASAP for help. So would not be surprised if the vets in the deal got some run (Covington included)
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Post by hedleylamarr on Oct 31, 2023 15:14:12 GMT -5
I noticed they picked up Robert Covington in the trade. They may actually play him...they used to play him a lot the first two times he was there. I believe this is his third time as a sixer. I dont think they are tanking. I think they are going to try to trade the picks ASAP for help. So would not be surprised if the vets in the deal got some run (Covington included) I agree. No way is this all they are getting for Harden. They will move other pieces/picks to complete the deal.
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Post by Cabutan on Oct 31, 2023 15:24:37 GMT -5
Sixers look tough with that trade.
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Post by kyceltic on Oct 31, 2023 15:45:36 GMT -5
Jordan Walsh assigned to the Maine Celtics. No surprise here!
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Post by cole on Oct 31, 2023 16:05:31 GMT -5
I dont think they are tanking. I think they are going to try to trade the picks ASAP for help. So would not be surprised if the vets in the deal got some run (Covington included) I agree. No way is this all they are getting for Harden. They will move other pieces/picks to complete the deal. IDK, it's a big contract. Not many teams in a position to want him. Even the Clippers balked a while. Would you want him...not now obviously but in a vacuum? I do agree the sixers aren't done.
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Post by croc on Oct 31, 2023 17:13:58 GMT -5
I agree. No way is this all they are getting for Harden. They will move other pieces/picks to complete the deal. IDK, it's a big contract. Not many teams in a position to want him. Even the Clippers balked a while. Would you want him...not now obviously but in a vacuum? I do agree the sixers aren't done. Trading yes....But I'm reaching for a fork.
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Post by Admin on Oct 31, 2023 18:03:02 GMT -5
IDK, it's a big contract. Not many teams in a position to want him. Even the Clippers balked a while. Would you want him...not now obviously but in a vacuum? I do agree the sixers aren't done. Trading yes....But I'm reaching for a fork.
Let’s take a closer look at the pieces involved in the deal to get a better sense of what it means for Celtics.
Nicolas Batum: Probably the best player involved in the deal, which isn’t exactly saying much at age 34 when a perennial All-Star is heading out the door. He’s a valuable wing with length and a good 3-point shooter but his best days are well behind him. Likely to slide in as a closing five option for Nick Nurse with Tucker gone.
Marcus Morris: The Clippers took him out of the rotation midway through last season and have been waiting to find a home for him ever since. His 3-point shooting will be useful for Philadelphia, assuming he gets a fresh start there but his transition defense struggles may not go great for a team that struggles in that department against the Celtics often. It will be interesting to see how fresh his legs are after a year off essentially.
Robert Covington: Another formerly intriguing overpaid role player who will soak up some minutes at power forward. The Celtics wings were abusing him plenty in the postseason five years ago when Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum were young pups. Now, Covington is 32 and returning to his original team to fight for minutes.
KJ Martin: Another hybrid forward! This one is younger and with a little more athleticism but he also lacks a reliable jump shot.
Draft picks: This is where the real value of the deal was for the 76ers, as they acquired four picks including an unprotected first-round selection in 2028. Philadelphia had already given up two future first-round picks (2025, 2027) in recent deals so this replenishes their asset cabinet a little bit for whenever they want to take a big swing and add a formidable name next to Joel Embiid.
What comes next for 76ers and what it means for Celtics
While it’s useful that the 76ers added a ton of expiring contracts in the deal (see: all four players above), none of those guys hold any meaningful trade value. Daryl Morey now has five future first-round picks he can currently deal (2024, 2026, 2028 x 2, 2030) but just how much value those selections hold is iffy with Philly’s long-term outlook looking rosy as long as Joel Embiid is part of the equation.
The 76ers may try to make an in-season splash but it’s hard to find any realistic names to acquire that would put them on or close to the Celtics’ level. Pascal Siakam or OG Anounoby would help but aren’t game-changers if the Raptors decide to blow things up. The same goes for any stars on the Bulls (DeMar DeRozan, Zach LaVine). Factor in a lot of other teams in both conferences that have stockpiled draft assets in the last few years (OKC, Utah, Indiana, New York), it’s hard to see the Sixers outbidding this group for an appealing name. They may get someone who has a soft trade market (see some of the names mentioned) but that shouldn’t put much of a scare into the Celtics. There’s also a real possibility that Morey would simply prefer the cap room this deal created for this summer and opt against a splashy in-season addition with his assets.
The bottom line here for Boston? The Sixers didn’t get much for Harden here on the court in the present and that’s a good thing. Philadelphia will still win plenty of games during the regular season but the likes of Batum and Covington aren’t going to flip a playoff series against a contender. Morey may not be done but the sizable gap between the Celtics and 76ers has not closed much in the wake of this deal.
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Post by DaCeltics on Oct 31, 2023 19:31:39 GMT -5
Trading yes....But I'm reaching for a fork.
Let’s take a closer look at the pieces involved in the deal to get a better sense of what it means for Celtics.
Nicolas Batum: Probably the best player involved in the deal, which isn’t exactly saying much at age 34 when a perennial All-Star is heading out the door. He’s a valuable wing with length and a good 3-point shooter but his best days are well behind him. Likely to slide in as a closing five option for Nick Nurse with Tucker gone.
Marcus Morris: The Clippers took him out of the rotation midway through last season and have been waiting to find a home for him ever since. His 3-point shooting will be useful for Philadelphia, assuming he gets a fresh start there but his transition defense struggles may not go great for a team that struggles in that department against the Celtics often. It will be interesting to see how fresh his legs are after a year off essentially.
Robert Covington: Another formerly intriguing overpaid role player who will soak up some minutes at power forward. The Celtics wings were abusing him plenty in the postseason five years ago when Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum were young pups. Now, Covington is 32 and returning to his original team to fight for minutes.
KJ Martin: Another hybrid forward! This one is younger and with a little more athleticism but he also lacks a reliable jump shot.
Draft picks: This is where the real value of the deal was for the 76ers, as they acquired four picks including an unprotected first-round selection in 2028. Philadelphia had already given up two future first-round picks (2025, 2027) in recent deals so this replenishes their asset cabinet a little bit for whenever they want to take a big swing and add a formidable name next to Joel Embiid.
What comes next for 76ers and what it means for Celtics
While it’s useful that the 76ers added a ton of expiring contracts in the deal (see: all four players above), none of those guys hold any meaningful trade value. Daryl Morey now has five future first-round picks he can currently deal (2024, 2026, 2028 x 2, 2030) but just how much value those selections hold is iffy with Philly’s long-term outlook looking rosy as long as Joel Embiid is part of the equation.
The 76ers may try to make an in-season splash but it’s hard to find any realistic names to acquire that would put them on or close to the Celtics’ level. Pascal Siakam or OG Anounoby would help but aren’t game-changers if the Raptors decide to blow things up. The same goes for any stars on the Bulls (DeMar DeRozan, Zach LaVine). Factor in a lot of other teams in both conferences that have stockpiled draft assets in the last few years (OKC, Utah, Indiana, New York), it’s hard to see the Sixers outbidding this group for an appealing name. They may get someone who has a soft trade market (see some of the names mentioned) but that shouldn’t put much of a scare into the Celtics. There’s also a real possibility that Morey would simply prefer the cap room this deal created for this summer and opt against a splashy in-season addition with his assets.
The bottom line here for Boston? The Sixers didn’t get much for Harden here on the court in the present and that’s a good thing. Philadelphia will still win plenty of games during the regular season but the likes of Batum and Covington aren’t going to flip a playoff series against a contender. Morey may not be done but the sizable gap between the Celtics and 76ers has not closed much in the wake of this deal.
They loaded up on guys that can wear down the J's.
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Post by DaCeltics on Oct 31, 2023 19:34:45 GMT -5
Mazulla needs to stop dicking around with the bench and get Svi and Lamar into scoring roles ASAP.
PP and Hauser are not asserting themselves enough or are incapable of generating points without the J's. I believe Svi and Lamar are capable.
Brissette is just a hustle player.
Ideally you can rest the J's at the same time if you knew Lamar and Svi could hold the fort for them.
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Post by DaCeltics on Oct 31, 2023 19:39:07 GMT -5
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Post by DaCeltics on Oct 31, 2023 19:39:52 GMT -5
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Post by croc on Oct 31, 2023 20:41:43 GMT -5
Mazulla needs to stop dicking around with the bench and get Svi and Lamar into scoring roles ASAP. PP and Hauser are not asserting themselves enough or are incapable of generating points without the J's. I believe Svi and Lamar are capable. Brissette is just a hustle player. Ideally you can rest the J's at the same time if you knew Lamar and Svi could hold the fort for them. Isn't early season about setting up the rotation? Philly scares me as much as a 4' tall Trick or Treater.
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Post by dfries13 on Oct 31, 2023 22:17:12 GMT -5
Mazulla needs to stop dicking around with the bench and get Svi and Lamar into scoring roles ASAP. PP and Hauser are not asserting themselves enough or are incapable of generating points without the J's. I believe Svi and Lamar are capable. Brissette is just a hustle player. Ideally you can rest the J's at the same time if you knew Lamar and Svi could hold the fort for them. Isn't early season about setting up the rotation? Philly scares me as much as a 4' tall Trick or Treater. A dude in Long Island pulled a gun on a 4 ft Trick or Treater this weekend.. Nice one.. What rotation? Just who is Mazz setting up for the rotation? Imposters is all i see...
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Post by croc on Nov 1, 2023 4:06:38 GMT -5
C's will be fine. I can't say it's October any more...Cuz it's only November.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Nov 1, 2023 7:02:43 GMT -5
Master plan revealed?
DeRozan’s $28.6 million salary is simple for the Sixers to match on its own with a combination of the expiring contract they got from the Clippers. In fact, they have enough expirings to acquire both DeRozan and LaVine while being able to duck the luxury tax. However, it’s unclear if all the tradeable pieces from the Sixers draft chest will be enough value to acquire both players. – via Yossi Gozlan @ HoopsHype Top Rumors, DeMar DeRozan, Zach LaVine, Chicago Bulls, Philadelphia 76ers
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Post by hedleylamarr on Nov 1, 2023 7:05:28 GMT -5
Guess they'll have to rely on "superstar" Aaron Nesmith:
Bobby Manning: #Celtics could be facing a short-handed #Pacers team tomorrow: Tyrese Haliburton is questionable (ankle), as are Bennedict Mathurin (elbow) and Jalen Smith (knee). Wonder if we’d see Daniel Theis in Smith’s absence, who hasn’t played in Boston since the ’22 east finals. – via Twitter RealBobManning Injuries, Bennedict Mathurin, Daniel Theis, Jalen Smith, Tyrese Haliburton, Boston Celtics, Indiana Pacers
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Post by kdp59 on Nov 1, 2023 7:14:08 GMT -5
my math has Morris, Batum and Melton matching Lavine's salary.
can't make that deal for two months though.
whatever Philly got in draft capital from the Harden deal would likely have to go to Chicago as well. 2- first and 2-sedonds.
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Post by cole on Nov 1, 2023 7:38:59 GMT -5
Master plan revealed? DeRozan’s $28.6 million salary is simple for the Sixers to match on its own with a combination of the expiring contract they got from the Clippers. In fact, they have enough expirings to acquire both DeRozan and LaVine while being able to duck the luxury tax. However, it’s unclear if all the tradeable pieces from the Sixers draft chest will be enough value to acquire both players. – via Yossi Gozlan @ HoopsHype Top Rumors, DeMar DeRozan, Zach LaVine, Chicago Bulls, Philadelphia 76ers Wow, Chicago would really be going into tanksville. Might as well trade vucevic too.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Nov 1, 2023 8:03:29 GMT -5
my math has Morris, Batum and Melton matching Lavine's salary. can't make that deal for two months though. whatever Philly got in draft capital from the Harden deal would likely have to go to Chicago as well. 2- first and 2-sedonds. I read that with the Harden trade, PHI may be over the second -tier, which may mean that they have to match dollar-for-dollar.....? I might be wrong now that the trade is over, but I hope CHI is not that stupid.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Nov 1, 2023 11:25:25 GMT -5
IF it's over in your mind, then shut the hell up:
Gallinari, who was traded to the Wizards in the Kristaps Porziņģis deal, reflected on his lost season with the Celtics on Monday night before falling to his former team, 126-107. “I had the chance to decide to go to a championship team,” Gallinari told The Athletic. “And just like all my career, the timing with injuries has always been terrible. So it was just bad timing. I thought we had the chance to win it. I thought especially during the series with Miami I could have helped a lot. But it’s all in the past.” – via Jay King @ The Athletic Injuries, Trade, Danilo Gallinari, Boston Celtics, Washington Wizards
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Post by croc on Nov 1, 2023 12:35:23 GMT -5
C's will be fine. I can't say it's October any more...Cuz it's only November. Karalis on the bench: I'm really not that concerned right now. Like you said, they need to sort out the roles and get as many reps as they can in real world situations next to the team's stars.Also re PP TTE Playing garbage time isn't the same as playing a rotation. (per the above it's important in sorting out roles.)
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 1, 2023 12:56:48 GMT -5
C's will be fine. I can't say it's October any more...Cuz it's only November. Karalis on the bench: I'm really not that concerned right now. Like you said, they need to sort out the roles and get as many reps as they can in real world situations next to the team's stars.Also re PP TTE Playing garbage time isn't the same as playing a rotation. (per the above it's important in sorting out roles.) I'm not worried about the bench at this point. I would like to see what Stevens and Svi can do with the starters though. I'm sure we will sooner or later.
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 1, 2023 18:46:40 GMT -5
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