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Post by petey62 on Mar 20, 2023 16:23:52 GMT -5
Admin, your last two posts are a microcosm of everything going wrong with the Celtics.
First off, Tatum's entire non-verbal is a problem. Even his verbal suggesting even if a play is drawn up for him, we have other options. WHO IS THIS GUY? No, young fella, YOU WANT THE BALL AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY YOU WANT THE BALL. No, you don't have to throw anyone under the bus but, to SEEM perfectly okay with Grant doing what he did at game's end IS A PROBLEM. And to end it with "It's basketball". Whoa, I need fire. I need passion. You are playing like shit and you ARE failing your team with your play and subsequent body language on the court. His attitude stinks.
As for JT taking a shitty two-for-one ill-advised 3-pointer with 35 seconds left is an indictment on both him and Mazzulla. What the hell is wrong with them if either thinks anyone is buying such nonsense? No way anyone thinks a two-for-one shot, just for the sake of getting a two-for-one, is the best strategy at that moment.
JT is playing and looking like he's not really into playing. I'll say it again, he is just a very talented and skilled young player. Nothing more! RIGHT NOW, Jaylen Brown is the best performing Celtics player. JT is no better, right now, than other very talented and skilled young players like Donovan Mitchell, Devin Booker, and, right now, Jaylen Brown.
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Post by puddin on Mar 20, 2023 17:26:24 GMT -5
Admin, your last two posts are a microcosm of everything going wrong with the Celtics. First off, Tatum's entire non-verbal is a problem. Even his verbal suggesting even if a play is drawn up for him, we have other options. WHO IS THIS GUY? No, young fella, YOU WANT THE BALL AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY YOU WANT THE BALL. No, you don't have to throw anyone under the bus but, to SEEM perfectly okay with Grant doing what he did at game's end IS A PROBLEM. And to end it with "It's basketball". Whoa, I need fire. I need passion. You are playing like shit and you ARE failing your team with your play and subsequent body language on the court. His attitude stinks. As for JT taking a shitty two-for-one ill-advised 3-pointer with 35 seconds left is an indictment on both him and Mazzulla. What the hell is wrong with them if either thinks anyone is buying such nonsense? No way anyone thinks a two-for-one shot, just for the sake of getting a two-for-one, is the best strategy at that moment. JT is playing and looking like he's not really into playing. I'll say it again, he is just a very talented and skilled young player. Nothing more! RIGHT NOW, Jaylen Brown is the best performing Celtics player. JT is no better, right now, than other very talented and skilled young players like Donovan Mitchell, Devin Booker, and, right now, Jaylen Brown. Petey... my guess is that Mr Ruffles was simply feel'n it when he went for broke!
So why not cut the 2023 NBA All Star MVP a bit of slack...
And, more importantly, pledge to stop overthinking things...
Its basketball after all!
Pud
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Post by petey62 on Mar 20, 2023 17:55:20 GMT -5
Admin, your last two posts are a microcosm of everything going wrong with the Celtics. First off, Tatum's entire non-verbal is a problem. Even his verbal suggesting even if a play is drawn up for him, we have other options. WHO IS THIS GUY? No, young fella, YOU WANT THE BALL AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY YOU WANT THE BALL. No, you don't have to throw anyone under the bus but, to SEEM perfectly okay with Grant doing what he did at game's end IS A PROBLEM. And to end it with "It's basketball". Whoa, I need fire. I need passion. You are playing like shit and you ARE failing your team with your play and subsequent body language on the court. His attitude stinks. As for JT taking a shitty two-for-one ill-advised 3-pointer with 35 seconds left is an indictment on both him and Mazzulla. What the hell is wrong with them if either thinks anyone is buying such nonsense? No way anyone thinks a two-for-one shot, just for the sake of getting a two-for-one, is the best strategy at that moment. JT is playing and looking like he's not really into playing. I'll say it again, he is just a very talented and skilled young player. Nothing more! RIGHT NOW, Jaylen Brown is the best performing Celtics player. JT is no better, right now, than other very talented and skilled young players like Donovan Mitchell, Devin Booker, and, right now, Jaylen Brown. Petey... my guess is that Mr Ruffles was simply feel'n it when he went for broke!
So why not cut the 2023 NBA All Star MVP a bit of slack...
And, more importantly, pledge to stop overthinking things...
Its basketball after all!
Pud
Tatum was definitely feeling it on that 3-point attempt. Too funny! And yes, it's basketball after all. Seems that All Star game was the best game he's played in months.
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 20, 2023 18:59:12 GMT -5
What Pete said.
No slack givin around here..
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Post by Cabutan on Mar 20, 2023 20:45:48 GMT -5
seems the two hardys were in two places at the same time. 😂 We kept the wrong hardy
Per masslive.com
Before Joe Mazzulla picked up his first-ever win leading the Celtics as interim coach, he almost didn’t get that opportunity. When the Jazz and Danny Ainge were looking for a new head coach this past offseason, they landed on C’s assistant Will Hardy to lead a rebuild in Utah. Mazzulla was part of the interview process as one of the up-and-coming young coaches in the league, which is why Ainge wanted to poach him to the Jazz.
But Celtics co-owner Wyc Grousbeck said he blocked any move to also grab Mazzulla, who was still an assistant coach on Ime Udoka’s staff at the time. And it was a good move in hindsight as Mazzulla was promoted to interim head coach after Udoka’s yearlong suspension for violating team policies. Grousbeck made his comments on WEEI’s The Greg Hill Show, detailing why he shut down the attempt.
that's what I remember reading
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Post by Cabutan on Mar 20, 2023 20:48:47 GMT -5
So the M.O. in the NBA these days is to take a 2-for-1 in the closing moments of a close game. That means taking two shitty shots rather than using the entire clock for one solid high percentage shot. Doesn't sound like good strategy especially when down 1pt!
With 35 seconds remaining on the clock, the Boston Celtics looked for a two-for-one possession against the Utah Jazz, electing for Jayson Tatum to take a pull-up three in the hopes that he could give Boston control of the game. Tatum ended up missing that shot, allowing the Jazz to secure the rebound and take the driver’s seat in the dying moments of the contest. When speaking on the Locked’ On Celtics Podcast, John Karalis noted how a Jayson Tatum pull-up three isn’t an analytically favorable shot and stated that the St. Louis native shouldn’t be the automatic choice for big moments down the stretch.
“What I didn’t like was the Tatum pull up, which, Joe Mazzulla after the game is like, ‘I’ll take that 100 times out of 100.’ And every game, I’m like, ‘really? Because he’s gonna miss 70 times.'” Karalis said. “There’s no reason to expect that he was going to go and have this big, big moment, other than he’s Jayson Tatum. But you know what? I’m tired of that. I’m tired of that notion. Because he’s not there. He hasn’t earned, ‘well, he’s Jayson Tatum.’ He just hasn’t earned that. He hasn’t…He’s not Giannis. He’s not Steph. He’s not KD. He’s not at that level, where you’ve earned the well, ‘he’s insert name. Of course you want him taking that shot.’ I don’t think he’s there.”Tatum has been struggling since returning from the All-Star break and failed to build on the momentum he generated from his 34-point performance against the Portland Trail Blazers, as the Jazz disrupted his rhythm and limited him to just 15 points on 33.3% shooting from the field in 38 minutes of play. Joe Mazzulla Called Out For ‘Baffling Decision’ Joe Mazzulla has been coming under increasing scrutiny in recent weeks, not only for calling Tatum’s number on every clutch play but also for his rotations, with his decision to sit Derrick White for the entire fourth quarter against Utah a prime example. In his March 19 article for NBC Sports Boston, Chris Forsberg shared his thoughts on why Mazzulla’s decision to sit one of the team’s most reliable players down the stretch was baffling, especially in a closely contested game. “But White’s fourth-quarter DNP on Saturday night was downright baffling,” Forsberg wrote. “The Celtics were playing without three starters, including Smart, and couldn’t find any time for White? Yes, the Celtics needed size but White is one of the team’s best decision-makers and can often negate the size he gives up with his basketball IQ. He needs to be on the floor more regardless of matchups.” wow. Some heated arguments there.
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Post by Cabutan on Mar 20, 2023 20:59:26 GMT -5
Tatum's post game interviews pretty much sums it all up. It's just basketball. That's Tatum once again showing his immaturity level which is at the same level as Mazzullas.. We saw that when he was 19, we are seeing it now that he is what? 25? Sickening. I let others sniff the rod. Show me a championship and some character level. Some growth on your game accompanied with consistency combined with a few chips and that's what a true star should be all about. And make the call once the guy retires. Too early to call anyone in the league as an all star other than your Mickey mouse star weekend performers
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Post by Admin on Mar 20, 2023 22:27:16 GMT -5
I feel like his attitude is one of indifference since the ASG because he's fallen out of the MVP race and isn't as motivated now as he was going into the ASG.
He has nothing to play for until the playoffs begin. He's not interested in seeding, sending messages to you opponents or establishing your team's play ahead of time. It's all about him and the reward for MVP is no longer within his grasp!
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Post by kdp59 on Mar 21, 2023 6:17:09 GMT -5
my two cents are that players today simply see it as a job and means to gain more wealth and or fame.
so What Tatum is saying seems to be the norm for most NBA players today.
for us old-timers who want our players to bleed for their team and hate the "others", I think we are dinosaurs now. That age has come and gone.
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Post by puddin on Mar 21, 2023 6:45:32 GMT -5
my two cents are that players today simply see it as a job and means to gain more wealth and or fame. so What Tatum is saying seems to be the norm for most NBA players today. for us old-timers who want our players to bleed for their team and hate the "others", I think we are dinosaurs now. That age has come and gone. I understand all too well that for professional athletes it is a job, a very high paying job for many.
They are extremely lucky to be able to play a game to make a very good living.
I get it all too well.
(Though my childish dreams die hard!)
All I ask is that when you step between the lines, you lay it all on the line.... and some still do.
But not enough do... and not often enough for my liking.
Now days, its mostly packaging....
Pud
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 21, 2023 7:00:40 GMT -5
I feel like his attitude is one of indifference since the ASG because he's fallen out of the MVP race and isn't as motivated now as he was going into the ASG. He has nothing to play for until the playoffs begin. He's not interested in seeding, sending messages to you opponents or establishing your team's play ahead of time. It's all about him and the reward for MVP is no longer within his grasp! Becoming like his hero??
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 21, 2023 7:14:48 GMT -5
A reminder of his connection to the organization where he spent 19 seasons as an executive and another eight as a player. Ainge won two championships with the team as a player, then another as a general manager in 2008. Two years after his departure, the roster is still loaded with players he drafted, including four of the team’s starters in Williams, Tatum, Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart. That’s part of the reason why Ainge openly admits to cheering for another team. He still cares for the people he left behind. “I root hard for the Celtics,” Ainge said. – via Jay King @ The Athletic Top Rumors, Danny Ainge, Boston Celtics, Utah Jazz
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Post by rkarp1 on Mar 21, 2023 8:03:33 GMT -5
-Mazz is still a rookie HC and will have some growing pains -will he be an upper echelon HC in 3 years? I suspect he would -Hardy too will be very good. Brad/Wyc most likely was either/or with these guys, and they chose Mazz -imo, a personnel mistake was letting go Dunn for nothing. clearly playing well and getting better. very, very good defender and rebounder. shot very much improved -mind set today needs to be healthy and rested. assuming so, I believe the C's could beat everyone in the league. could does not mean will, but I like the C's over everyone at the moment -I do think MAzz has brought Hauser and WHite along to a point that they will be key in the playoffs. allows Mazz the luxury of matching up SMart and Grant where they fit best, and sit them where they do not.
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Post by Admin on Mar 21, 2023 11:11:54 GMT -5
I feel like his attitude is one of indifference since the ASG because he's fallen out of the MVP race and isn't as motivated now as he was going into the ASG. He has nothing to play for until the playoffs begin. He's not interested in seeding, sending messages to you opponents or establishing your team's play ahead of time. It's all about him and the reward for MVP is no longer within his grasp! Becoming like his hero??
Kobe? Didn't he try to win all the time no matter what the circumstance?
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2023 11:30:37 GMT -5
Kobe? Didn't he try to win all the time no matter what the circumstance?
I think so and Tatum's hero is himself.. He's selfish Kobe could read and spoke like an adult. Tatum is still a boy who's not so bright. So much for Stevens developing players that the biggest piece of shit that has ever been printed..
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2023 11:35:38 GMT -5
-Mazz is still a rookie HC and will have some growing pains -will he be an upper echelon HC in 3 years? I suspect he would -Hardy too will be very good. Brad/Wyc most likely was either/or with these guys, and they chose Mazz -imo, a personnel mistake was letting go Dunn for nothing. clearly playing well and getting better. very, very good defender and rebounder. shot very much improved -mind set today needs to be healthy and rested. assuming so, I believe the C's could beat everyone in the league. could does not mean will, but I like the C's over everyone at the moment -I do think MAzz has brought Hauser and WHite along to a point that they will be key in the playoffs. allows Mazz the luxury of matching up SMart and Grant where they fit best, and sit them where they do not. 3 more years huh? So were moving back now? ok that's obvious..
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 21, 2023 11:49:48 GMT -5
Kobe? Didn't he try to win all the time no matter what the circumstance?
Yes, as long as he "ate first, and everyone else got sloppy seconds." That was the point I was making.
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2023 12:41:42 GMT -5
Here are the facts.
Kobe Bryant first won an NBA Championship in 2000, at the age of 23. He went on to get four more rings. Tatum has none.
12 times he was on the all defensive team. Tatum not once...
Tatum has done what? Signed a Ruffles and Shoe deal ..
Granted the Lakers had a real GM and coach.. We don't
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 21, 2023 12:51:39 GMT -5
Here are the facts. Kobe Bryant first won an NBA Championship in 2000, at the age of 23. He went on to get four more rings. Tatum has none. 12 times he was on the all defensive team. Tatum not once... Tatum has done what? Signed a Ruffles and Shoe deal .. Granted the Lakers had a real GM and coach.. We don't Kobe was great, what's your point?
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2023 13:00:12 GMT -5
Here are the facts. Kobe Bryant first won an NBA Championship in 2000, at the age of 23. He went on to get four more rings. Tatum has none. 12 times he was on the all defensive team. Tatum not once... Tatum has done what? Signed a Ruffles and Shoe deal .. Granted the Lakers had a real GM and coach.. We don't Kobe was great, what's your point? Yes, as long as he "ate first, and everyone else got sloppy seconds." You tell me your point ist...
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2023 14:34:06 GMT -5
Hedley .. Your post is gone on Kobe's direct quote..
I 've searched Microsoft Google and Yahoo can't find when or where Kobe said that.
Help me out here..
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Post by Admin on Mar 21, 2023 14:40:00 GMT -5
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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2023 14:47:27 GMT -5
I guess we're riding with the King
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Post by Admin on Mar 21, 2023 14:49:01 GMT -5
Hopefully not the "King of Pain" when it's all ovah ...
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 21, 2023 14:49:48 GMT -5
I guess we're riding with the King You included . The Spinners?
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