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Post by rkarp1 on Jun 14, 2022 8:42:11 GMT -5
honestly, for this C's team, I take Murray over Beal 10 times out of 10, factoring in salary, defense, age etc. I see Murray in that top 20 players in the league. I see him as untouchable by the Spurs, especially for an injury prone RWill. simply said, I am not a fan of losing Brown for most any player in the league, including Beal. find some help for RWill inside, further develop Nesmith and PP. I had Smart heading closer to home there also, But I do get your point about Murray probably costing more than Smart and Rob (though I figured Boston fans would go nuts over the trade Rob now approach). You and I must see Rob in the same light, I see him as an elite athletic talent, who already has issues staying healthy. Most players that rely on elite athleticism for their games decline rapidly once they hit 30 , ones with history problems young have even shorter timelines. yes agree 100%. I had said at the start of the series, the team would need Theis to step up. based on Rob's health and Al's legs/age, they need another big. Theis simply can play on this stage at the level needed. at his salary, he will be hard to move. GWill has played well. White has had his moments. but in a playoff format, GS is very hard to beat playing 6-7 players. credit to the C's. they have been the better team imo, but have beat themselves, and are the more tired team
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 14, 2022 9:26:58 GMT -5
When we have practice, instead of jacking up 100 3's, why don't we work on our free throws and passing out of traps, double teams, and downhill drives? What a concept.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 14, 2022 10:00:05 GMT -5
We can't compete with this:
There has been plenty of talk among league personnel that some combination of Capela, John Collins, Kevin Huerter and the No. 16 pick could be routed to Utah for the three-time Defensive Player of the Year. – via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report Top Rumors, Draft, Clint Capela, John Collins, Kevin Huerter, Rudy Gobert, Atlanta Hawks, Utah Jazz
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Post by croc on Jun 14, 2022 10:15:43 GMT -5
Brown needs to hire a dribbling coach for the off season. Yup but I still wouldn't deal him. He's one man I can see working on his kraft to make himself better
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Post by rkarp1 on Jun 14, 2022 10:22:31 GMT -5
Brown needs to hire a dribbling coach for the off season. Yup but I still wouldn't deal him. He's one man I can see working on his kraft to make himself better yes I agree. I can't see anyone coming in that is better and/or as young as Brown the team in general, win or lose the finals championship, has earned the right to return in tact with some tweaks/upgrades. it is incumbent on the staff to get the Nesmith and PP to another level, and to find more help for Al/Rob
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Post by elvissurfs on Jun 14, 2022 10:27:04 GMT -5
Yup but I still wouldn't deal him. He's one man I can see working on his kraft to make himself better yes I agree. I can't see anyone coming in that is better and/or as young as Brown the team in general, win or lose the finals championship, has earned the right to return in tact with some tweaks/upgrades. it is incumbent on the staff to get the Nesmith and PP to another level, and to find more help for Al/Rob Yep, we need a deeper bench (or at least somebody that Ime trusts enough to play), it has been a brutally long and hard playoff ruyn, and the starters are tired...also think that Tatum's shoulder is hurting...
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Post by elvissurfs on Jun 14, 2022 10:28:29 GMT -5
Some possible bench depth?...
from another board...Bruce Brown, Nets, free agent, grew up in Boston...
"9 points and 2 assists on splits of 50/40/76 is fine for me. He's become an incredibly reliable corner shooter. It would depend on the cost - Brown for the MLE would be a good deal. He's a better rebounder, passer and perimeter defender than Grant, and he's a better rebounder and shooter than White. I don't think they're redundant - I just think our rotations can be better.
Smart (24) / Pritchard (14) / White (10) J. Brown (28) / White (15) / Smart (5) Tatum (30) / B. Brown (13) / J. Brown (5) Horford (24) / G. Williams (16) / Tatum (4) / B. Brown (4) R. Williams (24) / Theis (10) / G. Williams (10) / Horford (4)
Tatum: 34MPG Brown: 33MPG Smart: 29MPG Horford: 28MPG G. Williams: 26MPG White: 25MPG R. Williams: 24MPG B. Brown: 17MPG Pritchard: 14MPG Theis: 10MPG
I think such a rotation would be better for long playoff runs, as I think the wear and tear on our guys is pretty self-evident. Shorten the rotation come playoff time by cutting Theis out of it and making the minutes more top-heavy."
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Post by jdm894g on Jun 14, 2022 10:57:06 GMT -5
Keys to victory: 1) We need to see Smart more in the post. 2) Stop searching out mismatches and run the offense. 3) Drive and kick. 4) Drive with mean intentions, not looking for a foul.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 14, 2022 11:23:37 GMT -5
Do we know who's working with Scott Foster on Thursday yet??
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Post by cole on Jun 14, 2022 11:26:22 GMT -5
Some possible bench depth?... from another board...Bruce Brown, Nets, free agent, grew up in Boston... "9 points and 2 assists on splits of 50/40/76 is fine for me. He's become an incredibly reliable corner shooter. It would depend on the cost - Brown for the MLE would be a good deal. He's a better rebounder, passer and perimeter defender than Grant, and he's a better rebounder and shooter than White. I don't think they're redundant - I just think our rotations can be better. Smart (24) / Pritchard (14) / White (10) J. Brown (28) / White (15) / Smart (5) Tatum (30) / B. Brown (13) / J. Brown (5) Horford (24) / G. Williams (16) / Tatum (4) / B. Brown (4) R. Williams (24) / Theis (10) / G. Williams (10) / Horford (4) Tatum: 34MPG Brown: 33MPG Smart: 29MPG Horford: 28MPG G. Williams: 26MPG White: 25MPG R. Williams: 24MPG B. Brown: 17MPG Pritchard: 14MPG Theis: 10MPG I think such a rotation would be better for long playoff runs, as I think the wear and tear on our guys is pretty self-evident. Shorten the rotation come playoff time by cutting Theis out of it and making the minutes more top-heavy." I'm moving on from theis
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Post by elvissurfs on Jun 14, 2022 11:40:55 GMT -5
Do we know who's working with Scott Foster on Thursday yet?? Lol, I don't think they announce the referrees until the morning of the game...I like the idea of the Great Extender though...
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Post by elvissurfs on Jun 14, 2022 11:42:23 GMT -5
Some possible bench depth?... from another board...Bruce Brown, Nets, free agent, grew up in Boston... "9 points and 2 assists on splits of 50/40/76 is fine for me. He's become an incredibly reliable corner shooter. It would depend on the cost - Brown for the MLE would be a good deal. He's a better rebounder, passer and perimeter defender than Grant, and he's a better rebounder and shooter than White. I don't think they're redundant - I just think our rotations can be better. Smart (24) / Pritchard (14) / White (10) J. Brown (28) / White (15) / Smart (5) Tatum (30) / B. Brown (13) / J. Brown (5) Horford (24) / G. Williams (16) / Tatum (4) / B. Brown (4) R. Williams (24) / Theis (10) / G. Williams (10) / Horford (4) Tatum: 34MPG Brown: 33MPG Smart: 29MPG Horford: 28MPG G. Williams: 26MPG White: 25MPG R. Williams: 24MPG B. Brown: 17MPG Pritchard: 14MPG Theis: 10MPG I think such a rotation would be better for long playoff runs, as I think the wear and tear on our guys is pretty self-evident. Shorten the rotation come playoff time by cutting Theis out of it and making the minutes more top-heavy." I'm moving on from theis I believe he is under contract next year for about 9 million...going to be tough to move the contract considering our coach doesn't even consider him worthy of playing...
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 14, 2022 12:03:14 GMT -5
Some possible bench depth?... from another board...Bruce Brown, Nets, free agent, grew up in Boston... "9 points and 2 assists on splits of 50/40/76 is fine for me. He's become an incredibly reliable corner shooter. It would depend on the cost - Brown for the MLE would be a good deal. He's a better rebounder, passer and perimeter defender than Grant, and he's a better rebounder and shooter than White. I don't think they're redundant - I just think our rotations can be better. Smart (24) / Pritchard (14) / White (10) J. Brown (28) / White (15) / Smart (5) Tatum (30) / B. Brown (13) / J. Brown (5) Horford (24) / G. Williams (16) / Tatum (4) / B. Brown (4) R. Williams (24) / Theis (10) / G. Williams (10) / Horford (4) Tatum: 34MPG Brown: 33MPG Smart: 29MPG Horford: 28MPG G. Williams: 26MPG White: 25MPG R. Williams: 24MPG B. Brown: 17MPG Pritchard: 14MPG Theis: 10MPG I think such a rotation would be better for long playoff runs, as I think the wear and tear on our guys is pretty self-evident. Shorten the rotation come playoff time by cutting Theis out of it and making the minutes more top-heavy." I'm moving on from theis Theis and Brown for Beal and #10 pick use the pick on Mark Williams, Jalen Duren or even Nikola Jovic. Hope that Beal signs his extension and as becomes a true alpha here, with Tatum his #2. or NOT!
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Post by cole on Jun 14, 2022 12:57:51 GMT -5
Theis and Brown for Beal and #10 pick use the pick on Mark Williams, Jalen Duren or even Nikola Jovic. Hope that Beal signs his extension and as becomes a true alpha here, with Tatum his #2. or NOT! You lose a lot of d. Need to find a way to keep all 3. Maybe JT and Beal will make concessions to join
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Post by croc on Jun 14, 2022 13:20:34 GMT -5
Hopefully someone decides they want to come here and forces their way out.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 14, 2022 13:45:02 GMT -5
Hopefully someone decides they want to come here and forces their way out. I don't really like that part of the league. But it is not going to change, so we might as well take advantage of it
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Post by rkarp1 on Jun 14, 2022 13:45:41 GMT -5
Theis and Brown for Beal and #10 pick use the pick on Mark Williams, Jalen Duren or even Nikola Jovic. Hope that Beal signs his extension and as becomes a true alpha here, with Tatum his #2. or NOT! You lose a lot of d. Need to find a way to keep all 3. Maybe JT and Beal will make concessions to join yes agree. Brown is close to the equal of Beal offensively, but head and shoulders better defensively, and much younger and less costly I do not think Theis and Brown return Beal and #10...
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Post by croc on Jun 14, 2022 16:13:16 GMT -5
How desperate is Durant?
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Post by rkarp1 on Jun 14, 2022 16:33:17 GMT -5
for some reason, he does not bother me as much as LeFraud James and Cancer Irving
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Post by petey62 on Jun 14, 2022 16:42:37 GMT -5
I think the only untouchable Celtics player is Tatum. Any other Celtics player is tradable, including Brown. If Utah decides to keep Gobert, I'd send Brown to Utah for Donovan Mitchell (as principals in a trade).
I'd trade RWill for the right player. Robert Williams will suffer from knee issues for the remainder of his career. That's a fact. He'll need this offseason to heal (probably get another surgery) but with the wear and tear of the NBA season, RWill will have knee issues every season for the rest of his career. The Celtics will never know how many games he'll be able to play over the course of a season. I wonder what it would take to get Ayton out of PHX and to BOS. RWill and Smart to PHX for what???
Honestly, every time I see Horford pass out of the post to the 3-point line to Smart, I get more and more convinced that his $27M salary is not a worthwhile salary for us next year. He'll be 36 and he's already showing signs of slowing down. I'm not sure having him and RWill makes our interior better next season. Horford needs to be a backup and he'll make way too much money for that. We need a Marcus Morris Sr. type to play PF, not Horford.
If he's not traded this offseason, we need to move Smart to Sixth Man. He should be the first guy coming off the bench, not GWill or DWhite. We need a player who will check in and make an impact on the game and Smart will do that coming in first off the bench.
We need to fill out our roster with some veterans on Vet Min salaries. We need guys who can step in and start (Biyombo or Nic Batum or Terrance Mann type - I like the Clips roster as a place to pick up vet min guys). But we cannot rely on depth from the guys we have - hoping, hoping, hoping when all we'll get is inconsistent.
And we need a pure PG and a pure shooter WHO WILL PLAY MINUTES. Might be time to bring some of our Euro Stash players in to see if they're ready.
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Post by cole on Jun 14, 2022 17:01:51 GMT -5
I think the only untouchable Celtics player is Tatum. Any other Celtics player is tradable, including Brown. If Utah decides to keep Gobert, I'd send Brown to Utah for Donovan Mitchell (as principals in a trade). I'd trade RWill for the right player. Robert Williams will suffer from knee issues for the remainder of his career. That's a fact. He'll need this offseason to heal (probably get another surgery) but with the wear and tear of the NBA season, RWill will have knee issues every season for the rest of his career. The Celtics will never know how many games he'll be able to play over the course of a season. I wonder what it would take to get Ayton out of PHX and to BOS. RWill and Smart to PHX for what??? Honestly, every time I see Horford pass out of the post to the 3-point line to Smart, I get more and more convinced that his $27M salary is not a worthwhile salary for us next year. He'll be 36 and he's already showing signs of slowing down. I'm not sure having him and RWill makes our interior better next season. Horford needs to be a backup and he'll make way too much money for that. We need a Marcus Morris Sr. type to play PF, not Horford. If he's not traded this offseason, we need to move Smart to Sixth Man. He should be the first guy coming off the bench, not GWill or DWhite. We need a player who will check in and make an impact on the game and Smart will do that coming in first off the bench. We need to fill out our roster with some veterans on Vet Min salaries. We need guys who can step in and start (Biyombo or Nic Batum or Terrance Mann type - I like the Clips roster as a place to pick up vet min guys). But we cannot rely on depth from the guys we have - hoping, hoping, hoping when all we'll get is inconsistent. And we need a pure PG and a pure shooter WHO WILL PLAY MINUTES. Might be time to bring some of our Euro Stash players in to see if they're ready. I don't think anyone believes Horford is worth his salary, but better than kemba for sure.
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Post by sfbosfan on Jun 14, 2022 17:24:06 GMT -5
I think the only untouchable Celtics player is Tatum. Any other Celtics player is tradable, including Brown. If Utah decides to keep Gobert, I'd send Brown to Utah for Donovan Mitchell (as principals in a trade). I'd trade RWill for the right player. Robert Williams will suffer from knee issues for the remainder of his career. That's a fact. He'll need this offseason to heal (probably get another surgery) but with the wear and tear of the NBA season, RWill will have knee issues every season for the rest of his career. The Celtics will never know how many games he'll be able to play over the course of a season. I wonder what it would take to get Ayton out of PHX and to BOS. RWill and Smart to PHX for what??? Honestly, every time I see Horford pass out of the post to the 3-point line to Smart, I get more and more convinced that his $27M salary is not a worthwhile salary for us next year. He'll be 36 and he's already showing signs of slowing down. I'm not sure having him and RWill makes our interior better next season. Horford needs to be a backup and he'll make way too much money for that. We need a Marcus Morris Sr. type to play PF, not Horford. If he's not traded this offseason, we need to move Smart to Sixth Man. He should be the first guy coming off the bench, not GWill or DWhite. We need a player who will check in and make an impact on the game and Smart will do that coming in first off the bench. We need to fill out our roster with some veterans on Vet Min salaries. We need guys who can step in and start (Biyombo or Nic Batum or Terrance Mann type - I like the Clips roster as a place to pick up vet min guys). But we cannot rely on depth from the guys we have - hoping, hoping, hoping when all we'll get is inconsistent. And we need a pure PG and a pure shooter WHO WILL PLAY MINUTES. Might be time to bring some of our Euro Stash players in to see if they're ready. Good analysis. Theis did not play last game at all...is he hurt? He and Horford should be backups only and R. Williams, unfortunately, is too injury prone thus we do not have a real strong presence in the paint. Tatum & Brown are out 2 best scorers but they are erratic & very often do not score a lot together. Backup scorers are really inconsistent...Prichard, White, Nesmith, G. Williams etc. and I’d let all 4 go if we could get someone of value. Smart too is good/bad. GS has weak scoring from Curry, Klay & Green with but bench is better than ours & pick up the scoring. Curry record 1st time no 3 and he was 0-9 on 3s. But when we had TOs of 18 to 6, they had 12 more possessions for someone else to score & they did cash in for 22 points...Amen!
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Post by sfbosfan on Jun 14, 2022 17:42:16 GMT -5
Could we be p-ssed off enough to make Green eat his words?
Draymond Green had a warning for the Boston Celtics following Game 5 of the NBA Finals on Monday night.
Green thinks that Curry will take the bad game personally and be on a mission in Game 6.
“He was 0-for-9 from 3. He’s gonna be livid going into Game 6. That’s exactly what we need,” Green said after Game 5 on Monday night.
A livid Curry who needs to avenge a 0-for-9 game from three-point range? Shoot, that a is bad recipe for Boston in Game 6.
Who knows how many points Curry might have in Game 6. He scored 43 points in Game 4 and might be due for an even bigger performance on Thursday.
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Post by cole on Jun 14, 2022 17:58:13 GMT -5
Could we be p-ssed off enough to make Green eat his words? Draymond Green had a warning for the Boston Celtics following Game 5 of the NBA Finals on Monday night. Green thinks that Curry will take the bad game personally and be on a mission in Game 6. “He was 0-for-9 from 3. He’s gonna be livid going into Game 6. That’s exactly what we need,” Green said after Game 5 on Monday night. A livid Curry who needs to avenge a 0-for-9 game from three-point range? Shoot, that a is bad recipe for Boston in Game 6. Who knows how many points Curry might have in Game 6. He scored 43 points in Game 4 and might be due for an even bigger performance on Thursday. Curry shot his first five shots from an average of 30 feet. They were terrible shots he sometimes hits but I'll take those crazy logo pull-ups all night
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Post by rkarp1 on Jun 14, 2022 18:00:11 GMT -5
I think the only untouchable Celtics player is Tatum. Any other Celtics player is tradable, including Brown. If Utah decides to keep Gobert, I'd send Brown to Utah for Donovan Mitchell (as principals in a trade). I'd trade RWill for the right player. Robert Williams will suffer from knee issues for the remainder of his career. That's a fact. He'll need this offseason to heal (probably get another surgery) but with the wear and tear of the NBA season, RWill will have knee issues every season for the rest of his career. The Celtics will never know how many games he'll be able to play over the course of a season. I wonder what it would take to get Ayton out of PHX and to BOS. RWill and Smart to PHX for what??? Honestly, every time I see Horford pass out of the post to the 3-point line to Smart, I get more and more convinced that his $27M salary is not a worthwhile salary for us next year. He'll be 36 and he's already showing signs of slowing down. I'm not sure having him and RWill makes our interior better next season. Horford needs to be a backup and he'll make way too much money for that. We need a Marcus Morris Sr. type to play PF, not Horford. If he's not traded this offseason, we need to move Smart to Sixth Man. He should be the first guy coming off the bench, not GWill or DWhite. We need a player who will check in and make an impact on the game and Smart will do that coming in first off the bench. We need to fill out our roster with some veterans on Vet Min salaries. We need guys who can step in and start (Biyombo or Nic Batum or Terrance Mann type - I like the Clips roster as a place to pick up vet min guys). But we cannot rely on depth from the guys we have - hoping, hoping, hoping when all we'll get is inconsistent. And we need a pure PG and a pure shooter WHO WILL PLAY MINUTES. Might be time to bring some of our Euro Stash players in to see if they're ready. wow. this roster is 2 games away from being champions, yet you want to jettison everyone other than Tatum?
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