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Post by cole on May 26, 2022 10:37:34 GMT -5
There is clear evidence that JT is a superstar and the Admin won't admit it because it will make him the loser in the JT vs. JB debate. I understand why the Admin is giving me a hard time about JT. It's like Trump trying to scare the GOP into submission. But the majority here already declared JT a superstar. Does that mean the Admin will adhere to the truth? Of course not! Do please quit trying to use politics of the board to return fire with admin. Just asking as a fellow poster. You're picking at a scab. I value your basketball opinions but you're about to make an enemy of everyone with the politics.
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Post by fierce on May 26, 2022 10:42:35 GMT -5
There is clear evidence that JT is a superstar and the Admin won't admit it because it will make him the loser in the JT vs. JB debate. I understand why the Admin is giving me a hard time about JT. It's like Trump trying to scare the GOP into submission. But the majority here already declared JT a superstar. Does that mean the Admin will adhere to the truth? Of course not! Do please quit trying to use politics of the board to return fire with admin. Just asking as a fellow poster. You're picking at a scab. I value your basketball opinions but you're about to make an enemy of everyone with the politics. No problem. I'll stick with basketball.
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Post by cole on May 26, 2022 10:43:24 GMT -5
Do please quit trying to use politics of the board to return fire with admin. Just asking as a fellow poster. You're picking at a scab. I value your basketball opinions but you're about to make an enemy of everyone with the politics. No problem. I'll stick with basketball. I think you can hold your own without it
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Post by fierce on May 26, 2022 10:47:28 GMT -5
No problem. I'll stick with basketball. I think you can hold your own without it Yeah, but when the truth is blurred, it becomes a never ending debate.
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Post by fierce on May 26, 2022 10:55:10 GMT -5
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Post by Cabutan on May 26, 2022 10:56:55 GMT -5
I hope mavs win another one. These Cs need a few days rest No chance on that...Warriors will close it out tonight at home... dunno. Doncic is a beast
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Post by cole on May 26, 2022 10:56:56 GMT -5
Hard to argue with that one Also the numbers of games missed over the years. Jaylen had that one bad fall year 2
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Post by Cabutan on May 26, 2022 10:59:26 GMT -5
I was one of them i think. At least yesterday I was. But yea tatum decision making under pressure is a turnover waiting to happen. Can you blame Tatum for turning it over when he had 9 assists. He was passing the ball. JB had 4 turnovers, less than JT, but JB also only had 1 assist. JT was making the right passes, but it's also true he turned the ball over a lot. That's part of being an all-around player. I love the idea of tatum playing point forward. And he is doing better at it and he will continue to improve. It is one of those things that make doncic deadly. Glad he is doing it.
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Post by Admin on May 26, 2022 11:07:22 GMT -5
JB doesn't get the touches JT does and not based on ability as much as design to have JT set the table. And JB is usually defending the opponents best player unless Smart has that assignment. Now am I saying JT doesn't play defense? No but his defense the 2nd half of this season has taken a huge jump from where it was the 1st half and the last few years for sure.
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Post by fierce on May 26, 2022 11:25:45 GMT -5
JB doesn't get the touches JT does and not based on ability as much as design to have JT set the table. And JB is usually defending the opponents best player unless Smart has that assignment. Now am I saying JT doesn't play defense? No but his defense the 2nd half of this season has taken a huge jump from where it was the 1st half and the last few years for sure. That statement only proves that JT is the #1 option. And being the #1 option means you're the team's best player. So why would the #2 or #3 option get more touches than the #1 option? That won't make sense, right? I'm sure if JB is the superstar and JT is the All-Star, JB will get more touches.
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Post by quagmire on May 26, 2022 11:28:25 GMT -5
Well, I think I asked a question earlier in the thread, so I'll ask it again Right now, today, who would you rather have, Simmons (#1 pick), Ingram (#2) or Brown??? If it's today, Ingram goes #1, Brown #2, and Simmons #3. your way to stubborn! Ingram can’t carry Browns jock, Even after last night when JB sucked the first half! Simmons Isn’t even in the conversation till he gets back out on the court
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Post by kyceltic on May 26, 2022 11:29:54 GMT -5
No problem. I'll stick with basketball. I think you can hold your own without it Lol!
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Post by quagmire on May 26, 2022 11:32:58 GMT -5
Boston’s path to this moment has not been the idyllic storybook tale — at least not yet — but it has been awfully effective just the same. “The mental stress and strain we put on some teams with our defense has worked and carried us through the playoffs at times,” Udoka said. “You saw in the Brooklyn [Nets] series, guys started to wear down. Game 7, [Giannis] Antetokounmpo slowed down some. But having all those bodies to continue to throw at people wears down on them.” – via Brian Windhorst @ ESPN Ime Udoka, Boston Celtics
When all's said and done, it seems we here at BostonHomeCourt were right about Brad needing to be replaced.
Some argued that it was the players, not the coach but results say otherwise unless you really think Brad's GM moves were solely responsible for the turnaround.
Some here even argued for Ainge to step down. I felt he stopped being Trader Dan once his core was in place and refused to fill holes at any cost preferring to still get the better end of any trade leaving a playoff team wanting/needing deadline help and getting only the leftovers at discount prices.
While being skeptical of the Brad promotion to GM, I must admit he excelled where Ainge failed, making trades at any cost to fill the gapping holes he saw on a team he was intimately familiar with as the preceding head coach.
Some will say Brad's action made it happen and others will want to credit both Udoka & Stevens for the turnaround but while I've been on the fence wanting to give both credit, there's no denying that Udoka has gotten into this young team's head and gotten more from them than Brad could ever dream of ... Brad could scheme and draw up great plays but he was soft on dealing with the mental makeup of his players and did lose them in the end.
Ime Udoka takes it for me but Brad does deserve tons of credit for having the cajones to make the trades he made. In fact he has proven to have moar balls as a GM than he ever exerted as HC.
I think Brads best move has been selecting and hiring Ime! I remember a lot of folks had Chauncey Billups is their number one coaching pick. How’d that work out?!
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Post by kyceltic on May 26, 2022 11:34:07 GMT -5
I don't see any reason to rush Smart back for tomorrow's game! Rwill on the other hand needs to be on the court, even if he's only 50%! Too much of a game changer!
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Post by Cabutan on May 26, 2022 11:38:32 GMT -5
When all's said and done, it seems we here at BostonHomeCourt were right about Brad needing to be replaced.
Some argued that it was the players, not the coach but results say otherwise unless you really think Brad's GM moves were solely responsible for the turnaround.
Some here even argued for Ainge to step down. I felt he stopped being Trader Dan once his core was in place and refused to fill holes at any cost preferring to still get the better end of any trade leaving a playoff team wanting/needing deadline help and getting only the leftovers at discount prices.
While being skeptical of the Brad promotion to GM, I must admit he excelled where Ainge failed, making trades at any cost to fill the gapping holes he saw on a team he was intimately familiar with as the preceding head coach.
Some will say Brad's action made it happen and others will want to credit both Udoka & Stevens for the turnaround but while I've been on the fence wanting to give both credit, there's no denying that Udoka has gotten into this young team's head and gotten more from them than Brad could ever dream of ... Brad could scheme and draw up great plays but he was soft on dealing with the mental makeup of his players and did lose them in the end.
Ime Udoka takes it for me but Brad does deserve tons of credit for having the cajones to make the trades he made. In fact he has proven to have moar balls as a GM than he ever exerted as HC.
I think Brads best move has been selecting and hiring Ime! I remember a lot of folks had Chauncey Billups is their number one coaching pick. How’d that work out?! i agree. Ime all the way. Ime did what brad couldnt, make these guys work as a team. Make these guys value defense over anything else. He is really respected by his players.
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Post by fierce on May 26, 2022 11:40:24 GMT -5
If it's today, Ingram goes #1, Brown #2, and Simmons #3. your way to stubborn! Ingram can’t carry Browns jock, Even after last night when JB sucked the first half! Simmons Isn’t even in the conversation till he gets back out on the court I'll change my pick once JB makes better decisions with the ball. Right now Ingram is more polished. JB will eventually surpass Ingram. The question was who would you pick today. Today I pick Ingram. But I'm sure I'll have a different answer once JB takes better care of the ball.
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Post by fierce on May 26, 2022 11:47:18 GMT -5
JB is still learning how make the right plays.
He's surrounded by multiple defenders and he still tries to dribble past them. It usually ends with JB getting his pocket picked or he loses the ball.
But definitely JB has a higher ceiling than Brandon Ingram.
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 26, 2022 11:52:49 GMT -5
Does it really matter if it's Batman and Robin or Robin and Batman? One can be Batman in Game 1, and one can be Batman in Game 2. We are LUCKY Ainge is such a great evaluator of talent.................
Brown had better statistics in everything but assists this year, including PER, over Ingram. AND Jaylen defends.
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 26, 2022 11:53:05 GMT -5
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Post by fierce on May 26, 2022 11:57:37 GMT -5
Does it really matter if it's Batman and Robin or Robin and Batman? One can be Batman in Game 1, and one can be Batman in Game 2. We are LUCKY Ainge is such a great evaluator of talent................. Brown had better statistics in everything but assists this year, including PER, over Ingram. AND Jaylen defends. True. But the assists is a big deal because like I said, Ingram is more polished. You don't see Ingram commit the mistakes that Jaylen commits. It's just a case of Ingram being a more complete player right now. Ingram's 5.6 assists per game is high for a wing player.
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Post by Cabutan on May 26, 2022 11:59:07 GMT -5
Does it really matter if it's Batman and Robin or Robin and Batman? One can be Batman in Game 1, and one can be Batman in Game 2. We are LUCKY Ainge is such a great evaluator of talent................. Brown had better statistics in everything but assists this year, including PER, over Ingram. AND Jaylen defends. we are lucky to have them both. And we are lucky to have them both finally in the same page. That second statement I atribute to Ime. Imagine this team next year healthy. Kinda scary. They have been together for a while including Horford.
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Post by cole on May 26, 2022 12:01:25 GMT -5
Does it really matter if it's Batman and Robin or Robin and Batman? One can be Batman in Game 1, and one can be Batman in Game 2. We are LUCKY Ainge is such a great evaluator of talent................. Brown had better statistics in everything but assists this year, including PER, over Ingram. AND Jaylen defends. we are lucky to have them both. And we are lucky to have them both finally in the same page. That second statement I atribute to Ime. Imagine this team next year healthy. Kinda scary. They have been together for a while including Horford. Yet do we dare roll into next year with rwill, al, and theis?
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Post by Admin on May 26, 2022 12:02:25 GMT -5
JB doesn't get the touches JT does and not based on ability as much as design to have JT set the table. And JB is usually defending the opponents best player unless Smart has that assignment. Now am I saying JT doesn't play defense? No but his defense the 2nd half of this season has taken a huge jump from where it was the 1st half and the last few years for sure. That statement only proves that JT is the #1 option. And being the #1 option means you're the team's best player. So why would the #2 or #3 option get more touches than the #1 option? That won't make sense, right? I'm sure if JB is the superstar and JT is the All-Star, JB will get more touches. As I said, "by design." If JB were the #1 go to guy he'd have much stronger numbers and he'd learn to take advantage of that role by being a better handler & distributor. That's all he's missing to replace JT and it could be developed given time or reps.
I don't see why you have a problem with my opinion. In deed, Tatum is our team's superstar but in the NBA he isn't quite there yet ... that's my point so stop saying I'm miss-stating facts or denying you your opinion. I don't like your repetitive BS as if you're trying to brainwash this forum with your opinions. Stating your feelings once or a couple of times is fine but inundating these pages over & over is intolerable and at some point I will start deleting those posts ... that is all.
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Post by fierce on May 26, 2022 12:05:51 GMT -5
That statement only proves that JT is the #1 option. And being the #1 option means you're the team's best player. So why would the #2 or #3 option get more touches than the #1 option? That won't make sense, right? I'm sure if JB is the superstar and JT is the All-Star, JB will get more touches. As I said, "by design." If JB were the #1 go to guy he'd have much stronger numbers and he'd learn to take advantage of that role by being a better handler & distributor. That's all he's missing to replace JT and it could be developed given time or reps.
I don't see why you have a problem with my opinion. In deed, Tatum is our team's superstar but in the NBA he isn't quite there yet ... that's my point so stop saying I'm miss-stating facts or denying you your opinion. I don't like your repetitive BS as if you're trying to brainwash this forum with your opinions. Stating your feelings once or a couple of times is fine but inundating these pages over & over is intolerable and at some point I will start deleting those posts ... that is all.
Give me one name of an NBA player who made 1st team All-NBA who's not a superstar. I dare you!
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Post by Admin on May 26, 2022 12:09:35 GMT -5
Booker is borderline in my opinion as much as I like him as much as JB ... Just as you don't think JB is ALL-NBA material, I wonder why Booker is and JB isn't.
In 2016, do you think DeAdre Jordan (LAC) was the best center?
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