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Post by fierce on Apr 23, 2022 21:58:15 GMT -5
It was not so long ago that we were told by the new guy that Tatum and Brown are not on the same level as KD and Kyrie and that Tatum and Brown would have no shot against KD and Kyrie in the playoffs.
What a difference a year makes.
You guys still think Tatum and Brown are not legit NBA superstars?
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Post by elvissurfs on Apr 23, 2022 22:01:28 GMT -5
Rob got 16 mins ... 1-1 with a block ... just easing him back in ... nothing too demanding. Another 15 mins in game 4 and if we sweep he can keep the rehab going till Round 2 I would play him five and call it good...
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2022 22:03:06 GMT -5
Note to Petey: Just heard that Kyrie isn't the only one fasting in this series ... Jaylen Brown is also and he looks fine! Maybe Kyrie is out of shape taking half the season off with his stand on vaccinations ... ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Sure, it's his right to make that call but at the expense of his conditioning and putting his team in a bad place. Listening to KD's presser while I post this and man does he sound dejected ... he must feel like the only soldier in his army and out-manned 2 or 3 to 1.
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Post by elvissurfs on Apr 23, 2022 22:03:29 GMT -5
It was not so long ago that we were told by the new guy that Tatum and Brown are not on the same level as KD and Kyrie and that Tatum and Brown would have no shot against KD and Kyrie in the playoffs. What a difference a year makes. You guys still think Tatum and Brown are not legit NBA superstars? I am a bit surprised how bigtime Tatum has become, so quickly...was starting to think Brown might surpass him...
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2022 22:04:18 GMT -5
It was not so long ago that we were told by the new guy that Tatum and Brown are not on the same level as KD and Kyrie and that Tatum and Brown would have no shot against KD and Kyrie in the playoffs. What a difference a year makes. You guys still think Tatum and Brown are not legit NBA superstars?
Do you still think that Brown is the odd man out and needs to be traded?
You were blowing that horn a LONG time!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by fierce on Apr 23, 2022 22:05:14 GMT -5
It was not so long ago that we were told by the new guy that Tatum and Brown are not on the same level as KD and Kyrie and that Tatum and Brown would have no shot against KD and Kyrie in the playoffs. What a difference a year makes. You guys still think Tatum and Brown are not legit NBA superstars? I am a bit surprised how bigtime Tatum has become, so quickly...was starting to think Brown might surpass him... It's not only you, there were really a number of posters here who thought Brown would end up better than Tatum.
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Post by fierce on Apr 23, 2022 22:07:20 GMT -5
It was not so long ago that we were told by the new guy that Tatum and Brown are not on the same level as KD and Kyrie and that Tatum and Brown would have no shot against KD and Kyrie in the playoffs. What a difference a year makes. You guys still think Tatum and Brown are not legit NBA superstars?
Do you still think that Brown is the odd man out and needs to be traded?
You were blowing that horn a LONG time!!!!!!!!!!!
Correction, I only wanted Brown traded when it was rumored that he was asking for a max contract. After Ainge signed Brown for a price below the market price, I never wanted Brown traded anymore. Remember, I wanted Jaylen Brown traded for Bradley Beal. That was before Brown signed his extension.
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2022 22:22:11 GMT -5
No, before that you said that Brown & Hayward couldn't co-exist and we'd get more by trading Jaylen ... REMEMBER THAT?
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 23, 2022 22:30:07 GMT -5
Missed it. Will replay this one. Happy we won. Loving thisteam
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2022 22:30:11 GMT -5
You remember this post about replacing Brad?
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Post by fierce on Apr 23, 2022 22:32:09 GMT -5
No, before that you said that Brown & Hayward couldn't co-exist and we'd get more by trading Jaylen ... REMEMBER THAT? True. But Hayward opted to leave. So there's that. Besides, the only disagreement we have about Jaylen is you thought he would end up becoming a better player than Jayson Tatum. I'm a believer in Jaylen Brown now. But he will always be Robin and Tatum will always be Batman.
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 23, 2022 22:33:29 GMT -5
Maybe NJ should have lost in the play in to meet with miami!! 🤣
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Post by fierce on Apr 23, 2022 22:33:53 GMT -5
You remember this post about replacing Brad? I don't think Ime Udoka is better than Brad Stevens as a coach. It's just unfortunate that players listen Udoka and players tuned out Brad Stevens.
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 23, 2022 22:37:51 GMT -5
You remember this post about replacing Brad? I don't think Ime Udoka is better than Brad Stevens as a coach. It's just unfortunate that players listen Udoka and players tuned out Brad Stevens. oh no. You cant be serious. If the one can make players listen, it instantly means he is a better coach. If it nmakes players buy into playing as a team, it means he is a better coach. If the coach can make them play one of the best defense since the 80s, it means he is a better coach. Cant deny that at all.
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Post by fierce on Apr 23, 2022 22:45:36 GMT -5
I don't think Ime Udoka is better than Brad Stevens as a coach. It's just unfortunate that players listen Udoka and players tuned out Brad Stevens. oh no. You cant be serious. If the one can make players listen, it instantly means he is a better coach. If it nmakes players buy into playing as a team, it means he is a better coach. If the coach can make them play one of the best defense since the 80s, it means he is a better coach. Cant deny that at all. True. What I mean is when it comes to X's and O's, Stevens is better. But in the end who gets the best out of his players will end up being the better coach. So yeah, in the end Udoka will end up becoming a better coach than Brad. Right now Udoka needs to improve coaching on offense.
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2022 23:39:25 GMT -5
No, before that you said that Brown & Hayward couldn't co-exist and we'd get more by trading Jaylen ... REMEMBER THAT? True. But Hayward opted to leave. So there's that. Besides, the only disagreement we have about Jaylen is you thought he would end up becoming a better player than Jayson Tatum. I'm a believer in Jaylen Brown now. But he will always be Robin and Tatum will always be Batman.
First it was this:
then when you realized how good Brown was you switched off to either Hayward or Smart must be traded ...
Of course in the end both Rozier and Hayward ended up traded ...
You also hammered the table for a Big after losing Horford and we agreed but you wanted Thompson or Drummond and we've seen them fail ... one here and the other in a few places. Drummond had some success with the Nets but he surely wouldn't have worked in 2020 with our deer running the court and he couldn't defend laterally or the perimeter like Theis, Horford & Grant. That siad, I still want another big PF or PF/C.
I also like Nets FA Brown (Boston native) ... he's a better G/F than White and a lot cheaper with a better offensive game. Get Brown and trade White for that PF/C!
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Post by kdp59 on Apr 24, 2022 6:40:03 GMT -5
came here to delight in another surprising playoff win over the media hyped Nets and I read about old battles/disses from the past here.
You guys are funny sometimes (not in a good way).
But, WHAT A GAME!!
go out there next game and tear their hearts out early and watch the nets fold again. Maybe Irving can find the edge of the earth and jump off afterwards too!!
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Post by croc on Apr 24, 2022 6:46:13 GMT -5
Ime has turned us in to a physical team! What a job he's done this year! Brad Stevens had a bit to do with that...brought in Horford, Theis, Derek White...elevated Smart to starting guard by jettisoning every other guard we had other than Pritchard... Brad also believed in RWill. Horford and Theis were both "baggage" used to achieve goals. Nice baggage, very similar to Mike Lowell with the Sox several years ago. Ime got them all to buy in, that seems like a miracle. Suddenly all the pieces fit together rather than being a hodgepodge. RWill played okay last night, I hope his knee responds well. We won't know how well until today. ...Simmons could blow up in a very bad way in game 4. If I were BKN I'd get him geared up for 2023, which will probably be a very different team. Very possibly without the Idiot Shaman.
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Post by puddin on Apr 24, 2022 6:57:31 GMT -5
Listen to Perk, Scal and EHouse.....!!!
Pud
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Post by puddin on Apr 24, 2022 7:18:47 GMT -5
washingtonpost.com With playoff hopes in balance, Nets fall flat again against Celtics Ben Golliver 7-8 minutes
NEW YORK — As a general rule, playing with too much energy early in a must-win game is better than playing with not enough.
Too much energy suggests a frantic desire to win; not enough hints at indifference. Too much energy can dissipate as the contest unfolds; not enough can seep into a team’s crevices like red wine on carpet.
If ever there was a night for the Brooklyn Nets to come out with urgency, it was Saturday. Trailing the Boston Celtics 2-0 in their first-round series, Kevin Durant and Co. should have been desperate. Instead, they were a flat mess for much of the first quarter, unable to conjure the offensive rhythm and flow that made them preseason title favorites. It never got better in a 109-103 loss.
The Nets committed 21 turnovers by night’s end, and these were lackadaisical mistakes from a team with players who don’t know each other well enough to pull together when facing a crisis. Brooklyn’s first-half miscues included a pair of 24-second shot clock violations, a careless inbounds pass by Kyrie Irving and an ill-conceived lob pass from Goran Dragic to Andre Drummond, which ended with the center batting the ball backward over his head for another turnover. On the other end, Brooklyn let Boston guard Jaylen Brown come free for an open dunk on a back cut and repeatedly lost track of shooters.
The Celtics built a 12-point lead early in the second quarter and held on for the comfortable victory at Barclays Center, seizing a 3-0 series lead and setting up a possible sweep in Game 4 on Monday.
After a pair of hard-fought losses by the Nets in Boston’s TD Garden this week, Brooklyn Coach Steve Nash had a clear understanding of the biggest difference between these two teams: shared experience. The Celtics rolled into the playoffs as the East’s second seed, and their core group has moved in sync thanks to its past postseason trips. By contrast, the reshaped Nets were still figuring each other out: Durant and Irving sought their own offense in isolation situations, while newcomers such as Dragic, Drummond and Seth Curry often have looked like seat-fillers at an awards show.
“We started the season with one group,” Nash said before Game 3. “We had a major trade. We’ve had a few guys released. We’ve had Kyrie’s absence for much of the season. We had Kevin being out for five weeks. We’ve had very few pockets with everyone able to play. It’s probably 10 to 12 games if you add it all up. That’s part of our challenge: trying to find some continuity.”
The fact that continuity continued to prove elusive was unsurprising, but the assumption all along was that Brooklyn’s stars would rise to the moment. Instead, the change of venue didn’t change the Nets’ fortunes.
Irving’s solo act drew only occasional oohs and aahs, and he inexplicably found himself in foul trouble. Meanwhile, a strangely passive Durant struggled to free himself from Boston’s defense for the third straight game. Nash suggested fatigue could be a factor for both Irving, who is fasting for Ramadan, and Durant, who dealt with an especially heavy workload down the stretch of the regular season.
“You could put it on me,” said Irving, who finished with 16 points on 6-for-17 shooting and nine assists. “In terms of playing better, controlling the game better, controlling our possessions, being more in a [defensive] stance, not turning the ball over as much.”
Durant went down fighting in last year’s playoffs, heroically carrying Brooklyn to a Game 7 against the Milwaukee Bucks in the second round despite injuries to Irving and James Harden. In this series, he has been a bystander rather than a driving force.
After scoring 23 points on 24 shots in Game 1 and shooting 4 for 17 in Game 2, Durant finished with 16 points on 6-for-11 shooting and didn’t attempt a free throw until the 5:35 mark of the fourth quarter. For the third consecutive game, the 2014 MVP was outplayed by Boston’s Jayson Tatum, who scored a game-high 39 points, received scattered “M-V-P” chants from traveling Celtics fans and capped the win with a breakaway dunk in the closing seconds.
“I’m just thinking too much, to be honest,” said Durant, who credited Boston’s size for making life difficult on Brooklyn. “I try to figure out how to be the best version of myself and also not get in my teammates’ way. Sometimes I think too much about it. Sometimes I need to go out there with no thoughts in my head and just play.”
The Celtics, who have been arguably the most impressive team in the playoffs, welcomed back forward Robert Williams III following surgery to repair a torn meniscus in his left knee. Williams logged 16 minutes off the bench, moving well in his first action since March 27.
Looking for a spark of his own, Nash turned to Blake Griffin in the third quarter for his first action since April 2. Within minutes, Griffin tossed a lazy pass on the perimeter that Brown returned the other way for an uncontested dunk.
With Irving sitting for an extended stretch of the fourth quarter with five fouls, Griffin drilled back-to-back three-pointers to briefly lift Brooklyn’s spirits. But Brown responded with a flurry, scoring eight of his 23 points in a two-minute stretch to stave off the rally attempt.
“Our attention to detail needs to go up,” Griffin said. “That’s for everybody. We all need to take a look in the mirror. That first game at home, your spirit has got to be high. We didn’t have the right spirit throughout the entire game.”
The Barclays Center crowd watched the Nets roll over in stunned silence, perhaps exhausted by a roller-coaster season filled with Irving’s drama, a midseason trade of Harden and a seemingly endless wait for Ben Simmons to make his debut after dealing with a back injury.
Nash said Simmons went through a three-on-three workout Saturday without suffering a setback, and the three-time all-star forward took the court for a pregame workout that was heavy on passing and light on shooting. While Simmons is reportedly eyeing a Game 4 return, Nash remained noncommittal.
“It’s possible,” Nash said. “I’m not sure. It’s not a normal return to play. There’s a lot of bigger picture and bigger context to how he’s feeling, how able he would be to adapt to the environment. It’s a little different than playing a game that’s stashed away during the middle of the regular season.”
That line of thinking makes some sense: Throwing Simmons, who has a spotty postseason track record, into a high-pressure playoff environment for his first action since June would be a risk. Then again, the Nets approached their first home game of the playoffs as if it was a random night of the regular season, so maybe Simmons has nothing to worry about after all.
“It’s about our character now,” Nash said. “Digging deep and having pride.”
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 24, 2022 7:18:51 GMT -5
Just saw the replay. Two observations since we are talking JB and JT and brad vs Ime.
1. It was JB who took over the game in the 3rd and 4th. Period. Not Tatum, JB.
2. Ime is constantly coaching vs passive Brad. In some ocassions, Ime sets the play and even tells the guys where to go right there at the moment. Alot of hand movement and sign language there. Is like a baseball coach. Pretty different from Brad stagnant, no offensive sets etc.
Love the win. The nets look defeated as if they have no answer. If its not JB or JT, it will be someone else punching them. We are a very very difficult team.
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Post by elvissurfs on Apr 24, 2022 8:33:06 GMT -5
came here to delight in another surprising playoff win over the media hyped Nets and I read about old battles/disses from the past here.You guys are funny sometimes (not in a good way). But, WHAT A GAME!! go out there next game and tear their hearts out early and watch the nets fold again. Maybe Irving can find the edge of the earth and jump off afterwards too!! Agree...let's talk about the present and the future...good to see Fierce back...go Celtics...
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 24, 2022 8:36:18 GMT -5
Ime is great rwading matchups. He knew JB was getting all the mismatches and he ran with it.
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 24, 2022 8:37:12 GMT -5
The earlier we close the series, the more rest Rob gets
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Post by Cabutan on Apr 24, 2022 8:38:47 GMT -5
Can we say Ime COY and Brad GM of the year??
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