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Post by croc on Jun 20, 2022 9:02:42 GMT -5
And see I think Brad took the job as a landing but probably wants to coach.
Is indy available? Brad would probably like to see himself on a winning team but the league may see him as a developmental guy
Even if that's what he wants, the last thing I'd go is go back to my old boss. He signed a 5 year deal last August after being promoted. ... It (the report) still seems weak. Developing talent seems to be his strong suit as a coach. But, he did a very good job with the roster last season. Maybe it wasn't perfect, but very good.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 20, 2022 9:07:44 GMT -5
Even the piece said not likely, which I agree with.
IMO, IF Stevens ever wants to get back into coaching I think it'll be with college myself.
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Post by cole on Jun 20, 2022 9:11:04 GMT -5
Even the piece said not likely, which I agree with. IMO, IF Stevens ever wants to get back into coaching I think it'll be with college myself. I could see it
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 20, 2022 10:06:43 GMT -5
Veteran forward Jeff Green exercised his $4.5M player option to return to the Denver Nuggets next season, sources told ESPN. Glad were not opening up a old folks home,, trade Theis for him! well, if Udoka would play him that is. Actually I had touted Green as a trade get at the deadline over Theis. Mostly because Green does some of the same things as Grant and probably better. Actually makes about the same money this next year too. he would be almost as old as Al though. Green i'll take over Grant but we need someone who can run We're much better when we are fast breaking. Running a set offense without a true PG usually fails On Timmy leaving...Next year if we don't improve or fail to make the finals ..His watch will be set in Central Time... Don't think Utah cottons to him and my prediction he wouldn't hang a banner as a NBA coach was spot on
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Post by Admin on Jun 20, 2022 16:55:30 GMT -5
I told ya so ... and for once, time is of the essence so unlike the Ainge years of dragging ones feet, Brad will be looking to do something with the $17mm TPE quickly. hardwoodhoudini.com/2022/06/20/boston-celtics-rumors-tpe-draft-week/With the Cs not being subjected to the luxury tax following the 2021-22 season–the bonuses for Boston’s roster ended up falling below the $136.6. million threshold–the Cs have avoided the repeat offender tax.
Thus, Stevens has the green light to be aggressive this offseason in getting the Celtics over the hump without worrying about paying an excessive tax bill. Trading the Fournier/Schroder/Hernangomez TPEs for extra salary, and extra luxury taxes, is the best way to make good on that freedom.
What Celtics trade exceptions signal about Stevens ability to shape Boston’s offseason | Brian Robb
While the Celtics will have some money to spend in free agency with their taxpayer mid-level exception (just above $6 million), they can address multiple parts of their roster with these TPEs without necessarily giving up players to get a deal done. A trade exception allows Brad Stevens to deal future draft picks for a player without having to match the money per usual NBA trade rules if the player’s salary fits into an exception. Creating and using TPEs to add talent has been a huge tool over the years for capped-out teams to remain in contention, something that happened plenty in the past decade with the Cavs and Heat.
We’ll be dissecting all of the player possibilities for these TPEs in the days to come here at MassLive but one essential part of Boston’s biggest TPE weapon ($17.1 million) that bears watching is the timeline Boston must use it on. Traded player exceptions have a one-year expiration date from when they were first created and while the Schroder and Hernangomez TPEs could be used during the 2022-23 season since they don’t expire until 2023, the Fournier deal was completed last offseason. That means Boston’s biggest TPE weapon will go away for good on July 18th if it’s so unused by then.
That reality along with a likely willingness by team ownership per league sources to significantly expand Boston’s payroll for next season will place a greater sense of urgency on the offseason for Boston’s front office in the next few weeks.
The Celtics will need to be aggressive on the trade front, particularly during draft week and in the lead up to free agency to find a potential worthy fit within that price range. Other teams will know that the Celtics are working against a timeline and could hold it against them in negotiations if any trade talks extend closer to July 18 for use of the Fournier TPE since it’s a use it or lose it situation for Boston.
The Celtics are also limited in trading for players that are currently under contract with the TPE so a sign-and-trade scenario in free agency won’t be useful for them. Boston’s already flirting with the hard cap ($151 million) with their current projected payroll and league sources tell MassLive that triggering the hard cap this offseason is a non-starter for Boston since it would hamper the team’s flexibility and spending into the luxury tax.
The bottom line? The Celtics can get creative with these team-building tools this offseason but time is of the essence for their most impactful weapon. Draft week is one of the NBA’s biggest trade windows of the year so don’t be surprised if Boston gets into the action sooner rather than later as they try to ensure they can remain a top contender in the East.
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 20, 2022 17:58:20 GMT -5
ah yes you are outfront on this.
Two questions.
Per article
''A trade exception allows Brad Stevens to deal future draft picks for a player '''
Can we trade away ists in back to back years?
Wouldn't it be smarter cap wise to add a rookie instead and avoid a high paying vet long term?
One more.
Got any confidence in Timmy finding a diamond in the rough like other teams have done?
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Post by Admin on Jun 20, 2022 18:42:05 GMT -5
Free Agents in 2023 gives C's 1 season under the TPE to negotiate a new contract or in the case of RFA's an extra year at the QO or matching any potential offers rec'd if unable to work out a new contract mutually. Club options in 2023 are a bonus while Player Options risk seeing that player go to another team or locale he prefers. I've only tagged 3 players with PO's in 2023 earning around $13mm each as worthy TPE candidates: Kyle Kuzma Jordan Clarkson Josh Hart These ballers are UFA in 2023 hence giving us one season to integrate and resign them if they are a good fit:
Here are some RFA this summer that can be negotiated with or play under the QO for a season (ala Fournier) before becoming a UFA next season:
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Post by cole on Jun 20, 2022 18:57:17 GMT -5
Free Agents in 2023 gives C's 1 season under the TPE to negotiate a new contract or in the case of RFA's an extra year at the QO or matching any potential offers rec'd if unable to work out a new contract mutually. Club options in 2023 are a bonus while Player Options risk seeing that player go to another team or local he prefers. I've only tagged 3 players with PO's in 2023 earning around $13mm each as worthy TPE candidates: Kyle Kuzma Jordan Clarkson Josh Hart These ballers are UFA in 2023 hence giving us one season to integrate and resign them if they are a good fit: Here are some RFA this summer that can be negotiated with or play under the QO for a season (ala Fournier) before becoming a UFA next season:
If only greenie were around to see the day Clarkson helped us win #18
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Post by Admin on Jun 20, 2022 19:27:33 GMT -5
ah yes you are outfront on this. Two questions. Per article ''A trade exception allows Brad Stevens to deal future draft picks for a player ''' Can we trade away ists in back to back years? Wouldn't it be smarter cap wise to add a rookie instead and avoid a high paying vet long term? One more. Got any confidence in Timmy finding a diamond in the rough like other teams have done?
No, we just gave up our 2022 FRDP so we can trade 2024 and 2026 unless we add another 1st from trading an existing contract for one.
Rookies won't get any playing time from Ime unless it's a top 5 pick able to play right away. That's not likely unless we give up a rotation player or better.
I think Timmy has a better chance at getting lucky than Ainge. Danny was good picking in the lottery but he wasn't really great from the middle of the 1st on down ... he depended on quantity to hit 1 or 2 descent players but he never found that true diamond.
I think when using the TPE's you are looking for a team wanting cap space rather than a player back and the TPE is designed to be used with draft picks since it can't be combined with other contracts. The team wanting cap space is usually happy to get a large TPE and another asset (late 1st, a 2nd or sometimes 2 2nds ) in the deal. Now if the player providing the cap space is a near all-star then a FRDP may be in order but how far out will a team go for a FRDP to satisfy the rules depends on what else is out there being offered. Does the competition have a TPE large enough to swallow the contract being jettisoned even though they may have additional picks at their disposal including 1st/s.
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Post by cole on Jun 20, 2022 19:38:07 GMT -5
ah yes you are outfront on this. Two questions. Per article ''A trade exception allows Brad Stevens to deal future draft picks for a player ''' Can we trade away ists in back to back years? Wouldn't it be smarter cap wise to add a rookie instead and avoid a high paying vet long term? One more. Got any confidence in Timmy finding a diamond in the rough like other teams have done?
No, we just gave up our 2022 FRDP so we can trade 2024 and 2026 unless we add another 1st from trading an existing contract for one.
Rookies won't get any playing time from Ime unless it's a top 5 pick able to play right away. That's not likely unless we give up a rotation player or better.
I think Timmy has a better chance at getting lucky than Ainge. Danny was good picking in the lottery but he wasn't really great from the middle of the 1st on down ... he depended on quantity to hit 1 or 2 descent players but he never found that true diamond.
I think when using the TPE's you are looking for a team wanting cap space rather than a player back and the TPE is designed to be used with draft picks since it can't be combined with other contracts. The team wanting cap space is usually happy to get a large TPE and another asset (late 1st, a 2nd or sometimes 2 2nds ) in the deal. Now if the player providing the cap space is a near all-star then a FRDP may be in order but how far out will a team go for a FRDP to satisfy the rules depends on what else is out there being offered. Does the competition have a TPE large enough to swallow the contract being jettisoned even though they may have additional picks at their disposal including 1st/s.
What one did we trade for white? Thought it was 26 2022 given and 2028 swap Did we give one in the Horford trade? A different 2022?
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Post by Admin on Jun 20, 2022 20:52:58 GMT -5
Bamba, Bridges, Kuzma, Hart, J Holiday, Connaughton, Ross, Lopez, Beverly, JaMychal Green and Mills, Portis & Batum all look doable though those last three have PO's that will need to be traded for under the threat of opting out and then excercising their player option once traded. The player, agent and current team would all have to be on the same page for this to happen so those 3 are a long shot.
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Post by Admin on Jun 20, 2022 21:00:55 GMT -5
No, we just gave up our 2022 FRDP so we can trade 2024 and 2026 unless we add another 1st from trading an existing contract for one.
Rookies won't get any playing time from Ime unless it's a top 5 pick able to play right away. That's not likely unless we give up a rotation player or better.
I think Timmy has a better chance at getting lucky than Ainge. Danny was good picking in the lottery but he wasn't really great from the middle of the 1st on down ... he depended on quantity to hit 1 or 2 descent players but he never found that true diamond.
I think when using the TPE's you are looking for a team wanting cap space rather than a player back and the TPE is designed to be used with draft picks since it can't be combined with other contracts. The team wanting cap space is usually happy to get a large TPE and another asset (late 1st, a 2nd or sometimes 2 2nds ) in the deal. Now if the player providing the cap space is a near all-star then a FRDP may be in order but how far out will a team go for a FRDP to satisfy the rules depends on what else is out there being offered. Does the competition have a TPE large enough to swallow the contract being jettisoned even though they may have additional picks at their disposal including 1st/s.
What one did we trade for white? Thought it was 26 2022 given and 2028 swap Did we give one in the Horford trade? A different 2022? 2022 went for White ... for Al we gave up our 2021 but for some reason the NBA didn't count FRDPs due to Covid
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Post by croc on Jun 21, 2022 3:54:06 GMT -5
The draft pick dance per Karalis:
2022: Second round pick (#53)
2023-2027: Celtics own all their own first round picks
2023: Second round draft pick incoming from Houston, Dallas or Miami (It’s complicated. They're getting a second rounder from one of these teams but which one depends on too much to explain)
2023: Second round draft pick incoming from Portland.
2023: Second round draft pick outgoing to Charlotte or Washington.
2024: Second round draft pick outgoing to Charlotte.
2025: Second round draft pick outgoing to Oklahoma City or Orlando.
2026: Second round draft pick outgoing to Memphis.
2027: Second round draft pick outgoing to Orlando
2028: San Antonio owns right to swap first round picks (Derrick White trade)
2028: Second round draft pick outgoing to Orlando.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 21, 2022 7:26:20 GMT -5
Caldwell-Pope would be like getting a better shooting Josh Richardson back. IF the owners are willing to use that Fournier TPE.
expiring deal and we'd have his bird rights through trade.
full salary guaranteed on 6/28 ( about $5M partial now).
IF Beal returns to Washington, they may be willing to move Pope, if Beal leaves I doubt they will for a future first.
T. Ross is another that could be moved (been talk of that for what two years now?), But when I look at his numbers they seem to be declining.
Justin Holiday is the guy I've talked about at Sacramento now. at $6.3M expiring may allow the Celtics to use the MLE for another player also, again IF the owners are willing to spend.
a note: the Kings do have a TPE that they could take back Nesmith's deal as well in a move instead of draft capital , for Holliday. IN fact I would argue a Nesmith for Holiday should bring Boston back a future second round pick but a straight up deal would be more likely I suppose.
IN the end trying to get Holiday ( a wing scorer) and someone like J. Smith, O. Porter. T. Prince or even C. Boucher with the MLE would probably be a good off-season to ad depth. actually I forgot about Hartenstein from the Clippers for that MLE., IF he can play in Udokas defense, he might be a better option for the MLE there.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 21, 2022 9:33:16 GMT -5
Owners say spend, spend and spend some more option:
Trade #1
Boston sends D. Theis (8.69M) and a future first to the Clippers for Marcus Morris ( 16.37M).
Both players fit into TPE’s on both teams
Trade #2
Boston sends two second round picks to Sacramento for Justin Holiday (6.3M)
MLE ($6.4M) Boston signs Chris Boucher from Toronto to a 3 years deal with the MLE.
Other vet minimum signings:
Denzel Valentine- $2.6M
Tacko Fall- $2.0M
The roster:
Bigs
Rob Williams - $10.9M
A.Horford- $26.5M
Marcus Morris- $16.3M Trade
Grant Williams- $4.3M
Chris Boucher- $6.3M (MLE)
Tacko Fall- $2M (Vet minimum)
Wings
J. Tatum- $30.3M
J. Brown- $28.0M
Justin Holiday- $6.3M (trade)
A. Nesmith- $3.8M
D. Valentine- $2.6M (vet min FA)
S. Hauser- $1.56M
Ball Handlers
M. Smart- $17.2M
D. White- $16.9M
P. Pritchard- $2.2M
Total salary $176M
Probable tax payments in the $35-40M range
open up those wallets moneybags!
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 21, 2022 11:56:08 GMT -5
something to damper any talk about Brogdon coming to Boston.
“I think [Malcolm] Brogdon is likely also to move this week…Teams who don’t get up to number 4 to get [Jaden] Ivey, I think Brogdon is a real interest to them. I think especially Washington as they look to sign Bradley Beal.” (via @wojespn )
Washington could offer up Caldwell-Pope before the draft $5M partial guarantee on his $14M expiring salary (fully guarantees 6/28 after the draft). and I. Smith and his non-guaranteed $4M salary along with the #10 pick this year for Brogdon to team up with a max re-signed Beal.
that trade is almost prefect for matching salary's for Indy to re build with and get a second top pick in this years draft. If Woj is right about the interest it makes a lot of sense for both teams and leaves Boston out in the cold for both Brogdon and Beal in that case.
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Post by croc on Jun 21, 2022 14:05:01 GMT -5
Wyc was just on 98.5 says they've given the green light to add whatever they can add. Also wasn't expecting big moves, more like tweaks. Didn't rule out bigger moves either. The TPEs and MLE are in all play.
Said they want to do what it takes to win it all, more than once.
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2022 14:19:44 GMT -5
Brad Stevens and Ime Udoka have a type The Celtics head into the draft and free agency with a sense of urgency after a run to The Finals. By wjsy
MassLive’s Brian Robb reported yesterday that ownership wants to “significant[ly] expand Boston’s payroll” to a team that had a 2-1 Finals lead and late quarter leads in Games 4 & 5.
So, while Stevens has options and management is seemingly motivated to exhaust them, any additions will have to fit on the floor as much as they do the salary cap. To play for Udoka, the key is defense. The Celtics defense isn’t best in the league without each player to a man being able to defend their position. Payton Pritchard doesn’t see minutes in The Finals if he can’t hold his own against players like Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving. Despite a cold spell three-point shooting-wise in the later rounds, Grant Williams was still Boston’s first big off the bench for his switchable defense. We’ll preview potential targets here at CelticsBlog as we near free agency on the June 30th, but as we all start making our wish lists, make sure those players check off Udoka’s.
But as important as D is, the Celtics stumbled in The Finals because of turnovers a lack of offensive firepower. [Keith] Smith identifies three areas of need: 1) a vet wing to play next to and spell Tatum and Brown, 2) another big, and 3) a “pure point guard.” After losing the aforementioned Richardson (and Langford to some extent) in February, the Celtics never really replenished their wing depth and instead either played big with Grant Williams as a swingman or small with some combination of Smart, White, and Pritchard in the backcourt. Considering Robert Williams’ health and Al Horford’s age, adding an experienced big falls somewhere between necessity and luxury; the smaller TPE’s ($6.9 million and $5.9 million) could come in handy in-season if a need arises. The same can be said for the ever elusive vet PG. There is an easy argument that can be made that Brown and Tatum could use more catch-and-shoot and secondary action opportunities to ease their offensive burdens, but CP3’s don’t grow on trees.
Whether we’re talking about a young player who could be sitting at the end of the bench and shuttling between Boston and Maine or a ten-year vet looking to chip in on a chip, finding players to fit into a locker room might prove to be as difficult as trying to build one last summer.
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2022 14:28:44 GMT -5
Brad Stevens: We’ve got the ok to do whatever we need to do Stevens touched on the Celtics Finals run as well as the offseason in his first postseason media availability By Keith P Smith
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Boston Celtics President of Basketball Operations Brad Stevens met with the media on Tuesday morning for the first time this offseason. He touched on many things from the Celtics NBA Finals run, as well as some of the things he’s looking for this summer.
The main takeaway, and it’s one that should get Celtics fans excited, is that Stevens had the go-ahead from ownership to spend this summer.
When asked about the ability to use Boston’s Traded Player Exceptions and the Mid-Level Exception, Stevens said, “We’ve got the ok to do whatever we need to do.”
That’s welcomed news, considering there has seemed to be a reluctance for Celtics ownership to go into the luxury tax at times. It seems as if the commitment from Wyc Grousbeck to “pay the tax for a contender” rings true.
It’s too early, and not a strategic advantage, for Stevens to get into specific targets. But he did say that Boston needs to add more scoring, shooting and playmaking off their bench. While saying that, Stevens expressed that he thinks that could also come through some internal development.
As a former coach, Stevens is also very conscious of fit. He said, “It’s not about blindly acquiring talent. It’s about fitting a team together. We did a pretty good job of that this year I think we have an ability to take off running next season, because now we have a foundation and understand who we are as a team.”
Stevens also talked about a need for Boston to not stray too far from what makes them special. When saying how to make new additions fit, Stevens said, “We have a unique identity with our size and our versatility. We can play big but do a lot of things. We have to think about how we add to that without taking away from what makes us unique.”
When touching on the status of current players, the head of the front office said that no players have offseason surgeries planned. He specifically touched on Rob Williams and Marcus Smart, who both dealt with injuries in the latter part of the season and throughout the playoffs. Stevens said the team’s medical staff has said that both “just need some rest” this summer to let everything “settle down”.
Nothing was mentioned of Jayson Tatum dealing with a specific injury, but Stevens did say he told Tatum to “go on vacation, get some rest” after the season. Stevens referenced Tatum’s desire to play every day, and that he’s played a lot of basketball over the last few years, as reasons for him to take some downtime.
Overall, Stevens was happy with the progress the Celtics showed this season but added that “There should be a bitter taste, even after a great season. That can propel you into next season. I don’t think anyone is satisfied with where they are. We have to take those individual improvements and add them to the team.”
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Post by croc on Jun 21, 2022 14:36:53 GMT -5
When asked about the ability to use Boston’s Traded Player Exceptions and the Mid-Level Exception, Stevens said, “We’ve got the ok to do whatever we need to do.”
Exactly what Wyc just said
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 21, 2022 14:38:25 GMT -5
Jalen Smith is unrestricted.
3 Or 4 years at 30 to 40 mil probably less gets him.
Make a decision Keep Smart or White trade one for a real PG.
Time to move away from Grant and PP both..
Theis likely can't be moved IME destroyed his value and made a mistake going with Grant.
Last 5 games Grant averaged 4.2 pts while shooting 29% from the three.
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2022 14:49:07 GMT -5
Jalen Smith is unrestricted. 3 Or 4 years at 30 to 40 mil probably less gets him. Make a decision Keep Smart or White trade one for a real PG. Time to move away from Grant and PP both.. Theis likely can't be moved IME destroyed his value and made a mistake going with Grant. Last 5 games Grant averaged 4.2 pts while shooting 29% from the three.
We won't do a S&T as that will cap us at $159mm and the Franchise wants to be able to go as high as needed.
A trade must be for someone already under contract for either players or TPEs and picks. (We have this years 2nd, two 2nds in 23' and all our 1sts for 23' thru 27' ... 28's pick must be keft for a potential swap of 1sts with the Spurs as part of the White trade.
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2022 15:09:50 GMT -5
A Terrence Ross trade the Boston Celtics need to consider by Mark Nilon
(Photo by Nic Antaya/Getty Images)
According to the folks at Hoops Hype, league sources have informed them that the Orlando Magic are shopping the likes of veteran wing, Terrence Ross, and the hope amongst interested teams is that the asking price will drop to something similar to when the franchise dealt away Evan Fournier just two trade deadlines ago:
Previously at the trade deadline, the asking price for Ross was a first-round pick. With Ross now owed $11.5 million in the final year of his contract, rival teams with interest are hoping Orlando lowers its asking price to multiple second-round picks, similar to when the team previously traded Evan Fournier to the Celtics.
Now, being that they’ve already shelled out the rights to their first-round selection in last year’s draft and for this upcoming one, in all certainty, the C’s would not have been interested in giving up yet another one should the Magic’s asking price remain the same as it was from this past deadline and, frankly, nor should they be.
That said, should said price drop as mentioned, Boston should absolutely pursue Ross this summer, and we believe that this is a deal that could wind up getting such an exchange done:
Luckily for the Boston Celtics, they wouldn’t have to include any players heading outbound in exchange for the small forward, as they could simply opt to use some of the $17.5 million TPE they received last offseason in the Fournier sign-and-trade with the NY Knicks which, in and of itself, would be a luxury for Orlando to acquire.
However, on top of this, we also see the franchise receiving the type of draft capital many are hoping they’ll be asking for in hypothetical negotiations, bring back a 2022 second-round pick and then again one in 2023 via the Portland Trail Blazers.
Of course, the biggest part of this deal is Terrence Ross finally making his way to eastern Massachusetts for, as we stated earlier, we at the Houdini have been pushing for such a scenario for literally years, even referring to him as a ‘dream’ target at one point for the ball club.
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2022 15:18:20 GMT -5
Kevin Jairaj-USA TODAY Sports
It’ll be an interesting offseason for Brad Stevens, who needs to figure out who were the irreplaceable members of this NBA Finals run. If he doesn’t view super-sub Derrick White in that light, he could be used in a Clarkson trade considering their similar salaries. Given the couple million dollar difference, young guns Udoka Azubuike or Jared Butler could be a throw-in if that’s the basic deal framework. Assuming the starting five is off-limits, Daniel Theis could be another starting piece for the Cs to build a deal with.
hardwoodhoudini.com/2022/06/20/boston-celtics-clarkson-tpe-possibility/
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2022 15:28:55 GMT -5
I swear these other Blog writers come here for ideas ... you guys jumped the shark with this one! (Photo by Kathryn Riley/Getty Images)
Trade proposal brings Marcus Morris back to Cs by Andrew Hughes
According to Yossi Gozlan of HoopsHype, the Cs could explore a return for the former combo forward, who started 74 games in his two years under former head coach/current front office head honcho Brad Stevens: “Some players they could pursue with their trade exceptions include former Celtic Marcus Morris. The Celtics have all their future first-round picks to offer going forward, and they’ve shown a willingness to trade them when they traded one for Horford and another for White since Stevens took over.” What the Boston Celtics could give up in a Marcus Morris trade Ideally, the Celtics would be able to nab Morris for a future pick alone and call it a day. Unfortunately, the Clippers will most certainly not give up the former lottery pick up so easily. As a team that was two games from the 2021 NBA Finals, the L.A. would need a win-now asset in return to continue their quest for a first banner in franchise history. The best salary-matching piece the Clippers would consider is Derrick White, but that’d be a lateral move (at best) for the Celtics. White would likely be included in a deal for a star, if anything, not a role player five years older than him. Assuming Stevens wouldn’t include his star acquisition during this past February’s trade deadline, this could be a more realistic offer for Morris:
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