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Post by kyceltic on Mar 8, 2022 22:21:47 GMT -5
Kyrie just dropped 50 on the Honets!
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Post by DaCeltics on Mar 8, 2022 22:27:07 GMT -5
Kyrie just dropped 50 on the Honets! I like Kyrie as a player. Too bad he is so douchie as a person.
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Post by Admin on Mar 8, 2022 23:28:01 GMT -5
Nice find. Explains a lot. Ime is a defensive genious!
The Cliff Notes version:
> High-IQ defenders like Marcus Smart and Al Horford can cover up some mistakes that naturally happen through switching
> Instead of switching around a smaller guy to protect him, they switch around Rob Williams to keep him closer to the basket/ as a help defender at the rim
> Boston rarely plays a weak link, so there are very few players to protect. Udoka seems comfortable letting guys like Grant Williams or Horford have their isolation space against superstars
There is less of a worry about how the Celtics will work against a superstar like Durant at the point of attack. Udoka’s comfort with switching comes from knowing that Robert Williams is standing behind the defense to protect the rim. On-ball defenders crowd the ball a little more to prevent clean jump shots, resulting in drives that are funneled more towards Williams.
Instead of worrying about who guards a guy like Durant at the point of attack, the C’s need to worry more about finding ways to keep Williams guarding help spots in the corners. Against Durant on Sunday, the C’s found out the hard way just what happens if a different player is on the backline.
Williams was placed on non-shooter Bruce Brown, who often hides in the corners or sets high screens. That would let Williams help off the non-threat on the perimeter and play his usual role as a lane-clogger and weak-side swatter.
Two different times, both out of dead ball situations, the Nets would walk up and put Brown on the wing and above the break. Timelord would roam off him, but instead of full double-teaming the driving Durant and forcing a kick to Brown, he let Durant attack the rim that was far less protected than normal:
Schematically, teams will recognize and find ways to consistently attack Boston here in the playoffs, challenging Timelord’s communication to stay low or finding a way to keep him high on the perimeter if he gets cross-matched in transition. It almost needs to be played like a zone in order to keep Williams on the baseline on every possession. Pre-switch it in many of these cases and he winds up guarding Seth Curry, a subpar matchup for the C’s considering how much movement Curry is involved in and the threat he is away from the rim.
The regular season reveals what a team thinks is the best version of themselves. The playoffs reveal how consistently they can play that way when opponents try to take them out of it. We’ll likely see an increased presence of non-switching during the playoffs, where guys like Smart, Grant and White all take the brunt of tough individual matchups so that Tatum and Brown rest more for offense.
There is a little downside worth considering, though. The Celtics have been a well-oiled machine lately. Adding wrinkles or exceptions to be aware of in a switching defense can slow down their processing ability. Instead of seeing a screen and knowing it will be a switch, some players will pause to read whether the screen is a switch or a different coverage. That split-second can be costly against great teams.
I’m a firm believer in the ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’ approach to coaching. As such, the C’s didn’t need to adjust on Sunday against the Nets, and likely won’t throughout the regular season as they steamroll their way towards the playoffs. But in the back of our minds, we ought to pay attention to the next move on the chessboard and what our counter to that might be.
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Post by cole on Mar 8, 2022 23:37:17 GMT -5
Kyrie just dropped 50 on the Honets! I like Kyrie as a player. Too bad he is so douchie as a person. And they won too. Charlotte should be tired for us
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 9, 2022 8:32:07 GMT -5
Drewski you ok with the double big lineup now? LOL I appreciate the call out. Yup. Few reasons. 1. Simply put, Al is playing better. So its easier to understand the amount of minutes he gets. Especially if he's hitting shots at a half-decent clip (doesnt have to be a great %). 2. RWill has grown leaps and bounds in his ability to defend AWAY from the basket. He still gives 0 offense away from the basket, but maybe thats next improvement. Ill take one massive improvement at a time, and even if he never develop any O (outside of lobs and put-backs), he's still turned into a fantastic player for the defensive improvements. Remember RWill 2 years ago, he couldnt step forward and challenge a shooter like at all. He'd either foul or jump on a pump fake and the shooter would side step and drain the open look. Rwill looks much more comfortable defending mid-range shots, and even some shots contested at the 3 pt line. So its easier to have him out there w another true big, because he's not just a park under the basket at all times guy anymore. 3. White has cooled after a torrid start and isnt a "must have out there" at all critical times. 4. You cannot ignore the defensive stats when its Smart, JB, Tatum, Al, Rwill (best D in the league for any 5 man combo)
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 9, 2022 8:36:02 GMT -5
Kyrie just dropped 50 on the Honets! I like Kyrie as a player. Too bad he is so douchie as a person. Real too bad, cuz boy would he and Tatum make an unstoppable duo. And they would have figured it out by now.
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Post by cole on Mar 9, 2022 8:48:45 GMT -5
IDK, I remember a lot of plays where he over-penetrated and made bad passes or put up bad, contested shots. And he's not a good defender most of the time if ever. It's easy to look at the highlight games, as pointed out with JRich. It took Lebron and three refs for him to win the won he did win. Granted he played well and hit a big shot.
I just read an article about how when you over-switch teams can get the matchup they want, but with the smart-white lineup there is no weak link. If kyrie were out there, we would have to change our whole defensive philosophy or he would be targeted on every play. As we torched him last game.
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 9, 2022 9:26:54 GMT -5
Nice find. Explains a lot. Ime is a defensive genious!
The Cliff Notes version:
> High-IQ defenders like Marcus Smart and Al Horford can cover up some mistakes that naturally happen through switching
> Instead of switching around a smaller guy to protect him, they switch around Rob Williams to keep him closer to the basket/ as a help defender at the rim
> Boston rarely plays a weak link, so there are very few players to protect. Udoka seems comfortable letting guys like Grant Williams or Horford have their isolation space against superstars
There is less of a worry about how the Celtics will work against a superstar like Durant at the point of attack. Udoka’s comfort with switching comes from knowing that Robert Williams is standing behind the defense to protect the rim. On-ball defenders crowd the ball a little more to prevent clean jump shots, resulting in drives that are funneled more towards Williams.
Instead of worrying about who guards a guy like Durant at the point of attack, the C’s need to worry more about finding ways to keep Williams guarding help spots in the corners. Against Durant on Sunday, the C’s found out the hard way just what happens if a different player is on the backline.
Williams was placed on non-shooter Bruce Brown, who often hides in the corners or sets high screens. That would let Williams help off the non-threat on the perimeter and play his usual role as a lane-clogger and weak-side swatter.
Two different times, both out of dead ball situations, the Nets would walk up and put Brown on the wing and above the break. Timelord would roam off him, but instead of full double-teaming the driving Durant and forcing a kick to Brown, he let Durant attack the rim that was far less protected than normal:
Schematically, teams will recognize and find ways to consistently attack Boston here in the playoffs, challenging Timelord’s communication to stay low or finding a way to keep him high on the perimeter if he gets cross-matched in transition. It almost needs to be played like a zone in order to keep Williams on the baseline on every possession. Pre-switch it in many of these cases and he winds up guarding Seth Curry, a subpar matchup for the C’s considering how much movement Curry is involved in and the threat he is away from the rim.
The regular season reveals what a team thinks is the best version of themselves. The playoffs reveal how consistently they can play that way when opponents try to take them out of it. We’ll likely see an increased presence of non-switching during the playoffs, where guys like Smart, Grant and White all take the brunt of tough individual matchups so that Tatum and Brown rest more for offense.
There is a little downside worth considering, though. The Celtics have been a well-oiled machine lately. Adding wrinkles or exceptions to be aware of in a switching defense can slow down their processing ability. Instead of seeing a screen and knowing it will be a switch, some players will pause to read whether the screen is a switch or a different coverage. That split-second can be costly against great teams.
I’m a firm believer in the ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’ approach to coaching. As such, the C’s didn’t need to adjust on Sunday against the Nets, and likely won’t throughout the regular season as they steamroll their way towards the playoffs. But in the back of our minds, we ought to pay attention to the next move on the chessboard and what our counter to that might be.
''''Nice find. Explains a lot. Ime is a defensive genious!''' ah yeah Pop taught him well. Give credit to Stevens for stepping down and replacing himself with a better coach..
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Post by elvissurfs on Mar 9, 2022 10:44:06 GMT -5
Game starts a little early today, 7:00 in Charlotte...
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Post by DaCeltics on Mar 9, 2022 10:51:33 GMT -5
Admin you do a lot of post editing if we start a thread in the wrong section.
Would you mind scooping up all non basketball posts and depositing them where they belong?
Sucks to see every thread hijacked with non basketball shit.
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Post by Admin on Mar 9, 2022 10:56:19 GMT -5
New post for tonight's game here > celticshomecourt.freeforums.net/post/149978/threadDa, I'm a little busy this morning but when I find some time I'll send to the political thread ... are they all on this thread? Maybe give me a subject to look for to speed up my review ...
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Post by DaCeltics on Mar 9, 2022 11:02:49 GMT -5
New post for tonight's game here > celticshomecourt.freeforums.net/post/149978/threadDa, I'm a little busy this morning but when I find some time I'll send to the political thread ... are they all on this thread? Maybe give me a subject to look for to speed up my review ... Thank you. No just a general request for the future, not the past.
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Post by Admin on Mar 9, 2022 11:05:04 GMT -5
Ok ... you can flag a post and send complaint then either Cole or I can handle since we aren't always around when something is posted.
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Post by DaCeltics on Mar 9, 2022 11:05:47 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Mar 9, 2022 11:08:44 GMT -5
See my edit to previous post
Click on "Post Options" in top right corner of posting space and then "Report Post"
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Post by kyceltic on Mar 9, 2022 11:14:44 GMT -5
IDK, I remember a lot of plays where he over-penetrated and made bad passes or put up bad, contested shots. And he's not a good defender most of the time if ever. It's easy to look at the highlight games, as pointed out with JRich. It took Lebron and three refs for him to win the won he did win. Granted he played well and hit a big shot. I just read an article about how when you over-switch teams can get the matchup they want, but with the smart-white lineup there is no weak link. If kyrie were out there, we would have to change our whole defensive philosophy or he would be targeted on every play. As we torched him last game. kyrie's defense is fine! If you have a Jason Tatum, you may be able to exploit him, but other than Durant, there aren't a lot of Jason Tatum's out there!
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Post by kyceltic on Mar 9, 2022 11:18:23 GMT -5
Ok ... you can flag a post and send complaint then either Cole or I can handle since we aren't always around when something is posted. There may be times, when I flag my own post!
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Post by Admin on Mar 9, 2022 11:31:54 GMT -5
Mine too!
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 9, 2022 12:31:26 GMT -5
Ok ... you can flag a post and send complaint then either Cole or I can handle since we aren't always around when something is posted. There may be times, when I flag my own post! Please
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Post by Admin on Mar 9, 2022 17:08:12 GMT -5
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Post by DaCeltics on Mar 9, 2022 23:12:03 GMT -5
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