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Post by Admin on May 18, 2022 18:00:56 GMT -5
Keep in mind , we have 1 pick at 50. I understand we can trade future picks or prospects to get into the first round, but assuming not (just because theres so many variables in that ) at 50, I like Justin Lewis (Marquette) Julian Champagnie (St johns) (im partial to big east cuz i watch way more big east games than any other conference) Remy Martin (Ks) is small but he's an electric scorer Theres a few stashable foreign centers that could be intriguing in a few years down the road. I dont like taking stashers too early cuz when do they ever come over. But at 50, sure
Can't we buy a draft pick? Even if the $ will only fetch a late 1st or 2nd rounder that can be combined with #50 and used to move up ... no?
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Post by drewski6 on May 19, 2022 9:57:45 GMT -5
Keep in mind , we have 1 pick at 50. I understand we can trade future picks or prospects to get into the first round, but assuming not (just because theres so many variables in that ) at 50, I like Justin Lewis (Marquette) Julian Champagnie (St johns) (im partial to big east cuz i watch way more big east games than any other conference) Remy Martin (Ks) is small but he's an electric scorer Theres a few stashable foreign centers that could be intriguing in a few years down the road. I dont like taking stashers too early cuz when do they ever come over. But at 50, sure
Can't we buy a draft pick? Even if the $ will only fetch a late 1st or 2nd rounder that can be combined with #50 and used to move up ... no?
Interesting! Im not 100% sure how this would effect cap stuff. E.G. does the dollar of the draft pick purchase count towards luxury tax? Do you have to be under the cap to do this? Interested in learning more about this. Obviously, historically speaking, when a draft pick is bought, its usually by taking a contract that someone wants to move, but you can absorb if the player comes with a pick (OKC is good at this). But a pure pick for cash swap, sounds interesting, but I just dont know enough about this. Interested in learning more though.
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Post by rkarp1 on Jun 20, 2022 14:36:48 GMT -5
Keep in mind , we have 1 pick at 50. I understand we can trade future picks or prospects to get into the first round, but assuming not (just because theres so many variables in that ) at 50, I like Justin Lewis (Marquette) Julian Champagnie (St johns) (im partial to big east cuz i watch way more big east games than any other conference) Remy Martin (Ks) is small but he's an electric scorer Theres a few stashable foreign centers that could be intriguing in a few years down the road. I dont like taking stashers too early cuz when do they ever come over. But at 50, sure I like a bigger player that can defend first, and rim run on offense. someone who will listen and learn from RWill and Horford. I like Baldwin Jr at 50. I also like Champagnie. I also like a wing who can defend and shoot the ball. Juzang most likely will be available at 50.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 20, 2022 18:00:56 GMT -5
I think the pick ended up at #53.
not there is much difference really.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 21, 2022 8:39:25 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2022 14:38:34 GMT -5
Draft targets: Coach Spins’ favorite developmental picksIs there downside to swinging for the fences on a younger talent? There are a few who could be available with the 53rd pick.By CoachSpins Stephen R. Sylvanie-USA TODAY Sports
On Thursday night, the Boston Celtics will enter the draft with the 53rd overall selection. The first-round pick that originally belonged to the C’s was shipped to the San Antonio Spurs in the Derrick White trade back in February. Coming off an NBA Finals run, there’s little to no expectation that the prospect Brad Stevens drafts with that 53rd selection can come in and help their roster right away. This is less about drafting for need than it is for talent.
If that’s the case, then why not swing for the fences? The player is likely to be on the bench or in the G-League. This year’s draft class is full of unique talents and unorthodox prospects — particularly one-and-done players — who are really far away from impacting the NBA but could deliver eventual first-round value if they can harness their talent.
It isn’t unrealistic to think these players could fall all the way to 53rd either. This draft class becomes really deep with second-round talent, there are plenty of franchises looking to go the draft-and-stash route this year, and several freshmen entered the draft after a poor season, opening up the strong possibility that at least one of them could go undrafted.
Several contending teams have struck gold in the past by swinging on a high-upside youngster in the second round, and the dividends that come from that success are huge. In 2018, Jarred Vanderbilt, Bruce Brown and De’Anthony Melton all went in the back-half of the second round as one-and-done prospects, and found their way to contribute to playoff teams this season. Last year, the Los Angeles Clippers took a chance on disappointing freshman Brandon Boston Jr. Now, they have a steal of a talent who can help them as they fight for a Western Conference crown.
Will the Celtics follow that model and take a swing on a youngster with clear first-round upside but that is coming off a disappointing season?
The first prospect to come to mind in this regard is John Butler from Florida State. He is several years away from competing in the NBA: he’s 7’0” and weighs 190 pounds. That type of frame will get abused in the NBA physically.
Butler is unlike any seven-footer we’ve seen before — he hates contact, rarely tries to score in the lane and is not a center by any means. Think of him like a giant shooting guard. He spends most of his time spotting up on the perimeter offensively — and he shot nearly 40% from 3 as a freshman. He’s perhaps most attractive for his defensive ability. At his size and length, he’s a good shot blocker and an impactful help defender because he covers so much ground. But he’s actually switchable on the perimeter, something he showed this season in Florida State’s switch-everything scheme.
If Butler is given a few years to develop physically and sharpen his skills for the NBA, he can be an incredibly rare and unorthodox fit inside Ime Udoka’s gameplan. A big floor spacer who shoots over the top of the defense while switching on the perimeter and preserving the defensive identity? Sign me up. Celtics fans would have to be incredibly patient with Butler, and a second-round pick that is only a two-year deal may never return minutes or impact until he signs his next contract. For those reasons, Butler may fall to the undrafted ranks, though if a team like Boston is willing to be patient and sees the gigantic upside, Butler would be a fascinating target.
While we’re discussing big men, Moussa Diabate from Michigan makes an interesting case to be a modern NBA big man. This past year with the Wolverines, he played alongside a big man in Hunter Dickinson who was very bound to being near the rim. That forced Diabate to play the 4 for long stretches, and he wasn’t half bad. He’s mobile and switchable on the perimeter, and the rim protection traits remain largely unexcavated because of the position he played.
Diabate has a 7’0” wingspan, decent emergency rotations as a defender and solid athleticism. He isn’t an elite lob target and doesn’t jump out of the gym, but he does have coordination in space.
Where Diabate becomes risky is in his offense: he’s really raw, doesn’t seem to shoot it well right now and is an unknown as a pick-and-roll big because he didn’t play in that role at Michigan. There are flashes of rebound-and-run skill and a clear love of playing in transition present. Still, Diabate is a somewhat risky prospect due to the unknown surrounding him — if he weren’t, he wouldn’t be available at the 53rd pick.
If we’re really talking about unique upside that cannot be replicated elsewhere, then Peyton Watson from UCLA has to at least get a mention. Watson was buried on the Bruins depth chart because they had a great deal of veteran isolation scorers and he didn’t shoot it well as a spot-up threat. Yes, on its face, that should scare many Celtics fans away from seeing the fit.
...at least right now. Long-term, if Watson can piece together adequate spot-up shooting, he becomes a really toolsy frontcourt piece. At 6’8” with a 7’0” wingspan, he can defend multiple positions and does have that switchability the Celtics covet. He can be a very strong defensive piece in the frontcourt rotation. Offensively, he likes to operate with the ball in his hands and get to crafty mid-range jumpers. He’s a solid passer and shows flashes of unique creation skill, though he is perhaps the most raw offensive prospect in this draft class.
Lastly, let’s look at a smaller prospect who isn’t a big or a gigantic wing. If the Celtics value intangibles and want to look for a young prospect with the potential to be a glue guy in the future, Georgetown’s Aminu Mohammed checks a lot of boxes. He’s incredibly strong and thick-bodied for a teenager, and he can use that defensively. He should guard 1 thru 3, and could hold his own eventually against smaller 4-men.
During the NBA Draft Combine, Mohammed turned heads for his motor. He was going after every loose ball, attacking contact to get to the free throw line, crashing the glass hard and going all out on every possession. While incredibly raw and unrefined on the offensive end right now, those intangibles are qualities that are difficult to find and can help a winning team when cast in the right role.
Mohammed is, as we said, very far away from making an impact offensively, if he ever figures it out. He doesn’t shoot it well and must work on his form, over-dribbles and got away with a ton of bad habits on a poor Georgetown team, and struggled to be efficient in the half-court in any manner.
All that said, if Mohammed (or any of these guys) didn’t have clear flaws as one-and-done prospects, they’d be going in the first round. In essence, any of these four players are the bargain bin for long-term upside, with Stevens and the scouting staff needing to decide if the individual upside is there to turn them into a contributor within the next few years.
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 21, 2022 14:44:47 GMT -5
Keep in mind , we have 1 pick at 50. I understand we can trade future picks or prospects to get into the first round, but assuming not (just because theres so many variables in that ) at 50, I like Justin Lewis (Marquette) Julian Champagnie (St johns) (im partial to big east cuz i watch way more big east games than any other conference) Remy Martin (Ks) is small but he's an electric scorer Theres a few stashable foreign centers that could be intriguing in a few years down the road. I dont like taking stashers too early cuz when do they ever come over. But at 50, sure
Can't we buy a draft pick? Even if the $ will only fetch a late 1st or 2nd rounder that can be combined with #50 and used to move up ... no?
One can hope. .Ainge couldn't move up failed every year.
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2022 17:08:56 GMT -5
We could even use a few more 2nds to hand out with those TPEs ... don't want to come up short on picks if/when a good trade is on the table.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 22, 2022 10:31:25 GMT -5
Draft targets: Coach Spins’ favorite developmental picksIs there downside to swinging for the fences on a younger talent? There are a few who could be available with the 53rd pick.By CoachSpins Stephen R. Sylvanie-USA TODAY Sports
On Thursday night, the Boston Celtics will enter the draft with the 53rd overall selection. The first-round pick that originally belonged to the C’s was shipped to the San Antonio Spurs in the Derrick White trade back in February. Coming off an NBA Finals run, there’s little to no expectation that the prospect Brad Stevens drafts with that 53rd selection can come in and help their roster right away. This is less about drafting for need than it is for talent.
If that’s the case, then why not swing for the fences? The player is likely to be on the bench or in the G-League. This year’s draft class is full of unique talents and unorthodox prospects — particularly one-and-done players — who are really far away from impacting the NBA but could deliver eventual first-round value if they can harness their talent.
It isn’t unrealistic to think these players could fall all the way to 53rd either. This draft class becomes really deep with second-round talent, there are plenty of franchises looking to go the draft-and-stash route this year, and several freshmen entered the draft after a poor season, opening up the strong possibility that at least one of them could go undrafted.
Several contending teams have struck gold in the past by swinging on a high-upside youngster in the second round, and the dividends that come from that success are huge. In 2018, Jarred Vanderbilt, Bruce Brown and De’Anthony Melton all went in the back-half of the second round as one-and-done prospects, and found their way to contribute to playoff teams this season. Last year, the Los Angeles Clippers took a chance on disappointing freshman Brandon Boston Jr. Now, they have a steal of a talent who can help them as they fight for a Western Conference crown.
Will the Celtics follow that model and take a swing on a youngster with clear first-round upside but that is coming off a disappointing season?
The first prospect to come to mind in this regard is John Butler from Florida State. He is several years away from competing in the NBA: he’s 7’0” and weighs 190 pounds. That type of frame will get abused in the NBA physically.
Butler is unlike any seven-footer we’ve seen before — he hates contact, rarely tries to score in the lane and is not a center by any means. Think of him like a giant shooting guard. He spends most of his time spotting up on the perimeter offensively — and he shot nearly 40% from 3 as a freshman. He’s perhaps most attractive for his defensive ability. At his size and length, he’s a good shot blocker and an impactful help defender because he covers so much ground. But he’s actually switchable on the perimeter, something he showed this season in Florida State’s switch-everything scheme.
If Butler is given a few years to develop physically and sharpen his skills for the NBA, he can be an incredibly rare and unorthodox fit inside Ime Udoka’s gameplan. A big floor spacer who shoots over the top of the defense while switching on the perimeter and preserving the defensive identity? Sign me up. Celtics fans would have to be incredibly patient with Butler, and a second-round pick that is only a two-year deal may never return minutes or impact until he signs his next contract. For those reasons, Butler may fall to the undrafted ranks, though if a team like Boston is willing to be patient and sees the gigantic upside, Butler would be a fascinating target.
While we’re discussing big men, Moussa Diabate from Michigan makes an interesting case to be a modern NBA big man. This past year with the Wolverines, he played alongside a big man in Hunter Dickinson who was very bound to being near the rim. That forced Diabate to play the 4 for long stretches, and he wasn’t half bad. He’s mobile and switchable on the perimeter, and the rim protection traits remain largely unexcavated because of the position he played.
Diabate has a 7’0” wingspan, decent emergency rotations as a defender and solid athleticism. He isn’t an elite lob target and doesn’t jump out of the gym, but he does have coordination in space.
Where Diabate becomes risky is in his offense: he’s really raw, doesn’t seem to shoot it well right now and is an unknown as a pick-and-roll big because he didn’t play in that role at Michigan. There are flashes of rebound-and-run skill and a clear love of playing in transition present. Still, Diabate is a somewhat risky prospect due to the unknown surrounding him — if he weren’t, he wouldn’t be available at the 53rd pick.
If we’re really talking about unique upside that cannot be replicated elsewhere, then Peyton Watson from UCLA has to at least get a mention. Watson was buried on the Bruins depth chart because they had a great deal of veteran isolation scorers and he didn’t shoot it well as a spot-up threat. Yes, on its face, that should scare many Celtics fans away from seeing the fit.
...at least right now. Long-term, if Watson can piece together adequate spot-up shooting, he becomes a really toolsy frontcourt piece. At 6’8” with a 7’0” wingspan, he can defend multiple positions and does have that switchability the Celtics covet. He can be a very strong defensive piece in the frontcourt rotation. Offensively, he likes to operate with the ball in his hands and get to crafty mid-range jumpers. He’s a solid passer and shows flashes of unique creation skill, though he is perhaps the most raw offensive prospect in this draft class.
Lastly, let’s look at a smaller prospect who isn’t a big or a gigantic wing. If the Celtics value intangibles and want to look for a young prospect with the potential to be a glue guy in the future, Georgetown’s Aminu Mohammed checks a lot of boxes. He’s incredibly strong and thick-bodied for a teenager, and he can use that defensively. He should guard 1 thru 3, and could hold his own eventually against smaller 4-men.
During the NBA Draft Combine, Mohammed turned heads for his motor. He was going after every loose ball, attacking contact to get to the free throw line, crashing the glass hard and going all out on every possession. While incredibly raw and unrefined on the offensive end right now, those intangibles are qualities that are difficult to find and can help a winning team when cast in the right role.
Mohammed is, as we said, very far away from making an impact offensively, if he ever figures it out. He doesn’t shoot it well and must work on his form, over-dribbles and got away with a ton of bad habits on a poor Georgetown team, and struggled to be efficient in the half-court in any manner.
All that said, if Mohammed (or any of these guys) didn’t have clear flaws as one-and-done prospects, they’d be going in the first round. In essence, any of these four players are the bargain bin for long-term upside, with Stevens and the scouting staff needing to decide if the individual upside is there to turn them into a contributor within the next few years.
Butler a rare skillset for his size. Wonder if he was a late grower (as in wasnt super tall in AAU and therefore played a guard/swing role, but then had a growth spurt). If true, those types are usually very deadly cuz they can do things you wouldnt expect someone with their size to do. The bean pole ness - to that question, I would look at work ethic. If hes a hard worker, motivated, then you should be pretty optimistic on him getting to the gym. Intriguing prospect for sure.
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Post by Admin on Jun 22, 2022 13:16:42 GMT -5
Some Int'l D&S options if we pick at #53:
> Oh, and he chgd his mind and opted in on the draft!
Here's a PG for Dee:
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Post by Admin on Jun 22, 2022 13:27:13 GMT -5
Here’s a roundup of mock drafts as to who the Celtics could pick at 53rd overall:
ESPN: Gabriele Procida, 20 years old2021-22 stats: 18.5 minutes, 7.0 points, 3.0 rebounds, 0.7 assists per game for Fortitudo Bologna in Lega Serie A in Italy.
The Athletic: Jared Rhoden, 22 years old2021-22 stats: 34.6 minutes, 14.9 points, 6.7 rebounds, 1.9 assists per game for Seton Hall.
Sports Illustrated: Tyrese Martin, 23 years old2021-22 stats: 32.1 minutes, 13.6 points, 7.5 rebounds, 1.9 assists per game for UConn.
Bleacher Report: Moussa Diabate, 20 years old2021-22 stats: 24.9 minutes, 9.0 points, 6.0 rebounds, 0.8 assists per game for Michigan.
Yahoo Sports: Collin Gillespie, 22 years old2021-22 stats: 34.2 minutes, 15.6 points, 3.8 rebounds, 3.2 assists per game for Villanova.
Basketball News: Michael Foster, 19 years old2021-22 stats: 31 minutes, 16.3 points, 10.4 rebounds, 2.5 assists per game for G League Ignite.
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Post by drewski6 on Jun 22, 2022 13:32:17 GMT -5
Any guess who Im for in Admin's list?
The big east players.
Gillespie been breaking my heart for years as he's just such a freaking gamer. Big shots are his thing, and he hits them.
Rhoden at Seton is a tenacious defender.
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Post by Admin on Jun 22, 2022 13:42:36 GMT -5
Celtics Among Teams Angling for Warriors’ First-Round Draft Pick By Sean Deveney Kansas' Christian Braun, a potential target at No. 28 in the NBA draft. (Getty)
The Warriors certainly do not have to give up the No. 28 pick in Thursday’s NBA draft. But with three young recent lottery picks—James Wiseman, Moses Moody and Jonathan Kuminga—in need of development and with an ever-mounting tax bill, Golden State is said to be willing to listen to offers for the pick, rather than adding another rookie to the mix.
Several teams are interested in it.
Among them, a source said, are the Celtics, who are without a pick in this draft after sending their pick to San Antonio in the Derrick White trade. Boston, also facing a future luxury-tax bill, has an interest in bringing in low-cost players who can contribute, and there could be a handful of polished, older players available late in this year’s first round.
The Knicks, trying to collect assets create a package that could move them into the Top 5 of the draft, where Purdue guard Jaden Ivey is the target, are also among the teams that have inquired about No. 28. Orlando, which has the first pick and is looking to collect a core that can grow together, has also asked about the pick, sources said.
The Warriors might be willing to let the pick go in favor of future interests, including multiple second-rounders. That might be tricky for the Celtics, who have traded away their second-rounders in the next three drafts, but do have two incoming second-rounders next year to offer.
Warriors Have Options at 28
ESPN analyst Bobby Marks, who was the Nets’ assistant general manager for five years, told Heavy.com that the Warriors might not be opposed to absorbing the cost of the pick, but that the team could look for second rounders, either in this draft or down the road.
Said Marks:
Maybe, do you move back where Orlando is picking, at 32 and 34? They have two picks, early seconds, does that make sense? That is what I would be looking for.
I don’t know if the tax is that big of a deal for them considering they’re probably going to extend Poole and Wiggins, and bring back Payton and Looney and pay $400 million this year, when you can have a guy on an inexpensive contract for four years instead of always signing a veteran minimum, year after year, that takes some into consideration.
Moving out of the first, it is hard to say they’d get a future (round) one because it is so late in the first, unless it is heavily protected. But can you get a good second there in the 30s and maybe a future second? Maybe there is something there where you get two in the early 20s, but you also have got 51 and 55 and those are ones that, maybe you sell off on those, maybe we get cash, maybe we get a future (second-round pick).
Polished Picks Available at No. 28
Whoever winds up with the No. 28 pick will be able to either take a swing at a prospect or land a polished veteran who might be more NBA-ready.
Solid two-way wing Christian Braun from Kansas is expected to be on the board at that point, as well as Gonzaga point guard Andrew Nembhard, who has impressed in workouts this spring. Twenty-two-year-old shot-blocking Arizona center Christian Koloko is also a potential target at No. 28.
But younger prospects like Nebraska’s Bryce McGowens, and G-League Ignite players Jaden Hardy and MarJon Beauchamp could also be of interest with the pick.
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 22, 2022 13:53:41 GMT -5
Ziga Samar?
I'll watch some more clips like what i've seen. Still kinda like Yam especially over PP....
Ya watchin the Sox ? Sky blue and sunflower digs... reminds me of star trek costumes
I've seen every game this month..
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Post by Admin on Jun 22, 2022 13:58:42 GMT -5
Yep ... caught the recap last night ... they've been on a roll!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 22, 2022 15:16:47 GMT -5
We are interested in the #28 pick?
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 22, 2022 15:19:11 GMT -5
3/30 for PJ Tucker is too much
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 22, 2022 15:27:07 GMT -5
Strike this one, unfortunately:
Adrian Wojnarowski: Milwaukee Bucks guard Pat Connaughton is exercising his $5.7 million option to return for the 2022-2023 season, sources tell ESPN. – via Twitter wojespn Top Rumors, Free Agency, Pat Connaughton, Milwaukee Bucks
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Post by Admin on Jun 22, 2022 17:10:47 GMT -5
Some potential sleepers for the 2nd round ... some may go undrafted and warrant a quick call to land a two-way:
1) The 2022 NBA Draft takes place tomorrow night and there is a strong chance Ron Harper Jr. could break a 12-year drought for Rutgers. The last time a Scarlet Knight was selected on draft day came in 2010 when Hamady N’Diaye was the 56th overall pick of the Minnesota Timberwolves but saw his rights traded to the Washington Wizards.
Tomorrow night, Rutgers fans may be eyeing up more of that late-second-round drama. Mock drafts have Harper going at many different spots in the second round, but he is not included as a hands-down lock to be selected. However, if he does wind up finding a place in the draft, he will then have to make an active roster.
2) The 6-foot-8, sweet-shooting Julian Champagnie sticks with UNLTD Sports Group’s agent Nick Blatchford, who worked last year to get the Name, Image and Likeness (NIL) deal and will fly to Miami on Sunday. To start training for the draft.
According to most mock drafts, the 20-year-old Champagnie is a projected second-round pick. This past season, he averaged 19.2 points, 6.6 rebounds and 33.7 percent from 3-point range. Although he posted career highs in assists (2.0), blocks (1.1) and steals (2.0) this season, those numbers are slightly lower than his sophomore year. Julian Champagne shoots the ball for St. John’s.
“I think he’s going to play 10-plus years in the NBA because of his size and his skill set for today’s game. He fits in very well,” Blochford said. . “
3) [At 6'8"] Jordan Hall had a monster freshman season for the Hawks averaging 10.6ppg, 5.9rbs and an outstanding 5.7 assists per game. He’ll look to build on this early success while showing NBA scouts some new wrinkles to his game.
Hall is a capable 3pt shooter who hit 35% from downtown as a freshman – he also hit 76% from the FT line. Both of these are solid numbers but also have room for improvement.
Perhaps the biggest area of improvement for Hall will be increasing his athleticism, speed and burst. He’s got a solid frame and enough athleticism to get by but isn’t particularly fast in the open court and doesn’t have blow-by speed. He’ll never be an elite run/jump athlete but should be able to add some athleticism.
Hall is listed here as a small forward but in many ways is a jumbo point guard with uncanny court vision. He sees the play before it happens and passes teammates open. He makes great hit-ahead passes and is always playing with his head up. This great passing at his size, along with his lack of ideal foot-speed remind me of Kyle Anderson.
4) Darius Days as a senior the 6'7" F ... averaged 13.7 points per game, 7.8 rebounds, 1.5 steals a game … Averaged 29.7 minutes … Started all of but one game that he played in over the last three seasons (91-of-92 games) … After rolling his ankle in back-to-back games in mid-January, forcing him to miss a game, he came back to score in double figure the last 14 games of the season with six double doubles during that period … In all, 26 double figure games, 70 for his career … Nine double doubles for the season, 25 for his career … Had his career high scoring game in the season opener against ULM (11/9) with 30 points, hitting 11-of-13 field goals, including 8-of-9 from the arc … Hit 69 three-pointers with 10 games of three-or-more … Also had five treys against Liberty (11/15), Lipscomb (12/22) and Ole Miss (2/1) … Had a double double against Louisiana Tech of 13 points and 18 rebounds (12/18), the most rebounds since Ben Simmons had 18 for LSU in 2016 …
5) It’s time to stop sleeping on NC State ball player Dereon Seabron. I labeled him a ball player because he’s the epitome of positionless. It's unfair to him to box him into a label of a position.
Listed at 6’7” 180 pounds. He’s easily one of the most unique prospects I’ve scouted. At times he looks like a natural point guard with his feel as a passer and playmaker. But he’s also a high level slasher that has the handle and shake & bake to his game to breakdown defenses with his drives to the rim.
NC state has done a good job in maximizing his versatility and running plays to get him matched up in space where he blows by defenders and gets to the rack where he does nearly all his scoring damage.
At this point in his career he’s not a very good shooter, teams know it and he’s still getting to the rim at will. Kinda like Giannis in the sense you know he’s looking to get downhill on every possession and he ends up… Getting downhill.
Now remember, I mentioned he only weighs 180 lbs and college basketball doesn’t have the same spacing as the NBA and in some cases is more physical due to the lanes being congested. So he’s taking a lot of punishment every time he attacks the hoop..
You can’t help but love his competitive fire and toughness. It takes a different level of ruggedness and a certain mindset to make your living at the rim at playing at a buck 180. 82.8% of his shots are at the rim. EIGHTY TWO POINT 8 PERCENT!!
If you just looked at the percentage of his shots at the rim and his rebounding numbers, you’d think he was a traditional back to the basket center, but he's far from it. Seabron is a relentless rebounder. Relentless! We rarely see a player with his skills with the mindset of a scrappy role player.. He just wants it more than everyone else on the floor..
6) One of the top if not THE top Big on the board that's been untalked about is a 7 footer ... Fresno State forward Orlando Robinson averaged 19.4 points, 8.4 rebounds and 2.9 assists per game while shooting 48.4 percent (251-for-519) from the field and 35.2 percent (37-for-105) on 3-point field goals in 2021-22
7) Dominick Barlow 6-foot-9, 221 pounds, forward, Overtime Elite < Spurs have him in their radar!
When N.B.A. evaluators visited Overtime Elite this year, it was with an eye toward the future. The start-up league has potential top-10 players in the 2023 and 2024 drafts. But one player from the 2022 draft class took advantage of all that extra scouting attention and has worked his way from being an unheralded 3-star high school prospect to a potential first-round draft pick: Dominick Barlow.
“The fact that this was OTE’s first year intrigued scouts,” Barlow, 19, said. “And once the scouts were in the building, they were able to see what I could do.”
Barlow played for Dumont High School, a small public high school in Dumont, N.J. He didn’t land with a powerhouse Amateur Athletic Union program until the summer before his senior year, when a coach for the New York Renaissance spotted him playing at a public park. He surprised most basketball insiders in September when he left a prep program and declined several high-major offers to sign with Overtime Elite. It offers a six-figure salary to boys’ and men’s basketball players who are at least in their junior year of high school.
8) Gabriel Procida is a big 6-7 Italian shooting guard who can stroke the 3pt shot, has excellent shooting form and is a solid athlete as well.
Has great size for the position. Is a quick open court athlete who can play above the rim with ease. Has good straight-line speed and a lot of bounce.
Can throw down some ferocious dunks.
A heady player with good basketball instinct and feel for the game. Moves well off the ball, comes off screens well and understands how to find space for his shot.
Has a skill set well suited for today’s NBA.
9) Vince Williams Jr. has declared for the 2022 NBA Draft, looking to follow in the footsteps of former VCU teammate and current Denver Nuggets guard Bones Hyland. A two-time All-A-10 selection, Williams established himself as one of the premier three-and-D wing defenders on the east coast throughout his college career, and it’s given him a chance to break into the league next season.
Williams averaged 14.1 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 1.6 steals and 1.6 blocks per game while shooting 47.7 percent from the field. Few players in the conference were more productive than Williams was during his senior season as he finished in the top-16 in points, assists, steals and blocks per game while making the 11th-most total threes (65) and leading the conference in box plus/minus (9.2). Measurements from 2022 NBA G League Elite Camp
Height: 6 feet, 5.5 inches
Weight: 202.6 pounds
Wingspan: 7 feet
Standing reach: 8 feet, 7 inches
Standing vertical: 27 inches
Strengths:
defensive event creation/playmaking, three-point shooting, transition passing
With an ideal physical profile for a strong, switchable and scheme-versatile NBA defender, don’t be surprised if Williams carves out an immediate role despite being a second-rounder a la Herbert Jones. He played more of a power forward role at VCU but should be able to play on the wing in the league given his size, speed and nose for the ball.
Though he shot 22% from deep across his first two seasons with the Rams, Williams blossomed into a 41.3% 3-point shooter by his junior season and made 38.7% on 5.6 attempts per game as a senior. Smooth mechanics and a strong lower-body culminate in a nice-looking lefty jumper that seems translatable due to the high release point and Williams’ shot versatility. He steps into transition threes with ease and can spot up in the halfcourt as well.
Playmaking is Williams’ most underrated skill. He’s not athletic or decisive enough as a ball-handler to be a guard, but he can attack a scrambling defense and hit open teammates or make the right play to create opportunities in transition.
Areas to improve:
point of attack defense, ball-handling, shot creation
Defending the offense’s point of attack and being able to contain point guards on a switch isn’t Williams’ biggest weakness, but it would go the furthest towards solidifying him as an NBA player if he were to improve his screen navigation or positioning at the level and/or in drop coverage. He’s not an elite lateral or vertical athlete, which could limit his defensive versatility as a pro and thus limit the impact he can make as a role-player.
Ball-handling and shot creation in the halfcourt are less important for low-usage players that thrive off of spot-up threes and transition finishes, but Williams could stand to tighten these up, which would allow himself to take better advantage of his touch and efficiency inside the arc.
Projected draft range: second round/two-way contract
Unfortunately, Williams is not widely projected to be selected in the NBA Draft, which features only 58 picks due to forfeiture of the 54th and 55th overall selections from the Bucks and Heat. Tankathon.com currently pegs him to Indiana as the last pick of the draft, while other mainstream outlets have omitted him entirely. If Williams goes undrafted, it’s highly likely he gets a two-way contract, Exhibit 10 or training camp deal for his first shot at cracking an NBA roster.
10) Jabari Walker @ 6'8" and 200 lbs ... is an intriguing combo forward who looks like he’ll have a role in the NBA thanks to his sweet shooting stroke from downtown. If he can develop and round out the rest of his offensive game he’ll be a problem.
Walker had insanely good shooting splits his freshman year (52/52/78) in about 14 minutes a game. This shooting rate might not be sustainable going forward but it’s not a fluke; Walker can really stroke the ball.
He’s not yet much of a play-maker and doesn’t yet have point-forward skills. This will be a big area of development for him.
Walker has decent length and size with good athleticism, but isn’t a freak athlete.
11) • Tevin Brown was born on September 23, 1998. The 6-foot-5 shooting guard played his high school basketball at Fairhope High in Fairhope, Alabama. As a junior, he was named Coastal Alabama Player of the Year after averaging 24 points and 11 boards per game. As a senior, Brown posted 22 points, 11 rebounds and 4.1 assists per contest. He committed to Murray State over Florida Gulf Coast, Illinois State, Old Dominion, Middle Tennessee and Little Rock.
• A foot injury led Brown to redshirt his freshman season in 2017-18. As a redshirt freshman in 2018-19, Brown averaged 11.8 points, 4.7 rebounds, 2.3 assists and 1.1 steals per game. The following season, with Ja Morant now in the NBA, Brown took on a much larger role, posting 17.9 points per game and shooting 44.7 percent from the field (41.9% 3Pt) en route to a First Team All-Ohio Valley Conference selection.
• As a junior, Brown averaged 14.7 points, 5.9 rebounds and 4.3 assists per game and was once again named to the All-OVC First Team. He once again earned First Team All-OVC honors as a senior behind averages of 16.8 points, 5.6 boards, 3.1 assists and 1.4 steals. Brown led Murray State to an NCAA Tournament Round 1 victory over San Francisco, scoring 17 points to go with eight rebounds in the thrilling, 92-87 win. In the Racers’ subsequent loss to St. Peter’s, Brown tallied 14 points, five rebounds and four assists. Across 34 total games as a senior, Brown scored in double figures 32 games and reached 20 points eight times.
—Profile by RotoWire
Admin > Backup combo guard like Pritchard from the perimeter but a better athlete that can take it to the rack
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 22, 2022 18:23:05 GMT -5
Okay, so these are the kinds of things that piss me off to no end:
Adrian Wojnarowski: Detroit has traded Jerami Grant to Portland for 2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee, sources tell ESPN. – via Twitter wojespn Top Rumors, Salaries, Trade, Jerami Grant, Detroit Pistons, Portland Trail Blazers
Adrian Wojnarowski: Detroit swaps 2022 second-round picks — getting 36 for 46 — with Portland, too. Detroit gets a 2025 second-round pick back from Portland, and Portland sends the most favorable 2026 second-round pick between Portland and New Orleans to Detroit, sources said. – via Twitter wojespn Salaries, Trade, Jerami Grant, Detroit Pistons, Portland Trail Blazers
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 22, 2022 18:40:50 GMT -5
3/30 for PJ Tucker is too much yep
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Post by cole on Jun 22, 2022 18:41:43 GMT -5
Okay, so these are the kinds of things that piss me off to no end: Adrian Wojnarowski: Detroit has traded Jerami Grant to Portland for 2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee, sources tell ESPN. – via Twitter wojespn Top Rumors, Salaries, Trade, Jerami Grant, Detroit Pistons, Portland Trail Blazers Adrian Wojnarowski: Detroit swaps 2022 second-round picks — getting 36 for 46 — with Portland, too. Detroit gets a 2025 second-round pick back from Portland, and Portland sends the most favorable 2026 second-round pick between Portland and New Orleans to Detroit, sources said. – via Twitter wojespn Salaries, Trade, Jerami Grant, Detroit Pistons, Portland Trail Blazers I've always liked him and thought him attainable. Liked him at okc
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 22, 2022 19:13:03 GMT -5
3/30 for PJ Tucker is too much there is the no free agent money thing...TOP-MLE ($6.4M) or vet minimum deals only plus trades and TPE's for people under contract. (not Tucker)
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 22, 2022 19:14:50 GMT -5
Okay, so these are the kinds of things that piss me off to no end: Adrian Wojnarowski: Detroit has traded Jerami Grant to Portland for 2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee, sources tell ESPN. – via Twitter wojespn Top Rumors, Salaries, Trade, Jerami Grant, Detroit Pistons, Portland Trail Blazers Adrian Wojnarowski: Detroit swaps 2022 second-round picks — getting 36 for 46 — with Portland, too. Detroit gets a 2025 second-round pick back from Portland, and Portland sends the most favorable 2026 second-round pick between Portland and New Orleans to Detroit, sources said. – via Twitter wojespn Salaries, Trade, Jerami Grant, Detroit Pistons, Portland Trail Blazers Portland had the TPE form the McCollum deal to bring him into. we only had $17.1M TPE not the $21M needed there
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Post by Admin on Jun 22, 2022 21:16:12 GMT -5
C's have worked out these guys:
Teddy "Buckets" Allen ... a microwave type that doesn't share the ball, high volume shooter who was a regular transfer as he insists on doing it his way (NOPE)
Peter Kiss ... 25pts/gm, high volume shooter under 30% from perimeter (NOPE)
Lucas Williamson a 6'4" G shooting 40% from three, good handle able to create own shot but wilted come tournament time (NOPE)
Julian Champagnie is the better shooter of twins but just 34% from three and a poor athlete (Only if nothing better available)
Diabate 6'11" 54% shooter quick and explosive big PF/C
J Walker (Son of Samaki Waker) 14.6pts 9.4rbds/gm 46% FGP A polished shooter SF/PF
Collin Gillespi 16pts/gm a leader Pritchard like stats as a G
R Harper Jr 16pts/6rbds @ 44% FGP ... A baller & clutch in crunch time
Hugo Bessen is a scorer/shooter 14pts/gm sharpshooter catch & shoot but like Robinson in MIA not very athletic
Next 5 include Barlow (PF) and Soto (C) ...
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