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Post by petey62 on Nov 5, 2021 11:36:00 GMT -5
One more thing. Neismith >>> richardson. Why bother playing richardson? Ill also take Neismith over Tatum. He plays with heart and passion. Never seen tatum sacrificing his body for a lose ball. I dont have it against Tatum, i just see him as Meh. At least for now. HUH? cab, are you okay? Or just venting? You cannot be serious here. Right?
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 5, 2021 11:37:55 GMT -5
One more thing. Neismith >>> richardson. Why bother playing richardson? Ill also take Neismith over Tatum. He plays with heart and passion. Never seen tatum sacrificing his body for a lose ball. I dont have it against Tatum, i just see him as Meh. At least for now. Tatum had been meh, but he is still getting double and at times triple teamed! I think he's trying to get all the way to the rim, too much! He should just stop at or inside the free throw line and take the shot! Be more like Durant, take what they give you!
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 5, 2021 11:39:22 GMT -5
I honestly missed that one cab. I thought the key piece in the OKC trade was Moses Brown. After what he did against us last year, I was looking forward to an athletic 7 footer in the paint backing up RWill. I didn't think Horford had much left in the tank. (Knock on wood) Hopefully he does remain healthy but he likely won't be able to go at this pace for the entire season. We have to get another big to spell Horford. Moses would have been better than Kanter. We are lying thin with RWill there with shaky legs. Worries me. Never thought Horford had anything in him actually.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 5, 2021 11:41:03 GMT -5
One more thing. Neismith >>> richardson. Why bother playing richardson? Ill also take Neismith over Tatum. He plays with heart and passion. Never seen tatum sacrificing his body for a lose ball. I dont have it against Tatum, i just see him as Meh. At least for now. HUH? cab, are you okay? Or just venting? You cannot be serious here. Right? I have a huge problem with Tatum and I will say it again. He has no heart.. He is gifted ball player...but we know what that means right? not a good combination. I want him to show more specially for what we pay him. He should really look into working out with JB in the offseason. He needs to come up with different moves.
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Post by quagmire on Nov 5, 2021 11:41:57 GMT -5
Am I the only one who is very pissed off that Ime keeps going with Grant Williams as his 6th man! I know he is usually subbing for time lord or Al, but Grant is not a big! He gets abused repeatedly! Either put a legit big in the game (Enes or Bruno) or more likely put a hustler (Nesmith or Langford) in.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 5, 2021 11:42:31 GMT -5
Petey, dont worry, it will go away eventually. I am just being hard on the guy. I want to see more different moves.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 5, 2021 11:43:51 GMT -5
Am I the only one who is very pissed off that Ime keeps going with Grant Williams as his 6th man! I know he is usually subbing for time lord or Al, but Grant is not a big! He gets abused repeatedly! Either put a legit big in the game (Enes or Bruno) or more likely put a hustler (Nesmith or Langford) in. when I look at the roster, I am like well its Grant or who? Enes is too slow and Bruno cant hit the three. Grant has been hitting the three at least. We could upgrade that position for sure.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 5, 2021 11:45:27 GMT -5
Its Friday, I am happy for that and because we beat Miami which I hate. I hate that city and I hate that team.
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Post by petey62 on Nov 5, 2021 11:48:49 GMT -5
HUH? cab, are you okay? Or just venting? You cannot be serious here. Right? I have a huge problem with Tatum and I will say it again. He has no heart.. He is gifted ball player...but we know what that means right? not a good combination. I want him to show more specially for what we pay him. He should really look into working out with JB in the offseason. He needs to come up with different moves. I am 100% in agreement with everything you said here. In my opinion, his huge mistake was working out with Kobe a couple years ago because the one thing he needs, Kobe can't teach him. HEART and PASSION.
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 5, 2021 11:49:41 GMT -5
Am I the only one who is very pissed off that Ime keeps going with Grant Williams as his 6th man! I know he is usually subbing for time lord or Al, but Grant is not a big! He gets abused repeatedly! Either put a legit big in the game (Enes or Bruno) or more likely put a hustler (Nesmith or Langford) in. Agree, agree, agree!
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Post by petey62 on Nov 5, 2021 12:02:58 GMT -5
Petey, dont worry, it will go away eventually. I am just being hard on the guy. I want to see more different moves. The ONLY new move I've seen from Tatum this season is the baseline drive using the Euro-step towards the front of the rim for a lay in. Outside of that, I'm seeing the same JT. I heard he's one a few players averaging over 25 points (at the time he was at 25 ppg) while attempting fewer than 6 FTs per game. He basically hasn't changed his game - total reliance on the 3-point shot while doing little driving to the rim.
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 5, 2021 12:25:32 GMT -5
I have a huge problem with Tatum and I will say it again. He has no heart.. He is gifted ball player...but we know what that means right? not a good combination. I want him to show more specially for what we pay him. He should really look into working out with JB in the offseason. He needs to come up with different moves. I am 100% in agreement with everything you said here. In my opinion, his huge mistake was working out with Kobe a couple years ago because the one thing he needs, Kobe can't teach him. HEART and PASSION. I'm not a Kobe man, but this guy tore his Achilles and stayed in and shot free throws , and walked off the court, while most other players would have had to be carried off! And his last game played he dropped 50! Kobe lacked a lot of things, but heart and passion he had plenty!
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Post by petey62 on Nov 5, 2021 12:54:42 GMT -5
If only that could be taught. That heart and passion is what drives a person to be their best.
If you lack that, it's so difficult to be your very best.
You can be very good but that's based merely on your superior skillset. But that only goes so far.
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 5, 2021 13:35:57 GMT -5
Dejounte Murray is the latest example of where heart and passion could take you. Guy is just providing comparable stats to JT while having more of an impact than JT (at this moment at least... which means, Tatum with his size should technically provide the C's more.. Well JB is another example. He is having more of an impact to the C's than JT himself. Lets hope JT picks it up. He needs to. Enough of the whole "he still 19". I think we are past that now.
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Post by puddin on Nov 5, 2021 13:46:35 GMT -5
If only that could be taught. That heart and passion is what drives a person to be their best. If you lack that, it's so difficult to be your very best. You can be very good but that's based merely on your superior skillset. But that only goes so far. Heart and passion personified...
Not sure you can teach it but it can be contagious.
Why else will Smarcus always be on the floor at crunch time?
Pud
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 5, 2021 19:51:24 GMT -5
Well I see Brown has been ruled out of tomorrow's game!!
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 5, 2021 20:08:28 GMT -5
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 5, 2021 20:26:42 GMT -5
Saw that Hauser had a great first game. I hope it all works out for this guy. He seems to be a natural shooter. 🤞
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Post by Cabutan on Nov 5, 2021 20:40:12 GMT -5
whatever udoka saw or didnt see in neismith, he deserves to be ahead of Richardson. No matter what. Richardson can pick up if IF Neismith cant provide. At least thats how i see it...no excuses Udoka, play the guy
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Post by kdp59 on Nov 6, 2021 8:42:46 GMT -5
I honestly missed that one cab. I thought the key piece in the OKC trade was Moses Brown. After what he did against us last year, I was looking forward to an athletic 7 footer in the paint backing up RWill. I didn't think Horford had much left in the tank. (Knock on wood) Hopefully he does remain healthy but he likely won't be able to go at this pace for the entire season. We have to get another big to spell Horford. Thought that was why they signed kanter? except coach won't play him of course...LOL. ah well, the trade options start to open up Dec 15 i think. Not sure what Richardson, Herangomez and/or Kanter can get us, but i guess Stevens will be looking around. perhaps it's just a coincidence that the team has played two solid to great defensive games since the Smart comments or perhaps it isn't. but someone needs credit for the uptick, maybe Udoka and his obvious change to the all out switching is the key.
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Post by dfries13 on Nov 6, 2021 12:59:17 GMT -5
Hard to know what exactly transpired during the recent team meeting/dinner.
It could be that the Jays stood their ground, pushing back on criticism about their willingness to pass the ball, perhaps suggesting that TEAM DEFENSE needed to step up too. Could be!
Whatever was said, at first blush it appears that defensive efforts greatly improved.
And that's YUGE!
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Too, too early to be way out on a limb, demanding the ouster of IUD and Smarcus too.
Stay tuned!
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Ill agree it too early. We need to make a trade no one argues otherwise.. Try playing KDP and come up with a trade that fetches us something that doesn't include Smart.. Ill listen up I'm assuming the Jays are untouchable not so sure anymore Smart mouth might put Brown looking West it's obvious they arn't on friendly terms.. "Obviously, in the midst of trying to win games, it's something that we probably didn't need. Brown on Smarts remark
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Post by kyceltic on Nov 6, 2021 17:28:31 GMT -5
Hard to know what exactly transpired during the recent team meeting/dinner.
It could be that the Jays stood their ground, pushing back on criticism about their willingness to pass the ball, perhaps suggesting that TEAM DEFENSE needed to step up too. Could be!
Whatever was said, at first blush it appears that defensive efforts greatly improved.
And that's YUGE!
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Too, too early to be way out on a limb, demanding the ouster of IUD and Smarcus too.
Stay tuned!
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Ill agree it too early. We need to make a trade no one argues otherwise.. Try playing KDP and come up with a trade that fetches us something that doesn't include Smart.. Ill listen up I'm assuming the Jays are untouchable not so sure anymore Smart mouth might put Brown looking West it's obvious they arn't on friendly terms.. "Obviously, in the midst of trying to win games, it's something that we probably didn't need. Brown on Smarts remark Already in this short season, Smarcus has undermined the coach, about naming captains , saying he didn't need any captain, he could be his own captain! Got suspended from a preseason game, and called out the two best players on the team!! Maybe he's trying to get himself traded! One can always hope!
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Post by elvissurfs on Nov 6, 2021 18:53:13 GMT -5
Ill agree it too early. We need to make a trade no one argues otherwise.. Try playing KDP and come up with a trade that fetches us something that doesn't include Smart.. Ill listen up I'm assuming the Jays are untouchable not so sure anymore Smart mouth might put Brown looking West it's obvious they arn't on friendly terms.. "Obviously, in the midst of trying to win games, it's something that we probably didn't need. Brown on Smarts remark Already in this short season, Smarcus has undermined the coach, about naming captains , saying he didn't need any captain, he could be his own captain! Got suspended from a preseason game, and called out the two best players on the team!! Maybe he's trying to get himself traded! One can always hope! Lol...in your dreams kook...I say dump Tatum while his stock is high...then we can ride with the always injured Brown...
Ok, so wife is out, just my young son and myself...stirring it up...I actually have no solutions for this mess...hopes were so high a couple of seasons ago...
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