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Post by Cabutan on May 31, 2021 9:17:11 GMT -5
At this point I could care less about who stays or who goes in the offseason. But, I hope we look at adding players with a chip on their shoulders, players who wouldnt put so much emphasis in bonding with other teams players. What we witnessed last night was a team afraid of commiting a foul. Afraid of playing tough. Smart came with an offensive mentality and his efficiency in that department lasted less than a quarter. PP entered the game scared to death. We should have gone with Tremont just because he has a year more of experience than PP. We probably would still have lost but i didnt see any fight in these guys. Neismith entered too late even if we couldnt make a shot. We need grittiness. Desperately. we are soft. Bring toughness I could care less the cost of it. A tough coach would also help. Losing Morris and Baynes was bad enough. Then he traded Theis i didnt think we would miss theis as much as we did in the playoffs specially not having RW.
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2021 9:56:02 GMT -5
Losing Morris and Baynes was bad enough. Then he traded Theis i didnt think we would miss theis as much as we did in the playoffs specially not having RW.
The only positive that can come from giving Theis away is that we avoided the repeater tax and are free to overspend for the next three years before having another reset.
Ownership can and should pay the luxury tax for the right additions to the roster ... a taller defensive/assist minded PG, a "Power" forward (emphasis on power) and a stretch 4/5 in lieu of a tough guy PF.
Sexton is rumored to be getting out of Cleveland and he'd work as a scoring PG and Markkanen, a stretch 4/5 is up for grabs in Chicago. Noel had a terrific season in NY and he's a FA that could be a nice option here if either RW or TT are traded. Harrell in LA may be available for some muscle at PF. Of course trading for KAT would make the most difference at Center. Potential bargains might be found in Sacramento where they are overloaded with bigs ... Richaun Holmes would be another monster PF like Harrell but younger. Bagley III is longer and can stretch the floor more effectively than Holmes and then there's the wild card in Giles who is a friend of Tatum's with a potential high ceiling if he can stay healthy.
Those are a few players that come to mind and I'm sure there are/will be others that crop up this summer ... Ownership will have to open their wallets to preserve their investment in the franchise and ensure that Tatum & Brown don't have another season like this last one.
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Post by elvissurfs on May 31, 2021 10:13:44 GMT -5
At this point I could care less about who stays or who goes in the offseason. But, I hope we look at adding players with a chip on their shoulders, players who wouldnt put so much emphasis in bonding with other teams players. What we witnessed last night was a team afraid of commiting a foul. Afraid of playing tough. Smart came with an offensive mentality and his efficiency in that department lasted less than a quarter. PP entered the game scared to death. We should have gone with Tremont just because he has a year more of experience than PP. We probably would still have lost but i didnt see any fight in these guys. Neismith entered too late even if we couldnt make a shot. We need grittiness. Desperately. we are soft. Bring toughness I could care less the cost of it. A tough coach would also help. Losing Morris and Baynes was bad enough. Then he traded Theis Yeah, that's a lot of toughness to lose...the only guy with toughness that we have now is Smart (and maybe Brown) and most here want him to be traded...unbelievable....
To make it all worse, we lost Baynes just to give Kemba $34m/yr because evidently $29/yr wasn't enough...crap!...
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Post by puddin on May 31, 2021 10:22:46 GMT -5
Why waste a bottle of perfectly good water throwing it at KI?
Throw it at Danny Ainge instead. He signed KI after all, falling in love with "flatearth" and then got left at the altar empty-handed when Kyrie bolted.
Who knew?
As promised, here we have highlights from what I believe to be his next to last game in Celtic green.
If Danny stays.... I expect that Smarcus is history.
Knowing DA, he will get little of value beyond a few low draft picks.
Pud
He didn't sign KI, he traded for him. Big difference I stand corrected.
KI was "traded" to Beantown for IT, Jae Clam Chowder, Anton Zizic and a Brooklyn unprotected 1st Round Pick.
Hmmmm... this makes DA's "trade" look even worse, considering that DA ended up jilted!
We surely could have used Crowder's toughness/defensive presence coming off the bench these past few seasons.
Pud
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Post by elvissurfs on May 31, 2021 10:24:42 GMT -5
Yep, Jae Crowder was another tough guy we lost...dang, the list goes on...
But I do think most thought that getting Kyrie was going to put us over the top...that it was a good trade...
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 10:34:11 GMT -5
He didn't sign KI, he traded for him. Big difference I stand corrected.
KI was "traded" to Beantown for IT, Jae Clam Chowder, Anton Zizic and a Brooklyn unprotected 1st Round Pick.
Hmmmm... this makes DA's "trade" look even worse, considering that DA ended up jilted!
We surely could have used Crowder's toughness/defensive presence coming off the bench these past few seasons.
Pud
Ainge gets a lot of rope here from the cheerleaders Soon he will hang himself.. Bottom line.. It's unlikely few if any good players want to come to Boston or that many teams are anxious to talk to Ainge.. Ya think Brown and Tatum are happy here? My guess is at least one will want out soon.. Now were asking WYC to spend even more money? I would rather see it go to one of his charities than to Ainge...
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 10:39:53 GMT -5
Ha Pud. I'm retired. Smoke reefer every day.. Marlboros too. Might eat a shroom if i find some.... How sis working out? I send some food down I95 ..
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Post by Cabutan on May 31, 2021 11:04:42 GMT -5
Yep, Jae Crowder was another tough guy we lost...dang, the list goes on...
But I do think most thought that getting Kyrie was going to put us over the top...that it was a good trade...
crowder was soft as fk. All he did was stand behind the 3 to brick them all. Dont miss him one bit
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Post by solly on May 31, 2021 11:14:20 GMT -5
Yep, Jae Crowder was another tough guy we lost...dang, the list goes on...
But I do think most thought that getting Kyrie was going to put us over the top...that it was a good trade...
Losing the tough guys at the end of the day, wouldn’t matter or make this a great team.
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2021 11:35:03 GMT -5
He didn't sign KI, he traded for him. Big difference I stand corrected.
KI was "traded" to Beantown for IT, Jae Clam Chowder, Anton Zizic and a Brooklyn unprotected 1st Round Pick.
Hmmmm... this makes DA's "trade" look even worse, considering that DA ended up jilted!
We surely could have used Crowder's toughness/defensive presence coming off the bench these past few seasons.
Pud
You opened the door for this post ... btw, you forgot the "2" 2nd round picks as well.
Why did Kyrie Irving leave the Celtics? How Boston disappointment led to Nets signing in 2019 free agencyWritten By Jacob Camenker
(Getty Images)For the first time since leaving the Celtics during the summer of 2019, Kyrie Irving is returning to the TD Garden and will play in front of fans. During the 2019-20 season with the Nets, Irving was inactive for both of the games he played in Boston, as he dealt with a shoulder injury that plagued him throughout the year. This year, he played the Nets' lone New England road game on Christmas Day, but due to the COVID-19 pandemic, there were no fans in attendance at the game. Now, Irving will finally get to play in front of an arena full of Celtics fans in Games 3 and 4 of the series. On Friday, he'll play in front of a stadium at 25 percent capacity. After that, it can expand to 100 percent, as the state of Massachusetts lifts its COVID restrictions. Irving will surely be booed heartily in his return to Boston after the way that he exited the team. But why exactly did Irving leave the Celtics? And why did Boston fans take his departure so hard? Here's everything you need to know about Irving's tumultuous final year with the Celtics. Why did Kyrie Irving leave the Celtics for the Nets?
Irving left the Celtics because he wanted to return closer to his New Jersey home. He confirmed as much in his 2019 media day availability with the Nets, and his decision to leave was influenced by the passing of his grandfather early in the 2018-19 NBA season.
"After he passed, basketball was the last thing on my mind," Irving said. "A lot of basketball and the joy I had from it was sucked away from me. There was a facial expression that I carried around with me throughout the year. Didn’t allow anyone to get close to me in that instance, and it really bothered me.
"I didn’t take the necessary steps to get counseling or get therapy or anything to deal with someone that close to me dying. I've never dealt with anything like that, so, for me, I responded in ways that were uncharacteristic, and I had to acknowledge that fact."
Irving did talk to the Celtics about the issue and he expressed a desire to re-sign. However, after reflecting more on his grandfather's death and how basketball prevented Irving from seeing him before his passing, his thought process started to shift.
"I talked to Danny [Ainge] and I wanted to re-sign. So throughout the year, it started becoming more and more clear that my relationship within my home life had a way higher precedence than the organization or anyone," Irving said.
"Throughout that year, [things] just became rocky and a lot of the battles I thought I could battle through from that team environment, I just wasn't ready for. I failed those guys in a sense that I didn't give them everything that I could have during that season, especially with the pieces that we had."
After the disappointing season, Irving made the exit that he had been building to and went to play for the Nets. That allowed him an opportunity to play closer to home and also gave him the luxury of playing alongside Kevin Durant, who also signed with Brooklyn. It also paired him with another veteran leader that had a history of championship-level success.
That took some of the pressure that he "just wasn't ready for" off the table.
Timeline of Kyrie Irving's departure from the Celtics
Before Irving's final season in Boston, he committed to remaining with the team at an Oct. 4 preseason fan event.
“If you guys will have me back, I plan on re-signing here,” Irving said to the Boston crowd, per NBA.com.
The next day, Irving continued to praise the Celtics for "taking a chance" on him and that he enjoyed playing in Boston.
"I'm happy here," Irving said, per ESPN. "Every single day is at an all-time competitive high. What more can you ask for from an organization than taking a chance as far as getting me out of Cleveland? Really taking a chance regardless of whether I signed back or not."
"They had the same attitude. They just wanted to show me what being a Celtic is about, and that I was going to come around, and I absolutely did. I believe in it. I believe in the franchise."
And then, Irving commented that he wanted to see his jersey in the TD Garden rafters one day along with the retired numbers of other Celtics greats.
"I have every intention of signing with Boston next year. I do have a dream of putting my No. 11 in the rafters one day if I'm so blessed to do that," Irving said, per NBC Sports Boston. "I've worked my tail off, obviously a lot of great players have come before me, but to throw my name in Boston Celtics tradition and history is something I'm glad I can do. And I'm planning on doing so."
However, as the season went along, there appeared to be growing tension within the Celtics team and frustration on Irving's part. That came to a head after a Jan. 2019 game against the Magic after Gordon Hayward gave a late-game inbounds pass to Jayson Tatum to try to let the then-rookie win the game. Irving didn't take kindly to that and screamed at Hayward after the play.
Irving apparently wanted a chance at the last shot, or at least to touch the ball. And after the Celtics' loss, he spoke about the team's lack of experience and how he differed from his teammates.
"The best thing I can say is experience, we're lacking it and because of that we have a lot of learning to do, so we have a lot of ground to make up in that aspect. You know, it gets tough. When it gets hard, you have to think. You have to do the right things. You can't gamble and think that it's going to be the winning play. You have to be able to play through the full 48 minutes, no matter what's going on and hold your head high when you make mistakes," Irving said, per WEEI. "When your job is called upon, you have to do it to the best of your ability. You have to come in and make an impact for the minutes that you're playing out there.
"You have to appreciate to be out there and just competing. It doesn't matter who you're going against, it matters the type of preparation you have -- what you're going out and trying to accomplish. What's the big picture? What are we doing here? These are a lot of things that I don't think that some of my teammates have faced just every single day. It's not easy to be great."
Shortly thereafter, Irving walked back on his desire to rejoin the Celtics. Per NBC Sports Boston, here's what he said on Feb. 1, 2019, three weeks after the Orlando game.
"At the end of the day, I’m going to do what’s best for my career," Irving said. "I spent the last eight years trying to do what everyone else wanted me to do -- managers, other personnel — and I don't owe anybody s—.
"I still have confidence in Boston and what they can promise for the future and what we have in terms of pieces. That’s what excited me at the beginning of the season."
"... It’s my decision at the end of the day. Who cares who said what’s best for him, like, it doesn’t matter. It’s unwarranted commentary, and of course it’s going to continue throughout the season. I’m aware of that. I’m a professional, I’m not going to disrespect anybody but like I said, it really comes down to what’s best for me and my family."
That comment was marked a major shift in Irving's tenor and seemed to indicate that he was thinking about — if not, planning to — leave the Celtics.
Later that month at the NBA All-Star Game, Irving had a discussion with Kevin Durant, who was then on the Warriors. There was plenty of speculation about what the two were discussing — perhaps a team up in Brooklyn — but after being asked about it, Irving said that he was merely talking to one of his best friends.
“I don’t have a private life when I’m out there in the NBA,” Irving said, per The Boston Globe. “Somebody wants to take a video, it is what it is. Pour water on [the speculation]? I’m a human being talking to another best friend of mine. It’s just crazy.
“This is the stuff that just doesn’t make the league fun. Nobody helps promote the league by doing [expletive] like that. Just fictitious, putting things on like what we’re talking about, it’s crazy. I guess that’s what you want, huh?”
Irving's future remained in doubt for the rest of the season. The Celtics continued to stumble along until the Eastern Conference Semifinals against the Bucks. Irving shot 25-for-83 over their final four games of the season against Milwaukee, each losses, and that marked the end of the season.
Then, of course, Irving signed with the Nets in free agency and completed an exit that went from improbable to expected in a matter of months.
What did the Celtics trade for Kyrie Irving?
The Celtics acquired Kyrie Irving from the Cavaliers on Aug. 30, 2017, in a four-player deal. Boston sent three players and three draft picks to get the All-Star point guard.
Here's a look at the details of the trade:
Celtics acquire:
PG Kyrie Irving
Cavaliers acquire:
PG Isaiah Thomas SF/PF Jae Crowder C Ante Zizic 2018 first-round draft pick (Nets) Two 2020 second-round picks
That first-round pick that the Cavaliers acquired became point guard Collin Sexton, who averaged 24.3 points, 4.4 assists and 3.1 rebounds per game this year for the Cavaliers.
The original framework of the deal had only one second-round pick going Cleveland's way, but after they came away from Isaiah Thomas' physical discouraged with what it showed, Boston agreed to send another pick their way. Thomas had suffered a hip injury the previous season and had surgery to repair the issue.
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Post by puddin on May 31, 2021 11:40:20 GMT -5
Yep, Jae Crowder was another tough guy we lost...dang, the list goes on...
But I do think most thought that getting Kyrie was going to put us over the top...that it was a good trade...
Losing the tough guys at the end of the day, wouldn’t matter or make this a great team. Hanging on to the "tough guys" will make for a competitive team I'm proud to support, win/lose/draw so it does matter to me.
Pud
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Post by Cabutan on May 31, 2021 11:47:04 GMT -5
Yep, Jae Crowder was another tough guy we lost...dang, the list goes on...
But I do think most thought that getting Kyrie was going to put us over the top...that it was a good trade...
Losing the tough guys at the end of the day, wouldn’t matter or make this a great team. haaa thats quite funny.
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Post by Cabutan on May 31, 2021 11:47:59 GMT -5
Losing the tough guys at the end of the day, wouldn’t matter or make this a great team. Hanging on to the "tough guys" will make for a competitive team I'm proud to support, win/lose/draw so it does matter to me.
Pud
in basketball toughness works because it is part of the sport, of a winning attitude. This solly is clueless.
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Post by sfbosfan on May 31, 2021 12:01:55 GMT -5
I always liked Durant …not anymore! I felt he was close to coming to Boston as he was courted by us and Tom Brady, especially , & I felt he would have liked more of a challenge than the slam dunk ring with GS. I felt like KG had never won a title but he still chose Boston as a challenge to do it and I wished Durant had too. But, I guess, a bit frustrated, and it’s an enigma to me that OKC once had Harden, Durant & Westbrook & then only Durant & Westbrook(still formidable) and still couldn’t win. The Warriors were not their downfall at that time…it was the Spurs…and their twin towers, Duncan & Robinson !!!
Thus, Durant going with GS and getting a ring was more important than a true challenge. And, we would have won the title with Durant and our young talent without Irving and maybe have kept Thomas. I wish too we had gone after Kawhi Leonard instead of Gordon Hayward(even if he didn’t get hurt).
Durant now on his way to another relatively easy ring. Dunno, maybe Philly or Mil will knock them off but if they need play the Lakers, alas I’ll root for them.
Beating us is no challenge. If I beat someone 6-1,6-2 in tennis and I know I am much better, I get no joy. I like the competition of beating someone who could beat me.
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Post by solly on May 31, 2021 12:04:29 GMT -5
Hanging on to the "tough guys" will make for a competitive team I'm proud to support, win/lose/draw so it does matter to me.
Pud
in basketball toughness works because it is part of the sport, of a winning attitude. This solly is clueless. m It’s good to have a few of them, but when they don’t have any skill it’s meaningless. Look at the 2016 1 seed Celtics. They’ll make you proud of them, but they’ll lose 100% of the time in the playoffs
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Post by solly on May 31, 2021 12:14:44 GMT -5
Losing the tough guys at the end of the day, wouldn’t matter or make this a great team. Hanging on to the "tough guys" will make for a competitive team I'm proud to support, win/lose/draw so it does matter to me.
Pud
The 2016 Celtics must’ve been your favorite
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 31, 2021 12:29:14 GMT -5
He didn't sign KI, he traded for him. Big difference I stand corrected.
KI was "traded" to Beantown for IT, Jae Clam Chowder, Anton Zizic and a Brooklyn unprotected 1st Round Pick.
Hmmmm... this makes DA's "trade" look even worse, considering that DA ended up jilted!
We surely could have used Crowder's toughness/defensive presence coming off the bench these past few seasons.
Pud
In hindsight it was a bad trade. Disagree on Crowder. He's replaceable, and much like Smart on offense. I'd rather have Romeo and Nesmith over Crowder right now. He took a lot of bad shots...........
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Post by elvissurfs on May 31, 2021 12:35:13 GMT -5
I always liked Durant …not anymore! I felt he was close to coming to Boston as he was courted by us and Tom Brady, especially , & I felt he would have liked more of a challenge than the slam dunk ring with GS. I felt like KG had never won a title but he still chose Boston as a challenge to do it and I wished Durant had too. But, I guess, a bit frustrated, and it’s an enigma to me that OKC once had Harden, Durant & Westbrook & then only Durant & Westbrook(still formidable) and still couldn’t win. The Warriors were not their downfall at that time…it was the Spurs…and their twin towers, Duncan & Robinson !!! Thus, Durant going with GS and getting a ring was more important than a true challenge. And, we would have won the title with Durant and our young talent without Irving and maybe have kept Thomas. I wish too we had gone after Kawhi Leonard instead of Gordon Hayward(even if he didn’t get hurt). Durant now on his way to another relatively easy ring. Dunno, maybe Philly or Mil will knock them off but if they need play the Lakers, alas I’ll root for them. Beating us is no challenge. If I beat someone 6-1,6-2 in tennis and I know I am much better, I get no joy. I like the competition of beating someone who could beat me. I used to hype Durant too...best in the league, more talented and skillful than the king of bullyball...LeBron...but him part of this three in NY makes me ill...if it is the Lakers vs. Nets in the finals, I don't think I would even watch!...
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Post by solly on May 31, 2021 12:44:56 GMT -5
I stand corrected.
KI was "traded" to Beantown for IT, Jae Clam Chowder, Anton Zizic and a Brooklyn unprotected 1st Round Pick.
Hmmmm... this makes DA's "trade" look even worse, considering that DA ended up jilted!
We surely could have used Crowder's toughness/defensive presence coming off the bench these past few seasons.
Pud
In hindsight it was a bad trade. Disagree on Crowder. He's replaceable, and much like Smart on offense. I'd rather have Romeo and Nesmith over Crowder right now. He took a lot of bad shots........... The trade was great at the time. Had the chance to get a great player to mix in the group for untalented players. Didn’t work out. All those fringe guys like crowder etc....can be replaced at any moment. There’s a million jae crowders in the nba
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2021 15:18:00 GMT -5
Kyrie related posts have been moved to the "Kyrie Extra" thread.
Trade & FA Ideas has been moved to a new "Ideas" thread under "Hot Topics."
Keep the faith guys ... all is not lost, Y-E-T.
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Post by elvissurfs on May 31, 2021 16:20:28 GMT -5
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Post by elvissurfs on May 31, 2021 16:34:29 GMT -5
Sox down 0-4 in the 5th...B's on at 7:30 eastern...our next best bet for a title...
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Post by DaCeltics on May 31, 2021 20:00:08 GMT -5
I'd like to see him try that when KG was here!
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Post by elvissurfs on May 31, 2021 20:18:28 GMT -5
Yeah, pretty messed up...evidently the POS is racist towards the Irish...scum...
When my ancestors arrived here they were met with signs that said 'Irish need not apply'...my brother has this posted in his office...
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2021 21:10:58 GMT -5
B's tied it up 3-3 with about 5 mins to go in P3 ... unless something happens, another OT
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