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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 14, 2021 12:01:12 GMT -5
With the play making of Brown Tatum Teague and Pritchard, scoring and playmaking is not a deficiency.
These are Kembas strengths. We now have an abundance.
We need 1. Bigger bigs = Vooch and AG 2. More rebounding = Vooch and AG 3. Better offensive skill from our bigs = Vooch and AG 4. We need better passing from our bigs = Vooch and AG 5. Better outside shooters= Redick,Ball,AG and Vooch 6. Better PG defensive versatility, shooting & passing= Lonzo Ball
So we need Vooch and AG more than we need Kemba Walker, Marcus Smart, or any big we currently have and any bench player that we have.
3 team trade that works financially.
Boston- Vooch,AG,Redick,Lonzo
Orl- Kemba, TPE, (however many picks it takes)
Pels- Smart,Aminu,Theis,(couple picks)
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Post by fierce on Jan 14, 2021 12:05:00 GMT -5
Re the TPE clubs will want value coming back. Right now the least expensive talent with upside is Pritchard. I'm thinking he'd be in the asking price somewhere. That's why I don't think it's wise to target guys like Aaron Gordon. The ideal for the TPE is for someone for the TPE and a draft pick. I think a guy like Thad Young is more realistic. Or if the Kings want to dump Harrison Barnes' contract, Celts can offer the TPE and a pick.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 14, 2021 12:06:07 GMT -5
I would have to say we don't really need Redick now that Pritchard is hitting so many threes.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 14, 2021 12:07:12 GMT -5
Re the TPE clubs will want value coming back. Right now the least expensive talent with upside is Pritchard. I'm thinking he'd be in the asking price somewhere. That's why I don't think it's wise to target guys like Aaron Gordon. The ideal for the TPE is for someone for the TPE and a draft pick. I think a guy like Thad Young is more realistic. Or if the Kings want to dump Harrison Barnes' contract, Celts can offer the TPE and a pick. So you are suggesting we just throw the TPE away? Thad Young is a has been.
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Post by fierce on Jan 14, 2021 12:08:36 GMT -5
With the play making of Brown Tatum Teague and Pritchard, scoring and playmaking is not a deficiency. These are Kembas strengths. We now have an abundance. We need 1. Bigger bigs = Vooch and AG 2. More rebounding = Vooch and AG 3. Better offensive skill from our bigs = Vooch and AG 4. We need better passing from our bigs = Vooch and AG 5. Better outside shooters= Redick,Ball,AG and Vooch 6. Better PG defensive versatility, shooting & passing= Lonzo Ball So we need Vooch and AG more than we need Kemba Walker, Marcus Smart, or any big we currently have and any bench player that we have. 3 team trade that works financially. Boston- Vooch,AG,Redick,Lonzo Orl- Kemba, TPE, (however many picks it takes) Pels- Smart,Aminu,Theis,(couple picks) Orlando will not want Kemba because they just gave Fultz a big contract.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 14, 2021 12:09:21 GMT -5
Everybody's fascinated with going small Fierce!
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 14, 2021 12:10:22 GMT -5
They also know that Kemba knows how to lead a borderline playoff team.
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Post by fierce on Jan 14, 2021 12:12:03 GMT -5
That's why I don't think it's wise to target guys like Aaron Gordon. The ideal for the TPE is for someone for the TPE and a draft pick. I think a guy like Thad Young is more realistic. Or if the Kings want to dump Harrison Barnes' contract, Celts can offer the TPE and a pick. So you are suggesting we just throw the TPE away? Thad Young is a has been. Celts already have 3 scorers in Tatum, Brown, and Kemba. The Centers are good enough because what the Celts from the Center position is rebounding and defense. Vooch is a Center that would've been a good fit a couple of seasons ago. Thad Young is a role player. He's better than GWill and Semi. Right now it's very clear the PF position is the weakness of the Celts. And the TPE won't go to waste because Thad's salary is only 13.5m, so Celts can still use 15m out of the 28.5m.
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Post by fierce on Jan 14, 2021 12:14:42 GMT -5
Everybody's fascinated with going small Fierce! Not this season. Lots of big men got good money in free-agency this season. Mason Plumlee is one example. The trend right now is go big.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 14, 2021 12:15:21 GMT -5
Version 2
Boston - Vooch, AG, Ball
Pels- Theis, Cole Anthony
Orl- Kemba, TPE and picks
I like this version better!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jan 14, 2021 12:16:51 GMT -5
Fultz is out for the year, so perhaps if we can move Kemba to another team, and trade a guy on a one year deal to ORL it might work
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 14, 2021 12:17:45 GMT -5
Orlando would have to be in the money saving and rebuilding mindset for this to go through though.
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Post by fierce on Jan 14, 2021 12:18:38 GMT -5
They also know that Kemba knows how to lead a borderline playoff team. That's just not happening. Vooch for Kemba doesn't help both the Celts and Magic. Besides Fultz, Orlando also has Cole Anthony at the PG spot. And Vooch is not a defensive Center. Right now a cheap option would be PJ Tucker. RWill is making progress, so there's really no need for another Center.
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Post by fierce on Jan 14, 2021 12:19:57 GMT -5
Orlando would have to be in the money saving and rebuilding mindset for this to go through though. And like hedley said, Orlando is a playoff team. They won't blow it up this season.
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Post by fierce on Jan 14, 2021 12:21:54 GMT -5
Fultz is out for the year, so perhaps if we can move Kemba to another team, and trade a guy on a one year deal to ORL it might work Why trade Kemba when he's one of the best scorers in the NBA? Remember the Kemba that averaged 24.3 ppg against the Sixers in the 1st round? Celts just won't get equal value for Kemba right now. Might as well keep Kemba.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 14, 2021 12:22:02 GMT -5
Version 2 Boston - Vooch, AG, Ball Pels- Theis, Cole Anthony Orl- Kemba, TPE and picks I like this version better! Trey Waters and Carsen Edwards can also go to ORL in this trade.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 14, 2021 12:23:16 GMT -5
They also know that Kemba knows how to lead a borderline playoff team. That's just not happening. Vooch for Kemba doesn't help both the Celts and Magic. Besides Fultz, Orlando also has Cole Anthony at the PG spot. And Vooch is not a defensive Center. Right now a cheap option would be PJ Tucker. RWill is making progress, so there's really no need for another Center. He's a defensive center in that he rebounds the ball that is the completion of defense. He makes us better at scoring which has been our major problem defense has not been our problem.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 14, 2021 12:30:49 GMT -5
Version 3
Boston - Vooch, AG, Lonzo, Birch
Pels- Theis, Edwards, Waters, picks
Orl- Kemba,Semi, TPE, picks
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Post by fierce on Jan 14, 2021 12:36:44 GMT -5
That's just not happening. Vooch for Kemba doesn't help both the Celts and Magic. Besides Fultz, Orlando also has Cole Anthony at the PG spot. And Vooch is not a defensive Center. Right now a cheap option would be PJ Tucker. RWill is making progress, so there's really no need for another Center. He's a defensive center in that he rebounds the ball that is the completion of defense. He makes us better at scoring which has been our major problem defense has not been our problem. Good rebounding does not equal good defense. If that's the case then Kanter would've been the perfect Center for the Cs. Scoring is not a problem for the Celts right now. Celts are averaging 113 ppg. The problem with the Celts is when the ball lands in the hands of GWill or Semi. Also, right now defense has not been a problem because TT and Theis are very good on defense. When you replace those two with Vooch, it doesn't mean the defense will be as good. Vooch is just not as good as TT and Theis on defense.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 14, 2021 12:42:39 GMT -5
He's a defensive center in that he rebounds the ball that is the completion of defense. He makes us better at scoring which has been our major problem defense has not been our problem. Good rebounding does not equal good defense. If that's the case then Kanter would've been the perfect Center for the Cs. Scoring is not a problem for the Celts right now. Celts are averaging 113 ppg. The problem with the Celts is when the ball lands in the hands of GWill or Semi. Also, right now defense has not been a problem because TT and Theis are very good on defense. When you replace those two with Vooch, it doesn't mean the defense will be as good. Vooch is just not as good as TT and Theis on defense. No argument there at all. But I like the fact that he can rebound just as well and knock down 10 times as many three pointers and free throws. Also you can dump it down to him and he can get a score.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 14, 2021 12:44:32 GMT -5
Khem Birch is like a top notch role player!
Who knew?!!!
Like that 6-9 Michael Cage back in the day!
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Post by fierce on Jan 14, 2021 12:45:38 GMT -5
Lonzo is also not impressive this season.
He's only averaging 12.4 ppg and 4.4 apg in 33.4 minutes per game.
And his shooting % is bad, 39.5% FG, 30.8% 3pt FG, and 60% FT.
Smart is shooting better from 3, 36.2% and averaging more assists per game, 6.4 apg.
Lonzo also has not played a single playoff game.
Right now Celts are better having Smart than Lonzo.
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Post by fierce on Jan 14, 2021 12:48:17 GMT -5
Good rebounding does not equal good defense. If that's the case then Kanter would've been the perfect Center for the Cs. Scoring is not a problem for the Celts right now. Celts are averaging 113 ppg. The problem with the Celts is when the ball lands in the hands of GWill or Semi. Also, right now defense has not been a problem because TT and Theis are very good on defense. When you replace those two with Vooch, it doesn't mean the defense will be as good. Vooch is just not as good as TT and Theis on defense. No argument there at all. But I like the fact that he can rebound just as well and knock down 10 times as many three pointers and free throws. Also you can dump it down to him and he can get a score. True. But with the salary that Vooch has, it's not practical. Celts are doing well in rebounds this season. And Theis and TT are doing enough on offense. I think the PF position should be the #1 priority.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 14, 2021 12:52:52 GMT -5
Lonzo is also not impressive this season. He's only averaging 12.4 ppg and 4.4 apg in 33.4 minutes per game. And his shooting % is bad, 39.5% FG, 30.8% 3pt FG, and 60% FT. Smart is shooting better from 3, 36.2% and averaging more assists per game, 6.4 apg. Lonzo also has not played a single playoff game. Right now Celts are better having Smart than Lonzo. Only my first version has Smart being traded. That was to match the salary for Redick. Versions two and three have us keeping Smart & adding Lonzo.
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Post by DaCeltics on Jan 14, 2021 12:54:40 GMT -5
No argument there at all. But I like the fact that he can rebound just as well and knock down 10 times as many three pointers and free throws. Also you can dump it down to him and he can get a score. True. But with the salary that Vooch has, it's not practical. Celts are doing well in rebounds this season. And Theis and TT are doing enough on offense. I think the PF position should be the #1 priority. Keeping that salary slot is also a high priority. Vooch takes the salary slot vacated by Hayward. But his next contract if we decide to keep him will not require as much.
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