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Post by Admin on Oct 11, 2020 2:55:33 GMT -5
The Biggest Offseason Questions for the Nuggets and Celtics Both Denver and Boston had young squads that overdelivered this season with feel-good playoff runs. Which one is better positioned to take the next step and reach the Finals in 2021? A pivotal offseason awaits. By Haley O'Shaughnessy
Boston Celtics
Record: 48-24 (third in Eastern Conference, beat Philadelphia 4-0, beat Toronto 4-3, lost to Miami 4-2)
2020 NBA draft picks: 14, 26, 30, 47
Pending free agents: Gordon Hayward and Enes Kanter (player option); Brad Wanamaker (unrestricted); Tremont Waters and Tacko Fall (restricted); Semi Ojeleye (team option) What Does Jayson Tatum Need to Thrive?
A new contract, for one. Tatum is eligible this offseason for a five-year maximum extension that would begin in 2021-22 worth approximately 28 percent of Boston’s salary cap. I don’t know how high or low or really low the cap—calculated by the previous season’s revenue—will be next year. ESPN’s Bobby Marks predicts that a new deal for Tatum could be worth $158 million. The numbers are less important than the general idea: The years that Danny Ainge spent calling other GMs late at night speaking only the words “asset” and “future first” until they were convinced a deal with Ainge was the best for all involved—reader, it was best for Boston—manifested into Tatum. The 22-year-old is the one they waited for and traded for, and the sooner he’s promised his prime to Brad Stevens, the better the city will sleep.
Has Tatum thought about his possible extension? “That’s a tough question to answer,” he told reporters on Sunday. “I haven’t even thought about that yet.” (Again, it could be nearly $160 million. I, too, would forget about the prospect of such a miniscule paycheck.) “I was just focused on this season. As you guys know, it’s a process. The front office and my agent are going to talk. I’m not thinking about that right now.” It hadn’t occurred to me that either side would hesitate until reading the hedging done by reporters; ESPN’s Brian Windhorst said Boston will “most likely” offer Tatum the max, while NBC Sports’ A. Sherrod Blakely said Tatum would be “leaning towards” OK’ing the deal. If the front office is seen as competent, as Boston’s is, and the coach is seen as capable, as Stevens is, and the money is right—meh, $158 million will suffice—there’s really no better pitch for a young player looking for his first big payday.
Unless Tatum is looking to leverage his extension to play with a stronger supporting cast in Boston. Targeting better frontcourt pieces is essential, but it’d be uncharacteristically impulsive for Ainge to make a dramatic change after making the Eastern Conference finals ahead of schedule. With the rate that Tatum and 23-year-old Jaylen Brown have improved, Boston should be able bear another year of incremental development and cohesion with Kemba Walker and Gordon Hayward. (Assuming Hayward exercises his player option for $34 million. Wilder things have happened in 2020.) Though after so many injuries with the Celtics, Hayward moves gingerly—sometimes, probably, because of a lingering ankle issue, and sometimes because of the mental confidence block that follows snapping your bone and cartilage—and the star forward they paid for has since been rendered just a role player.
Besides re-signing Tatum, Boston has to find a multidimensional big who can stretch into the center position. The roster never properly replaced Al Horford’s voice, but Boston did find success with a small-ball lineup late in the playoffs. Each current center option comes with distinct shortcomings, a positional vulnerability that should be addressed before the Celtics find themselves in a playoff series against Giannis Antetokounmpo and the Bucks, Joel Embiid and the Sixers, or Bam Adebayo and the Heat once again. While we’re here: The prospect of facing a reloaded Raptors team or the Kevin Durant–Kyrie Irving Nets next season is enough for the Celtics to savor how far they came this go-round.
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Post by elvissurfs on Oct 11, 2020 9:36:19 GMT -5
Posted by Fierce on the last game thread...I love the idea of trading Kemba to the Knicks...and Hayward extending for three years at a team friendly price...
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So both hedley and ky are leaning towards trading Smart and keeping Kemba. Reason why I want Kemba traded for the 8th pick is so that the Celts can use the 8th pick as trade bait. It also opens up some cap space by removing Kemba's contract. Hayward must then opt out and agree to a smaller contract with a longer duration. In this scenario, the Celts will keep both Smart and Hayward in the staring lineup and the Celts can now trade for a guy like Myles Turner. Turner Tatum Hayward Brown Smart No more midget the opposing team can exploit.
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Post by cole on Oct 11, 2020 10:03:29 GMT -5
Posted by Fierce on the last game thread...I love the idea of trading Kemba to the Knicks...and Hayward extending for three years at a team friendly price...
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So both hedley and ky are leaning towards trading Smart and keeping Kemba. Reason why I want Kemba traded for the 8th pick is so that the Celts can use the 8th pick as trade bait. It also opens up some cap space by removing Kemba's contract. Hayward must then opt out and agree to a smaller contract with a longer duration. In this scenario, the Celts will keep both Smart and Hayward in the staring lineup and the Celts can now trade for a guy like Myles Turner. Turner Tatum Hayward Brown Smart No more midget the opposing team can exploit. Wouldn't we have to take a lot of salary match players?
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Post by kyceltic on Oct 11, 2020 10:10:18 GMT -5
So both hedley and ky are leaning towards trading Smart and keeping Kemba. Reason why I want Kemba traded for the 8th pick is so that the Celts can use the 8th pick as trade bait. It also opens up some cap space by removing Kemba's contract. Hayward must then opt out and agree to a smaller contract with a longer duration. In this scenario, the Celts will keep both Smart and Hayward in the staring lineup and the Celts can now trade for a guy like Myles Turner. Turner Tatum Hayward Brown Smart No more midget the opposing team can exploit. What are we gonna trade for Turner, our picks?
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Post by hedleylamarr on Oct 11, 2020 10:43:24 GMT -5
So both hedley and ky are leaning towards trading Smart and keeping Kemba. Reason why I want Kemba traded for the 8th pick is so that the Celts can use the 8th pick as trade bait. It also opens up some cap space by removing Kemba's contract. Hayward must then opt out and agree to a smaller contract with a longer duration. In this scenario, the Celts will keep both Smart and Hayward in the staring lineup and the Celts can now trade for a guy like Myles Turner. Turner Tatum Hayward Brown Smart No more midget the opposing team can exploit. What are we gonna trade for Turner, our picks? The rumored trade is Hayward and picks for Turner and Oladipo........
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Post by hedleylamarr on Oct 11, 2020 10:43:58 GMT -5
Jimmy Butler is abusing everyone in these playoffs............even AD and LeBron
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Post by hedleylamarr on Oct 11, 2020 10:45:25 GMT -5
Even in a weak draft, these are all speculations. If it's a weak draft, why do we want the #8 pick? If anything, if any rumors are true, I would say trade Smart to GSW for the #2 pick, then dangle that............
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Post by hedleylamarr on Oct 11, 2020 10:46:23 GMT -5
The proposed trade, as I understand it, is sending Hayward home to IND, with picks, for Oladipo and Turner.
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Post by elvissurfs on Oct 11, 2020 11:19:36 GMT -5
The proposed trade, as I understand it, is sending Hayward home to IND, with picks, for Oladipo and Turner. Except Hayward aint going anywhere...that is like thinking we were going to get AD here...was not going to and will never happen...
I do like the idea of trading Kemba to the Knicks for thier pick...but Cole brought up a good point, do we have to take on other players to match in salary?...
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Post by elvissurfs on Oct 11, 2020 11:21:02 GMT -5
OT - Pats game postponed again, no Monday afternoon game...
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Post by kyceltic on Oct 11, 2020 11:34:11 GMT -5
What are we gonna trade for Turner, our picks? The rumored trade is Hayward and picks for Turner and Oladipo........ I would think we'd have to give them Smart and Hayward and picks, for this trade to happen!
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Post by kyceltic on Oct 11, 2020 11:36:00 GMT -5
Even in a weak draft, these are all speculations. If it's a weak draft, why do we want the #8 pick? If anything, if any rumors are true, I would say trade Smart to GSW for the #2 pick, then dangle that............ I'd do the 8th pick for Smart, but not for Kemba!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 13:12:57 GMT -5
Then why keep him. For his salary and 6th man role, trade him to get better fitting pieces. Just that Lonzo has signed with Klutch Sports. So keeping him beyond 1-year may be tough. All Lonzo is, is another guy who can't shoot, we have enough of those! That is why my original proposal was Lonzo for Wannamaker. Not trade but a replacement. But the discussion got side tracked into Lonzo with starters.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Oct 11, 2020 13:17:05 GMT -5
The proposed trade, as I understand it, is sending Hayward home to IND, with picks, for Oladipo and Turner. Except Hayward aint going anywhere...that is like thinking we were going to get AD here...was not going to and will never happen...
I do like the idea of trading Kemba to the Knicks for thier pick...but Cole brought up a good point, do we have to take on other players to match in salary?...
Yes we would. That is why this can't happen, either
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Post by Admin on Oct 11, 2020 13:18:26 GMT -5
I've advocated a trade of Kemba awhile now but just can't see Danny betraying him (not knowing what was said when he aquired him in the trade with NC) after replacing KI so quickly with KW.
Doing so solves cap issues, hole filling and defensive liability issues (even though Kemba's been better than expected sans playoffs) ... but Knicks won't work due to salary matching as already said. Beal would be nice but Kemba & Wall doesn't work. Detroit? Sacramento?
I like the idea of redoing Hayward's contract as a FA after opting out. That could work.
I have reservations regarding Turner ... Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Turner didn't fare so well in Olympic competition and I can't see that combo being any better vs NBA play.
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Post by kyceltic on Oct 11, 2020 13:23:25 GMT -5
Jimmy Butler is abusing everyone in these playoffs............even AD and LeBron He is, and I hope he keeps it up!
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Post by Admin on Oct 11, 2020 14:35:55 GMT -5
Celtics Draft: 3 prospects who could help the Cs right away by Mark Nilon
... here are 3 draft prospects we believe could help the Boston Celtics right away come the start of next season:
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Draft prospect No. 1) Devin Vassell, SF, Florida State
One of the biggest weaknesses the Boston Celtics must address this offseason is their putrid scoring punch off the pine and, more specifically, adding shooters for their high-volume drive-and-kick system.
On the year, the C’s second-unit finished 28th in the league in 3-point percentage (31.8). Though they may not have the financial flexibility to add an already established dead-eye marksman via free agency, with their numerous first-round selections they could realistically find a cost-efficient prospect to help improve their lackadaisical shooting prowess.
Should they wish to address this area early on in the night, Danny Ainge should look no further than Florida State’s sharpshooter Devin Vassell.
During his sophomore season with the Seminoles, the wing posted solid averages of 12.7 points, 5.1 rebounds, and 1.4 steals per game on 49 percent shooting from the floor and 42 percent shooting from deep.
A consistent catch-and-shoot talent and an offensive initiator would be two welcomed assets to have coming off the bench for the Boston Celtics. With Vassell alone they would improve in both these areas.
The 20-year-old is not only a scorer, however, but a trustworthy defensive presence as well. Measuring in at 6-7 while wielding a 6-9 wingspan the wing possesses the perfect length to guard positions from the one all the way to a small-ball four.
A dual-threat talent, Devin Vassell would be a contributor on both ends of the court for the shamrocks from day one.
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Draft prospect No. 2) Jalen Smith, C, Maryland
In the previous slide, we discussed how the Boston Celtics need to address their bench scoring this offseason, and we deemed it one of the team’s “biggest weaknesses.” Perhaps an even greater weakness within the C’s roster is their center rotation.
We’ve suggested many routes in which the team could take in addressing this position throughout the past few months. Our most often discussed solution to help strengthen their pivot spot is by drafting Maryland center Jalen Smith.
Likening his game to that of a young Chris Bosh, the 20-year-old big man possesses many qualities that could thrust him into Boston’s rotation almost instantly.
In his sophomore year with the Terrapins, Smith managed to improve from being just a solid collegiate starter to a sure-fire NBA prospect. Through 31 games played the big man put up impressive averages of 15.5 points, 10.5 rebounds, and 2.5 blocks per game on 54 percent shooting from the floor and 37 percent shooting from deep on a respectable 2.8 attempts.
As stated in a previous article describing why Smith would be the “ideal target” for the shamrocks, we proclaimed:
At 6-10, his height is tailor-made in regard to the archetype of bigs Boston Celtics Head Coach Brad Stevens prefers to roll out into a rotation.
His ability to play in the post as well as space the floor would work well with the scheme the shamrocks typically run while his defensive abilities would only add to their already menacing fourth-ranked defensive rating (106.2).
Their need for extra firepower in the frontcourt will likely have them try and thrust anything new with a pulse out there to see what they can do to bolster their center rotation.
A talent like Jalen Smith might be too much for the team to pass up.
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Draft prospect No. 3) Aaron Nesmith, G/ F, Vanderbilt
One of the biggest potential bargains heading into this year’s draft, should Aaron Nesmith find himself available for the taking when the Boston Celtics are on the clock, they should strongly consider nabbing him.
Though he was held to just 14 games played in his sophomore season due to a foot fracture, make no mistake, it was a highly impressive 14 games.
Averaging 35.7 minutes a night, the wing posted stupendous averages of 23 points, 4.9 rebounds, and 1.4 steals per game on 51 percent shooting from the floor and an incredible 52 percent shooting from deep on 115 total attempts (8.2 per game).
Deemed as one of the best pure shot-makers in the 2020 draft, Nesmith’s skills could certainly wind up benefiting a Cs team that finished 29th in points per game (28.5) and 20th in offensive rating (53.6).
Adding to the warranted intrigue the Cs should have in the 20-year-old, Sports Illustrated went into even greater depths as to why Nesmith can thrive at the next level as a spark-plug scorer:
His frame of 6-6, 213 pounds coupled with his speed and strength makes him a solid hybrid to play both the two and three spots at the next level.
The skillset in which Aaron Nesmith possesses could easily help Boston strengthen one of the weakest areas in their rotation in bench scoring.
Admin Note: Anyone here that's been reading the Draft Thread knows that I've been advocating for Nesmith ... if not him S. Bey will do nicely. I don't think the C's will be able to get high enough in this draft for Vassell or even Okungwu for that matter but one never knows. That said, I'd like to see Danny use these 3 picks to move up and get Okongwu over Vassell since we already have enough wings. RWill & Okongwu will establish plenty of athleticism, defense and offense from the big man position for years to come alongside Tatum & Brown.
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Post by elvissurfs on Oct 11, 2020 14:44:42 GMT -5
Or we could play Tacko...oh nevermind, BS is our coach...Doc would play him...BS's daughter would play him...
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Post by Admin on Oct 11, 2020 14:51:54 GMT -5
I bet Tacko spends one more season in ME then he gets the 3rd string spot at Center for the C's unless something unexpected happens (Injury/Trade/Failure to matriculate).
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Post by Admin on Oct 11, 2020 15:08:17 GMT -5
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B/R deems THIS contract as worst on the Cs by Mark Nilon
Despite the outcries from fans and media alike complaining about Gordon Hayward’s paycheck, Bleacher Report deems THIS player as having the worst contract on the Boston Celtics.
Coming into this upcoming free agency period, the Boston Celtics will likely be on the sidelines watching things unfold as they find themselves with a copious amount of long-term deals and little wiggle room.
In contrast to previous offseasons, this means that the team is not seen as a top-tier landing spot for the main talents residing on the open market in 2020.
Since 2016, the Cs have been intertwined with the NBA’s top-billed free agents and, in many of those instances, wound up landing a few of them including the likes of Al Horford, Gordon Hayward, and, most recently, Kemba Walker.
While an All-Star signing always brings about buzz within the media and excitement amongst fans, that’s not to say a marriage between the two parties is always destined to be seen as ideal when things are all said and done.
Currently, there are two of these types of signings still residing on Boston’s main roster and, one of which Bleacher Report views as the contract they most likely wish would disappear. While many of you — including ourselves at first — may believe this piece would focus in on Hayward’s deal with the franchise, it is actually geared towards Walker.
Writer Grant Hughes’ reasoning reads as follows:
While the Houdini would love nothing more than to counter this choice of choosing the 2020 All-Star starter by B/R, unfortunately, we can’t help but see their point. His knee injury is rumored to be “career lasting”, which has us at the site worrying about what the future may have instore while he’s still a top-paid talent on the Boston Celtics.
Though there is still hope that all will be alright between the two parties moving forward, and Walker will wind up living up to his max-contract, the early signs show that there could be a lot of unpredictabilities moving forward and, in turn, could lead to Beantown second-guessing their decision to bring on the point guard in the first place.
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Post by Admin on Oct 11, 2020 15:14:41 GMT -5
So maybe Jordan knew what he was doing ...
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Post by Admin on Oct 11, 2020 15:39:50 GMT -5
According to Andrew Hughes @ Hardwood Houdini, there are 3 ways the C's can get over the hump:
1. Solidify the middle
Look, whether or not you want to replace Daniel Theis as the starter and whatever your thoughts are on Robert Williams’ development, you have to admit the Boston Celtics absolutely have room for improvement in the frontcourt.
Enes Kanter proved to be ineffective in both the Toronto and Miami series’, and Vincent Poirier has proven all but unplayable all season long. Perhaps the Cs can pursue a big man like Aron Baynes (more on that today) or Meyers Leonard.
2. Find a capable backup point guard
It may not be time yet for Carsen Edwards or Tremont Waters to step into a bigger role in the offense–and it may truly never be their time. Especially if Brad Wanamaker is a goner, the Celtics need to find a backup point guard capable of running the show for extended periods.
Even if the career journeyman makes his way back to Boston, Danny Ainge should have his eyes on the likes of D.J. Augustin and Rajon Rondo in free agency.
1. Consolidate their draft picks to move up in the draft
The Cs can add a cost-controlled piece to their rotation if they can hit on one of their three first-round draft picks in the 2020 NBA Draft. Given the huge salaries at the top of their books, Boston can go for a player far outperforming his small cap figure.
Given Ainge’s recent misfires for picks outside of the lottery, the best way to ensure a successful pick may be moving up to the very top of the draft.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Oct 11, 2020 16:02:04 GMT -5
Not to be a kill joy, but nbadraft.net has these guys all going before we pick: They have Vessel going #6, Nesmith going #13 (right before us) to NOP
They do have us taking Smith at 14.
It's very difficult to move up, move around, and, as I've said, if this is a weak draft, who would do that?
I think Kemba is better than Rozier, and a better person than KI. I'd be okay with moving Kemba, but, as mentioned, I don't think Danny will because of loyalty. We may never get another "big" FA to sign here if we move him after one year. Hayward could help us by opting OUT, and re-signing for a smaller amount.........but he won't, and neither would I
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Post by Admin on Oct 11, 2020 16:50:14 GMT -5
Guess that ankle is still a problem ...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 17:36:09 GMT -5
The rumored trade is Hayward and picks for Turner and Oladipo........ I would think we'd have to give them Smart and Hayward and picks, for this trade to happen! yeah on two accouns Smart's value isn't ever going to bring us the 2 pick straight out. Turner and Oladipo make 37.5 mil . Smart 12 mil . Need to make up a lot of money..
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