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Post by sfbosfan on Sept 3, 2020 21:31:42 GMT -5
I’m partial, of course, but without Leonard we are a better team. With him I doubt we’d have chance to win the series. Better team or not this has got to give them extreme confidence first they came back from a 10 point deficit outscoring us by 12 in the 2nd half. GOD forbid and shame on me for saying this, but if they come back to win the series , our coach should be fired. WE MUST HAVE THE NEXT GAME to take their confidence a way a bit !
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Post by Cabutan on Sept 3, 2020 21:33:52 GMT -5
Brad, Jaylen. The whole team was sleep walking from the third on. Going back to the old celtics ways of trying to catch their prey. Leavif things for the final minute. Where was Brad in the third cuz I would have been on these guys ears on why the hell were they playing so shy. BS. Waste of time
2.5 hours of my life wasted.
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Post by Admin on Sept 3, 2020 21:35:19 GMT -5
I also noticed a breakdown of the offense when TOR switched to zone in Q3.
That's on Brad too. Their s/b a scheme to defeat the zone rather than firing up all threes ... that's when we began shooting poorly.
Maybe they got good shots and it's on our shooters but reversion to the mean is inevitable so when the dry spell hits there needs to be a plan.
So far I've seen no counter from Brad.
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Post by Cabutan on Sept 3, 2020 21:35:35 GMT -5
I said it.Lowry came wirh an attitude and he walked all over smart or whoever was guarding him. Old fart put himself there and carried his team. Us with 4 stars and couldnt win it. I am salty as fk
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Post by fierce on Sept 4, 2020 1:18:18 GMT -5
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Post by kyceltic on Sept 4, 2020 8:17:44 GMT -5
He made a great shot, give the Raptors credit, And go on to the next game! I'll be more concerned if we lose Saturday,but I don't think we will!
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 4, 2020 8:57:54 GMT -5
Oh, I agree but as long as you did it Brad's way, someone needs to direct traffic and tell Theis to get back to the rim so JB can cover O.G. Thats still on Brad though, for not practicing the situation enough. |
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 4, 2020 9:04:01 GMT -5
I said it.Lowry came wirh an attitude and he walked all over smart or whoever was guarding him. Old fart put himself there and carried his team. Us with 4 stars and couldnt win it. I am salty as fk Lowry is older, but he's still dangerous. Smart does better defending big guards than he does shifty guards. This is the problem with a team like Toronto, they have a lot of weapons. Jaylen cant lock em all down. Covering Lowry was a problem. A quicker guard, who plays good D, would have been useful in this game. Like a Kris Dunn or even Rozier. Kind of shows that our bench isnt perfect. We have too many guys who can defend big players, Jaylen, Semi, Theis, RWill, GWill, even Smart...But not really enough quick defenders to stay in front of shifty guards. Harden would be a problem. |
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 4, 2020 9:05:17 GMT -5
The silver lining is that Tatum is 21, JB is 23, and even Smart is only 25. And they just got a boatload of playoff experience. I think they will be better in the long run from this.
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 4, 2020 9:06:12 GMT -5
Ive changed my mind about who is the best player on Toronto 4x this series. Sure, when a team has a superstar that you have to double team - thats a challenge. But when a team has so many guys who can score - that also presents a challenge.
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 4, 2020 9:09:26 GMT -5
They are kind of like that old Detroit team with Rip, Billups, Prince, Rasheed, and Big Ben Wallace. Well rounded, lot of scoring options, play well together, better than sum of their parts. They are a very good team.
We're better though - I expect a bounceback next game. Vegas had us +2.5, which I didnt understand. Which even after the game, still confuses me. I guess they were expecting Tor to play "back against the wall" basketball. It will be interesting to see the line on the next game. Im going to check now.
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Post by drewski6 on Sept 4, 2020 9:10:51 GMT -5
They got us +1.5, dogs again. I guess it must just be that they are a higher seed.
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Post by petey62 on Sept 4, 2020 9:25:05 GMT -5
Last night was truly disappointing. When you're a HALF A SECOND from taking a commanding 3-0 series lead, AND YOU DON'T FINISH, that's just demoralizing. But Toronto is the defending champs. WE are going to have to take them out. If they didn't fold down 2 games to none and losing game 3 with a half a second to go, then believe me it's going to take everything from everybody to dispose of Toronto.
And, for me, it starts with Tatum. He should NEVER have a 15 point night IN A PLAYOFF GAME. No, I don't need Herculean efforts like Donovan Mitchell and Jamal Murray gave in their first round series (BTW, Murray scored only 12 in game 1 vs LAC). But for this team to be successful, TATUm has to lead. Kemba was a beast, Brown played well with 19 pts and 12 reb, but Tatum CANNOT have a bad game.
I don't know if he was ill or injured because at one point, it looked like he was shaking his head (like he had cobwebs). Nevertheless, he will have to consistently lead this team. At this point, even with the weapons on this team, no bad nights are allowed for Tatum. Kemba has a bad night and we can pull out a win. Tatum has a crappy night, our chances of losing are much higher.
I sure hope this team comes out tomorrow and leaves no doubt about their resilience and determination to win this series.
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Post by fierce on Sept 4, 2020 9:43:53 GMT -5
Last night was truly disappointing. When you're a HALF A SECOND from taking a commanding 3-0 series lead, AND YOU DON'T FINISH, that's just demoralizing. But Toronto is the defending champs. WE are going to have to take them out. If they didn't fold down 2 games to none and losing game 3 with a half a second to go, then believe me it's going to take everything from everybody to dispose of Toronto. And, for me, it starts with Tatum. He should NEVER have a 15 point night IN A PLAYOFF GAME. No, I don't need Herculean efforts like Donovan Mitchell and Jamal Murray gave in their first round series (BTW, Murray scored only 12 in game 1 vs LAC). But for this team to be successful, TATUm has to lead. Kemba was a beast, Brown played well with 19 pts and 12 reb, but Tatum CANNOT have a bad game.I don't know if he was ill or injured because at one point, it looked like he was shaking his head (like he had cobwebs). Nevertheless, he will have to consistently lead this team. At this point, even with the weapons on this team, no bad nights are allowed for Tatum. Kemba has a bad night and we can pull out a win. Tatum has a crappy night, our chances of losing are much higher. I sure hope this team comes out tomorrow and leaves no doubt about their resilience and determination to win this series. That's just ridiculous. Even Lebron and Kobe had bad games in the playoffs in the past. Saying that Tatum CANNOT have a bad game is UNREALISTIC! |
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Post by fierce on Sept 4, 2020 9:49:13 GMT -5
The solution is to bounce back after a bad game.
That's what the great ones do!
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Post by sfbosfan on Sept 4, 2020 10:02:03 GMT -5
Over and over again I say it was the coach’s fault. Having Tacko in to try and disrupt/block the pass from out of bounds was a good move BUT the passer from out of bounds was like a QB who lobbed it some 20-30 feet I don’t know the distance but we should have had man to man coverage so we either intercept the ball/knock it down or be sufficiently in the way of the shooter who needs to move to get a shot....05 sec to expire...or toss a desperation shot up. I believe the coach probably felt they’d toss the ball in the paint to get a tie  But, I reiterate, their best player to be wide open in the corner was an egregious mistake. We needed to cover especially a 3 pt shot. OK, I’m pissed just discussing it and thinking about it. Let’s hope it doesn’t give them over confidence knowing they came back from down 10 points and pisses us off enough that we give them a spanking next game. |
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Post by fierce on Sept 4, 2020 10:04:17 GMT -5
Over and over again I say it was the coach’s fault. Having Tacko in to try and disrupt/block the pass from out of bounds was a good move BUT the passer from out of bounds was like a QB who lobbed it some 20-30 feet I don’t know the distance but we should have had man to man coverage so we either intercept the ball/knock it down or be sufficiently in the way of the shooter who needs to move to get a shot....05 sec to expire...or toss a desperation shot up. I believe the coach probably felt they’d toss the ball in the paint to get a tie But, I reiterate, their best player to be wide open in the corner was an egregious mistake. We needed to cover especially a 3 pt shot. OK, I’m pissed just discussing it and thinking about it. Let’s hope it doesn’t give them over confidence knowing they came back from down 10 points and pisses us off enough that we give them a spanking next game. Yes, it was the coach's fault. That's why it's ridiculous to blame Tatum for the loss. It was a won ball game. All the Celts had to do was play straight up man to man. |
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Post by petey62 on Sept 4, 2020 10:05:56 GMT -5
Fierce, Kobe's worst game was sixteen years ago against a Pistons team that was clearly better than the Lakers. And Kobe's other horrible performance was when he scored 1 point in the 2nd half against the Suns as a protest, taking only 3 shots. In the post game he fumed that everybody has to contribute and he couldn't do it alone.
As for Lebron, his horrible games cane against much-superior opposition in the Spurs (2007) and Celtics (2008) and even a better Mavs team (2011).
There is no reason for Tatum to have a game like last night against far-inferior opposition. When you're THE MAN, you will have to take the criticism that comes with not showing up in a critical semi-finals game 3.
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Post by Cabutan on Sept 4, 2020 10:11:42 GMT -5
I said it.Lowry came wirh an attitude and he walked all over smart or whoever was guarding him. Old fart put himself there and carried his team. Us with 4 stars and couldnt win it. I am salty as fk Lowry is older, but he's still dangerous. Smart does better defending big guards than he does shifty guards. This is the problem with a team like Toronto, they have a lot of weapons. Jaylen cant lock em all down. Covering Lowry was a problem. A quicker guard, who plays good D, would have been useful in this game. Like a Kris Dunn or even Rozier. Kind of shows that our bench isnt perfect. We have too many guys who can defend big players, Jaylen, Semi, Theis, RWill, GWill, even Smart...But not really enough quick defenders to stay in front of shifty guards. Harden would be a problem. I see qhat you are saying. However we are or we were playing at a superior level plus we do have thw best 3 players of the series. What I have been saying all along, this C team beat themselves up when they want. Lets go to the third quarter and they stopped attacking and moving the ball. Even if Tatum scored 15?? He was not aggressive at all. JB had a good solid all around game but just like you noted, he cant do it all for everyone. And even still, the raptors needed a miracle shot (which it was) to win the game. Had the Celtics came with a better more aggressive mindset, this game could have been another blowout. Smart wasnt himself either. Scheduled loss. Celtics in 5 |
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Post by fierce on Sept 4, 2020 10:11:52 GMT -5
Fierce, Kobe's worst game was sixteen years ago against a Pistons team that was clearly better than the Lakers. And Kobe's other horrible performance was when he scored 1 point in the 2nd half against the Suns as a protest, taking only 3 shots. In the post game he fumed that everybody has to contribute and he couldn't do it alone. As for Lebron, his horrible games cane against much-superior opposition in the Spurs (2007) and Celtics (2008) and even a better Mavs team (2011). There is no reason for Tatum to have a game like last night against far-inferior opposition. When you're THE MAN, you will have to take the criticism that comes with not showing up in a critical semi-finals game 3. That's not what you said before the series started. You said this is going to be a tough series most likely going 7 games. Now you're saying Toronto is a far-inferior opposition? Name one player in the history of the NBA that didn't have one single bad game in the playoffs. The reason the Celts lost was because of the coach. Tatum was having a bad game, but Kemba made up for it. That's why the Celts were leading by 2 points with 00.5 left in regulation. All the Celts had to do was play straight up man to man defense and this series would've been 3-0. |
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Post by Cabutan on Sept 4, 2020 10:14:58 GMT -5
Last night was truly disappointing. When you're a HALF A SECOND from taking a commanding 3-0 series lead, AND YOU DON'T FINISH, that's just demoralizing. But Toronto is the defending champs. WE are going to have to take them out. If they didn't fold down 2 games to none and losing game 3 with a half a second to go, then believe me it's going to take everything from everybody to dispose of Toronto. And, for me, it starts with Tatum. He should NEVER have a 15 point night IN A PLAYOFF GAME. No, I don't need Herculean efforts like Donovan Mitchell and Jamal Murray gave in their first round series (BTW, Murray scored only 12 in game 1 vs LAC). But for this team to be successful, TATUm has to lead. Kemba was a beast, Brown played well with 19 pts and 12 reb, but Tatum CANNOT have a bad game.I don't know if he was ill or injured because at one point, it looked like he was shaking his head (like he had cobwebs). Nevertheless, he will have to consistently lead this team. At this point, even with the weapons on this team, no bad nights are allowed for Tatum. Kemba has a bad night and we can pull out a win. Tatum has a crappy night, our chances of losing are much higher. I sure hope this team comes out tomorrow and leaves no doubt about their resilience and determination to win this series. That's just ridiculous. Even Lebron and Kobe had bad games in the playoffs in the past. Saying that Tatum CANNOT have a bad game is UNREALISTIC! well technically, any player can have a bad game you are right. I think we needed more of him yesterday to win. Even if we got a bit more from smart we would have won. But Tatum was not aggressive yesterday |
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Post by fierce on Sept 4, 2020 10:15:09 GMT -5
Where were you when Tatum played well in the the first 2 games of the series, Pete?
Just like the series against the Wiz in 2017, it looks like you only show up here when the Celts lose.
Of all the people here, you should be the least disappointed because you expected a tough series most likely going 7 games.
So why all of a sudden the Celts losing is a disappointment when you expected the Celts to most likely lose 3 games in this series?
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Post by petey62 on Sept 4, 2020 10:15:49 GMT -5
Although Anunoby's shot at the buzzer gave Toronto the win, the Celtics crapped that game away long before that shot. There is no doubt that every Raptors player should have had a Celtics player guarding him during the inbounds. All the Celtics had to do was be in the vicinity of a Raptors player to contest the inbounds pass. That's all, if we're near a player, he likely doesn't have the freedom to easily catch and shoot uninhibited.
Our defense abandoned us in the 3rd and 4th quarters, especially in the 3rd. Tatum wasn't why we lost but we win easily with any kind of consistent offensive performance that we've been getting from him in this playoffs. Again, we didn't lose because of Tatum, but we win if he leads.
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Post by fierce on Sept 4, 2020 10:17:26 GMT -5
That's just ridiculous. Even Lebron and Kobe had bad games in the playoffs in the past. Saying that Tatum CANNOT have a bad game is UNREALISTIC! well technically, any player can have a bad game you are right. I think we needed more of him yesterday to win. Even if we got a bit more from smart we would have won. But Tatum was not aggressive yesterday I agree. But Tatum was not the reason we lost. The coach made the wrong call. Also, let's not forget Tatum is just 22 years old. It's not like he's a 30-year old veteran. |
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Post by fierce on Sept 4, 2020 10:19:21 GMT -5
Although Anunoby's shot at the buzzer gave Toronto the win, the Celtics crapped that game away long before that shot. There is no doubt that every Raptors player should have had a Celtics player guarding him during the inbounds. All the Celtics had to do was be in the vicinity of a Raptors player to contest the inbounds pass. That's all, if we're near a player, he likely doesn't have the freedom to easily catch and shoot uninhibited. Our defense abandoned us in the 3rd and 4th quarters, especially in the 3rd. Tatum wasn't why we lost but we win easily with any kind of consistent offensive performance that we've been getting from him in this playoffs. Again, we didn't lose because of Tatum, but we win if he leads.Too much to put on the shoulders of a 22-year old. Maybe in a couple of seasons you can put that kind of load on JT, but right now he's still very young and his body is not yet fully developed. |
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But, I reiterate, their best player to be wide open in the corner was an egregious mistake. We needed to cover especially a 3 pt shot. OK, I’m pissed just discussing it and thinking about it. Let’s hope it doesn’t give them over confidence knowing they came back from down 10 points and pisses us off enough that we give them a spanking next game.