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Post by petey62 on Mar 20, 2019 21:12:31 GMT -5
Bitch all you want about Smart. Without him, we would have lost by double digits. Smart made sure that he had absolutely NO IMPACT on this game whatsoever. We lost by three and we basically didn't have him. Stupid foul on Redick and uncalled for losing his composure with Embiid. That's selfish, not about team. But that's the norm for him. Isn't the first time and won't be the last, I'm certain.
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Post by elvissurfs on Mar 20, 2019 21:13:43 GMT -5
Ojeleye played better than Tatum and Brown!! who is Ojeleye?
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Post by Cabutan on Mar 20, 2019 21:14:34 GMT -5
Bitch all you want about Smart. Without him, we would have lost by double digits. Smart made sure that he had absolutely NO IMPACT on this game whatsoever. We lost by three and we basically didn't have him. Stupid foul on Redick and uncalled for losing his composure with Embiid. That's selfish, not about team. But that's the norm for him. Isn't the first time and won't be the last, I'm certain. we were up by 10 while he was in. Down to 2 once gone. And lost by the end of tthe game. Dont get caught up on the 36 points we have seen it over and over again. Most of the times we lose or win by 2 even against crappy teams. Ball is a 2 way sport and a team sport for that matter
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Post by petey62 on Mar 20, 2019 21:25:33 GMT -5
chrisjey, Kyrie shoots almost 50% from the field and 41% from 3-point range. Tonight was NOT his best shooting performance yet he still found a way get to the rim and free throw line enough to still get 36.
Smart had 4 fouls in just 19 minutes.
What does it mean when you say we were up 10 while he was in? We were up by 9 at one point in the 4th quarter and he wasn't in. Philly came back to win. How does Smart factor into any of that? He doesn't. You can't suggest that being up 10 while he "happened" to be on the court is proof of his impact on the outcome.
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Post by Cabutan on Mar 20, 2019 21:28:56 GMT -5
chrisjey, Kyrie shoots almost 50% from the field and 41% from 3-point range. Tonight was NOT his best shooting performance yet he still found a way get to the rim and free throw line enough to still get 36. Smart had 4 fouls in just 19 minutes. What does it mean when you say we were up 10 while he was in? We were up by 9 at one point in the 4th quarter and he wasn't in. Philly came back to win. How does Smart factor into any of that? He doesn't. You can't suggest that being up 10 while he "happened" to be on the court is proof of his impact on the outcome. when kyrie moves the ball we win and thats a fact. Tonight he didnt and by the way he has not been shooting that well lately. We were up 18 at some point minus kyrie. Guy comes in, shoots two atrocious back to back threes and lets a guy go in transition for an easy two and philly is down by ten. Forget scoring. It is not what makes us good. It is D (and smart play lots of good D perhaps our best defender) and ball movement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 21:39:12 GMT -5
I just don't get this Kyrie hate. He was fabulous in the game that I was watching. Do we really expect him to stop Jimmy Butler 1-1? So he is shooting too much? Well, what do you expect when others are turning down shots?
This is where we miss Hayward. Even if he does not shoot, he helps move the ball. Wish Tatum would get out of his shooting funk.
We lost this game when we lost two big parts from the game plan. Perhaps we would be in the game if Kyrie made a couple of his late game attempts. It looked to me like his legs were not there as all shots came up short. But they were also focusing on him.
BTW Kyrie's outside shots, crazy though they may be, also allow him to get to the rim. He was the on;y one who generated foul shots and the only one, with enough respect, to draw calls against Embiid.
After Embiid's heroics, Jimmy Butler made plays and shots towards the end of the game. Who was ready to step up for the Celts?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 21:48:35 GMT -5
chrisjey, Kyrie shoots almost 50% from the field and 41% from 3-point range. Tonight was NOT his best shooting performance yet he still found a way get to the rim and free throw line enough to still get 36. Smart had 4 fouls in just 19 minutes. What does it mean when you say we were up 10 while he was in? We were up by 9 at one point in the 4th quarter and he wasn't in. Philly came back to win. How does Smart factor into any of that? He doesn't. You can't suggest that being up 10 while he "happened" to be on the court is proof of his impact on the outcome. when kyrie moves the ball we win and thats a fact. Tonight he didnt and by the way he has not been shooting that well lately. We were up 18 at some point minus kyrie. Guy comes in, shoots two atrocious back to back threes and lets a guy go in transition for an easy two and philly is down by ten. Forget scoring. It is not what makes us good. It is D (and smart play lots of good D perhaps our best defender) and ball movement. Actually that is not what I see. A lot of times, when Kyrie is on the floor with Rozier and Smart, they put the point guard role on the other two and make Kyrie the shooting guard.
We have now lost two games to top tier teams. In both cases, a big dominated. Other than Kyrie, we did not have anybody to challenge them. This is another thing about Hayward that we missed.
Yes, Kyrie took some ill advised shots. But they are bad shots for others, not the shooters. I regularly see Curry, KD and Klay take such shots. Many times they miss these shots too.
I think that you need to check why you hate Kyrie so much. Yes, he was a mess trying to be a leader. But he seems to have cleaned up his act lately. This game was not on Kyrie. This game was on others who failed to step up. Only Kyrie and Al came to play when it counted.
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Post by Cabutan on Mar 20, 2019 21:52:14 GMT -5
We didnt win, we havent been winning. We play worst than last year. Where do you want to put the blame? He played ok today, not bad not great. We lost thats the bottom line. His pace is totally unpar with the other guys. He is not hesitant when he wants to shoot. Actually you can tell when he is going to shoot. He is a skilled player. Is he delivering wins? Nope. Is he going to get us past the second round? Not like this. He needs to get people involved. I am not the only one saying it. Barkley said it, shaq has said it, Jalen rose has said it. I can keep naming ex players say the same thing. Where do you see that we are better than last year??
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Post by Cabutan on Mar 20, 2019 21:56:44 GMT -5
And by the way, I hate this celtics team and yea i do blame our captain. You want a well oiled machine, it starts with him. He needs to make players around him better and he doesnt not now
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Post by Cabutan on Mar 20, 2019 21:58:36 GMT -5
And i am out. Nothing against you guys. Just my opinion. I might be wrong but i dont see this working with him and i might be right on that one. I just dont see it working out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 22:02:05 GMT -5
We didnt win, we havent been winning. We play worst than last year. Where do you want to put the blame? He played ok today, not bad not great. We lost thats the bottom line. His pace is totally unpar with the other guys. He is not hesitant when he wants to shoot. Actually you can tell when he is going to shoot. He is a skilled player. Is he delivering wins? Nope. Is he going to get us past the second round? Not like this. He needs to get people involved. I am not the only one saying it. Barkley said it, shaq has said it, Jalen rose has said it. I can keep naming ex players say the same thing. Where do you see that we are better than last year?? No, we are not playing as well as we did last year. But the inconsistency is not just on Kyrie. He was with us most of last year too, just not towards the end.
He is not the only one. The chemistry blame lies with the rest of the team as well. He is responsible for shooting his mouth.
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Post by sfbosfan on Mar 20, 2019 22:34:08 GMT -5
Yup, I know about the egregious foul shot difference but I believe this is a prefect example of rebound advantage bailing out not as good shooting. We shot a respectable 47 % and 38 on 3s to 38% and 33 on 3s. But they got 8 more extra chances with reb advantage of 54 to 46 and just Embiid got 22, almost 1/2 our whole team. Embiid got 37 points and Irving almost matched him with 36 but Embiid's rebs really killed us I think and, of course, trying to stop him from rebounding and also scoring , we fouled. He'd be as valuable to us as Davis and maybe more.
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Post by cole on Mar 20, 2019 22:34:09 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, if we're destined to live with a minus 27 free throw disparity in every game, we won't beat the sixers.
I'm not going to over react to this. This is common stuff in the nba. It won't happen in the playoffs unless we're about to sweep them.
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Post by Admin on Mar 20, 2019 22:48:17 GMT -5
SF, we own the Sixers ... if not for poor officiating we win this by 10 or MOAR!!! great...what the eff does MOAR mean again?...does not show up on internet searches as an acronym...
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Post by Admin on Mar 20, 2019 23:05:12 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, if we're destined to live with a minus 27 free throw disparity in every game, we won't beat the sixers. I'm not going to over react to this. This is common stuff in the nba. It won't happen in the playoffs unless we're about to sweep them. Exactly ... you lose your top two enforcers in Baynes & Smart then give up 43 free throws (whether earned or gifted) and you have no right even being in that game in the final minutes.
Encouraged is an understatement! It's a miracle that this team had the heart & drive to "not" give up under the circumstances played ...
Embiid & Butler found a few open windows when those two were tossed to the curb ... they can have the regular season win (1-3), I'll take the wins in the PO's when they mean something.
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Post by puddin on Mar 21, 2019 5:03:33 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, if we're destined to live with a minus 27 free throw disparity in every game, we won't beat the sixers. I'm not going to over react to this. This is common stuff in the nba. It won't happen in the playoffs unless we're about to sweep them.Cole:
Common stuff? Really?
Are you suggesting that the league office will intervene on behalf of the 76ers if the Cs are on the verge of sweeping them in the play offs?
Explain....
Pud
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 21, 2019 10:13:00 GMT -5
I'd sit Smart for a game, and bring him off the bench thereafter. No excuse for that. He wants to be a leader on this team and he just cant act that way. Jaylen back to the starting lieup for the remainder of the season. Smart relegated to bench role.
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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2019 12:58:02 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, if we're destined to live with a minus 27 free throw disparity in every game, we won't beat the sixers. I'm not going to over react to this. This is common stuff in the nba. It won't happen in the playoffs unless we're about to sweep them.Cole:
Common stuff? Really?
Are you suggesting that the league office will intervene on behalf of the 76ers if the Cs are on the verge of sweeping them in the play offs?
Explain....
Pud
In a subtler way. In the pregame meeting they head of officials will tell then that the front office looked at the last game and Joel was being held...make sure and don't let them hold Joel. The officials will get the message.
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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2019 12:58:37 GMT -5
My turn though pud, do you believe the officials called the game last night fairly?
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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2019 13:00:28 GMT -5
I'd sit Smart for a game, and bring him off the bench thereafter. No excuse for that. He wants to be a leader on this team and he just cant act that way. Jaylen back to the starting lieup for the remainder of the season. Smart relegated to bench role. I can't disagree with that.
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Post by petey62 on Mar 21, 2019 13:20:16 GMT -5
drewski and cole, I can totally understand where you're both coming from.
But this late in the season, you cannot make that kind of change because Smart is a head case and will cost the team once or twice a season. He was a total bonehead who was selfish and thought about nobody but himself last night.
Okay, time to move on. I didn't like it but you can rest assured we won't have that problem with Marcus again this year.
And you're sending a terrible message by making that change now. I would have made it a month ago based on Jaylen beginning to find a groove and returning Smart to his off the bench energy guy. But right after this transgression, to make that move, isn't fair and should not be made.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 14:50:39 GMT -5
We saw Celtics defense without Smart on the floor. Jaylen is long and athletic and may do well in 1-1 defense. But he is just not a read and react/communicate guy. I don't expect lineup changes. Yes, rotation and minute distribution experiments will continue.
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Post by puddin on Mar 21, 2019 14:57:13 GMT -5
Cole:
Common stuff? Really?
Are you suggesting that the league office will intervene on behalf of the 76ers if the Cs are on the verge of sweeping them in the play offs?
Explain....
Pud
In a subtler way. In the pregame meeting they head of officials will tell then that the front office looked at the last game and Joel was being held...make sure and don't let them hold Joel. The officials will get the message. Suppose the 76er are on the verge of sweeping the Cs in the POs, would the word go out to allow the Cs to win the FT battle?
Pud
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Post by puddin on Mar 21, 2019 15:19:39 GMT -5
My turn though pud, do you believe the officials called the game last night fairly? Simply put...... yes.
I saw no reason to believe that the fix was in.
If I did, I would wash my hands of the sport instead of complaining loudly about how unfair things are.
That would be crybaby stuff on my part... and I'm not a crybaby.
Pud
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Post by cole on Mar 21, 2019 16:11:21 GMT -5
In a subtler way. In the pregame meeting they head of officials will tell then that the front office looked at the last game and Joel was being held...make sure and don't let them hold Joel. The officials will get the message. Suppose the 76er are on the verge of sweeping the Cs in the POs, would the word go out to allow the Cs to win the FT battle?
Pud
Yes
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