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Post by Admin on Dec 12, 2018 23:09:06 GMT -5
Nobody disagrees that Tatum will be a star ... I've heard a few (Scal/Tommy?) question whether Tatum will be better than Brown when it's all clear. There are just as many that think Brown's ceiling is higher than Tatum's or that Tatum may just be on a faster track right now.
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Post by fierce on Dec 12, 2018 23:09:30 GMT -5
admin It was only against NY that Brown had a significant impact on the game. Most of Brown's points against the Bulls and Pels were in garbage time. Here: www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3917376/jaylen-brownCheck out the game logs. Most of Brown's points came when the outcome was already decided against the Bulls and Pels.
"Brown scored 11 of his 19 points in the fourth quarter, hitting three three-pointers to help close the door."
Brad said Brown helped seal the win with his scoring in the 4th to help put them away for good!
No matter how Brad sugar coats it, Brown's scoring in the 4th was still garbage time. Doesn't matter, as long Celts keep winning, right? If Brown will have no problem becoming a bench player then he can stay. But clearly the interview with Jackie Mac clearly states Brown wants to be a starter, same with Rozier. That's not happening with the Cs. Right now the Celts have great chemistry when Smart and Kyrie are starting. So either Brown settles for a bench role or he eventually asks Ainge to trade him.
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Post by fierce on Dec 12, 2018 23:14:32 GMT -5
Nobody disagrees that Tatum will be a star ... I've heard a few (Scal/Tommy?) question whether Tatum will be better than Brown when it's all clear. There are just as many that think Brown's ceiling is higher than Tatum's or that Tatum may just be on a faster track right now. Brown's ceiling is higher because of athletic ability. So why did the Celts sign Hayward for the max? It's just a case of having too many weapons and not enough opportunities to use them. You posted the article about McHale saying Brad should focus on 3 or 4 players. Right now Brown is not part of the 3 or 4. Sooner or later Brown will want out. If Brown will be happy and content getting the minutes similar to what Kelly Olynyk got then I think the Celts can keep him. But if Brown insists he's a starter then he should go.
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Post by Admin on Dec 12, 2018 23:14:35 GMT -5
Why do you insist Brown can't be a starter?
Brad said himself that the starting lineup was always a work in process and always will be ... in other words, he will change the starters as he sees fit. Brown could replace Smart on some nights or Hayward could replace Tatum. Until you see Brad playing this starting five for 15-20 games there is nothing written in stone.
It ain't over till it's over ...
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Post by fierce on Dec 12, 2018 23:19:23 GMT -5
Why do you insist Brown can't be a starter? Brad said himself that the starting lineup was always a work in process and always will be ... in other words, he will change the starters as he sees fit. Brown could replace Smart on some nights or Hayward could replace Tatum. Until you see Brad playing this starting five for 15-20 games there is nothing written in stone. It ain't over till it's over ... Ok, let's give it 10 more games because Smart has started 7 straight games now and the Celts won all 7 games. If Smart is still starting and Brown is still not a starter after 10 games then you could say that Brown is not a starter on the Cs. I just don't see any reason why both Hayward and Brown should be starting when Morris, Tatum, and Smart have been playing very well as of late.
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Post by Admin on Dec 12, 2018 23:20:30 GMT -5
Nobody disagrees that Tatum will be a star ... I've heard a few (Scal/Tommy?) question whether Tatum will be better than Brown when it's all clear. There are just as many that think Brown's ceiling is higher than Tatum's or that Tatum may just be on a faster track right now. Brown's ceiling is higher because of athletic ability. So why did the Celts sign Hayward for the max?It's just a case of having too many weapons and not enough opportunities to use them. You posted the article about McHale saying Brad should focus on 3 or 4 players. Right now Brown is not part of the 3 or 4. Sooner or later Brown will want out. If Brown will be happy and content getting the minutes similar to what Kelly Olynyk got then I think the Celts can keep him. But if Brown insists he's a starter then he should go. Because NO ONE ... NOT EVEN DANNY foresaw Brown & Tatum advancing as quickly as they both did.
Ainge expected them to each be in training for 3 years and transitioning to take over when Hayward was at the tail end of his deal.
It just so happens that experience from forced playing time advanced both quicker than expected and here we are today. So we should blow our future up cuz we have Hayward? I don't think so unless the prize is Davis or somebody close.
If anyone goes soon, it's Yabu & Rozier. Brown & Tatum are off the table IMO unless we are talking game changer.
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Post by fierce on Dec 12, 2018 23:20:32 GMT -5
Hayward starting over Tatum is not happening.
Right now Tatum is the 2nd best player on the Cs. There's no reason why he should take a back seat to anybody.
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Post by fierce on Dec 12, 2018 23:23:07 GMT -5
Brown's ceiling is higher because of athletic ability. So why did the Celts sign Hayward for the max?It's just a case of having too many weapons and not enough opportunities to use them. You posted the article about McHale saying Brad should focus on 3 or 4 players. Right now Brown is not part of the 3 or 4. Sooner or later Brown will want out. If Brown will be happy and content getting the minutes similar to what Kelly Olynyk got then I think the Celts can keep him. But if Brown insists he's a starter then he should go. Because NO ONE ... NOT EVEN DANNY foresaw Brown & Tatum advancing as quickly as they both did.
Ainge expected them to each be in training for 3 years and transitioning to take over when Hayward was at the tail end of his deal.
It just so happens that experience from forced playing time advanced both quicker than expected and here we are today. So we should blow our future up cuz we have Hayward? I don't think so unless the prize is Davis or somebody close.
If anyone goes soon, it's Yabu & Rozier. Brown & Tatum are off the table IMO unless we are talking game changer.
Totally agree with you on Yabu and Rozier. As far as Tatum and Brown, I think if it's Anthony Davis, Celts can let Tatum or Brown go, depending on who the Pels choose. Regarding Brown being off the table, if Brown will be content and happy being a bench player then I agree, he's off the table. But if he's saying he's a starter then I don't think it's good for the team to keep an unhappy camper.
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Post by Admin on Dec 12, 2018 23:25:40 GMT -5
Why do you insist Brown can't be a starter? Brad said himself that the starting lineup was always a work in process and always will be ... in other words, he will change the starters as he sees fit. Brown could replace Smart on some nights or Hayward could replace Tatum. Until you see Brad playing this starting five for 15-20 games there is nothing written in stone. It ain't over till it's over ... Ok, let's give it 10 more games because Smart has started 7 straight games now and the Celts won all 7 games. If Smart is still starting and Brown is still not a starter after 10 games then you could say that Brown is not a starter on the Cs. I just don't see any reason why both Hayward and Brown should be starting when Morris, Tatum, and Smart have been playing very well as of late. Why should Hayward alone get to start when Morris is playing so well?
Because of his contract ?
I think Brad is ok bringing anyone off the bench. He just has to contend with not cow toeing to the players when it comes to minutes. Play the ones that are getting it done that night or rest those in favor of the others when rest is needed.
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Post by Admin on Dec 12, 2018 23:27:17 GMT -5
Hayward starting over Tatum is not happening. Right now Tatum is the 2nd best player on the Cs. There's no reason why he should take a back seat to anybody.
Good luck with that ...
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Post by fierce on Dec 12, 2018 23:30:32 GMT -5
Ok, let's give it 10 more games because Smart has started 7 straight games now and the Celts won all 7 games. If Smart is still starting and Brown is still not a starter after 10 games then you could say that Brown is not a starter on the Cs. I just don't see any reason why both Hayward and Brown should be starting when Morris, Tatum, and Smart have been playing very well as of late. Why should Hayward alone get to start when Morris is playing so well?
Because of his contract ?
I think Brad is ok bringing anyone off the bench. He just has to contend with not cow toeing to the players when it comes to minutes. Play the ones that are getting it done that night or rest those in favor of the others when rest is needed.
Hayward already said he's willing to come off the bench. I think Hayward can be our Manu Ginobili. Since Hayward is fine with not starting, keep him as a bench player. Unless of course Tatum or Morris is injured.
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Post by Admin on Dec 12, 2018 23:30:36 GMT -5
Because NO ONE ... NOT EVEN DANNY foresaw Brown & Tatum advancing as quickly as they both did.
Ainge expected them to each be in training for 3 years and transitioning to take over when Hayward was at the tail end of his deal.
It just so happens that experience from forced playing time advanced both quicker than expected and here we are today. So we should blow our future up cuz we have Hayward? I don't think so unless the prize is Davis or somebody close.
If anyone goes soon, it's Yabu & Rozier. Brown & Tatum are off the table IMO unless we are talking game changer.
Totally agree with you on Yabu and Rozier. As far as Tatum and Brown, I think if it's Anthony Davis, Celts can let Tatum or Brown go, depending on who the Pels choose. Regarding Brown being off the table, if Brown will be content and happy being a bench player then I agree, he's off the table. But if he's saying he's a starter then I don't think it's good for the team to keep an unhappy camper. I don't see him as an unhappy camper ... I see a competitive player that wants to prove himself and be the very best that he can be and that means a starter. It doesn't mean "unhappy" or "malcontent."
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Post by fierce on Dec 12, 2018 23:33:13 GMT -5
Hayward starting over Tatum is not happening. Right now Tatum is the 2nd best player on the Cs. There's no reason why he should take a back seat to anybody.
Good luck with that ...
Jayson Tatum has 26 games played and 26 starts. www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4065648/jayson-tatumTatum's not going to take a back seat to anyone on this Cs team.
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Post by Admin on Dec 12, 2018 23:33:15 GMT -5
Off to watch Colbert and catch up on politics with Maddow/MSNBC ...
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Post by fierce on Dec 12, 2018 23:34:44 GMT -5
Totally agree with you on Yabu and Rozier. As far as Tatum and Brown, I think if it's Anthony Davis, Celts can let Tatum or Brown go, depending on who the Pels choose. Regarding Brown being off the table, if Brown will be content and happy being a bench player then I agree, he's off the table. But if he's saying he's a starter then I don't think it's good for the team to keep an unhappy camper. I don't see him as an unhappy camper ... I see a competitive player that wants to prove himself and be the very best that he can be and that means a starter. It doesn't mean "unhappy" or "malcontent." If that's the case then everything will be fine. Nothing wrong if Brown gets Kelly Olynyk minutes. Jaylen Brown could be the greatest garbage time player of all time!
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Post by Cabutan on Dec 12, 2018 23:37:59 GMT -5
and i will keep saying it. I rather pay less for rozier for many reasons not for lack of skills. So there you go. Have a problem with that? I have no problem with that because that's your opinion. You're the one with the problem because you're the one who's unhappy when the Celts win with Kyrie's heroics. not true. Thats what you think.
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Post by Cabutan on Dec 12, 2018 23:40:37 GMT -5
Nobody disagrees that Tatum will be a star ... I've heard a few (Scal/Tommy?) question whether Tatum will be better than Brown when it's all clear. There are just as many that think Brown's ceiling is higher than Tatum's or that Tatum may just be on a faster track right now. this year in particular Tatum has been meh. Did we (calling myself guilty of it)blow too much air up his wassu?
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Post by fierce on Dec 12, 2018 23:41:12 GMT -5
I have no problem with that because that's your opinion. You're the one with the problem because you're the one who's unhappy when the Celts win with Kyrie's heroics. not true. Thats what you think. Your posts are the proof. Everybody here was happy when the Celts beat the Wiz. But you had to be the buzzkill saying we should have been cruising or we didn't need Kyrie's heroics. I would agree that the Celts should have been cruising if the Celts had Horford, Hayward, and Brown. Those 3 players are more or less 30% of the Celtic offense. The game was a road game for the Celts and they're missing 3 key players. Saying that they should be cruising is inaccurate.
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Post by fierce on Dec 12, 2018 23:45:19 GMT -5
Nobody disagrees that Tatum will be a star ... I've heard a few (Scal/Tommy?) question whether Tatum will be better than Brown when it's all clear. There are just as many that think Brown's ceiling is higher than Tatum's or that Tatum may just be on a faster track right now. this year in particular Tatum has been meh. Did we (calling myself guilty of it)blow too much air up his wassu? Compared to his rookie year, Tatum is getting more points, rebounds, and assists this season. And the difference in minutes is only .5, from 30.5 mpg last season to 31.0 mpg this season. If you can't see that Tatum is becoming a superstar this season then there must be something wrong with your eyes.
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Post by Cabutan on Dec 12, 2018 23:46:18 GMT -5
not true. Thats what you think. Your posts are the proof. Everybody here was happy when the Celts beat the Wiz. But you had to be the buzzkill saying we should have been cruising or we didn't need Kyrie's heroics. I would agree that the Celts should have been cruising if the Celts had Horford, Hayward, and Brown. Those 3 players are more or less 30% of the Celtic offense. The game was a road game for the Celts and they're missing 3 key players. Saying that they should be cruising is inaccurate. i dont like calling people names yourself included but you were instigating here thinking i was not logged in. I dont care if i am viewed as a fool. I am upfront, straight up. You on the other hand like to instigate and thats very coward. So i appologize for calling you a retard but you looked for it. Cruising is not innacurate. Even Irving said something aling those lines not too long ago. Horford has been playing bad so he wouldnt have made a difference. We still should have cruised.
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Post by Cabutan on Dec 12, 2018 23:48:15 GMT -5
this year in particular Tatum has been meh. Did we (calling myself guilty of it)blow too much air up his wassu? Compared to his rookie year, Tatum is getting more points, rebounds, and assists this season. And the difference in minutes is only .5, from 30.5 mpg last season to 31.0 mpg this season. If you can't see that Tatum is becoming a superstar this season then there must be something wrong with your eyes. did i say anything about him not becoming a star? See how you instigate? See how you put words on peoples mouth. Thats why you earn retard and stuff. Honestly
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Post by fierce on Dec 12, 2018 23:52:28 GMT -5
Your posts are the proof. Everybody here was happy when the Celts beat the Wiz. But you had to be the buzzkill saying we should have been cruising or we didn't need Kyrie's heroics. I would agree that the Celts should have been cruising if the Celts had Horford, Hayward, and Brown. Those 3 players are more or less 30% of the Celtic offense. The game was a road game for the Celts and they're missing 3 key players. Saying that they should be cruising is inaccurate. i dont like calling people names yourself included but you were instigating here thinking i was not logged in. I dont care if i am viewed as a fool. I am upfront, straight up. You on the other hand like to instigate and thats very coward. So i appologize for calling you a retard but you looked for it. Cruising is not innacurate. Even Irving said something aling those lines not too long ago. Horford has been playing bad so he wouldnt have made a difference. We still should have cruised. Besides Horford, Celts were also without Hayward and Brown. Those 2 players are also averaging double digits in scoring. Nothing is easy for this Celts team. It was only 7 games ago that the Celts were just a .500 team. Right now the Raptors are 57-41 against GSW. GSW is supposed to be cruising because the Raptors don't have Kawhi. The NBA is not as simple as ABC. That's why the games are played.
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Post by Cabutan on Dec 12, 2018 23:54:58 GMT -5
i dont like calling people names yourself included but you were instigating here thinking i was not logged in. I dont care if i am viewed as a fool. I am upfront, straight up. You on the other hand like to instigate and thats very coward. So i appologize for calling you a retard but you looked for it. Cruising is not innacurate. Even Irving said something aling those lines not too long ago. Horford has been playing bad so he wouldnt have made a difference. We still should have cruised. Besides Horford, Celts were also without Hayward and Brown. Those 2 players are also averaging double digits in scoring. Nothing is easy for this Celts team. It was only 7 games ago that the Celts were just a .500 team. Right now the Raptors are 57-41 against GSW. GSW is supposed to be cruising because the Raptors don't have Kawhi. The NBA is not as simple as ABC. That's why the games are played. well gsw are crumbling as of late. So. Thats not surprising.
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Post by fierce on Dec 12, 2018 23:55:52 GMT -5
Compared to his rookie year, Tatum is getting more points, rebounds, and assists this season. And the difference in minutes is only .5, from 30.5 mpg last season to 31.0 mpg this season. If you can't see that Tatum is becoming a superstar this season then there must be something wrong with your eyes. did i say anything about him not becoming a star? See how you instigate? See how you put words on peoples mouth. Thats why you earn retard and stuff. Honestly Here's your post about Tatum: "this year in particular Tatum has been meh."Those are your words. So "meh" means superstar?
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Post by Cabutan on Dec 12, 2018 23:57:34 GMT -5
did i say anything about him not becoming a star? See how you instigate? See how you put words on peoples mouth. Thats why you earn retard and stuff. Honestly Here's your post about Tatum: "this year in particular Tatum has been meh."Those are your words. So "meh" means superstar? nope thats not what meh means actually
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