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Post by puddin on May 24, 2018 10:40:15 GMT -5
Jaylen is very far from a finished product, but I think he's going to be great. His issues are very correctable. True. But right now Kawhi for Jaylen and Rozier makes more sense because the Celts are in win now mode. A starting 5 of Horford, Tatum, Kawhi, Hayward, and Kyrie is equal, if not better, than KD, Curry, Klay, and Draymond. Screw the "win now" mode. Lets stay in the "longer haul" mode.... developing the next "Celtic 10 year dynasty" mode. Watching young kids develop in a winning Celtic tradition is so much of the fun and gratification. Pud
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Post by elvissurfs on May 24, 2018 11:04:52 GMT -5
True. But right now Kawhi for Jaylen and Rozier makes more sense because the Celts are in win now mode. A starting 5 of Horford, Tatum, Kawhi, Hayward, and Kyrie is equal, if not better, than KD, Curry, Klay, and Draymond. Screw the "win now" mode. Lets stay in the "longer haul" mode.... developing the next "Celtic 10 year dynasty" mode. Watching young kids develop in a winning Celtic tradition is so much of the fun and gratification. Pud well that is the problem with going after Leonard...I say stand pat, having Brown, Tatum, Hayward log jam is quite a good problem to have...especially because then we can really ease Hayward back in...I think it will take him a year more to get to where he can play with confidence that his foot is OK...just to get it strong again...
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Post by kyceltic on May 24, 2018 11:33:30 GMT -5
Screw the "win now" mode. Lets stay in the "longer haul" mode.... developing the next "Celtic 10 year dynasty" mode. Watching young kids develop in a winning Celtic tradition is so much of the fun and gratification. Pud well that is the problem with going after Leonard...I say stand pat, having Brown, Tatum, Hayward log jam is quite a good problem to have...especially because then we can really ease Hayward back in...I think it will take him a year more to get to where he can play with confidence that his foot is OK...just to get it strong again... The win now mode is now! We're one game from the finals, without two of our best players! With or without a trade we could win it all next year! Hell, we could win it all this year!!
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Post by puddin on May 24, 2018 12:12:21 GMT -5
well that is the problem with going after Leonard...I say stand pat, having Brown, Tatum, Hayward log jam is quite a good problem to have...especially because then we can really ease Hayward back in...I think it will take him a year more to get to where he can play with confidence that his foot is OK...just to get it strong again... The win now mode is now! We're one game from the finals, without two of our best players! With or without a trade we could win it all next year! Hell, we could win it all this year!! Well I'm certainly good with the notion that the next Celtic dynasty begins this year... going forward for the next decade.
We have plenty of talent already except for a rim protector.
Lets go homegrown and see where it takes us.
Don't need Kawhi unless he suddenly sprouts to 6-11 and can defend the cup.
No short cuts needed. No need to do anything drastic. We are sitting pretty.
Win now.... or win now on?
I'll take the latter, thank you.
Pud
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Post by kivancb on May 24, 2018 12:47:45 GMT -5
well that is the problem with going after Leonard...I say stand pat, having Brown, Tatum, Hayward log jam is quite a good problem to have...especially because then we can really ease Hayward back in...I think it will take him a year more to get to where he can play with confidence that his foot is OK...just to get it strong again... The win now mode is now! We're one game from the finals, without two of our best players! With or without a trade we could win it all next year! Hell, we could win it all this year!! Reckoned - If you think we do not even have a puncher's chance in this year's (hopefully) NBA Finals, you guys still are not sure about this team. After the Irving injury I had predicted that we would have a decent chance against either Philly or Cavs: celticshomecourt.freeforums.net/post/43743/threadI do not stand pat and say we will make it to the finals and ESPN will of course predict either a sweep or a gentleman's sweep against us and boy WILL THEY BE WRONG. Do not be content guys, I know we have been overachieving, but we actually have been underachieving on away courts in the playoffs. What if we started playing on away courts the way our regular season stats showed??
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 24, 2018 16:26:22 GMT -5
Keep our kids. Screw Kawhi. I'd only trade one of our kids (Brown or Tatum) in a package for KAT - that's it!
What a great game!! We do need to finish them off in CLE, though. That way it will show the Warriors (I think!!) that we can win on the road, despite our youth.
Looking forward to another great Game 6. We have quite a good history there, you know. Finally, and I mean this with the greatest amount of respect, but I hope Petey is "happy" with the coaching done by our Coach!!
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Post by kyceltic on May 24, 2018 16:52:02 GMT -5
Keep our kids. Screw Kawhi. I'd only trade one of our kids (Brown or Tatum) in a package for KAT - that's it! What a great game!! We do need to finish them off in CLE, though. That way it will show the Warriors (I think!!) that we can win on the road, despite our youth. Looking forward to another great Game 6. We have quite a good history there, you know. Finally, and I mean this with the greatest amount of respect, but I hope Petey is "happy" with the coaching done by our Coach!! I would Brown, no way Tatum!!
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Post by cole on May 24, 2018 17:18:45 GMT -5
I want to see Leonard play well again, then we can talk.
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Post by cole on May 24, 2018 17:46:58 GMT -5
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Post by kyceltic on May 24, 2018 18:02:08 GMT -5
I saw that today. What an idiot!!
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Post by Cabutan on May 24, 2018 19:11:38 GMT -5
funny was just watching that and other guys who cant give credit to boston. Everyone claims that Lebron has no supporting cast. The same team that destroyed Toronto. After they beat Toronto they were the same ones saying that the Cavs were back into championship form. Everyone is either confused and in denial or us Celtics fans are overrating this Celtics team. Geez
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Post by DaCeltics on May 24, 2018 19:12:28 GMT -5
Live Feed of Press Conference: Love him or hate him, Lebron is honest and obsessed with the GAME! He recalls in detail his every turnover? Amazing!
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Post by cole on May 25, 2018 0:47:55 GMT -5
I saw an article where 6 experts picked when we were up 2-0 and 5 of the 6 said cavs in 6.
That's crazy to pick a team who just lost 2 to win the next 4. No more 4 day stretches to save them either.
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Post by drewski6 on May 25, 2018 8:54:55 GMT -5
Personally, I would trade Tatum long before I traded Brown. Brown has the potential to be the best player in the league. I feel like Tatum is better right now, but Tatum doesn't have Brown's limitless potential. I'm a chase the upside kind of guy.
Here is how I feel: With his shooting, size, hustle - Tatum is a borderline all-star right now. Because of his inconsistencies, Brown is not quite there yet.
However, if Brown learns a couple new moves around the basket, learns to harness his energy a bit better, and develops more consistentcy - he will easily surpass Tatum.
Tatum just doesnt have Brown's aggressiveness, body, energy, athleticism.
I expect that in 2 years this will be Brown's team; however, he and Tatum will both be stars. ALso, they are both 40% 3 pt shooters at this pt in time.
I change my opinion from I would trade Tatum, but not Brown. AFter writing this I realize, you have to keep both.
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Post by drewski6 on May 25, 2018 8:56:20 GMT -5
It feels like Tatum is the year 2 player and Jaylen is the rookie. But that doesnt mean that Tatum will fly by him. Development isnt linear.
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Post by drewski6 on May 25, 2018 9:27:10 GMT -5
The win now mode is now! We're one game from the finals, without two of our best players! With or without a trade we could win it all next year! Hell, we could win it all this year!! Reckoned - If you think we do not even have a puncher's chance in this year's (hopefully) NBA Finals, you guys still are not sure about this team. After the Irving injury I had predicted that we would have a decent chance against either Philly or Cavs: celticshomecourt.freeforums.net/post/43743/threadI do not stand pat and say we will make it to the finals and ESPN will of course predict either a sweep or a gentleman's sweep against us and boy WILL THEY BE WRONG. Do not be content guys, I know we have been overachieving, but we actually have been underachieving on away courts in the playoffs. What if we started playing on away courts the way our regular season stats showed?? Love this. Not looking past the Cavs, but we have more than a puncher's chance against whichever team comes out of the West. I do not know what GS is doing right now, but the extremely overrated Draymond Green is being used way too much. I dont know why he continues to get so many touches offensively. Durant scares the crap out of me, but I wonder how he would handle Morris' in your face/physical style of D. He's a finesse player, so I *hope* Morris can bully him off his game. We had some battles with the Rockets this year and they are certainly a great team. Put CP3 looks to pass first and the Celtics play great team D and guard the passing lanes very well. Especially Tatum with his sneaky reach. You can't look to pass as often as CP3 does without turning the ball over against this team. Harden is a monster, but Harden against TR12 isnt the mismatch that Lebron against TR12 is. Also against either team, we can go with our smaller lineup (Morris > Baynes), which I think is when we are at our best.
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Post by puddin on May 25, 2018 9:36:35 GMT -5
Personally, I would trade Tatum long before I traded Brown. Brown has the potential to be the best player in the league. I feel like Tatum is better right now, but Tatum doesn't have Brown's limitless potential. I'm a chase the upside kind of guy. Here is how I feel: With his shooting, size, hustle - Tatum is a borderline all-star right now. Because of his inconsistencies, Brown is not quite there yet. However, if Brown learns a couple new moves around the basket, learns to harness his energy a bit better, and develops more consistentcy - he will easily surpass Tatum. Tatum just doesnt have Brown's aggressiveness, body, energy, athleticism. I expect that in 2 years this will be Brown's team; however, he and Tatum will both be stars. ALso, they are both 40% 3 pt shooters at this pt in time. I change my opinion from I would trade Tatum, but not Brown. AFter writing this I realize, you have to keep both. A lot of "ifs" before JB becomes the best player in the league.
Tatum seems to love the bright lights and rises steadily to the occasion. Very impressive for a rook.
Not sure that JB has that huge intangible ....
However, if he does......
Pud
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Post by Cabutan on May 25, 2018 11:49:49 GMT -5
Personally, I would trade Tatum long before I traded Brown. Brown has the potential to be the best player in the league. I feel like Tatum is better right now, but Tatum doesn't have Brown's limitless potential. I'm a chase the upside kind of guy. Here is how I feel: With his shooting, size, hustle - Tatum is a borderline all-star right now. Because of his inconsistencies, Brown is not quite there yet. However, if Brown learns a couple new moves around the basket, learns to harness his energy a bit better, and develops more consistentcy - he will easily surpass Tatum. Tatum just doesnt have Brown's aggressiveness, body, energy, athleticism. I expect that in 2 years this will be Brown's team; however, he and Tatum will both be stars. ALso, they are both 40% 3 pt shooters at this pt in time. I change my opinion from I would trade Tatum, but not Brown. AFter writing this I realize, you have to keep both. Potential. I dont think we have seen anything yet from Tatum. In the last two games, Brown moves have been exposed. He needs new material. There was no one that could guard Tatum in the Philly Series, ditto on this series as well. Like Pierce said, once Tatum realizes that this is his team, watch out.
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 25, 2018 12:06:56 GMT -5
I do not want to face LeBron in a Game 7. Let's end this tonight. Get off to a good start, stop Korver, Smith and Hill. The first quarter will determine the outcome of the game, IMO.
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Post by hedleylamarr on May 25, 2018 12:09:15 GMT -5
Although it would be fun, I can't comment on the West until we get out of the East. Dethrone LeBron, then let's worry about how we play next.......that's my attitude
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Post by kyceltic on May 25, 2018 12:12:38 GMT -5
I do not want to face LeBron in a Game 7. Let's end this tonight. Get off to a good start, stop Korver, Smith and Hill. The first quarter will determine the outcome of the game, IMO. agree! If Tatum and Brown have good games, they can't beat us! That's not asking too much of a barely 20 year old, and a 21 year old, is it??
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Post by fierce on May 25, 2018 12:35:37 GMT -5
I do not want to face LeBron in a Game 7. Let's end this tonight. Get off to a good start, stop Korver, Smith and Hill. The first quarter will determine the outcome of the game, IMO. agree! If Tatum and Brown have good games, they can't beat us! That's not asking too much of a barely 20 year old, and a 21 year old, is it?? Tatum will be fine. It's Brown and Rozier that must show up.
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Post by Cabutan on May 25, 2018 13:04:51 GMT -5
agree! If Tatum and Brown have good games, they can't beat us! That's not asking too much of a barely 20 year old, and a 21 year old, is it?? Tatum will be fine. It's Brown and Rozier that must show up. Ill add that we need Baynes to keep Thomson out of the boards. He did such a great job in the last game. Thomson is the one guy that changes the tempo to their side with rebounds and putbacks.
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Post by cole on May 25, 2018 13:47:59 GMT -5
Baynes is one of our best remaining players and needs to be used. Brad just has to find ways. Starting Thompson made it a lot easier.
Now watch lue start Nance
School's out for summer, no need to post the video admin. I've heard it plenty this year.
Schools out and the Celtics aren't! Looks like a green summer.
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Post by elvissurfs on May 25, 2018 14:28:11 GMT -5
Personally, I would trade Tatum long before I traded Brown. Brown has the potential to be the best player in the league. I feel like Tatum is better right now, but Tatum doesn't have Brown's limitless potential. I'm a chase the upside kind of guy. Here is how I feel: With his shooting, size, hustle - Tatum is a borderline all-star right now. Because of his inconsistencies, Brown is not quite there yet. However, if Brown learns a couple new moves around the basket, learns to harness his energy a bit better, and develops more consistentcy - he will easily surpass Tatum. Tatum just doesnt have Brown's aggressiveness, body, energy, athleticism. I expect that in 2 years this will be Brown's team; however, he and Tatum will both be stars. ALso, they are both 40% 3 pt shooters at this pt in time. I change my opinion from I would trade Tatum, but not Brown. AFter writing this I realize, you have to keep both. 'Learn a couple more moves'...wtf?...did he just start playing basketball?... I like Brown but he has this look in his eyes like he is lacking in confidence, or just plain recklessness/go for it...maybe it is just my wrong perception...Tatum seems to have that same Pierce attitude that he is all that even though he aint (quite yet)...
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