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Post by petey62 on Feb 12, 2018 15:03:49 GMT -5
And two weeks ago the cavs were getting destroyed. Three weeks from now it will be the raps and then the raps and the cavs. We will still win the east, I think. Such are the ups and downs of an nba season. I watch the incoming schedules a lot. Weve had a stretch of more rested teams. We should have rested guys for the indy game if we wanted to compete with the cavs. Great points. It's a long season. My point is this - Brad has 15 players. He can't shoot for them, or pass for them. He can only play who is "hot" during that game. If no one is hot.....I'm sorry, but that's not on him. Our defense was terrible, he admitted that after the game. He tried a bunch of different people, none of them could defend to save their life. This is not football, and there are very few "in game adjustments" that can be made in an NBA game. Except for Smart, we had the same defenders we've had all year. We had the same offense, and shooters we've had all year. They sucked against the Cavs, plain and simple. I really don't get what kind of "in game" adjustments need to be made. The players need to play harder, and better.......... An example of an in-game adjustment is Toronto picking up Horford at the half court line and sticking Ibaka on him throughout the entire possession. In my opinion, if you're the coach and you see that, you have to figure out a way to mitigate that and allow your offense to run through Horford as it usually does a lot of times. A great coach will "adjust" and not let this tactic completely take your team out of its comfort zone. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 15:24:39 GMT -5
Monroe played 11 minutes yesterday. Did you even watch the friggin' game? Wow! Daryl, the Celts got their butts kicked. There is much to be disappointed about. However: 1) As you have advocated, the Celts are playing their younger players even if it means losing some games. So why get so upset? 2) Danny was masterful in building and leveraging IT. Built up his stature and trade value, effectively used his recruiting and then utilized the trade value at the right time. So why piss on him? IT is not a Celtic and we have Kyrie. Or are you telling off people like me who never advocated a big contract for IT but were very appreciative of what he did for the Celts? 3) Monroe lost his role with the Bucks, got traded to the pathetic Suns and got bought out. Do you think that he has potential to add a lot of value to the Celts? The Celts will be better once Gordon Hayward joins them and I believe that he will join them this year, although in limited capacity. |
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Post by dfries13 on Feb 12, 2018 15:28:08 GMT -5
I'm a teacher as well. I can do a lot of things at once. We are off today.............LOL.....Lincoln's birthday. What do you teach, Cole? And, yes, we teachers can certainly multi-task Great im sure your a top notch Teacher. My lady friend here teaches high school English. I happen to love teachers all but one. You must teach in Orange Co LA County don't have a Lincoln holiday. Oddly enough my wife's great grandmother was a Lincoln ist cousins to Abe. We don't have a Lincoln holiday in Va for obvious reasons. Im not buying yours and Coles argument. I see Pud and Petey arn't buying it either and a couple others.. I detest brown nose folks and snitches you have both bases covered. Keep u p the good work, Oh Your grade ill post it F- |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 12, 2018 15:29:44 GMT -5
Great points. It's a long season. My point is this - Brad has 15 players. He can't shoot for them, or pass for them. He can only play who is "hot" during that game. If no one is hot.....I'm sorry, but that's not on him. Our defense was terrible, he admitted that after the game. He tried a bunch of different people, none of them could defend to save their life. This is not football, and there are very few "in game adjustments" that can be made in an NBA game. Except for Smart, we had the same defenders we've had all year. We had the same offense, and shooters we've had all year. They sucked against the Cavs, plain and simple. I really don't get what kind of "in game" adjustments need to be made. The players need to play harder, and better.......... An example of an in-game adjustment is Toronto picking up Horford at the half court line and sticking Ibaka on him throughout the entire possession. In my opinion, if you're the coach and you see that, you have to figure out a way to mitigate that and allow your offense to run through Horford as it usually does a lot of times. A great coach will "adjust" and not let this tactic completely take your team out of its comfort zone. I missed the TOR game, Petey, the only one I've missed. I had my own game to coach. From what I understand, though, in the past 2 weeks, at least, we have not had a comfort zone on offense. Again, not seeing the game, I've looked at the box score. We were outscored in the first 3 quarters, and Horford had a dreadful game. I would say that if we were winning, and Dwayne Casey made the above in game adjustment, and TOR then played better and took the lead, then, yes, that's on Brad. But........if we're already losing, are you saying that if we started running the ball through Horford, as you suggest, that, in and of itself, would have eased our offensive woes? Because I really don't think anything would have helped us in that game. We were outscored 36-19 in the second quarter. Now, I agree there is an underlying problem, and I agree Brad needs to figure it out...........but he is widely regarded as one f the best situational coaches in the league. He has to play the players....if they all stink that day, that's not on him. |
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Post by dfries13 on Feb 12, 2018 15:31:09 GMT -5
Monroe played 11 minutes yesterday. Did you even watch the friggin' game? Wow! Daryl, the Celts got their butts kicked. There is much to be disappointed about. However: 1) As you have advocated, the Celts are playing their younger players even if it means losing some games. So why get so upset? 2) Danny was masterful in building and leveraging IT. Built up his stature and trade value, effectively used his recruiting and then utilized the trade value at the right time. So why piss on him? IT is not a Celtic and we have Kyrie. Or are you telling off people like me who never advocated a big contract for IT but were very appreciative of what he did for the Celts? 3) Monroe lost his role with the Bucks, got traded to the pathetic Suns and got bought out. Do you think that he has potential to add a lot of value to the Celts? The Celts will be better once Gordon Hayward joins them and I believe that he will join them this year, although in limited capacity. yES I said play the rookies your exactly right. Of course we will suffer short term . No argument. I still have grave issues about Stevens very grave. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 12, 2018 15:32:35 GMT -5
LOL - this is from my school's calendar:
Lincoln Day - Feb. 12
You're a funny guy, man.............you don't know squat, but you're a funny guy!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 15:33:20 GMT -5
The Celts are struggling because of lost scoring from Tatum. I think that he is pressing in this new "play with pace" system. Brown has been very inconsistent as well. They had so little scoring that losing any more could not be afforded. Also, I have now seen two games where they lost rhythm while trying to integrate new players in the game. In the Lakers game it was Jarell Eddie. They could not recover after they brought him in. In the Cavs game, Monroe's introduction turned a bad situation into worse.
It is a long season and I think that we will turn it around.
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Post by dfries13 on Feb 12, 2018 15:33:43 GMT -5
Cole, I'm sorry but I don't get this post.............." let it go and focus on the next". We got trounced by Toronto. Just blown out! We go into Washington who is without their best player, and eek out an overtime win. We go home the next night and lose, after getting down by 26 points, to Indiana. And then on Sunday, in front of a national TV audience with Celtic Pride on fully display, we get absolutely embarrassed by Cleveland. Early in the season, we'd get down by double-digits and we'd fight back to get the win. Now, when we're getting blown out in the 2nd or 3rd quarter, we're more likely to get blown out the rest of the game. I don't think you can simply dismiss having this occur so many times, IN JUST THE PAST WEEK, and take the mentality of, " the writing was on the wall, let this game go and focus on the next". I think focus needs to be paid to why we're playing the way we're playing lately.............AND FIX THAT. Honestly, I'm surprised Brad isn't called to the carpet on such horrible performances. There's got to be more going on internal than what we're seeing from this group.Like, what happens when we find ourselves down 18 in the 2nd or 3rd quarter against the Clippers? Something is wrong and BS needs to step up and make some changes. I'd like to hear Smart address what was going on with him and with the team when he showed his bee-hind and demanded to take the last shot 10 games ago that led to the loss and then to his misadventure off the court. He was at least in my own mind reacting to something going on behind the scenes. All is not well in Beantown. Pud Yes Pud it's more behind the Smart story something is amiss in beantown. |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 12, 2018 15:35:10 GMT -5
Monroe played 11 minutes yesterday. Did you even watch the friggin' game? Wow! Daryl, the Celts got their butts kicked. There is much to be disappointed about. However: 1) As you have advocated, the Celts are playing their younger players even if it means losing some games. So why get so upset? 2) Danny was masterful in building and leveraging IT. Built up his stature and trade value, effectively used his recruiting and then utilized the trade value at the right time. So why piss on him? IT is not a Celtic and we have Kyrie. Or are you telling off people like me who never advocated a big contract for IT but were very appreciative of what he did for the Celts? 3) Monroe lost his role with the Bucks, got traded to the pathetic Suns and got bought out. Do you think that he has potential to add a lot of value to the Celts? The Celts will be better once Gordon Hayward joins them and I believe that he will join them this year, although in limited capacity. He's so pissed right now, he's just saying stuff............we must just let him slide. His true colors, once again, are showing....he's talking out of both sides of Brad's mouth. First, he can't coach because he doesn't play the young guys, not he can't coach because.......well I don't know, but he's playing the young guys!! |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 12, 2018 15:38:31 GMT -5
We are off today.............LOL.....Lincoln's birthday. What do you teach, Cole? And, yes, we teachers can certainly multi-task Great im sure your a top notch Teacher. My lady friend here teaches high school English. I happen to love teachers all but one. You must teach in Orange Co LA County don't have a Lincoln holiday. Oddly enough my wife's great grandmother was a Lincoln ist cousins to Abe. We don't have a Lincoln holiday in Va for obvious reasons. Im not buying yours and Coles argument. I see Pud and Petey arn't buying it either and a couple others.. I detest brown nose folks and snitches you have both bases covered. Keep u p the good work, Oh Your grade ill post it F- I'm a FAN of the team. I've already said they haven't played well recently. And, as usual, it's the PLAYERS who aren't playing well......just like it always is. I'm not reporting you to Admin anymore, I mean it's not like you sent me a private message and threatened to have me killed or anything.................Oh, wait.......... |
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 12, 2018 15:39:58 GMT -5
Darryl was effing and jeffing just a couple of hours ago, saying he was done here, and doesn't care what people think of him. On days off, (LINCOLN DAY), it's really nice to have some low grade Internet humor
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Post by dfries13 on Feb 12, 2018 15:41:24 GMT -5
No not really Hedley . I couldn't smoke this morning like you suggested it's disrespectful to show up high for my class.
Im just fine now.
Yes i want the youngins to play i also want to see this Heave a Three and PRAY BS TO STOP.
I WANT BOTH. OK
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Post by dfries13 on Feb 12, 2018 15:44:47 GMT -5
I really said i was gonna kill ya.? NO.
i said f**k u up. Big difference.
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Post by drboogiebone on Feb 12, 2018 19:43:14 GMT -5
I had to shut this one off in the middle of the 3rd quarter. I have too much pride in my favorite franchise to see it humiliated for the 2nd time in the same week. Completely embarrassed by this team right now. But you know, the more and more I think about it, these guys (kids really) have overachieved. We have one elite scorer on this team, and that's it. Horford has moments and is a smart solid vet on the decline, and nothing more. We got a bit spoiled with how this team came roaring out of the gates. But here's the thing, These guys are entirely too young/inexperienced to have developed the "hunger" it requires to compete at this high level. They haven't had to spend years fighting and clawing their way just to get into the playoffs. Much less, go through teams that seem to whip their butt no matter how hard they try in the playoffs. They're riding on the back of a former champion and respected vet. And by doing so, luckily, they still remained at the top of the East, getting spoiled all the more. But that's all gone now. #1 in the East isn't going to happen again this year, I feel pretty confident in saying... The lack of "hunger for more" from these kids are what's bogging this team down. Brown seems more concerned with outside social events and protests then keeping his eye on the prize. Tatum seems more interested in sneaking into night clubs while being an underaged (proud?) new parent, then working off his funk in the gym. Just to name a few. These kids are still more focused on what they're going to spend all their new-found riches on, instead of holding themselves accountable to their own words... "I want to be one of the greats". Too busy shopping for diamonds, jewelry, clothes, and women. Their mistakes and mental breakdowns on the court doesn't even seen to bother them all to much, from what I've seen. Just clap their hands together, say "my bad", and on to the next mistake. Scrub, rinse, repeat.
So mark my words C's fans. This team should count their lucky stars if they even get to the 2nd round with the way they've played over this past month and more. Cause right now, I don't think they could beat Miami, Washington, or Milwaukee in a 7 game series. Not to mention, even the dream of beating Toronto or Cleveland, which they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as. These kids need to do some serious soul searching. Unfortunately, I think they're all too young to know how, or to even care at this point in their career.
I said at the beginning of this season that I really like this team. Truth be told, I do really like this team. But these growing pains are SOOOOO hard to deal with.
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Post by elvissurfs on Feb 12, 2018 20:08:38 GMT -5
agree 100% you were at the wizards game what did you notice about our team, that you may not see on tv? Watching this team in person, I really cannot tell what underlying factor is working against them. I can tell by watching though that everyone is not on the same page. I believe that both Brown and Tatum are pressing too much because there is nobody behind them. They need more experience to know when to be aggressive and when to let the game come to them. I think Kyrie is desperate for a Robin to his Batman and it looks like, from where I sit, HE doesn't believe it's Horford. Horford needs to commit himself to being much more than a 13.2 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 5.2 APG "Glue Guy". IMO, I believe Al Horford could easily be an 18 PPG player while still impacting the overall game the way he does. For some odd reason, he chooses not to be. I think, outside of Kyrie, the Celtics really have nobody who has even the ability to "take over a game". I think that's a source of frustration for Kyrie when he looks around and sees the talent yet that talent doesn't fully assert itself (Horford) or is not mature enough to maximize its impact (Tatum, Brown, Rozier). Fully agree on that Kyrie has to be very frustrated...also, Tatum is not only lacking experience but size...he is still a kid...he will get much bigger and stronger over the next few years...in the meantime at least he is getting some playing time, which BS would not give him if Hayward was there...so we should benefit from that next year, as Hayward hopefully SLOWLY works himself back... meanwhile, dfries has a point, although not expressed very well/nicely (understatement to the max....KOOOOK, cmon man, get it together, you are one of the best posters here...)...BS seems be up to the same old bs and cant seem to adapt to changing scenarios around him...I do not think there is a better coach out there to hire, but he needs to grow with the team as well... |
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Post by elvissurfs on Feb 12, 2018 20:23:19 GMT -5
I had to shut this one off in the middle of the 3rd quarter. I have too much pride in my favorite franchise to see it humiliated for the 2nd time in the same week. Completely embarrassed by this team right now. But you know, the more and more I think about it, these guys (kids really) have overachieved. We have one elite scorer on this team, and that's it. Horford has moments and is a smart solid vet on the decline, and nothing more. We got a bit spoiled with how this team came roaring out of the gates. But here's the thing, These guys are entirely too young/inexperienced to have developed the "hunger" it requires to compete at this high level. They haven't had to spend years fighting and clawing their way just to get into the playoffs. Much less, go through teams that seem to whip their butt no matter how hard they try in the playoffs. They're riding on the back of a former champion and respected vet. And by doing so, luckily, they still remained at the top of the East, getting spoiled all the more. But that's all gone now. #1 in the East isn't going to happen again this year, I feel pretty confident in saying... The lack of "hunger for more" from these kids are what's bogging this team down. Brown seems more concerned with outside social events and protests then keeping his eye on the prize. Tatum seems more interested in sneaking into night clubs while being an underaged (proud?) new parent, then working off his funk in the gym. Just to name a few. These kids are still more focused on what they're going to spend all their new-found riches on, instead of holding themselves accountable to their own words... "I want to be one of the greats". Too busy shopping for diamonds, jewelry, clothes, and women. Their mistakes and mental breakdowns on the court doesn't even seen to bother them all to much, from what I've seen. Just clap their hands together, say "my bad", and on to the next mistake. Scrub, rinse, repeat. So mark my words C's fans. This team should count their lucky stars if they even get to the 2nd round with the way they've played over this past month and more. Cause right now, I don't think they could beat Miami, Washington, or Milwaukee in a 7 game series. Not to mention, even the dream of beating Toronto or Cleveland, which they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as. These kids need to do some serious soul searching. Unfortunately, I think you're all too young to know how, or to even care at this point in their career. I said at the beginning of this season that I really like this team. Truth be told, I do really like this team. But these growing pains are SOOOOO hard to deal with. great (and lengthy) analysis not to be discounted, but Tatum has a kid already? wtf?!?! well that is a hell of a distraction for a 19 year old...geez... |
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Post by dfries13 on Feb 12, 2018 21:04:10 GMT -5
Ok Elvis
Your right i was out of line, “There are a great many people in the country today, who through no fault of their own, are sane.” I'm not one of them.
Im not gonna continue this conversation but i think Doc is half right and im half right.
Wax up my surfboard please and pick me up at the airport.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Feb 12, 2018 21:14:07 GMT -5
Half right.................but never wrong!
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Post by elvissurfs on Feb 12, 2018 21:19:11 GMT -5
yeah, no worries, but your disrespect towards Hedley is over the top...he bends over backwards to be fair, to say the least...and as far as him reporting you to admin, heck, no need for that, we all read EVERYTHING...to lose your posts here would truly suck...especially in the years ahead...
and also, cmon...why get so worked up?...yeah it suxxx the Celts sukkk, but heck, we are at least contending, and we all are alive, have friends and/or family...and gawd willing will live to see the idiot in thief hang from a rope like Saddamm...stay tuned...every day is a blessing...
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Post by elvissurfs on Feb 12, 2018 21:28:08 GMT -5
And I doubt Danny or Brad are reading this thread, and obviously nothing any of us thinks here effects the Celts in any way...
except the leprechaun might be aware of and scouting your nephew now...the squeaky wheel gets the grease... |
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Post by dfries13 on Feb 12, 2018 21:34:13 GMT -5
Hedley is a McCoy im a Hatfield. Read the story pick a side or sit on the fence and watch it's not likely to change.
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Post by dfries13 on Feb 12, 2018 21:35:49 GMT -5
Half right.................but never wrong! You got it old friend. |
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Post by kyceltic on Feb 12, 2018 21:57:41 GMT -5
agree 100% you were at the wizards game what did you notice about our team, that you may not see on tv? Watching this team in person, I really cannot tell what underlying factor is working against them. I can tell by watching though that everyone is not on the same page. I believe that both Brown and Tatum are pressing too much because there is nobody behind them. They need more experience to know when to be aggressive and when to let the game come to them. I think Kyrie is desperate for a Robin to his Batman and it looks like, from where I sit, HE doesn't believe it's Horford. Horford needs to commit himself to being much more than a 13.2 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 5.2 APG "Glue Guy". IMO, I believe Al Horford could easily be an 18 PPG player while still impacting the overall game the way he does. For some odd reason, he chooses not to be. I think, outside of Kyrie, the Celtics really have nobody who has even the ability to "take over a game". I think that's a source of frustration for Kyrie when he looks around and sees the talent yet that talent doesn't fully assert itself (Horford) or is not mature enough to maximize its impact (Tatum, Brown, Rozier). Thanks Petey!! Pretty much agree on everything you said This is why I wanted Tyreke, he would have given us another guy who could score! |
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Post by cole on Feb 12, 2018 22:22:54 GMT -5
sometimes it's enough for a moderator to just whitewash a few words
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Post by cole on Feb 12, 2018 22:34:03 GMT -5
The FBI has determined that Fries' posts require redaction!
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