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Post by drewski6 on Mar 15, 2024 9:49:43 GMT -5
So the Vikes just acquired another first round pick. Would you trade #3 to the Vikes for #11 and #23?? We could still trade for Fields, or just draft Nix or McCarthy............. Again, not a football guy, but tightwad Kraft isn't "burning cash", so why not get all the picks we can? #11 and 23 is not enough for 3, but wouldnt be against trading down or trading for a player.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 15, 2024 9:53:49 GMT -5
So the Vikes just acquired another first round pick. Would you trade #3 to the Vikes for #11 and #23?? We could still trade for Fields, or just draft Nix or McCarthy............. Again, not a football guy, but tightwad Kraft isn't "burning cash", so why not get all the picks we can? #11 and 23 is not enough for 3, but wouldnt be against trading down or trading for a player. See, this is what I mean. I need a football guy here. So, what is fair for #3?
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 15, 2024 9:55:37 GMT -5
Yeah but. We'll see how the Yankees do. The Yankees have a 290 mil payroll almost double ours. Now if they don't win a championship heads will fly off. They also are tied up for years with a poor farm system. We can't compete with them this year in all honestly. There is a long game and the Sox are playing that. I see this as a year of developing young players for the Sox . I'm kinda siding with the Henry Group near 300 mil is too much to overcome. Henry has brought us 4 championships WYC one in the same timeframe. Four beats one right? Some counter points Id make 1. Other teams with higher payrolls might implode so we are okay to not even try = feels like too low of a bar to me. But for entertainment purposes, would be fun watching Yanks spend all this money and fall on their face. So I agree thats a silver lining and maybe a reason to follow MLB this year, but dont think it excuses Sox actions 2. Sox, from what Ive seen, havent really been playing the long game. Theyve been playing a hybrid game where they seem directionless. They missed opportunities to sell for prospects in recent years and theyve missed opportunities to load up on guys with an eye for flipping them. Look at Sale, who was a bad contract. But they still managed to salvage value from him by eating some $$. This is more of what Id like to see. Sign mid-tier free agents, eat a few bucks to increase their trade value, flip em 3. Playing kids is not always the best formula for the long game. You start their FA clock earlier, essentially losing years of control down the line. Im also not convinced that forcing guys into MLB is developing. I think you can do a better job developing them working with them in AA and correcting their mechanics w less pressure vs throwing them into MLB due to not wanting to sign guys. Bad habits can develop this way. 4. Surprised the Patriots havent done more with all their cap room. And I see the resemblance to the Sox. 2 last place teams with budget room not using it. 5. Off topic, but anyone questioning the "cheapness" of the Celtics owners - quote by Hed. From what Ive seen , its really just one guy (KDP) who has been pounding the table that Celtics are cheap, and Ive never really agreed with it. Like KDP as a poster, but this is one notion that I cant get behind. Above points submitted by me respectively to all mentioned or responded to (Hed, Dee, KDP) Agree. So, I amend my comment to mean play the young guys when they are ready. Not rushing. I'm all for signing mid-tier FA's, but where are they?
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 15, 2024 9:57:09 GMT -5
Adam Duvall - 1 year and 3 mill. I know, not a pitcher, but losing him AND Turner for nothing?? Cheap bastards!
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 15, 2024 10:07:30 GMT -5
#11 and 23 is not enough for 3, but wouldnt be against trading down or trading for a player. See, this is what I mean. I need a football guy here. So, what is fair for #3? Im not a football guy either, just going by what ive read. 3->11 is a big drop off. Maybe if it was 3 for 6 and 23.
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Post by Admin on Mar 15, 2024 10:13:11 GMT -5
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 15, 2024 10:15:05 GMT -5
#11 and 23 is not enough for 3, but wouldnt be against trading down or trading for a player. See, this is what I mean. I need a football guy here. So, what is fair for #3? www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/5/8/5683486/nfl-draft-trade-value-chartThis was pointed out to me by someone who is way more of a football guy than I am. #3 has 2200 trade value units; #11 has 1250 and #23 has 760. So 11 and 23 has 2,010. So I guess its actually closer than i though. But the difference between 2200 and 2010 is 190 which is the equiv of a mid third. Plus because they are the ones trading up for a QB I think you can charge a premium. So maybe have them add in their third, which I assume (not sure) would be #11 of third round which is 215 trade value units. I would also try to get a fourth or fifth because "hey, you like drake maye, you should be willing to pay up"
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 15, 2024 11:38:29 GMT -5
Yeah but. We'll see how the Yankees do. The Yankees have a 290 mil payroll almost double ours. Now if they don't win a championship heads will fly off. They also are tied up for years with a poor farm system. We can't compete with them this year in all honestly. There is a long game and the Sox are playing that. I see this as a year of developing young players for the Sox . I'm kinda siding with the Henry Group near 300 mil is too much to overcome. Henry has brought us 4 championships WYC one in the same timeframe. Four beats one right? I'm all for developing players. We have a nice group of young players, and we need to see how they do. My question would be pitching. Aside from Bello, who is a young pitcher we have? Crawford? It's very disheartening to watch our pitchers get hammered all the time. Why not get Montgomery? If Bello is our ace, we are doomed to another last place finish. And we sign a guy who can't pitch this year, and maybe next. I'm all for the development, and missing the playoffs, but to tell us you're going to spend, and not get any pitching at all (and I hear they want to trade Kenley) is kind of insulting. We are not stupid fans. At least give the impression you're going to compete. This is Boston, not Tampa!! We got outbid on those Japanese pitchers. That might be a mistake we'll see how they do. IDt there is pitcher left that will make us competitive. Maybe a couple of miracle trades will happen but i doubt it. BTW I'm not happy with the Sox either but i suppose over the years i got used to them losing. The Celtics not so much.
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 15, 2024 11:50:39 GMT -5
Yeah but. We'll see how the Yankees do. The Yankees have a 290 mil payroll almost double ours. Now if they don't win a championship heads will fly off. They also are tied up for years with a poor farm system. We can't compete with them this year in all honestly. There is a long game and the Sox are playing that. I see this as a year of developing young players for the Sox . I'm kinda siding with the Henry Group near 300 mil is too much to overcome. Henry has brought us 4 championships WYC one in the same timeframe. Four beats one right? Some counter points Id make 1. Other teams with higher payrolls might implode so we are okay to not even try = feels like too low of a bar to me. But for entertainment purposes, would be fun watching Yanks spend all this money and fall on their face. So I agree thats a silver lining and maybe a reason to follow MLB this year, but dont think it excuses Sox actions 2. Sox, from what Ive seen, havent really been playing the long game. Theyve been playing a hybrid game where they seem directionless. They missed opportunities to sell for prospects in recent years and theyve missed opportunities to load up on guys with an eye for flipping them. Look at Sale, who was a bad contract. But they still managed to salvage value from him by eating some $$. This is more of what Id like to see. Sign mid-tier free agents, eat a few bucks to increase their trade value, flip em 3. Playing kids is not always the best formula for the long game. You start their FA clock earlier, essentially losing years of control down the line. Im also not convinced that forcing guys into MLB is developing. I think you can do a better job developing them working with them in AA and correcting their mechanics w less pressure vs throwing them into MLB due to not wanting to sign guys. Bad habits can develop this way. 4. Surprised the Patriots havent done more with all their cap room. And I see the resemblance to the Sox. 2 last place teams with budget room not using it. 5. Off topic, but anyone questioning the "cheapness" of the Celtics owners - quote by Hed. From what Ive seen , its really just one guy (KDP) who has been pounding the table that Celtics are cheap, and Ive never really agreed with it. Like KDP as a poster, but this is one notion that I cant get behind. Above points submitted by me respectively to all mentioned or responded to (Hed, Dee, KDP) Yes there always be a Hybrid approach on any sport. Letting Mookie go was wrong. Bogy i agree with not matching. There are no FA i see that will help the sox this year maybe there was and they missed a couple IDK. The last two years have been a low point maybe Epstein will help i hope. Wyc cheap? Was or is? Was maybe We'll be over the second apron for 2 years after that i expect he'll tighten his belt. Don't follow football either but have at it
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 15, 2024 11:53:17 GMT -5
Adam Duvall - 1 year and 3 mill. I know, not a pitcher, but losing him AND Turner for nothing?? Cheap bastards! I won't miss either one but they could have traded one or both last season and got draft picks or players
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 15, 2024 12:03:58 GMT -5
Some counter points Id make 1. Other teams with higher payrolls might implode so we are okay to not even try = feels like too low of a bar to me. But for entertainment purposes, would be fun watching Yanks spend all this money and fall on their face. So I agree thats a silver lining and maybe a reason to follow MLB this year, but dont think it excuses Sox actions 2. Sox, from what Ive seen, havent really been playing the long game. Theyve been playing a hybrid game where they seem directionless. They missed opportunities to sell for prospects in recent years and theyve missed opportunities to load up on guys with an eye for flipping them. Look at Sale, who was a bad contract. But they still managed to salvage value from him by eating some $$. This is more of what Id like to see. Sign mid-tier free agents, eat a few bucks to increase their trade value, flip em 3. Playing kids is not always the best formula for the long game. You start their FA clock earlier, essentially losing years of control down the line. Im also not convinced that forcing guys into MLB is developing. I think you can do a better job developing them working with them in AA and correcting their mechanics w less pressure vs throwing them into MLB due to not wanting to sign guys. Bad habits can develop this way. 4. Surprised the Patriots havent done more with all their cap room. And I see the resemblance to the Sox. 2 last place teams with budget room not using it. 5. Off topic, but anyone questioning the "cheapness" of the Celtics owners - quote by Hed. From what Ive seen , its really just one guy (KDP) who has been pounding the table that Celtics are cheap, and Ive never really agreed with it. Like KDP as a poster, but this is one notion that I cant get behind. Above points submitted by me respectively to all mentioned or responded to (Hed, Dee, KDP) Yes there always be a Hybrid approach on any sport. Letting Mookie go was wrong. Bogy i agree with not matching. T here are no FA i see that will help the sox this year maybe there was and they missed a couple IDK. The last two years have been a low point maybe Epstein will help i hope. Wyc cheap? Was or is? Was maybe We'll be over the second apron for 2 years after that i expect he'll tighten his belt. Don't follow football either but have at it The Royals signed Chapman even though he didnt make them a playoff team, and flipped him for a guy who will be their #1 starter this year. Blooms first year (his only good one) he signed guys like Pillar and Moreland. Low impact guys, but he flipped em. Any FA can help you play the long game. The ole sign and flip can really help a rebuild.
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 15, 2024 12:04:57 GMT -5
Adam Duvall - 1 year and 3 mill. I know, not a pitcher, but losing him AND Turner for nothing?? Cheap bastards! I won't miss either one but they could have traded one or both last season and got draft picks or players And could have resigned them this year and flipped for prospects at a later date.
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 15, 2024 12:21:00 GMT -5
I won't miss either one but they could have traded one or both last season and got draft picks or players And could have resigned them this year and flipped for prospects at a later date. Duvall for 3mil yes. Turner at 13 mil i'm not sure. We should have traded both before the trade deadline August 1st.. We knew we were going nowhere last year. What Bloom was thinking IDK we had as many holes as a screen door.
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 15, 2024 12:31:11 GMT -5
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 15, 2024 13:36:34 GMT -5
And could have resigned them this year and flipped for prospects at a later date. Duvall for 3mil yes. Turner at 13 mil i'm not sure. We should have traded both before the trade deadline August 1st.. We knew we were going nowhere last year. What Bloom was thinking IDK we had as many holes as a screen door. Turner at 13M becomes 6M at the deadline, then you eat 3M. So team gets him for a playoff push at 3M. That has some value. With the 7 youve paid him prior to deadline + 3M eaten, you pay 10M for whatever he returns. Its lack of these kind of deals that go up my ass.
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Post by drewski6 on Mar 15, 2024 13:38:10 GMT -5
Fair. But Id still like to be signing and flipping vets. If this means a prospect has to share some time or stay down (giving you extra years of control) before you flip the vet, thats fine with me.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 15, 2024 13:41:25 GMT -5
First page says it all. Only 3 pitchers. One is 21 in AA and not ready. One is 20 and has been hurt, and the last is 24, and we got him from the Yankees. What's to be excited about for this year?
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 15, 2024 13:52:30 GMT -5
Fair. But Id still like to be signing and flipping vets. If this means a prospect has to share some time or stay down (giving you extra years of control) before you flip the vet, thats fine with me. Yeah signing and flipping vets can give immediate results. Doesn't look like that's happening is why i dismissed it. Looks to me like Bloom lost his way if he ever knew where he was going.. IDK much about the three Yankee pitchers we got for Verdugo but i'm convinced it helps the Yankees more than us this year none were a top prospect.. This was the ist sign i seen that.... We give up . The Sox were dead last year and will be dead this year.. I'm an oddball i waited over 45 years for a championship i'm case hardened it don't faze me. Just the opposite with the Celtics i demand a championship this year.
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 15, 2024 13:56:36 GMT -5
First page says it all. Only 3 pitchers. One is 21 in AA and not ready. One is 20 and has been hurt, and the last is 24, and we got him from the Yankees. What's to be excited about for this year? Yeah i noticed lack of pitchers.. I'm not excited Heds. I'm Comfortably Numb
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Post by elvissurfs on Mar 15, 2024 21:14:06 GMT -5
Fair. But Id still like to be signing and flipping vets. If this means a prospect has to share some time or stay down (giving you extra years of control) before you flip the vet, thats fine with me. Yeah signing and flipping vets can give immediate results. Doesn't look like that's happening is why i dismissed it. Looks to me like Bloom lost his way if he ever knew where he was going.. IDK much about the three Yankee pitchers we got for Verdugo but i'm convinced it helps the Yankees more than us this year none were a top prospect.. This was the ist sign i seen that.... We give up . The Sox were dead last year and will be dead this year.. I'm an oddball i waited over 45 years for a championship i'm case hardened it don't faze me. Just the opposite with the Celtics i demand a championship this year. Bloom lost his bloom?...
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Post by hedleylamarr on Mar 16, 2024 8:47:17 GMT -5
Not happy about this:
Pat Bev Pod: Marcus Morris Sr. Is planning to sign with the Cleveland Cavs – Per Sources – via Twitter Top Rumors, Free Agency, Marcus Morris, Cleveland Cavaliers
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Post by cole on Mar 16, 2024 9:10:58 GMT -5
Not happy about this: Pat Bev Pod: Marcus Morris Sr. Is planning to sign with the Cleveland Cavs – Per Sources – via Twitter Top Rumors, Free Agency, Marcus Morris, Cleveland Cavaliers He's not the guy he was for us. I'm not scared of him at all. He's a willing enforcer but I'd rather use the new Al for that.
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Post by puddin on Mar 16, 2024 10:15:11 GMT -5
Fair. But Id still like to be signing and flipping vets. If this means a prospect has to share some time or stay down (giving you extra years of control) before you flip the vet, thats fine with me. Yeah signing and flipping vets can give immediate results. Doesn't look like that's happening is why i dismissed it. Looks to me like Bloom lost his way if he ever knew where he was going.. IDK much about the three Yankee pitchers we got for Verdugo but i'm convinced it helps the Yankees more than us this year none were a top prospect.. This was the ist sign i seen that.... We give up . The Sox were dead last year and will be dead this year.. I'm an oddball i waited over 45 years for a championship i'm case hardened it don't faze me. Just the opposite with the Celtics i demand a championship this year. I've got a problem with any player who has ever worn Yankee pinstripes being on my team.
Maybe it was the way I was raised.....
Pud
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Post by dfries13 on Mar 16, 2024 10:36:31 GMT -5
Yeah signing and flipping vets can give immediate results. Doesn't look like that's happening is why i dismissed it. Looks to me like Bloom lost his way if he ever knew where he was going.. IDK much about the three Yankee pitchers we got for Verdugo but i'm convinced it helps the Yankees more than us this year none were a top prospect.. This was the ist sign i seen that.... We give up . The Sox were dead last year and will be dead this year.. I'm an oddball i waited over 45 years for a championship i'm case hardened it don't faze me. Just the opposite with the Celtics i demand a championship this year. I've got a problem with any player who has ever worn Yankee pinstripes being on my team.
Maybe it was the way I was raised.....
Pud
Unfortunately 1957 passed by Pud and Brooklyn is run by the Russian Mafia not these folks you see in the street..
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Post by puddin on Mar 16, 2024 13:13:58 GMT -5
I've got a problem with any player who has ever worn Yankee pinstripes being on my team.
Maybe it was the way I was raised.....
Pud
View Attachment Unfortunately 1957 passed by Pud and Brooklyn is run by the Russian Mafia not these folks you see in the street.. "I'm an oddball i waited over 45 years for a championship i'm case hardened it don't faze me."
PeeWee sez he's an oddball:
.... sorry PeeWee.... no F'N way!
BTW... ever notice the XXX movie theater seats and floor have an oddly sticky something to it
And it isn't ketchup/mustard goo either!
More like unborn children juice if the Alabama Supreme Court has a say in it.
Pud
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