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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2023 23:35:20 GMT -5
PART III
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 17, 2023 9:10:03 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2023 11:01:00 GMT -5
I doubt we add another guard ... I think if Brogdon goes that means Pritchard stays and JD Davison gets to be the future Pritchard riding the bench. If this Cap stuff reigns in payrolls, Pritchard and draft picks ready to contribute now will become very valuable.
I do like Jaquez Jr and initially Vukcevic but I've found some other Bigs to be reviewed first ... I'm putting them together for the next couple of posts.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2023 11:05:13 GMT -5
Here are the Bigs rated from #23 thru #56 ... extended from #35 > #23 in case Brad moves up somehow:
Page I of III (https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft)
A greenhorn in age and experience for sure but a future big ripe for developing ...
Other than lacking in the long game and a poor FT%, this guy would make Drewski happy with his lateral quickness and ability to switch onto guards! Just what we need for the inside game we're lacking & a rebounder/shot blocker as well. Only problem ... will he slip or will we jump?
Another greenhorn with a 7'2" wingspan and poor FT shooter but with an inside game and a defensive prowess ... needs to bulk up!
Jackson-Davis is more of a PF (John Collins comp) than C and they seem to be harder to come by these days. At 6'8" he's lacking length (6'8") but has bulk at 240lbs to replace Grant but w/o alligator arms ( a 7'1" wingspan for this small ball center with ups!) though he has no perimeter shot which could hinder spacing. He'd need to be paired with another big who can maintain spacing with a perimeter shot like Al or Muscala. No Rob Williams double big here!
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2023 11:13:34 GMT -5
Part II - Bigs
I should jump all over this guy being compared to Markkanen & Olynyk! An offensive player whose 3-ball game will intrigue Brad & Mazz for sure. But he'll scare away Drewski for sure lacking quickness/lateral ability to cover guards or speedy bigs. A drop big on defense with a long game ...
Sanogo is a small ball center with enough speed to recover when beaten by guards from the perimeter for the block, a brick wall in the interior but not a drop defender since lacking verticality for blocks against other bigs. Offensive game is versatile both inside with an expanding perimeter game. He led UConn to their 5th NCAA Championship and was MVP of the tournament as UConn marched thru the rounds with ease.
An old school center lacking modern game spacing and perimeter defensive abilities. A rebounding shot blocker with size to rim protect vs other bruisers like Embiid, Adams, Davis etal ... Kendrick Perkins after the diet/weight room!
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2023 11:19:39 GMT -5
Part III - Bigs
Inside scorer & defender (blocks) that screens, rolls & finishes ... no perimeter or MRJ offensive game but quick enough to defend the perimeter and maybe even P&R coverage. Descent FT% and competitive rebounder ...
An athletic big with a handle to attack or take lobs from a creative PG, hit the MLJ or get to the rim. A descent passer with an expanding perimeter shot (30%). Great verticality with a 7'3" wingspan leads to rim protection as well as ORBDs and Putbacks. Some limited perimeter defense mostly effective on switches. Sloppy with ball in paint getting stripped some. Too lean to defend bruisers in the post yet not quick enough to guard wings and speedsters on the perimeter. A "work-in-progress" and certainly not ready to help a Championship driven team yet.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2023 16:52:57 GMT -5
Here are some Forwards for consideration ... (https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft)
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2023 17:40:34 GMT -5
Cissoko may be a better Uncle Jeff Green? On & off ball defender getting weak-side blocks and can finish at the rim with a dunk, kickout or wrap-around pass. Shot 38% on 3s off the catch. Can get flat-footed and beaten off the dribble. Worse than avg FT shooter and needs to limit TOVs on drives and passes.
We can't get Bruce Brown but we can get Jordan Miller - a slasher/cutter in the paint on offense (finishing with a fadeaway J, floater, runner, putback tip, dunk or kickout pass) and defense for rebounds by crashing the boards. Can defend all perimeter positions. Low volume 3-ptrs at just 33% and FTs in low 70s.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2023 18:05:24 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2023 18:25:22 GMT -5
Last Forward ... Probably won't be around at #35 but ya never know.
Here are some Wings: (https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft)
A 3&D type Wing (hard to find despite all the wings in this draft) with knock down 3-pt shot off the catch, one or two dribble pullups or stepbacks who uses pump fakes to get the shot off or drive. Ball handler with a bag of tricks. He can back his defender down to the rim for a hook or pivot into a fadeaway J. A stop & go cutter with playmaking skills able to dish to a big or kick out to a shooter. High effort defender with the length to be effective. Can become a real versatile defender if his quickness & focus can get better still. Not an ISO guy and lack of burst off the dribble impedes separation and he doesn't draw many fouls. A tendency to get beat by guards on the perimeter but a conditioning program to improve his lateral mobility may fix that. As a defensive roamer in college he ball watches a lot and needs to break that habit.
brought better effort as a freshman.
He doesn’t stay in his stance and often gets blown by on simple moves.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2023 19:10:10 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2023 21:13:02 GMT -5
Moar Wings ...
44 Andre Jackson Jr. UConn, Junior
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2023 21:25:14 GMT -5
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Post by Cabutan on Jun 17, 2023 23:39:23 GMT -5
Well that Noah Clowney is nasty. I read he is a projected 20 in the draft.
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Post by Admin on Jun 19, 2023 11:40:31 GMT -5
Forwards & Wings worth a look:BBall DNA Guys: #34 #41 Rupert - Wing (Dad was Capt of Fr Nat'l Team/Sister in WNBA/Dog/Handle/Defender), #27 Murray - Forward (a 3&D baller/Keegan is his twin bro) and #24 Jett Howard - Wing (Son of NBA All-Star Juwan Howard) Others in the mix for me: #29 Lewis (Shooter/Passer/Handle/Defender), #24 Prosper - Forward (Explosive/Dog/Versatile/Lateral D/Int Scorer/3pt Potential), #45 Johnson (Med clearance from NBA post heart inflamation/Runners/Spot-ups/Floaters/W-I-P D/Next Cam Johnson?) and #46 Stawther (On & Off ball D w/ quickness on gds & wings yet few steals or blocks/High volume flamethrower on catch & shoot ops w/ improving pull-ups/Efficient floaters/Cutters & Runners)
Defender Only: #44 Jackson Jr (Athletic/Dog/On & Off Ball Defense/Needs to become reliable shooter to stick), #38 Walsh (Explosive /Dog like Marcus Smart with size/wingspan/Versatile defender from 1-5/Decent handle/Finisher in transition/Gd enough shooter/Makes right play when on the attack/Needs to improve shot% despite exc form/needs to limit TOVs and Fouls) and #42 Phillips ( Purely a defender right now pending further development - used a s a high post or middle of zone hub passer, his length lets him deflect/block and rebound and he'll slash and cut his way to the rim and get to the line ofter where he shoots 80% - celticshomecourt.freeforums.net/post/189518/thread)
On the rise & fall: GG Jackson #44 has jumped to #33 (Still a possible C's pick tho green) while Jaquez Jr has pogo-vaulted from #35 up to #18 so I've left him off my list. Prosper has jumped from #24 to #20 left off the list as well. Jett Howard has dropped from high teens or #20 to #24 so I may add him to my list. Lewis has dropped from #29 to #34 (Good for Celtics!) and Rupert has fallen from #34 to #41 while Sanogo is now #44 rather than #40. Andre Jackson Jr (UConn Wing 21.5yrs old) went from #44 to #35. He's on the "Defender Only" default list above already.
I didn't review anyone listed as a pure PG or SG ...
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Post by Admin on Jun 19, 2023 12:54:40 GMT -5
Summary: My picks from top to bottom (Miller #22, Nnaji #23 & Prosper #24 to #20 are expected to be off the board before Rd 2 - Jaguez Jr has been added moving from #35 to #18) 1) 40 44-Sanogo (C) - Sanogo is a small ball center with enough speed to recover when beaten by guards from the perimeter for the block, a brick wall in the interior but not a drop defender since he's lacking verticality for blocks against other bigs. Offensive game is versatile both inside and out with an expanding perimeter game. He will seal out defenders and crash the boards for offensive rebounds. Displayed quick skip passes to shooters off the roll as well as interior feeds. He led UConn to their 5th NCAA Championship and was MVP of the tournament as UConn marched thru the rounds with ease.
2) 30-Jackson-Davis (PF/C) - Jackson-Davis is more of a PF (John Collins comp) than C and they seem to be harder to come by these days. At 6'8" he's lacking length for a PF/C but has bulk at 240lbs to replace Grant but w/o alligator arms (a 7'1" wingspan for this small ball center with ups!) though he has no perimeter shot which could hinder team spacing. He'd need to be paired with another big who can maintain spacing with a perimeter shot like Al or Muscala. No Rob Williams double big here!
3) 27-Murray (F) - Kris is a high level spot-up 3-pt shooter off the catch and pick & pops and motion. He has prowess as a creator with jumpers off the dribble or drives to the rim though his handle is just adequate. Good passer, screen setter and on & off ball defender. A plug & play at 23 yrs old with experience and DNA evidence with his brother Keegan with the Kings.
4) 29 34-Lewis (Wing) - A 3&D type Wing (hard to find despite all the wings in this draft) with knock down 3-pt shot off the catch, one or two dribble pullups or stepbacks who uses pump fakes to get the shot off or drive. Ball handler with a bag of tricks. He can back his defender down to the rim for a hook or pivot into a fadeaway J. A stop & go cutter with playmaking skills able to dish to a big or kick out to a shooter. High effort defender with the length to be effective. Can become a real versatile defender if his quickness & focus can get better still. Not an ISO guy and lack of burst off the dribble impedes separation and he doesn't draw many fouls. A tendency to get beat by guards on the perimeter but a conditioning program to improve his lateral mobility may fix that. As a defensive roamer in college he ball watches a lot and needs to break that habit.
5) 37-Cissoko (F) - A better Uncle Jeff Green? On & off ball defender getting weak-side blocks and can finish at the rim with a dunk, kickout or wrap-around pass to a teammate. Shot 38% on 3s off the catch. Can get flat-footed now & then and be beaten off the dribble. Worse than avg FT shooter and needs to limit TOVs on drives and passes. Cissoko, Rupert & GG Jackson are all around 19 yrs old and are more developmental rather than plug & play now picks.
6) 34 41-Rupert (Wing) - A ball handler with that Dog in him especially on & off ball defense (a disruptor with length @ 6'6" with a 7'3" wingspan getting steals & deflections) with offensive upside. A secondary creator with energy & unbridled effort able to make the correct pass or cut with athleticism and touch to finish. Has BBall DNA with a sister in WNBA and a Dad who was French Nat'l Team Captain. Comps: Tony Allen or Otto Porter
7) 44 33-GG Jackson (F) - Inexperienced freshman not yet 19yrs old and far from ready to help a contender the upcoming season. He has all the tools in his bag but needs refinement. Sure he's rated #33 but the others would have to be gone before looking to him at #35 and then I'd have to consider #58 Emoni Bates as a developmental project who might have a much higher ceiling.
Bonus Pick: This guy (and probably Kris Murray at #27) at #24 may not make it to Round II but just in case:
Edit: Someone's reading this forum and getting ideas here again ... just found this posted around 11am today (6/20) while my post has been up since yesterday or earlier. 3 of 5 guys I reported on and my two top picks in his top three!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2023 10:17:06 GMT -5
I can probably say it will definitely be one of these guys....
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2023 10:17:38 GMT -5
Although I'll be passing-on-Bobby-Portis- pissed if we draft another guard
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2023 10:19:23 GMT -5
How about those Red Sox? 6 in an row, 4 games over .500..11 games out......yuck!!
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2023 10:43:54 GMT -5
Shams Charania: Denver Nuggets G/F Bruce Brown Jr. is declining his $6.8 million player option for the 2023-24 season and will become a free agent, sources tell @theathletic @stadium. Brown, a key member of the Nuggets title, faces decision of Denver return in free agency versus deal elsewhere. – via Twitter ShamsCharania Top Rumors, Free Agency, Bruce Brown, Denver Nuggets
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2023 10:44:39 GMT -5
There have been over half a dozen teams who have inquired about a potential sign-and-trade deal for Grant Williams, league sources told The Athletic. Williams turned down an extension offer around the projected $12.2 million mid-level exception (MLE) before last season and in spite of a tumultuous year in and out of the rotation, there appears to be a market brewing that could push his value beyond the MLE most teams above the cap could offer. – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic Top Rumors, Trade, Grant Williams, Boston Celtics
Head coach Joe Mazzulla has to be committed to playing him in a way that wasn’t even close last season to justify the contract. Milwaukee has expressed strong interest in Williams in the past and new Celtics assistant coach Charles Lee is a fan of Williams, so the big man may have a different experience in Boston this upcoming season. Williams’ positional coach Ben Sullivan is leaving for Houston, while assistant coach Aaron Miles and player enhancement coach Jarrell Christian are still weighing their futures, according to team sources. If Williams stays, it could be a more favorable situation that allows him to play through his mistakes and find a rhythm. – via Jared Weiss @ The Athletic Ben Sullivan, Charles Lee, Joe Mazzulla, Trade, Aaron Miles, Grant Williams, Boston Celtics, Houston Rockets, Milwaukee Bucks
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2023 11:29:48 GMT -5
Tim Cato: For example: one league source, granted anonymity since he wasn’t authorized to speak publicly, told me Dallas has spoken with the Boston Celtics about a Grant Williams sign-and-trade. Dallas isn’t interested in using its pick to acquire him, and the team might decide against an offer — something more than the mid-level exception — that would be large enough that Boston wouldn’t match. But Williams makes plenty of sense in Dallas, and there may be other ways to complete that deal with Boston’s help if Dallas decides to seriously pursue it. To your point, it makes a big difference for Dallas’ summer plans if a deal involving a free agent, like this one would be, is agreed to on draft night involving the No. 10 pick or completed another way after the fact. – via Tim Cato, John Hollinger, Tim Cato and John Hollinger @ The Athletic Draft, Free Agency, Trade, Grant Williams, Boston Celtics, Dallas Mavericks
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2023 11:39:22 GMT -5
Shams Charania: Denver Nuggets G/F Bruce Brown Jr. is declining his $6.8 million player option for the 2023-24 season and will become a free agent, sources tell @theathletic @stadium. Brown, a key member of the Nuggets title, faces decision of Denver return in free agency versus deal elsewhere. – via Twitter ShamsCharania Top Rumors, Free Agency, Bruce Brown, Denver Nuggets
Will he really re-up with Denver for their $7.8MM (Non-Bird Rts = 120% of prior salary of $6/5MM) if another team offers him full MLE ($12MM)?
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Post by cole on Jun 21, 2023 11:57:12 GMT -5
The Nets broke up a pretty good team chasing fools gold. All these guys are doing well
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 21, 2023 12:35:34 GMT -5
Shams Charania: Denver Nuggets G/F Bruce Brown Jr. is declining his $6.8 million player option for the 2023-24 season and will become a free agent, sources tell @theathletic @stadium. Brown, a key member of the Nuggets title, faces decision of Denver return in free agency versus deal elsewhere. – via Twitter ShamsCharania Top Rumors, Free Agency, Bruce Brown, Denver Nuggets
Will he really re-up with Denver for their $7.8MM (Non-Bird Rts = 120% of prior salary of $6/5MM) if another team offers him full MLE ($12MM)?
No, but I'd like to have him.....I know we can't, but I'd like to
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