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Post by elvissurfs on Jun 17, 2022 20:45:03 GMT -5
Not sure if it is accurate, but some say that evidently Tatum set a record for turnovers in the playoffs...100...
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2022 20:56:17 GMT -5
Yup!
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Post by Cabutan on Jun 17, 2022 22:31:01 GMT -5
Irrespective of salary, I hope we look at adding any of the following players: Delon Wright TJ Warren Jerami Grant Otto Porter Either Morris brother Bruce Bowen good list. Forget about morris. He is done after that injury
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Post by Cabutan on Jun 17, 2022 22:33:50 GMT -5
Markieff is UFA, and I forgot Connaughton Connaughton would love to play in boston
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Post by Admin on Jun 18, 2022 1:56:40 GMT -5
Irrespective of salary, I hope we look at adding any of the following players: Delon Wright TJ Warren Jerami Grant Otto Porter Either Morris brother (Markieff UFA) Bruce Bowen PS: Connaughton
I think Warren (foot) along with Rubio (ACL) are both coming back from surgery > Rubio will be out till Feb or so, not sure about TJ
I'd love to see Porter here but just don't see how we can get him as a FA
Here are some of my favs: Have to pursue RFA's so a trade can be done using the TPEs but I've included some UFAs for the MLE
Miles Bridges, F, Hornets (RFA) Bridges reportedly passed on a four-year extension offer worth approximately $60MM last fall, which was the right call at the time and only looked smarter as the season progressed. As a restricted free agent this summer, it’s not out of the question that Bridges could double that figure. The 24-year-old forward saw his three-point percentage dip a little in 2021/22, from 40.0% to 33.1%, but otherwise improved across the board, establishing new career highs in PPG (20.2), RPG (7.0), and APG (3.8) while playing solid defense and exhibiting first-rate durability — his 2,837 minutes ranked second in the NBA.
Tyus Jones, G, Grizzlies The NBA’s leader in assist-to-turnover ratio for four straight seasons, Jones has turned the ball over just 326 times in 8,377 career NBA minutes. By comparison, Russell Westbrook turned it over 295 times in 2,678 minutes this season. Besides taking care of the ball and distributing it, Jones also set career highs in PPG (8.7) and 3PT% (.390) in 2021/22. It will be interesting to see whether he’s happy playing a backup/secondary role behind Ja Morant in Memphis or if he seeks out a team willing to offer him a bigger role.
Bruce Brown, G/F, Nets Brown does a little bit of everything on the court, playing and guarding multiple positions while providing some scoring (9.0 PPG), play-making (2.1 APG), rebounding (4.8 RPG), and even three-point shooting (40.4%) this season. Brown is the type of player who doesn’t need the ball on offense and can switch onto virtually anyone on defense, making him an ideal fit for any contending team. After accepting his $4.7MM qualifying offer a year ago, he’s now an unrestricted free agent and should get a raise, along with a multiyear commitment.
Kyle Anderson, G/F, Grizzlies After enjoying a career year in 2020/21, Anderson failed to match those numbers in ’21/22, but he remains a solid defensive wing who rebounds well for his size and can act as a secondary play-maker. You’d ideally like to see him shooting and making a few more three-pointers, but he has shown some progress on that front in his last two seasons (35.1% on 2.7 attempts per game) and he’s still in his prime at age 28.
Pat Connaughton, G, Bucks (player option) The Bucks were comfortable trading Donte DiVincenzo at the 2022 trade deadline in part because of how good Connaughton was playing in a similar role. His 9.9 points per game were easily a career high, and he was one of Milwaukee’s most dangerous outside threats, hitting 2.2 threes per game at a 39.5% clip. Assuming he turns down his $5.7MM option, he should generate interest as a mid-level target.
Mohamed Bamba, C, Magic (RFA) It’s perhaps shortsighted to place Looney ahead of a former lottery pick like Bamba, who blocks shots (1.7 BPG), rebounds (8.1 RPG), shoots three-pointers (38.1%), and is only 24 years old. However, it remains unclear how eager contending teams will be to invest in Bamba, who was inconsistent and often injured in his first three NBA seasons before breaking out in 2021/22. While Looney has proven his bona fides in the Finals, Bamba will still have to show he can produce when the expectations and the stakes are higher than they were in Orlando this year.
Nic Claxton, C, Nets (RFA) Injuries have played a part in limiting Claxton to just 94 regular season appearances in his first three NBA seasons, but he has flashed intriguing potential as a rim runner and interior defender when healthy. His age (23) and athleticism could make him a popular target for teams looking for an upside play at the center position. The Nets will have the ability to match any offer he receives, but already project to be a taxpaying team and may be reluctant to go too high.
Otto Porter Jr., F, Warriors A former No. 3 overall pick whose previous contract was worth the max, Porter accepted a minimum-salary deal in 2021/22 and has outperformed it, playing a regular rotation role on a championship team. Having established himself as a reliable three-and-D wing during his early years in D.C., Porter battled injuries and never made the leap from role player to star, but the role he plays is a valuable one — he’s still just 29 and shouldn’t be pigeonholed as a minimum-salary player going forward.
Cody Martin, F, Hornets (RFA) A key reserve for the Hornets, Martin averaged an extra 10 minutes per game in his third NBA season and improved his numbers across the board, setting new career highs in PPG (7.7), RPG (4.0), APG (2.5), SPG (1.2), FG% (.482), and 3PT% (.384). Martin probably shouldn’t expect a huge payday, but after proving his value on both ends of the court, he shouldn’t have to settle for another minimum-salary contract either.
Marvin Bagley III, F, Pistons (RFA) A former second overall pick, Bagley won’t be making the kind of money on his second contract that the players drafted around him in 2018 will be. Still, the Pistons gave up multiple second-round picks to acquire him at the 2022 trade deadline and, by all accounts, want to re-sign him to a multiyear contract. A deal in the Khem Birch range (three years, $20MM) seems within reach.
Isaiah Hartenstein, C, Clippers With Serge Ibaka still rounding into form following offseason back surgery, Hartenstein emerged early in the year as the Clippers’ primary backup center and thrived in the role, making 62.6% of his shots from the field and handing out 2.4 APG in just 17.9 minutes per contest. He even flashed the ability to hit the occasional three-pointer (14-of-30) and played solid defense. Hartenstein has played for four teams in four NBA seasons and has never earned more than the minimum, but his performance this past season put him in a good position to land a multiyear deal and a raise.
Jordan Nwora, F, Bucks (RFA) An athletic wing with a career three-point rate of 37.0% and some defensive versatility, Nwora will turn 24 years old in September. His on/off-court numbers and defensive analytics weren’t especially impressive in 2021/22, but a team that misses out on this year’s top wings and wants to bet on a young player with untapped potential may try to force the Bucks’ hand with a strong multiyear offer.
Aaron Holiday, G, Suns (RFA) Traded twice in the last year, Holiday maintained his steady production in Washington and particularly in Phoenix, where he made 44.4% of his attempts from beyond the arc and the Suns posted a +7.2 net rating in his 358 minutes — that mark was especially impressive because he spent only 114 of those minutes playing with Devin Booker and just eight alongside Chris Paul. At age 25, Holiday is already a solid backup point guard and may not have reached his ceiling yet.
My top picks with alternates ... Primary may not be BOLD if I think undoable
C > Bamba (RFA - TPE) - Hartenstein - Nerlens Noel - Nic Claxton - DeWayne Dedmon (UFA - VM)
PF > Portis (UFA with only Early Bird Rts to $11MM max by Bucks) - Bagley - O Porter Jr - T Prince - PJ Tucker
F > Bridges (RFA - TPE) - Cody Martin (RFA) - Nwora (RFA)
G/F > B Brown (UFA-MLE) - Kyle Andersen (UFA)
SG > Monk (UFA could get $10MM - will L.A. pay to keep him) - Connaughton (UFA - TPE) - G Harris (UFA )
PG > Brogdon (Under Contract - Tade) - Tyus Jones (UFA) - A Holiday (RFA)
I think Brown and Connaughton are both doable if willing to come home ... Bamba is a C on a team with 6 centers (ORL) and s/b gettable for a pick with the large TPE ... Bridges would also take the large TPE and be a 4 yr/$80MM player in lieu of Beal etc. I just think Bamba is more likely than Bridges though I'd prefer a trio of Brown/Bridges/Tatum with Rob at C and Al (PF), someone like Noel or even Dedmon at C as backups. Smart would remain at PG but come off the bench if able to trade for Brogdon or acquire Tyus Jones or Holiday. Connaughton and Bruce Brown s/b able to provide enough scoring from both the perimeter as well as in the paint. I think it starts with those two and 1 or 2 of either Bamba, Portis, Bridges or Brogdon completes the gap filling.
PG: Smart - White - Pritchard
SG: J Brown - Connaughton - B Brown
SF: Tatum - B Brown - Nesmith PF: Portis - Horford - GWill
C: RWill - Bamba - Theis
Other potential fillers for final 3 spots
2nd Rd Draft Pick: TBD
Foreign Signings: Chinanu Onuaku (C), Yam Madar (PG), Juhann Begarin (SG)
Current Bench End: Stauskas 22-23' contract fully guaranteed 7/15 - Team Option on Hauser & Morgan - Fitts guaranteed 9/1
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 18, 2022 6:03:55 GMT -5
Irrespective of salary, I hope we look at adding any of the following players: Delon Wright TJ Warren Jerami Grant Otto Porter Either Morris brother (Markieff UFA) Bruce Bowen PS: Connaughton
I think Warren (foot) along with Rubio (ACL) are both coming back from surgery > Rubio will be out till Feb or so, not sure about TJ
I'd love to see Porter here but just don't see how we can get him as a FA
Here are some of my favs: Have to pursue RFA's so a trade can be done using the TPEs but I've included some UFAs for the MLE
Miles Bridges, F, Hornets (RFA) Bridges reportedly passed on a four-year extension offer worth approximately $60MM last fall, which was the right call at the time and only looked smarter as the season progressed. As a restricted free agent this summer, it’s not out of the question that Bridges could double that figure. The 24-year-old forward saw his three-point percentage dip a little in 2021/22, from 40.0% to 33.1%, but otherwise improved across the board, establishing new career highs in PPG (20.2), RPG (7.0), and APG (3.8) while playing solid defense and exhibiting first-rate durability — his 2,837 minutes ranked second in the NBA.
Tyus Jones, G, Grizzlies The NBA’s leader in assist-to-turnover ratio for four straight seasons, Jones has turned the ball over just 326 times in 8,377 career NBA minutes. By comparison, Russell Westbrook turned it over 295 times in 2,678 minutes this season. Besides taking care of the ball and distributing it, Jones also set career highs in PPG (8.7) and 3PT% (.390) in 2021/22. It will be interesting to see whether he’s happy playing a backup/secondary role behind Ja Morant in Memphis or if he seeks out a team willing to offer him a bigger role.
Bruce Brown, G/F, Nets Brown does a little bit of everything on the court, playing and guarding multiple positions while providing some scoring (9.0 PPG), play-making (2.1 APG), rebounding (4.8 RPG), and even three-point shooting (40.4%) this season. Brown is the type of player who doesn’t need the ball on offense and can switch onto virtually anyone on defense, making him an ideal fit for any contending team. After accepting his $4.7MM qualifying offer a year ago, he’s now an unrestricted free agent and should get a raise, along with a multiyear commitment.
Kyle Anderson, G/F, Grizzlies After enjoying a career year in 2020/21, Anderson failed to match those numbers in ’21/22, but he remains a solid defensive wing who rebounds well for his size and can act as a secondary play-maker. You’d ideally like to see him shooting and making a few more three-pointers, but he has shown some progress on that front in his last two seasons (35.1% on 2.7 attempts per game) and he’s still in his prime at age 28.
Pat Connaughton, G, Bucks (player option) The Bucks were comfortable trading Donte DiVincenzo at the 2022 trade deadline in part because of how good Connaughton was playing in a similar role. His 9.9 points per game were easily a career high, and he was one of Milwaukee’s most dangerous outside threats, hitting 2.2 threes per game at a 39.5% clip. Assuming he turns down his $5.7MM option, he should generate interest as a mid-level target.
Mohamed Bamba, C, Magic (RFA) It’s perhaps shortsighted to place Looney ahead of a former lottery pick like Bamba, who blocks shots (1.7 BPG), rebounds (8.1 RPG), shoots three-pointers (38.1%), and is only 24 years old. However, it remains unclear how eager contending teams will be to invest in Bamba, who was inconsistent and often injured in his first three NBA seasons before breaking out in 2021/22. While Looney has proven his bona fides in the Finals, Bamba will still have to show he can produce when the expectations and the stakes are higher than they were in Orlando this year.
Nic Claxton, C, Nets (RFA) Injuries have played a part in limiting Claxton to just 94 regular season appearances in his first three NBA seasons, but he has flashed intriguing potential as a rim runner and interior defender when healthy. His age (23) and athleticism could make him a popular target for teams looking for an upside play at the center position. The Nets will have the ability to match any offer he receives, but already project to be a taxpaying team and may be reluctant to go too high.
Otto Porter Jr., F, Warriors A former No. 3 overall pick whose previous contract was worth the max, Porter accepted a minimum-salary deal in 2021/22 and has outperformed it, playing a regular rotation role on a championship team. Having established himself as a reliable three-and-D wing during his early years in D.C., Porter battled injuries and never made the leap from role player to star, but the role he plays is a valuable one — he’s still just 29 and shouldn’t be pigeonholed as a minimum-salary player going forward.
Cody Martin, F, Hornets (RFA) A key reserve for the Hornets, Martin averaged an extra 10 minutes per game in his third NBA season and improved his numbers across the board, setting new career highs in PPG (7.7), RPG (4.0), APG (2.5), SPG (1.2), FG% (.482), and 3PT% (.384). Martin probably shouldn’t expect a huge payday, but after proving his value on both ends of the court, he shouldn’t have to settle for another minimum-salary contract either.
Marvin Bagley III, F, Pistons (RFA) A former second overall pick, Bagley won’t be making the kind of money on his second contract that the players drafted around him in 2018 will be. Still, the Pistons gave up multiple second-round picks to acquire him at the 2022 trade deadline and, by all accounts, want to re-sign him to a multiyear contract. A deal in the Khem Birch range (three years, $20MM) seems within reach.
Isaiah Hartenstein, C, Clippers With Serge Ibaka still rounding into form following offseason back surgery, Hartenstein emerged early in the year as the Clippers’ primary backup center and thrived in the role, making 62.6% of his shots from the field and handing out 2.4 APG in just 17.9 minutes per contest. He even flashed the ability to hit the occasional three-pointer (14-of-30) and played solid defense. Hartenstein has played for four teams in four NBA seasons and has never earned more than the minimum, but his performance this past season put him in a good position to land a multiyear deal and a raise.
Jordan Nwora, F, Bucks (RFA) An athletic wing with a career three-point rate of 37.0% and some defensive versatility, Nwora will turn 24 years old in September. His on/off-court numbers and defensive analytics weren’t especially impressive in 2021/22, but a team that misses out on this year’s top wings and wants to bet on a young player with untapped potential may try to force the Bucks’ hand with a strong multiyear offer.
Aaron Holiday, G, Suns (RFA) Traded twice in the last year, Holiday maintained his steady production in Washington and particularly in Phoenix, where he made 44.4% of his attempts from beyond the arc and the Suns posted a +7.2 net rating in his 358 minutes — that mark was especially impressive because he spent only 114 of those minutes playing with Devin Booker and just eight alongside Chris Paul. At age 25, Holiday is already a solid backup point guard and may not have reached his ceiling yet.
My top picks with alternates ... Primary may not be BOLD if I think undoable
C > Bamba (RFA - TPE) - Hartenstein - Nerlens Noel - Nic Claxton - DeWayne Dedmon (UFA - VM)
PF > Portis (UFA with only Early Bird Rts to $11MM max by Bucks) - Bagley - O Porter Jr - T Prince - PJ Tucker
F > Bridges (RFA - TPE) - Cody Martin (RFA) - Nwora (RFA)
G/F > B Brown (UFA-MLE) - Kyle Andersen (UFA)
SG > Monk (UFA could get $10MM - will L.A. pay to keep him) - Connaughton (UFA - TPE) - G Harris (UFA )
PG > Brogdon (Under Contract - Tade) - Tyus Jones (UFA) - A Holiday (RFA)
I think Brown and Connaughton are both doable if willing to come home ... Bamba is a C on a team with 6 centers (ORL) and s/b gettable for a pick with the large TPE ... Bridges would also take the large TPE and be a 4 yr/$80MM player in lieu of Beal etc. I just think Bamba is more likely than Bridges though I'd prefer a trio of Brown/Bridges/Tatum with Rob at C and Al (PF), someone like Noel or even Dedmon at C as backups. Smart would remain at PG but come off the bench if able to trade for Brogdon or acquire Tyus Jones or Holiday. Connaughton and Bruce Brown s/b able to provide enough scoring from both the perimeter as well as in the paint. I think it starts with those two and 1 or 2 of either Bamba, Portis, Bridges or Brogdon completes the gap filling.
PG: Smart - White - Pritchard
SG: J Brown - Connaughton - B Brown
SF: Tatum - B Brown - Nesmith PF: Portis - Horford - GWill
C: RWill - Bamba - Theis
Other potential fillers for final 3 spots
2nd Rd Draft Pick: TBD
Foreign Signings: Chinanu Onuaku (C), Yam Madar (PG), Juhann Begarin (SG)
Current Bench End: Stauskas 22-23' contract fully guaranteed 7/15 - Team Option on Hauser & Morgan - Fitts guaranteed 9/1
Good intel. Thanks
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 18, 2022 6:39:31 GMT -5
remember if we bring a player in under a sign and trade (including RFA's) Boston will be hard capped at the tax apron ( somewhere around $156M next year).
hard to get any of those guys and still stay under that amount, so I think any RFA sign and trades are gonna be out for this year.
can use those TPE's without triggering that tax apron though, so maybe look at players under contract next season for that.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 18, 2022 7:10:14 GMT -5
My top picks with alternates ... Primary may not be BOLD if I think undoable
C > Bamba (RFA - TPE) - Hartenstein - Nerlens Noel - Nic Claxton - DeWayne Dedmon (UFA - VM)
PF > Portis (UFA with only Early Bird Rts to $11MM max by Bucks) - Bagley - O Porter Jr - T Prince - PJ Tucker
F > Bridges (RFA - TPE) - Cody Martin (RFA) - Nwora (RFA)
G/F > B Brown (UFA-MLE) - Kyle Andersen (UFA)
SG > Monk (UFA could get $10MM - will L.A. pay to keep him) - Connaughton (UFA - TPE) - G Harris (UFA )
PG > Brogdon (Under Contract - Tade) - Tyus Jones (UFA) - A Holiday (RFA)
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my thoughts on some of those you listed here.
Noel is under contact for two more years, so a trade would be needed. I proposed Thies and a protected first for him ( but only IF Udoka will actually play him).
Bamba and probably Claxton would require a sign and trade and Boston can't really do that this year and stay under the hard cap apron . Hartenstein is an interesting option with the taxpaying MLE (only IF Udoka would play him of course)
Dedmon would be cheap I think , but stays in Miami
Bucks can pay more than we can for Portis
Same with Pistons and Bagley (again a sign and trade takes us over the tax apron and is a no-no)
Porter and Prince would be options with that MLE ($6.4M) I think
Tucker has a player option worth more than the MLE we could offer him.
B. Brown- Nets have bird right on him and could outbid Boston's MLE, but he could want to play here as you said.
Anderson- another MLE option perhaps I agree
Monk- MLE target I think
Connaughton- could opt out and make more money on a new deal, but the bucks have early bird rights and can outbid us here too. Unless like Brown he is willing to take less money to play in Boston.
Brogdon- trades have been discussed already with him and I am sure more will be, requires matching salary going out somewhere.
T. Jones- Smaller player but good PG, I think he'll get much more than the MLE we can offer.
Holiday- MLE type guy, but RFA which make it harder, as we really don't want to get into he sign and trade thing again.
so from that list I can see
Noel and Brogdon as trade possible additions ( probably using matching salary's more than TPEs, IMO)
Hartenstein, Porter, Prince, Holiday and maybe Brown and Monk as possible additions using the MLE ($6.4M)
a couple other options for the MLE I have are
Nic Batum ( he has a $3.3M player option with the Clippers). Clippers can offer him the same thing we can though
B. Forbes- Denver, another former SA player that Udoka knows well, good shooter but on the smaller size like Pritchard. Denver only has non-bird rights like with Batum in LA, so they are also limited to that TP-MLE
one other player I have as TPE candidate is Justin Holiday ($6.3M expiring deal) from the Kings. Boston could trade say Nesmith into a TPE the Kings have for Holiday coming here into one of ours.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 18, 2022 7:30:51 GMT -5
My top picks with alternates ... Primary may not be BOLD if I think undoable C > Bamba (RFA - TPE) - Hartenstein - Nerlens Noel - Nic Claxton - DeWayne Dedmon (UFA - VM) PF > Portis (UFA with only Early Bird Rts to $11MM max by Bucks) - Bagley - O Porter Jr - T Prince - PJ Tucker F > Bridges (RFA - TPE) - Cody Martin (RFA) - Nwora (RFA) G/F > B Brown (UFA-MLE) - Kyle Andersen (UFA) SG > Monk (UFA could get $10MM - will L.A. pay to keep him) - Connaughton (UFA - TPE) - G Harris (UFA ) PG > Brogdon (Under Contract - Tade) - Tyus Jones (UFA) - A Holiday (RFA)-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------my thoughts on some of those you listed here. Noel is under contact for two more years, so a trade would be needed. I proposed Thies and a protected first for him ( but only IF Udoka will actually play him). Bamba and probably Claxton would require a sign and trade and Boston can't really do that this year and stay under the hard cap apron . Hartenstein is an interesting option with the taxpaying MLE (only IF Udoka would play him of course) Dedmon would be cheap I think , but stays in Miami Bucks can pay more than we can for Portis Same with Pistons and Bagley (again a sign and trade takes us over the tax apron and is a no-no) Porter and Prince would be options with that MLE ($6.4M) I think Tucker has a player option worth more than the MLE we could offer him. B. Brown- Nets have bird right on him and could outbid Boston's MLE, but he could want to play here as you said. Anderson- another MLE option perhaps I agree Monk- MLE target I think Connaughton- could opt out and make more money on a new deal, but the bucks have early bird rights and can outbid us here too. Unless like Brown he is willing to take less money to play in Boston. Brogdon- trades have been discussed already with him and I am sure more will be, requires matching salary going out somewhere. T. Jones- Smaller player but good PG, I think he'll get much more than the MLE we can offer. Holiday- MLE type guy, but RFA which make it harder, as we really don't want to get into he sign and trade thing again. so from that list I can see Noel and Brogdon as trade possible additions ( probably using matching salary's more than TPEs, IMO) Hartenstein, Porter, Prince, Holiday and maybe Brown and Monk as possible additions using the MLE ($6.4M) a couple other options for the MLE I have are Nic Batum ( he has a $3.3M player option with the Clippers). Clippers can offer him the same thing we can though B. Forbes- Denver, another former SA player that Udoka knows well, good shooter but on the smaller size like Pritchard. Denver only has non-bird rights like with Batum in LA, so they are also limited to that TP-MLE one other player I have as TPE candidate is Justin Holiday ($6.3M expiring deal) from the Kings. Boston could trade say Nesmith into a TPE the Kings have for Holiday coming here into one of ours. Batum is too old. A lot of the other guys I love. Do you remember who it was who wanted Portis all those years ago?
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 18, 2022 7:51:38 GMT -5
Batum is too old. A lot of the other guys I love. Do you remember who it was who wanted Portis all those years ago?
I probably wasn't around here much then, so no.
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Post by hedleylamarr on Jun 18, 2022 8:32:33 GMT -5
Batum is too old. A lot of the other guys I love. Do you remember who it was who wanted Portis all those years ago?I probably wasn't around here much then, so no. It was me, and I have witnesses.....lol. I wanted him over Rozier, and he went the next pick. We need someone who is tough. That's my point. I think we're too soft, and our bench is weak. Tweak those parts and we'll be back
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Post by croc on Jun 18, 2022 9:02:43 GMT -5
Damien Lillard would be one fantastic get
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 18, 2022 9:20:48 GMT -5
Damien Lillard would be one fantastic get probably harder to pull of than Beal to be honest! $42.5M salary next year and older than Beal also. of course he is arguably better than Beal over all too. and if one could swap Dame for anyone not named Tatum or Brown the Celtics would likely be odds on favorites to win the chip next year. But it would take at a minimum Smart , Horford and some daft capital to get it done. actually as I write that I say why not? Salary's are almost equal, so Boston to use the MLE to get another big in town then. No one thinks Dame is not an ALPHA dog for sure and that is what Boston needs more than anything to me. Horford ( 26.5M), Smart ( 17.2M) and two first round picks for Dame ( 42.5M) and Greg Brown ( 1.5M) Dame Tatum Brown Timelord White O. Porter or J. Smith- MLE ($6.4M) Grant W. Pritchard Theis Nesmith Hauser minimum fill in on the bench ( D, Valentine, T, Fall, etc). I actually like the idea a lot ! we likely are not getting either Dame or Beal IMO though.
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Post by cole on Jun 18, 2022 10:19:29 GMT -5
Damien Lillard would be one fantastic get probably harder to pull of than Beal to be honest! $42.5M salary next year and older than Beal also. of course he is arguably better than Beal over all too. and if one could swap Dame for anyone not named Tatum or Brown the Celtics would likely be odds on favorites to win the chip next year. But it would take at a minimum Smart , Horford and some daft capital to get it done. actually as I write that I say why not? Salary's are almost equal, so Boston to use the MLE to get another big in town then. No one thinks Dame is not an ALPHA dog for sure and that is what Boston needs more than anything to me. Horford ( 26.5M), Smart ( 17.2M) and two first round picks for Dame ( 42.5M) and Greg Brown ( 1.5M) Dame Tatum Brown Timelord White O. Porter or J. Smith- MLE ($6.4M) Grant W. Pritchard Theis Nesmith Hauser minimum fill in on the bench ( D, Valentine, T, Fall, etc). I actually like the idea a lot ! we likely are not getting either Dame or Beal IMO though. What first picks do we have?
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Post by puddin on Jun 18, 2022 10:33:32 GMT -5
JT sez: "It hurts. I could have done a lot of things better!"
*******
Yes indeed, Jason Tee.
It does hurt!
Feel the pain and humiliation this off season every F-N waking moment... and come back next year a changed man, serious, hungry as hell, determined to overcome adversity, ready to cast off personal demons, trusting teammates, prepared to take us to the next level!
Pud
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Post by croc on Jun 18, 2022 10:36:07 GMT -5
probably harder to pull of than Beal to be honest! $42.5M salary next year and older than Beal also. of course he is arguably better than Beal over all too. and if one could swap Dame for anyone not named Tatum or Brown the Celtics would likely be odds on favorites to win the chip next year. But it would take at a minimum Smart , Horford and some daft capital to get it done. actually as I write that I say why not? Salary's are almost equal, so Boston to use the MLE to get another big in town then. No one thinks Dame is not an ALPHA dog for sure and that is what Boston needs more than anything to me. Horford ( 26.5M), Smart ( 17.2M) and two first round picks for Dame ( 42.5M) and Greg Brown ( 1.5M) Dame Tatum Brown Timelord White O. Porter or J. Smith- MLE ($6.4M) Grant W. Pritchard Theis Nesmith Hauser minimum fill in on the bench ( D, Valentine, T, Fall, etc). I actually like the idea a lot ! we likely are not getting either Dame or Beal IMO though. What first picks do we have? The turds on the SF streets are just as valuable. Pull 'em out of Brad's butt. Or they can have some of PP, Grant or NoSmith
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Post by jdm894g on Jun 18, 2022 11:04:24 GMT -5
JT sez: "It hurts. I could have done a lot of things better!"
*******
Yes indeed, Jason Tee.
It does hurt!
Feel the pain and humiliation this off season every F-N waking moment... and come back next year a changed man, serious, hungry as hell, determined to overcome adversity, ready to cast off personal demons, trusting teammates, prepared to take us to the next level!
Pud
Why didn’t JT and JB listen to Ime about passing the ball and stop driving into traffic? Why did the both stop trusting their teammates? GSW baited them with Poole and Curry guarding them. Where was their basketball IQ to realize that? This is why we need a true PG to facilitate and get the ball out of their hands. They reverted back to the beginning of the season and only looked for their shots.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 18, 2022 11:33:21 GMT -5
probably harder to pull of than Beal to be honest! $42.5M salary next year and older than Beal also. of course he is arguably better than Beal over all too. and if one could swap Dame for anyone not named Tatum or Brown the Celtics would likely be odds on favorites to win the chip next year. But it would take at a minimum Smart , Horford and some daft capital to get it done. actually as I write that I say why not? Salary's are almost equal, so Boston to use the MLE to get another big in town then. No one thinks Dame is not an ALPHA dog for sure and that is what Boston needs more than anything to me. Horford ( 26.5M), Smart ( 17.2M) and two first round picks for Dame ( 42.5M) and Greg Brown ( 1.5M) Dame Tatum Brown Timelord White O. Porter or J. Smith- MLE ($6.4M) Grant W. Pritchard Theis Nesmith Hauser minimum fill in on the bench ( D, Valentine, T, Fall, etc). I actually like the idea a lot ! we likely are not getting either Dame or Beal IMO though. What first picks do we have? we could send 2024 and 2026 as a start, since Portland is rebuilding anyway. they have Dame, Simons ( RFA), Hart and Little and not much else on the roster right now. they do have the #7 pick and might resign Nurkic as well. But thats' not much! Dame will likely look around and think what the hell am I here for? I figure Smart and Horford are better than taking on Westbrooks expiring deal and the Lakers picks (Laker don't have one this year either to send over). Portland owes a first to Chicago sometime between now and 2028, so they can use any they get. Horford expiring deal and Smart would fit fine with Simons and hart in the backcourt or be a trade chip later. Dame fits better than Beal IMO.
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Post by sfbosfan on Jun 18, 2022 11:37:25 GMT -5
Our loss was not all Tatum’s fault but a major part of it. Curry did not beat us alone except from the 43 point game. We won Game 1 despite Tatum’s 12 pts but with Brown’s 24 a competitive 36 together but Horford 26, White 21, Smart 18 and even Prichard with 8=73 pts proved the support players to our allstars saved us. Then in Game 3 we won Tatum & Brown with 26 & 27+53 points and the other aforementioned only scored 1/2 but it was enough. Had Tatum scored 35-40 points in other games as he had frequently during the season despite the other players not scoring like in game 1 and with 1/2 his turnovers, we’d won 2 more games. Again, neither Curry or Green beat us but Klay, Wiggins & Porter all contributed practically every game....in other words they were consistent, we were not.
Going forward, Theis was of no help...unload him. Smart a 6th player off the bench if we cannot get a good trade. White is OK maybe off the bench but I’d still trade him if possible. Get rid of Prichard, Williams & Nesmith too. Horford, unfortunately, is too old but for sentimental reasons keep him if we can for off the bench. Williams is good and plays hard, blocks shots, rebs & dunks balls but is injury prone. Keep him as a backup. We need a strong player in the paint and another point guard like Tatum & Brown to bring the ball up but a scorer, not erratic like Smart & White.
In retrospect having lost the last 3 games by 33 points we deserved to lose and although I’d like seeing game 7 tomorrow I’m sure they’d been favorite although we had been successful on opponent’s court. So, probably would have felt worst losing game 7 as we did in 2010 vs the hated Lakers who are happy we didn’t get #18. Tough being in the area with more and more people wearing GS paraphernalia.
On to the Red Sox, 8-3 last 11 games but alas Yankees 8 in a row and 15 out of last 16. They might set the record for runs scored as many games won are football scores.
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 18, 2022 11:46:07 GMT -5
What first picks do we have? The turds on the SF streets are just as valuable. Pull 'em out of Brad's butt. Or they can have some of PP, Grant or NoSmith Turds in SF? Nice and true the old Haight-Ashbury is a shit hole This coming thu an old hippies mouth. KDP was right were hard caped. I see little moves at best. Maybe we trade Smart for a real PG.....We likely pay out more not less however. Getting a decent big isn't likely/ PP and Grant need to go.Nesmith ii keep one more year
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 18, 2022 11:50:04 GMT -5
Our loss was not all Tatum’s fault but a major part of it. Curry did not beat us alone except from the 43 point game. We won Game 1 despite Tatum’s 12 pts but with Brown’s 24 a competitive 36 together but Horford 26, White 21, Smart 18 and even Prichard with 8=73 pts proved the support players to our allstars saved us. Then in Game 3 we won Tatum & Brown with 26 & 27+53 points and the other aforementioned only scored 1/2 but it was enough. Had Tatum scored 35-40 points in other games as he had frequently during the season despite the other players not scoring like in game 1 and with 1/2 his turnovers, we’d won 2 more games. Again, neither Curry or Green beat us but Klay, Wiggins & Porter all contributed practically every game....in other words they were consistent, we were not. Going forward, Theis was of no help...unload him. Smart a 6th player off the bench if we cannot get a good trade. White is OK maybe off the bench but I’d still trade him if possible. Get rid of Prichard, Williams & Nesmith too. Horford, unfortunately, is too old but for sentimental reasons keep him if we can for off the bench. Williams is good and plays hard, blocks shots, rebs & dunks balls but is injury prone. Keep him as a backup. We need a strong player in the paint and another point guard like Tatum & Brown to bring the ball up but a scorer, not erratic like Smart & White. Theis didnt play..Kinda hard to help sittin on the pine IME likey made a poor decision going with 8 players..
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 18, 2022 12:19:42 GMT -5
JT sez: "It hurts. I could have done a lot of things better!"
*******
Yes indeed, Jason Tee.
It does hurt!
Feel the pain and humiliation this off season every F-N waking moment... and come back next year a changed man, serious, hungry as hell, determined to overcome adversity, ready to cast off personal demons, trusting teammates, prepared to take us to the next level!
Pud
Tatum talks and acts like a 10 year old mighta should have stayed in school His command of English is west virginian at best/ Smart can at least talk coherently. Tatum rubbing his shoulder says I'm a pussy..Smart probably has worse injuries but he don't cry. Trade the cry baby for a man..He's going west when he gets the opportunity. He's a disgrace to Boston i don't care how much talent he has. Mr Ruffle is a Chip..
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Post by sfbosfan on Jun 18, 2022 12:58:40 GMT -5
The turds on the SF streets are just as valuable. Pull 'em out of Brad's butt. Or they can have some of PP, Grant or NoSmith Turds in SF? Nice and true the old Haight-Ashbury is a shit hole This coming thu an old hippies mouth. KDP was right were hard caped. I see little moves at best. Maybe we trade Smart for a real PG.....We likely pay out more not less however. Getting a decent big isn't likely/ PP and Grant need to go.Nesmith ii keep one more year California(especially San Francisco) ain’t what it was when I got here in the 60s after VietNam…in fact I liked the summer of love and free love getting out of the military and Aids had not started yet. Yup, Disneyland, Hollywood, the Dodgers, suntans, beach volleyball and surfing with good Vibrations and " California Dreamin’. But LA has a 53 square block, Seattle too, a Liberal dominated city, of tents and piles of garbage punctuated with passed out, strung out, drugged out Americans, lost souls with dull eyes seemingly devoid of hope or dreams or purpose. Diseases( Typhus, Tuberculosis etc.) and Rats are pervasive and many crimes to feed the drug needs. Tens of thousands of the homeless are desperate for shelter, services and of course, as mentioned, drugs. Why doesn’t this Liberal government build shelters and housing for the majority of the city's homeless, and then let police enforce the rules against camping on city property. The city government has lost control of the situation & this Skid Row is the worst man-made disaster in the United States. As I said, SF now a town with defecation in the streets and more serious, needles from druggies, that can harm little kids. Many tourists say they will not return not liking the odor of urine and feces. Conventions cancelling coming here. Why don’t the Demos clean this up instead of voting themselves some of the highest salaries of city and gov. employees. And, Pelosi, instead of having concentrated mostly on impeachment which is the phrase I used before, “Pissing Up Wind”, should have worked on cleaning up the slums in SF & LA. And, if Trump, is penalized for Jan 6, good, I am not a Trump fan. Seattle too, another Liberal City, has the same type slums. Happy to be on the Monterey Peninsula, at least now, free from the aforementioned. Sorry for my political opinions but the forum should be light these days and, what’s left, as it appears we have beaten a dead horse on our loss, is commenting on the drafts.
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Post by Admin on Jun 18, 2022 13:00:07 GMT -5
remember if we bring a player in under a sign and trade (including RFA's) Boston will be hard capped at the tax apron ( somewhere around $156M next year). hard to get any of those guys and still stay under that amount, so I think any RFA sign and trades are gonna be out for this year. can use those TPE's without triggering that tax apron though, so maybe look at players under contract next season for that.
As I recall you said our hands were tied last summer and Brad made you eat those words.
You can trade for a RFA without a S&T if you're willing to take that risk for minimal capital given up. If Brad wants to negotiate with his agent on a future deal before trading for him he can do that shortly. If ORL wants a draft pick and a $10mm TPE then all parties will be satisfied. Ainge tried that with Fournier but failed to get an agreement before making the trade. Brad's smarter than that.
Both Connaughton and Brown are MA guys and why wouldn't Pat come home when the C's went to the Finals and the Bucks went on vacation. His odds of success here are just as good as there but he's home.
It's tougher to use a $17mm TPE (expires 7/18) without any guarantees but the other TPEs can be used for lower value guys w/o losing too much if unable to negotiate their current RFA contract ... $6.9mm, $5.9mm and $1.4mm (expires 7/7)
I would expect that Brad already has something lined up for the $17mm TPE if he intends to use it otherwise he will lose it in about 30 days. The way I see it, there aren't too many teams wanting Centers these days and ORL has 6 on their roster. Getting a 2nd rd pick or two and a TPE for that $10.1mm QO may be better than any other team will make. Brad can sign him anytime until the season opens and he may want to be here.
Brown & Connaughton can refuse offers from their perspective teams and they either lose them for nothing or agree to take a future pick or a body (like Stauskas, Fitts or Morgan) and a TPE for the balance. Sure they can block the C's and force those players to FA deals elsewhere but why would they be dicks to guys that were loyal to them and played hard their time there?
The MLE is worth $6.34mm and can be used for either as well.
Portis would be sticky and out of the question if $10mm were used for Bamba. It would have to be one or the other and I forgot that Portis was an UFA rather than RFA so it would be easier to negotiate for Bridges and sign him ourselves than becoming hardcapped for Portis.
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Post by dfries13 on Jun 18, 2022 13:12:33 GMT -5
Turds in SF? Nice and true the old Haight-Ashbury is a shit hole This coming thu an old hippies mouth. KDP was right were hard caped. I see little moves at best. Maybe we trade Smart for a real PG.....We likely pay out more not less however. Getting a decent big isn't likely/ PP and Grant need to go.Nesmith ii keep one more year California(especially San Francisco) ain’t what it was when I got here in the 60s after VietNam…in fact I liked the summer of love and free love getting out of the military and Aids had not started yet. Yup, Disneyland, Hollywood, the Dodgers, suntans, beach volleyball and surfing with good Vibrations and " California Dreamin’. But LA has a 53 square block, Seattle too, a Liberal dominated city, of tents and piles of garbage punctuated with passed out, strung out, drugged out Americans, lost souls with dull eyes seemingly devoid of hope or dreams or purpose. Diseases( Typhus, Tuberculosis etc.) and Rats are pervasive and many crimes to feed the drug needs. Tens of thousands of the homeless are desperate for shelter, services and of course, as mentioned, drugs. Why doesn’t this Liberal government build shelters and housing for the majority of the city's homeless, and then let police enforce the rules against camping on city property. The city government has lost control of the situation & this Skid Row is the worst man-made disaster in the United States. As I said, SF now a town with defecation in the streets and more serious, needles from druggies, that can harm little kids. Many tourists say they will not return not liking the odor of urine and feces. Conventions cancelling coming here. Why don’t the Demos clean this up instead of voting themselves some of the highest salaries of city and gov. employees. And, Pelosi, instead of having concentrated mostly on impeachment which is the phrase I used before, “Pissing Up Wind”, should have worked on cleaning up the slums in SF & LA. And, if Trump, is penalized for Jan 6, good, I am not a Trump fan. Seattle too, another Liberal City, has the same type slums. Happy to be on the Monterey Peninsula, at least now, free from the aforementioned. Sorry for my political opinions but the forum should be light these days and, what’s left, as it appears we have beaten a dead horse on our loss, is commenting on the drafts. no ill feeling toward you at all Cap Not a Pelosi fan myself,
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