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Post by dfries13 on Dec 14, 2021 9:45:32 GMT -5
Tatum had a look of relief and new found confidence. He knows he needs Brown and Brown needs Tatum. Best keep these two together maybe i was wrong an addition of a player or two might make us a tough team. Just one game we'll see when the dust settles when the trades start happening.. Irving and Simmons will play somewhere this year the east will get tougher not easier next month They showed so much promise taking out the bucks now 5 years ago was it? So much water under the bridge but the thing I always wonder is, what could they be with a real, athletic power forward to run with them? You could say hayward pre-injury might be close to that guy in some ways, but we know how that ended. It's not going to be Grant and Tatum is an SF not a PF like some suggested one good shooting night in 5 games ..No way he finishes the season with a 40 percent from three has one shot a baseline jumper Teams will start guarding him forcing him to the middle where he is worthless. Our biggest need is a quick young PF who is over 6'6'' and can run and maybe grab an offensive board at least one per game. Providing Pud can keep Smart in line we need a backup PG Schroder and PP are toast
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Post by cole on Dec 14, 2021 9:48:56 GMT -5
I was thinking of asking last night if the board believed grant was really a 40% guy from 3. Guess you don't.
I would counter, on his behalf, that if teams start guarding him tight then we've won that battle. Wish it could happen for smart too!
My only problem with grant is he just looks like alligator arms on defense. When he's in with tatum and brown, it doesn't show up quite as obviously.
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Post by dfries13 on Dec 14, 2021 10:03:13 GMT -5
My only problem with grant is he just looks like alligator arms on defense..
mine also
Yeah he grabs and holds can't jump either or grab any offensive boards.
maybe if we played on water he could drag someone under.
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Post by kdp59 on Dec 14, 2021 10:03:17 GMT -5
They showed so much promise taking out the bucks now 5 years ago was it? So much water under the bridge but the thing I always wonder is, what could they be with a real, athletic power forward to run with them? You could say hayward pre-injury might be close to that guy in some ways, but we know how that ended. It's not going to be Grant and Tatum is an SF not a PF like some suggested one good shooting night in 5 games ..No way he finishes the season with a 40 percent from three has one shot a baseline jumper Teams will start guarding him forcing him to the middle where he is worthless. Our biggest need is a quick young PF who is over 6'6'' and can run and maybe grab an offensive board at least one per game.
Providing Pud can keep Smart in line we need a backup PG Schroder and PP are toastOK here is one for you Schroder and Herman Gomez to the Knicks for Obi-one-Tobin and KEMBA!!!!!!!!! LOL, how does that work for ya?
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Post by dfries13 on Dec 14, 2021 10:06:20 GMT -5
It's not going to be Grant and Tatum is an SF not a PF like some suggested one good shooting night in 5 games ..No way he finishes the season with a 40 percent from three has one shot a baseline jumper Teams will start guarding him forcing him to the middle where he is worthless. Our biggest need is a quick young PF who is over 6'6'' and can run and maybe grab an offensive board at least one per game.
Providing Pud can keep Smart in line we need a backup PG Schroder and PP are toastOK here is one for you Schroder and Herman Gomez to the Knicks for Obi-one-Tobin and KEMBA!!!!!!!!! LOL, how does that work for ya? No said PG not a 6ft shooting guard even Stevens seen that was hopeless. don't know much about Tobin havn't watched him alot
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Post by cole on Dec 14, 2021 10:07:36 GMT -5
It's not going to be Grant and Tatum is an SF not a PF like some suggested one good shooting night in 5 games ..No way he finishes the season with a 40 percent from three has one shot a baseline jumper Teams will start guarding him forcing him to the middle where he is worthless. Our biggest need is a quick young PF who is over 6'6'' and can run and maybe grab an offensive board at least one per game.
Providing Pud can keep Smart in line we need a backup PG Schroder and PP are toastOK here is one for you Schroder and Herman Gomez to the Knicks for Obi-one-Tobin and KEMBA!!!!!!!!! LOL, how does that work for ya? lets bring him here so we can trade him back so OKC. We'll only have to throw in a 2nd rounder this time.
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Post by kdp59 on Dec 14, 2021 10:09:09 GMT -5
HAHA....is that a hard NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by dfries13 on Dec 14, 2021 10:11:30 GMT -5
OK here is one for you Schroder and Herman Gomez to the Knicks for Obi-one-Tobin and KEMBA!!!!!!!!! LOL, how does that work for ya? lets bring him here so we can trade him back so OKC. We'll only have to throw in a 2nd rounder this time. nice
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Post by DaCeltics on Dec 14, 2021 11:54:24 GMT -5
We could use a point guard and a power forward.
Ben Simmons is both!
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Post by DaCeltics on Dec 14, 2021 11:56:28 GMT -5
I really like what Ime did after the road trip.
Brad left the team super soft mentally and Ime is doing his best to bring the fight out of them.
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Post by petey62 on Dec 14, 2021 13:43:40 GMT -5
Folks it was one game and Tatum finally showed some heart, which has been hard to come by this season.
And no way should we expect to get continued production from GWill like last night.
I love Smart's 11 assists but I need more offense from him. These "one'fors" just don't do it for me. He's made one FG in each of the past two games. And his shots are not even close to going in. As bad as his shooting percentage was, it's actually getting worse.
We need to move GWill now while he has some value. What could we get back for Smart and GWill and a #1? Richardson or Langford moves into Smart's role and the player we bring back is a major upgrade over GWill. I call that improving and maybe that can open up some playing time for Nesmith, who desperately needs it.
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Post by Cabutan on Dec 14, 2021 14:54:49 GMT -5
Folks it was one game and Tatum finally showed some heart, which has been hard to come by this season. And no way should we expect to get continued production from GWill like last night. I love Smart's 11 assists but I need more offense from him. These "one'fors" just don't do it for me. He's made one FG in each of the past two games. And his shots are not even close to going in. As bad as his shooting percentage was, it's actually getting worse. We need to move GWill now while he has some value. What could we get back for Smart and GWill and a #1? Richardson or Langford moves into Smart's role and the player we bring back is a major upgrade over GWill. I call that improving and maybe that can open up some playing time for Nesmith, who desperately needs it. dunno the hate for William. He has been consistent with his threes and he does the little things. Isnt he shooting over 40 from the 3? Anyways.. on a different note, we should consider Hauser to cover that last spot. He is our best shooter.
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Post by drewski6 on Dec 14, 2021 15:00:54 GMT -5
Its kind of funny to read the same things here game after game, year after year. Its funny to see you guys get what you ask for, and us being worse as a result, but then to ask for more of what you got (even though it made us worse).
We've tried it your way. And we suck. Time to rethink these giant lineups.
A starting lineup of Smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford, and Rwill isnt big, its freaking huge. And we're slow, not explosive, no offense. Cuz this is what happens when you stack bigs.
Last year, we were at our absolute worst when we played TT, Theis and Tatum all together. This year, we decided to double down on the 3 big lineup. Spoiler alert: same results. Not enough scoring, not enough transition, not enough speed down the court, not enough side to side mobility. Too big, too slow, too stubborn, and not enough offense.
Cuz here's the truth. You win in this NBA with speed and shooting, not size. Anthony Davis couldnt get his team even close to a playoff spot. How those Twolves doing? Yet you all beg for KAT (and hes not even the best player on that team anymore). How those Sixers doing? "OMG if we only had Embiid." To look at the Celtics and come away thinking we need size or a big , is just silly. Its the opposite.
The truth is this team has never once played small ball. Not last year , not the year before. Really, y'all a bunch of dinosaurs wanting a throwback battle of the bigs. Bigs, especially traditional bigs, hurt more than they help in this switch-happy high octane league.
Its time for the first time ever, for this team to go small. We've never played small (centerless) basketball. Never.
Tatum, Brown, one more swing, and 2 guards.
Bigs just dont win.
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Post by dfries13 on Dec 14, 2021 15:20:13 GMT -5
Folks it was one game and Tatum finally showed some heart, which has been hard to come by this season. And no way should we expect to get continued production from GWill like last night. I love Smart's 11 assists but I need more offense from him. These "one'fors" just don't do it for me. He's made one FG in each of the past two games. And his shots are not even close to going in. As bad as his shooting percentage was, it's actually getting worse. We need to move GWill now while he has some value. What could we get back for Smart and GWill and a #1? Richardson or Langford moves into Smart's role and the player we bring back is a major upgrade over GWill. I call that improving and maybe that can open up some playing time for Nesmith, who desperately needs it. Were on the same page except for a PG unless your saying we can fetch one with Smart Gwill and a pick.. We gain a player and open up another hole . .Schroder is being shopped as we speak and PP is benched
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Post by dfries13 on Dec 14, 2021 15:27:15 GMT -5
Its kind of funny to read the same things here game after game, year after year. Its funny to see you guys get what you ask for, and us being worse as a result, but then to ask for more of what you got (even though it made us worse). We've tried it your way. And we suck. Time to rethink these giant lineups. A starting lineup of Smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford, and Rwill isnt big, its freaking huge. And we're slow, not explosive, no offense. Cuz this is what happens when you stack bigs. Last year, we were at our absolute worst when we played TT, Theis and Tatum all together. This year, we decided to double down on the 3 big lineup. Spoiler alert: same results. Not enough scoring, not enough transition, not enough speed down the court, not enough side to side mobility. Too big, too slow, too stubborn, and not enough offense. Cuz here's the truth. You win in this NBA with speed and shooting, not size. Anthony Davis couldnt get his team even close to a playoff spot. How those Twolves doing? Yet you all beg for KAT (and hes not even the best player on that team anymore). How those Sixers doing? "OMG if we only had Embiid." To look at the Celtics and come away thinking we need size or a big , is just silly. Its the opposite. The truth is this team has never once played small ball. Not last year , not the year before. Really, y'all a bunch of dinosaurs wanting a throwback battle of the bigs. Bigs, especially traditional bigs, hurt more than they help in this switch-happy high octane league. Its time for the first time ever, for this team to go small. We've never played small (centerless) basketball. Never. Tatum, Brown, one more swing, and 2 guards. Bigs just dont win. Tristan Kardashian sucked and Theiss was a 6'8' inch PF not a center liked we played him. Rwill has bad legs and Horford has more miles than my 88 Volvo 24O wagon We played heave a three and pray the last few years nothing more.. I must admit im...
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Post by petey62 on Dec 14, 2021 15:29:57 GMT -5
Folks it was one game and Tatum finally showed some heart, which has been hard to come by this season. And no way should we expect to get continued production from GWill like last night. I love Smart's 11 assists but I need more offense from him. These "one'fors" just don't do it for me. He's made one FG in each of the past two games. And his shots are not even close to going in. As bad as his shooting percentage was, it's actually getting worse. We need to move GWill now while he has some value. What could we get back for Smart and GWill and a #1? Richardson or Langford moves into Smart's role and the player we bring back is a major upgrade over GWill. I call that improving and maybe that can open up some playing time for Nesmith, who desperately needs it. dunno the hate for William. He has been consistent with his threes and he does the little things. Isnt he shooting over 40 from the 3? Anyways.. on a different note, we should consider Hauser to cover that last spot. He is our best shooter. Not a reflection of hate for GWill. To the contrary. He's young and inconsistent and is challenged to defend length. And he's shooting at a clip that makes him valuable, right now (maybe not in February/March). GWill, like Smart, is a player who needs to play around much better players, much better scorers (reduces dependency on their offense). With those performances from Tatum and Brown last night, we need games like this from GWill to be successful but we won't get many more like that from him. He's just not that kind of consistent offensive player. GWill has value NOW and we should not let that value go to waste considering the major improvements this team needs. Our most valuable chips right now are GWill, Schroder and Smart with Horford and his non-guaranteed cap hit next year a close fourth to those three. Horford can't play back-to-backs and RWill can't play 30 minutes on any given night. That puts a lot of expectation on GWill and he's not capable of meeting those expectations consistently.
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Post by petey62 on Dec 14, 2021 15:41:44 GMT -5
Its kind of funny to read the same things here game after game, year after year. Its funny to see you guys get what you ask for, and us being worse as a result, but then to ask for more of what you got (even though it made us worse). We've tried it your way. And we suck. Time to rethink these giant lineups. A starting lineup of Smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford, and Rwill isnt big, its freaking huge. And we're slow, not explosive, no offense. Cuz this is what happens when you stack bigs. Last year, we were at our absolute worst when we played TT, Theis and Tatum all together. This year, we decided to double down on the 3 big lineup. Spoiler alert: same results. Not enough scoring, not enough transition, not enough speed down the court, not enough side to side mobility. Too big, too slow, too stubborn, and not enough offense. Cuz here's the truth. You win in this NBA with speed and shooting, not size. Anthony Davis couldnt get his team even close to a playoff spot. How those Twolves doing? Yet you all beg for KAT (and hes not even the best player on that team anymore). How those Sixers doing? "OMG if we only had Embiid." To look at the Celtics and come away thinking we need size or a big , is just silly. Its the opposite. The truth is this team has never once played small ball. Not last year , not the year before. Really, y'all a bunch of dinosaurs wanting a throwback battle of the bigs. Bigs, especially traditional bigs, hurt more than they help in this switch-happy high octane league. Its time for the first time ever, for this team to go small. We've never played small (centerless) basketball. Never.
Tatum, Brown, one more swing, and 2 guards.Bigs just dont win. We would get abused using any lineup with 2 guards, Tatum, Brown and a 3rd wing. Giannis and Lopez would kills us. Capela and Collins would have a field day. Embiid and Drummond would snatch every rebound, We get killed now by AD and Lebron while Westrbook gets to the rim easily. We have to have a center. This lineup you suggest gives us NO RIM PROTECTION or INTERIOR DEFENSE or REBOUNDING. Who would be our rebounder? I could see a lineup of Tatum, Brown, (a player like Reddish or Marcus Morris), and a good PG WITH a decent big in the Jarret Allen mold. A ton of scoring options about a big who can move is what this team needs, in my opinion. I think we can go small at times but that cannot be our primary lineup.
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Post by Admin on Dec 14, 2021 16:09:18 GMT -5
apparently some were thretened with job loss if they went home
factory workers and Celtics too!
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Post by dfries13 on Dec 14, 2021 16:23:51 GMT -5
apparently some were thretened with job loss if they went home
factory workers and Celtics too!
celtics ? 8 bucks an hour pay to boot Mitch and Rand care less. A damn shame they are still in office Kentucky candle factory bosses threatened to fire those who fled tornado, say workers Night shift employees report managers took roll call as tornado bore down to be sure no one had left without permission
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Post by dfries13 on Dec 14, 2021 16:35:03 GMT -5
Tatum has no interest in playing the 4 or 5 slot so it ain't happening anyway Pete..
I'M all for a quick young big that can run the floor and Towns and Embidd are not on my list.
Drew is half right but his examples of our past and present bigs isn't a solid argument....
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Post by petey62 on Dec 14, 2021 16:42:18 GMT -5
Tatum has no interest in playing the 4 or 5 slot so it ain't happening anyway Pete.. I'M all for a quick young big that can run the floor and Towns and Embidd are not on my list. Drew is half right but his examples of our past and present bigs isn't a solid argument.... A duo of RWill and Horford would be perfect to fill the center role surrounded by Tatum, Brown, a wing like Reddish or Morris, and a decent PG (Dejounte Murray mold). Actually, if RWill could play more than 30 minutes a game, he'd be the perfect center for how the Celtics want to play. If only he could develop a 3-point shot! Lol.
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Post by dfries13 on Dec 14, 2021 17:16:08 GMT -5
Tatum has no interest in playing the 4 or 5 slot so it ain't happening anyway Pete.. I'M all for a quick young big that can run the floor and Towns and Embidd are not on my list. Drew is half right but his examples of our past and present bigs isn't a solid argument.... A duo of RWill and Horford would be perfect to fill the center role surrounded by Tatum, Brown, a wing like Reddish or Morris, and a decent PG (Dejounte Murray mold). Actually, if RWill could play more than 30 minutes a game, he'd be the perfect center for how the Celtics want to play. If only he could develop a 3-point shot! Lol. Rwill has a decent looking jumper but he rarely takes it. A big wing we need badley one that can run maybe play half decent D Horford and Rwill can share the minutes this year if we don't ask them to play 30 + minutes. I would trade Rwill if we got something in return..No way we fill the PFand PG problem both this year and Smart should assume the 6th man role not starting. Ain't but one way out Sign this kid and throw him in the mix this season I give Stevens credit for traveling to watch him He should have had a check and a plane ticket in his pocket. last week game
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Post by drewski6 on Dec 14, 2021 19:47:26 GMT -5
Its kind of funny to read the same things here game after game, year after year. Its funny to see you guys get what you ask for, and us being worse as a result, but then to ask for more of what you got (even though it made us worse). We've tried it your way. And we suck. Time to rethink these giant lineups. A starting lineup of Smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford, and Rwill isnt big, its freaking huge. And we're slow, not explosive, no offense. Cuz this is what happens when you stack bigs. Last year, we were at our absolute worst when we played TT, Theis and Tatum all together. This year, we decided to double down on the 3 big lineup. Spoiler alert: same results. Not enough scoring, not enough transition, not enough speed down the court, not enough side to side mobility. Too big, too slow, too stubborn, and not enough offense. Cuz here's the truth. You win in this NBA with speed and shooting, not size. Anthony Davis couldnt get his team even close to a playoff spot. How those Twolves doing? Yet you all beg for KAT (and hes not even the best player on that team anymore). How those Sixers doing? "OMG if we only had Embiid." To look at the Celtics and come away thinking we need size or a big , is just silly. Its the opposite. The truth is this team has never once played small ball. Not last year , not the year before. Really, y'all a bunch of dinosaurs wanting a throwback battle of the bigs. Bigs, especially traditional bigs, hurt more than they help in this switch-happy high octane league. Its time for the first time ever, for this team to go small. We've never played small (centerless) basketball. Never.
Tatum, Brown, one more swing, and 2 guards.Bigs just dont win. We would get abused using any lineup with 2 guards, Tatum, Brown and a 3rd wing. Giannis and Lopez would kills us. Capela and Collins would have a field day. Embiid and Drummond would snatch every rebound, We get killed now by AD and Lebron while Westrbook gets to the rim easily. We have to have a center. This lineup you suggest gives us NO RIM PROTECTION or INTERIOR DEFENSE or REBOUNDING. Who would be our rebounder? I could see a lineup of Tatum, Brown, (a player like Reddish or Marcus Morris), and a good PG WITH a decent big in the Jarret Allen mold. A ton of scoring options about a big who can move is what this team needs, in my opinion. I think we can go small at times but that cannot be our primary lineup. Okay, so against the bucks you put in a center. Lopez killing us? Let him try. Capela and Collins? Are you serious? If they want to run the offense through them then Trae is doing less, so ill take it. Drummond and Embiid, neither scare me. Cuz Bigs suck. The reason Westbrook gets to the rim easily is cuz we dont have a guard that can stay in front of him. Rebounding is overrated. We do have a big who can move. And his name is Tatum. Tatum is like 6'8-6'9 who averages like 8 boards/game. Hes larger than most PFs. We've been doing nothing but trying to cram as much size into our lineup as possible, and its coming at the cost of speed, transition, and talent. This team is at its best when we are running. Run right by Drummond and Embiid. In a few years, there wont be any guys like this in the league anyways. Drummond should already be out of the league, and embiid is so freaking overrated. Bigs hurt, they dont help. There are a few pf'ers (and maybe 1-2 centers) who are worth starting, but even they....arent as important as say a Trae. Thats who we need. Not a sixth freaking big. We have so many solid bigs and 1-2 half-decent guards. Smart, Trae, Brown, Tatum, Al/RWill splitting time at 5. That would be awesome. Ill meet you at the middle on 1 Center. But honestly , Im not 100% sure where this notion that Tatum cant be a PF is even coming from. Hes above average size for a PF. Actually, I know where its coming from, its coming from this dated notion that you need to cram as much size into the lineup as possible. A guy like Trae is exactly what we need. Explosive. Fast. Run. High-Octane. Scoring. We dont need another big. We're too slow and not explosive enough. You dont solve that by getting bigger and slower. We need to get smaller and more explosive. Yes, move Tatum to PF. Just gotta get more explosiveness in there. Now I understand Traes dont grow on trees. But honestly, thats what we need. Not a Collins and especially not a Drummond. I cant believe that guy still gets a paycheck in the league.
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Post by drewski6 on Dec 14, 2021 19:49:34 GMT -5
Tatum has no interest in playing the 4 or 5 slot so it ain't happening anyway Pete.. I'M all for a quick young big that can run the floor and Towns and Embidd are not on my list. Drew is half right but his examples of our past and present bigs isn't a solid argument.... A duo of RWill and Horford would be perfect to fill the center role surrounded by Tatum, Brown, a wing like Reddish or Morris, and a decent PG (Dejounte Murray mold). Actually, if RWill could play more than 30 minutes a game, he'd be the perfect center for how the Celtics want to play. If only he could develop a 3-point shot! Lol. Not enough firepower.
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Post by drewski6 on Dec 14, 2021 19:50:44 GMT -5
Tatum has no interest in playing the 4 or 5 slot so it ain't happening anyway Pete.. I'M all for a quick young big that can run the floor and Towns and Embidd are not on my list. Drew is half right but his examples of our past and present bigs isn't a solid argument.... A duo of RWill and Horford would be perfect to fill the center role surrounded by Tatum, Brown, a wing like Reddish or Morris, and a decent PG (Dejounte Murray mold). Actually, if RWill could play more than 30 minutes a game, he'd be the perfect center for how the Celtics want to play. If only he could develop a 3-point shot! Lol. Its a solid team. Its a 4 seed. Not enough firepower though, will hit its ceiling. We need to stop focusing on how to cram as much size in there as possible and start focusing on how to cram as much offense in there as possible. Otherwise, we'll just keep hitting our ceiling.
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