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Post by Admin on Jul 21, 2021 19:34:15 GMT -5
Would it be fair to say, Jeff Teague is laughing his ass off at us about now?? Did he play?
According to masslive.com
From a Finals standpoint, Teague didn’t have a meaningful impact. He played in all six games but scored just nine points on 2-of-10 shooting. However, he did leave his imprint on the Bucks title run in the Eastern Conference Finals when his 11 points off the bench in Game 6 in Atlanta helped the Bucks clinch the series win despite Giannis Antetokounmpo being sidelined with a knee injury.
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 22, 2021 9:39:47 GMT -5
Lets not forget that Giannis got hurt in the playoffs as well. Dont remember in which series. Still quite an accomplishment. He played through the injury too. The Nets guys, couldnt play through the injuries. They are soft. They needed to be together. KDs last game, he was exhausted. He couldnt take it. Giannis made it through all of it. Ya, there’s also extent to injuries as well. Harden played and was useless…Kyrie didn’t. Durant was an inch away from ending their series I wouldn’t rag on him too much. For example if Middleton and holiday were out for an entire series I’d say the bucks were hampered by injuries as well. Giannis didn’t really seem too hampered by his your a nets fan. Can tell. Isnt KD the best player in the world? He could have done it. He has harris. I hate injury excuses. They dont work. Every sport has them and how a team is assembled is very important for this reason. Nets were a big failure period.
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Post by solly on Jul 22, 2021 9:43:05 GMT -5
Ya, there’s also extent to injuries as well. Harden played and was useless…Kyrie didn’t. Durant was an inch away from ending their series I wouldn’t rag on him too much. For example if Middleton and holiday were out for an entire series I’d say the bucks were hampered by injuries as well. Giannis didn’t really seem too hampered by his your a nets fan. Can tell. Isnt KD the best player in the world? He could have done it. He has harris. I hate injury excuses. They dont work. Every sport has them and how a team is assembled is very important for this reason. Nets were a big failure period. Ok Cab, I am a Nets Fan because I think injuries played a role in both teams getting to the finals? I think Tim Legler agrees as well as he said it about the Suns, is he also a Lakers and Clippers fan? Durant is great, so is Giannis. When your other best players are hurt that effects the team. You saying he had Joe Harris is pretty laughable honestly. I will ask you this. If Middleton and Jrue were both not playing in the Suns series, do the Bucks win? Injuries are really an excuse when its to 40% of your starting lineup, and that 40% are some of the best players on the team. As we all know a singular player in basketball has more effect then any other team sport Just went back and looked at the Immortal Joe Harris' stats in the bucks series. In losses he was 11-38 from the floor and 7-26 from 3. Looks different when hes actually needed and not getting wide open shots
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Post by solly on Jul 22, 2021 9:50:48 GMT -5
Tim Legler--"If the Lakers dont break down, the Phoenix Suns dont make it to the Finals"
Again, I wasnt trying to start this conversation from my previous posts. I am glad Giannis won, and I hope it creates a change in the league
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Post by elvissurfs on Jul 22, 2021 9:56:15 GMT -5
Tim Legler--"If the Lakers dont break down, the Phoenix Suns dont make it to the Finals" Again, I wasnt trying to start this conversation from my previous posts. I am glad Giannis won, and I hope it creates a change in the league And if Kawhi doesnt break down, maybe the Lakers dont make it to the Finals...
we can only hope that Father time takes LeQueen out of the league soon...
The problem with Giannis winning is that now his bully ball style (popularized by LeQueen) will be even more protected by the refs...it is going to be 5 on 8 every time we play Milwaukee...
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Post by drewski6 on Jul 22, 2021 10:16:39 GMT -5
Jae is a fine player, shows how he makes absolutely no difference if the Stars arent playing well Given his trend though, hes a perfect player if you want to get smoked in the finals while this is 100% correct, I also feel that for what players like Jae bring to the table, Jae is, or should be, at the ceiling of what a team should pay for what those players bring to a team. paying Smart $18m per year for Jae type play is ludicrous Im not sure I agree Smart and Jae is apples to apples. Smart is an underrated facilitator. But I agree with the general point that you have to cap how much you are willing to spend for a guy like that, both in acquisition cost (draft picks, talent going the other way in trades) and in $$. As is always the case, a players value is their contribution w/ respect to salary. So if you are trading Smart, you are not trading Smart in a vacuum. You are trading Smart at his current contract, and I can part with that. He would be harder to part with if he was making say $8M/yr. Smart makes about 14m this year and next. IF thats the going rate for a player of his ilk, thats par value and we'd be wise to move him if we can get a good return.
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Post by kyceltic on Jul 22, 2021 10:27:00 GMT -5
your a nets fan. Can tell. Isnt KD the best player in the world? He could have done it. He has harris. I hate injury excuses. They dont work. Every sport has them and how a team is assembled is very important for this reason. Nets were a big failure period. Ok Cab, I am a Nets Fan because I think injuries played a role in both teams getting to the finals? I think Tim Legler agrees as well as he said it about the Suns, is he also a Lakers and Clippers fan? Durant is great, so is Giannis. When your other best players are hurt that effects the team. You saying he had Joe Harris is pretty laughable honestly. I will ask you this. If Middleton and Jrue were both not playing in the Suns series, do the Bucks win? Injuries are really an excuse when its to 40% of your starting lineup, and that 40% are some of the best players on the team. As we all know a singular player in basketball has more effect then any other team sport Just went back and looked at the Immortal Joe Harris' stats in the bucks series. In losses he was 11-38 from the floor and 7-26 from 3. Looks different when hes actually needed and not getting wide open shots 7 of 26 from three! Marcus Smart would love those numbers!
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Post by solly on Jul 22, 2021 10:28:33 GMT -5
Tim Legler--"If the Lakers dont break down, the Phoenix Suns dont make it to the Finals" Again, I wasnt trying to start this conversation from my previous posts. I am glad Giannis won, and I hope it creates a change in the league And if Kawhi doesnt break down, maybe the Lakers dont make it to the Finals...
we can only hope that Father time takes LeQueen out of the league soon...
The problem with Giannis winning is that now his bully ball style (popularized by LeQueen) will be even more protected by the refs...it is going to be 5 on 8 every time we play Milwaukee...
Possibly, the NBA is so driven by individual players that injuries have huge consequences in series. To say they are a bad excuse seems just like an old saying. I dont agree with the problem of bully ball, the game needs more physicality and I think hes a rare breed. Not many players are coming into the league with his physical dominance. The trend will hopefully be stopping hte team hopping, which will make team building much more important
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Post by solly on Jul 22, 2021 10:29:48 GMT -5
Ok Cab, I am a Nets Fan because I think injuries played a role in both teams getting to the finals? I think Tim Legler agrees as well as he said it about the Suns, is he also a Lakers and Clippers fan? Durant is great, so is Giannis. When your other best players are hurt that effects the team. You saying he had Joe Harris is pretty laughable honestly. I will ask you this. If Middleton and Jrue were both not playing in the Suns series, do the Bucks win? Injuries are really an excuse when its to 40% of your starting lineup, and that 40% are some of the best players on the team. As we all know a singular player in basketball has more effect then any other team sport Just went back and looked at the Immortal Joe Harris' stats in the bucks series. In losses he was 11-38 from the floor and 7-26 from 3. Looks different when hes actually needed and not getting wide open shots 7 of 26 from three! Marcus Smart would love those numbers! Joe Harris and Ben Simmons were comparable level shooters in that series!
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 22, 2021 10:58:48 GMT -5
your a nets fan. Can tell. Isnt KD the best player in the world? He could have done it. He has harris. I hate injury excuses. They dont work. Every sport has them and how a team is assembled is very important for this reason. Nets were a big failure period. Ok Cab, I am a Nets Fan because I think injuries played a role in both teams getting to the finals? I think Tim Legler agrees as well as he said it about the Suns, is he also a Lakers and Clippers fan? Durant is great, so is Giannis. When your other best players are hurt that effects the team. You saying he had Joe Harris is pretty laughable honestly. I will ask you this. If Middleton and Jrue were both not playing in the Suns series, do the Bucks win? Injuries are really an excuse when its to 40% of your starting lineup, and that 40% are some of the best players on the team. As we all know a singular player in basketball has more effect then any other team sport Just went back and looked at the Immortal Joe Harris' stats in the bucks series. In losses he was 11-38 from the floor and 7-26 from 3. Looks different when hes actually needed and not getting wide open shots what ifs dont apply here. You win or you lose. If you lose because your starters were hurt and couldnt been replaced with role players, then you have to say perhaps the team was not assembled properly. KD has had time to prove himself over and over on his own and cant do it. Couldnt do it. There is a reason why a team has 15-17 players in case injuries happen
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 22, 2021 11:03:52 GMT -5
Ok Cab, I am a Nets Fan because I think injuries played a role in both teams getting to the finals? I think Tim Legler agrees as well as he said it about the Suns, is he also a Lakers and Clippers fan? Durant is great, so is Giannis. When your other best players are hurt that effects the team. You saying he had Joe Harris is pretty laughable honestly. I will ask you this. If Middleton and Jrue were both not playing in the Suns series, do the Bucks win? Injuries are really an excuse when its to 40% of your starting lineup, and that 40% are some of the best players on the team. As we all know a singular player in basketball has more effect then any other team sport Just went back and looked at the Immortal Joe Harris' stats in the bucks series. In losses he was 11-38 from the floor and 7-26 from 3. Looks different when hes actually needed and not getting wide open shots 7 of 26 from three! Marcus Smart would love those numbers! well. Smart would have defended better than anyone on that team
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 22, 2021 11:05:10 GMT -5
Man solly. Give it up. Putting injuries as an excuse is just crazy. What if Milw won that series with intact nets players? Thats why what ifs dont count. It could go either way or are you telling me you can predict stuff?
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Post by solly on Jul 22, 2021 11:50:40 GMT -5
Ok Cab, I am a Nets Fan because I think injuries played a role in both teams getting to the finals? I think Tim Legler agrees as well as he said it about the Suns, is he also a Lakers and Clippers fan? Durant is great, so is Giannis. When your other best players are hurt that effects the team. You saying he had Joe Harris is pretty laughable honestly. I will ask you this. If Middleton and Jrue were both not playing in the Suns series, do the Bucks win? Injuries are really an excuse when its to 40% of your starting lineup, and that 40% are some of the best players on the team. As we all know a singular player in basketball has more effect then any other team sport Just went back and looked at the Immortal Joe Harris' stats in the bucks series. In losses he was 11-38 from the floor and 7-26 from 3. Looks different when hes actually needed and not getting wide open shots what ifs dont apply here. You win or you lose. If you lose because your starters were hurt and couldnt been replaced with role players, then you have to say perhaps the team was not assembled properly. KD has had time to prove himself over and over on his own and cant do it. Couldnt do it. There is a reason why a team has 15-17 players in case injuries happen You know as well as everybody NBA rosters arent built to win 15-17. All great NBA rosters are top heavy. Can you Name one roster that has won without 2 of their best players? In NBA history. Lets use this example. Did you think the 90s Bulls were a well built roster? Without Michael they couldnt get past the knicks...With MJ they never lost. Poorly built roster that couldnt overcome the loss of MJ? This conversation again is taking away from my real point...Giannis has a chance to change how the league and teams are built. Do players look at this as a fluke/one and done or a consistent way to do things. Which was my point. Hopefully the former for the Celtics sake, I think if JT/JB are committed to a long term build then they could be very good for a long time
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Post by kyceltic on Jul 22, 2021 12:02:17 GMT -5
What if's are like what might have been's, not worth a dime!
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Post by solly on Jul 22, 2021 12:04:58 GMT -5
7 of 26 from three! Marcus Smart would love those numbers! well. Smart would have defended better than anyone on that team Dont diss Joe Harris right after you praised him!
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Post by Cabutan on Jul 22, 2021 13:17:19 GMT -5
what ifs dont apply here. You win or you lose. If you lose because your starters were hurt and couldnt been replaced with role players, then you have to say perhaps the team was not assembled properly. KD has had time to prove himself over and over on his own and cant do it. Couldnt do it. There is a reason why a team has 15-17 players in case injuries happen You know as well as everybody NBA rosters arent built to win 15-17. All great NBA rosters are top heavy. Can you Name one roster that has won without 2 of their best players? In NBA history. Lets use this example. Did you think the 90s Bulls were a well built roster? Without Michael they couldnt get past the knicks...With MJ they never lost. Poorly built roster that couldnt overcome the loss of MJ? This conversation again is taking away from my real point...Giannis has a chance to change how the league and teams are built. Do players look at this as a fluke/one and done or a consistent way to do things. Which was my point. Hopefully the former for the Celtics sake, I think if JT/JB are committed to a long term build then they could be very good for a long time ehhh Michael at some point was injured and Pippen literally took over and made up for his absence. Same with Giannis. Got hurt, Middleton, Lopez etc stepped up. KD never left or wasnt injured was he? Excuses are for losers and i dont mean you but if a team will use any excuse to justify their loss, they are losers.
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Post by solly on Jul 22, 2021 13:26:19 GMT -5
You know as well as everybody NBA rosters arent built to win 15-17. All great NBA rosters are top heavy. Can you Name one roster that has won without 2 of their best players? In NBA history. Lets use this example. Did you think the 90s Bulls were a well built roster? Without Michael they couldnt get past the knicks...With MJ they never lost. Poorly built roster that couldnt overcome the loss of MJ? This conversation again is taking away from my real point...Giannis has a chance to change how the league and teams are built. Do players look at this as a fluke/one and done or a consistent way to do things. Which was my point. Hopefully the former for the Celtics sake, I think if JT/JB are committed to a long term build then they could be very good for a long time ehhh Michael at some point was injured and Pippen literally took over and made up for his absence. Same with Giannis. Got hurt, Middleton, Lopez etc stepped up. KD never left or wasnt injured was he? Excuses are for losers and i dont mean you but if a team will use any excuse to justify their loss, they are losers. Well games are games, Series are much different. The 94 bulls didnt have MJ and couldnt beat the Knicks. Bad Roster? 6championship in a row with him...Without him they got none. The Celtics in 09 after KG got hurt, they lost to the Magic. Was that a poorly built team? They dominated the entire year until he got hurt. Injuries to your best players in the NBA are catastrophic. Great teams were always top heavy
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Post by elvissurfs on Jul 22, 2021 19:16:55 GMT -5
And if Kawhi doesnt break down, maybe the Lakers dont make it to the Finals...
we can only hope that Father time takes LeQueen out of the league soon...
The problem with Giannis winning is that now his bully ball style (popularized by LeQueen) will be even more protected by the refs...it is going to be 5 on 8 every time we play Milwaukee...
Possibly, the NBA is so driven by individual players that injuries have huge consequences in series. To say they are a bad excuse seems just like an old saying. I dont agree with the problem of bully ball, the game needs more physicality and I think hes a rare breed. Not many players are coming into the league with his physical dominance. The trend will hopefully be stopping hte team hopping, which will make team building much more important Yeah, would be nice to see team building become more important but bully ball where one clown can drive the land and take five steps slamming into people like he's a tight end on the Patriots and draws the foul because some one breathes on him suxxx...
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Post by elvissurfs on Jul 22, 2021 19:21:56 GMT -5
Man solly. Give it up. Putting injuries as an excuse is just crazy. What if Milw won that series with intact nets players? Thats why what ifs dont count. It could go either way or are you telling me you can predict stuff? Cab...this is from another forum this morning...just saying...glad that he is here and he brings up valid points, but he is going to play the devil's advocate just for the heck of it...sort of like me late night when I dont filter my posts properly and am all pissed off due to a Celtic loss...
"Best to just leave it be. I almost got sucked down the rabbit hole too. Trying to sanely discuss something with Solly is an exercise in frustration. Apparently he has a reputation that extends to other forums as well."
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Post by Admin on Jul 22, 2021 19:27:28 GMT -5
Man solly. Give it up. Putting injuries as an excuse is just crazy. What if Milw won that series with intact nets players? Thats why what ifs dont count. It could go either way or are you telling me you can predict stuff? Cab...this is from another forum this morning...just saying...glad that he is here and he brings up valid points, but he is going to play the devil's advocate just for the heck of it...sort of like me late night when I dont filter my posts properly and am all pissed off due to a Celtic loss...
"Best to just leave it be. I almost got sucked down the rabbit hole too. Trying to sanely discuss something with Solly is an exercise in frustration. Apparently he has a reputation that extends to other forums as well."
Fierce 2.0?
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Post by solly on Jul 22, 2021 19:54:21 GMT -5
Cab...this is from another forum this morning...just saying...glad that he is here and he brings up valid points, but he is going to play the devil's advocate just for the heck of it...sort of like me late night when I dont filter my posts properly and am all pissed off due to a Celtic loss...
"Best to just leave it be. I almost got sucked down the rabbit hole too. Trying to sanely discuss something with Solly is an exercise in frustration. Apparently he has a reputation that extends to other forums as well."
Fierce 2.0?
No there’s sensitive babies on every forum, can’t take the truth as their heads are in the fandom clouds. They go to forum to discuss sports yet get mad when you discuss it back. It’s a funny thing, actually incredibly lazy Also, Fierce left because he’s a baby…I’m here to discuss sports
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Post by solly on Jul 22, 2021 19:55:09 GMT -5
Man solly. Give it up. Putting injuries as an excuse is just crazy. What if Milw won that series with intact nets players? Thats why what ifs dont count. It could go either way or are you telling me you can predict stuff? Cab...this is from another forum this morning...just saying...glad that he is here and he brings up valid points, but he is going to play the devil's advocate just for the heck of it...sort of like me late night when I dont filter my posts properly and am all pissed off due to a Celtic loss...
"Best to just leave it be. I almost got sucked down the rabbit hole too. Trying to sanely discuss something with Solly is an exercise in frustration. Apparently he has a reputation that extends to other forums as well."
Hey Elvis, do you think it’s bad to discuss sports with your peers on a forum? I thought that was the point For some reason you criticize me constantly yet am “glad I’m here” and I “bring up valid points”. I don’t really see what’s wrong here
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Post by elvissurfs on Jul 22, 2021 21:35:47 GMT -5
Cab...this is from another forum this morning...just saying...glad that he is here and he brings up valid points, but he is going to play the devil's advocate just for the heck of it...sort of like me late night when I dont filter my posts properly and am all pissed off due to a Celtic loss...
"Best to just leave it be. I almost got sucked down the rabbit hole too. Trying to sanely discuss something with Solly is an exercise in frustration. Apparently he has a reputation that extends to other forums as well."
Hey Elvis, do you think it’s bad to discuss sports with your peers on a forum? I thought that was the point For some reason you criticize me constantly yet am “glad I’m here” and I “bring up valid points”. I don’t really see what’s wrong here I very much appreciate you being here...you are almost as much a butthead as I am...just dont want you bugging longterm posters like Cab...
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Post by solly on Jul 23, 2021 5:38:58 GMT -5
Hey Elvis, do you think it’s bad to discuss sports with your peers on a forum? I thought that was the point For some reason you criticize me constantly yet am “glad I’m here” and I “bring up valid points”. I don’t really see what’s wrong here I very much appreciate you being here...you are almost as much a butthead as I am...just dont want you bugging longterm posters like Cab... How am I bugging him? He responds, I respond back. We just disagree on things. If he doesn’t enjoy discussing things he can feel free to not respond as well. I don’t drive to his house and ruin his dinner
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