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Post by cole on May 31, 2021 11:36:43 GMT -5
Admin: I have a few ideas but let's start here:
What will make this a great team is: 1. A top 10 big 2. A solid PG 3. Another advance from JT and JB, with a dash more health 4. Success so former greats want to come chase a ring here
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 11:57:48 GMT -5
What will make this a great team is: 1. A top 10 big 2. A solid PG 3. Another advance from JT and JB, with a dash more health 4. Success so former greats want to come chase a ring here Yeah. Ya don't always get what ya want or what ya need . I havn't seen one logical post yet on how we accomplish all that next year.. Lets face the facts. Ainge has a dug a deep deep hole here. We have at least 5 players who don't belong in the NBA. It's less likely any former great will come to Boston. .Why would they? We are going to lose picks and a good young player to get rid of Walker.. One step forward two steps back. We have one bright spot.. Brown and Tatum are under contract for a few years..
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2021 12:30:56 GMT -5
First things I'd do:
1) Trade TT ($10MM is too much for what he brings) for Harrell from Lakers in even swap
2) S&T Fournier to get back another TPE ... he's doesn't have the chops or IQ to play defense at the 2/3 level.
3) Go all out for KAT
4) If KAT fails then sign Nerlens Noel to share center responsibilities with RWill & Harrell
5) Sign DinWiddie a 6'5" PG
5) Trade Kemba, OJ and 1st rd pk for Markkanen, Young & White from Bulls ... Bulls can flip Kemba to Knicks or elsewhere
6) Use TPE to get Bagley III or Holmes. Holmes would also be great at 4/5 but I don't see Kings parting with him.
7) Still need an experienced SG for threes ... Lou Williams, Wayne Ellington, Kent Bazemore or Josh Hart are all available from $2-8MM/yr
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Post by elvissurfs on May 31, 2021 12:37:53 GMT -5
First things I'd do: 1) Trade TT ($10MM is too much for what he brings) for Harrell from Lakers in even swap 2) S&T Fournier to get back another TPE ... he's doesn't have the chops or IQ to play defense at the 2/3 level. 3) Go all out for KAT 4) If KAT fails then sign Nerlens Noel to share center responsibilities with RWill & Harrell 5) Sign DinWiddie a 6'5" PG 5) Trade Kemba, OJ and 1st rd pk for Markkanen, Young & White from Bulls ... Bulls can flip Kemba to Knicks or elsewhere 6) Use TPE to get Bagley III or Holmes. Holmes would also be great at 4/5 but I don't see Kings parting with him. 7) Still need an experienced SG for threes ... Lou Williams, Wayne Ellington, Kent Bazemore or Josh Hart are all available from $2-8MM/yr Sounds good...like you posted earlier today, get a taller point guard who can distribute the ball, some help at PF and center...and hopefully a new coach!...
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2021 12:49:59 GMT -5
To free up cap space to sign DinWiddie we'd need to give up Fournier for that TPE and Trade Kemba first. We will save $4MM more from not resigning OJ and Kornet. If we stretch Edwards that's another $1.5MM Oh, and since OJ is a FA, send Grant or Edwards to the Bulls with Kemba instead. Those moves should put us almost $20MM under the cap or enough to sign DinWiddie as a FA.
Still under the cap after DinWiddie, Sign Noel with the Non-taxpayer MLE for $7-8MM/yr.
Now, over the cap use the TPE's for any bench help and one of those SG's who s/b potential S&Ts from existing teams for a TPE and a 2nd rd pick. This trade will be executed last as the S&T will hard cap them.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 13:04:18 GMT -5
To free up cap space to sign DinWiddie we'd need to give up Fournier for that TPE and Trade Kemba first. We will save $4MM more from not resigning OJ and Kornet. If we stretch Edwards that's another $1.5MM Oh, and since OJ is a FA, send Grant or Edwards to the Bulls with Kemba instead. Those moves should put us almost $20MM under the cap or enough to sign DinWiddie as a FA. Any of those SG's s/b potential S&Ts from existing teams for a TPE and a 2nd rd pick. This trade will be executed last as the S&T will hard cap them. Bulls are going to ask for Nesmith Lansford and Prichard in that order. With Brown back we don't need all three i don't think i would part with Lansford or Prichard before Nesmith.... Prichard is just another short shooting guard he has few PGs skills...... On Kat? 20% or less.. He looks lost on D sometimes and it could all depend on this....... The Minnesota Timberwolves enter the lottery at the No. 6 spot. They have a 27.6% chance of moving up into the top three and keeping their pick. Otherwise it goes to the Golden State Warriors. If it doesn't convey they have two ist rounders in 2022.. Unless Kat asks out i see them keeping him in three years they might rise to the top in the West...
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2021 13:13:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not optimistic on KAT in green that's why I'm more inclined to get Harrell & Noel. With those two I can keep Rob and limit his minutes and keep his knee issue in check.
I really want Markkanen bad ... a stretch 4/5 with good upside potential and length. He needs some strength conditioning and an attitude to toughen him up but he'd be a great fit with Tatum & Brown. A big PG like Dinwiddie let's you give up Pritchard especially since we'd be getting a sleeper PG back in Coby White to eventually take over for DinWiddie.
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2021 13:22:03 GMT -5
New Roster:
DinWiddie - Smart - White
Brown - Hart - Langford
Tatum - Nesmith - Draft Pick
Markkanen - Bagley III - Young
RWill - Harrell - Noel
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2021 13:24:22 GMT -5
Someone here said we needed more like 7 new players than just 2 ... they were correct and here they are!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 13:37:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not optimistic on KAT in green that's why I'm more inclined to get Harrell & Noel. With those two I can keep Rob and limit his minutes and keep his knee issue in check. I really want Markkanen bad ... a stretch 4/5 with good upside potential and length. He needs some strength conditioning and an attitude to toughen him up but he'd be a great fit with Tatum & Brown. A big PG like Dinwiddie let's you give up Pritchard especially since we'd be getting a sleeper PG back in Coby White to eventually take over for DinWiddie. I was going to ask you just how we get Kat. You answered that i see... Harrell was pissed he only played 5 minutes last night.. He's all but gone. We'll be bidding against at least 5 teams for him.. I'll give up anything from Indy including Stevens. I havn't see Markhansen enough to comment.. We seem to like and dislike the same players.. I'll take your word. We need a big PF that is clear.. The damn airfare anywhere has doubled the virus here has doubled maybe tripled .. Cancun where i fly out of is going back to code orange or red. Don't visit this shithole till next year. Looks like i'm driving to El Paso in a rental car.. Drop the car off walk across the border. I just have to change cartel logos for 5 or 6 different Mexican states... 32 Hours and 14 minutes.. No nite driving advised thu any state here,
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 13:39:19 GMT -5
Someone here said we needed more like 7 new players than just 2 ... they were correct and here they are! I said 5 players ... The other two were Stevens and Ainge which makes 7 in total..
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2021 13:54:45 GMT -5
I think if you were to go after KAT, everything's on the table except Tatum & Brown.
Wait, maybe Brown is doable to get KAT as an even swap ... maybe a filler and a pick or two.
I'd consider that trade but not too many others for Brown.
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2021 14:00:33 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2021 14:01:52 GMT -5
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Post by DaCeltics on May 31, 2021 21:13:18 GMT -5
We need defensive players who can hit an open shot no matter where that is on the court, consistently.
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Post by DaCeltics on May 31, 2021 21:13:41 GMT -5
Very good defensive players.
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Post by kivancb on Jun 1, 2021 6:26:33 GMT -5
After Philly gets stomped in EC Finals (or even by the Hawks if Embiid had seriously been injured), Ben Simmons would be available. His talents are getting wasted in Philly - He ain't no PG, he should be our starting PF.
Trade Kemba, Nesmith, our 2021 1st round pick and also a 2nd round pick to Philly for Ben Simmons and George Hill.
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Post by cole on Jun 1, 2021 6:32:33 GMT -5
After Philly gets stomped in EC Finals (or even by the Hawks if Embiid had seriously been injured), Ben Simmons would be available. His talents are getting wasted in Philly - He ain't no PG, he should be our starting PF. Trade Kemba, Nesmith, our 2021 1st round pick and also a 2nd round pick to Philly for Ben Simmons and George Hill. I know that, you know that, but does Ben know that?
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Post by solly on Jun 1, 2021 7:10:22 GMT -5
See what you could get for Jaylen on the market. If something really good pops up, then consider it
Hopefully Smart and Rwill's stock have risen enough to get actual assets in a trade.
Kemba being hurt this series is worst case scenario. His stock has dropped dramatically, played a half season and his knee is already gone.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 1, 2021 7:14:00 GMT -5
First things I'd do: 1) Trade TT ($10MM is too much for what he brings) for Harrell from Lakers in even swap 2) S&T Fournier to get back another TPE ... he's doesn't have the chops or IQ to play defense at the 2/3 level. 3) Go all out for KAT 4) If KAT fails then sign Nerlens Noel to share center responsibilities with RWill & Harrell 5) Sign DinWiddie a 6'5" PG 5) Trade Kemba, OJ and 1st rd pk for Markkanen, Young & White from Bulls ... Bulls can flip Kemba to Knicks or elsewhere 6) Use TPE to get Bagley III or Holmes. Holmes would also be great at 4/5 but I don't see Kings parting with him. 7) Still need an experienced SG for threes ... Lou Williams, Wayne Ellington, Kent Bazemore or Josh Hart are all available from $2-8MM/yr since I LOVE to play armchair GM myself, let me be a bit of devils advocate here. 1) Why would the Lakers trade harrell for Thompson IF Harrell is the better player? IF Thompson is better (which the Lakers would ahve to think is the case) then the Celtics get a lesser player. Seems swapping out players with not much return to me. 2) another TPE oh goody! Ainge can add it to the other FIVE he's sitting on going into next season then. 3) KAT will cost at a minimum Brown, Rob Williams and a couple first round picks. He is under contract for three more years. I'm on the fence if KAT is worth all that myself. 4) Noel is a fine replacement for Kornet or Tacko but Thompson is a much better NBA player IMO. But he earned $5M last year and right now the Celtics only have the MLE to sign someone, not sure I would blow all my FA money on Noel myself. 5) Dinwiddle has a $12M player option for next season. If he opts out his agent has likely a deal for the same of higher in the bag. Now one could certainly make an argument that Dinwiddle is worth in the $15M range more than Fournier. 6) without even getting into the Cap rules for a RFA sign and trade.....are we really to believe that the Bulls will tarde two YOUNG top 10 picks (White, Markkanen) for a hobbled, 31YO max contract Kemba and a middle first round draft pick? I mean the other team has to get some perceived value in a trade right? 7) TPE's are pretty worthless by themselves, BUT Ainge could possibly S&T Fournier for Bagley in the off-season. IN fact I could see it being Fournier for Bagley and swap of first round picks ,since Bagley is an expiring contract and has done nothing to warrant his high draft selection except get injured (think our own J. Parker part two). 8) Josh Hart will cost more than the Celtics could pay, but the other three might all be in MLE or less range next season. I rate the Bagley deal as possible. The Dinwiddle signing as not possible without DUMPING Kemba for nothing ( we are about $27M over the cap with Kemba and no rookies or holds) so to get UNDER the cap for any signing above the MLE will require taking little to no salary back for Kemba. Even then we'd have a hrd time coming up with $15M for Dinwiddle. The Chicago trade i rate as pure fantasy with green goggles of the highest degree No offence meant here and do really enjoy these off-season ideas.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 1, 2021 7:29:59 GMT -5
since we are close to the off-season and we all will have our favorite ideas pertaining top off-season moves needed/desired. maybe a primer for where Ainge ahs the Celtics going into the off-season first. www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/2021/Celtics have 12 players under contract and are less than $1M UNDER the TAX LINE next season. the only salary they can dump is J. Parker and his $2,2M no -guaranteed money. our draft pick will cost in the $3M range I think and give us 13 players. two spots left and have bird rights to sign Fournier, Semi, Kornet, Tacko and Walters. we can sign any of them for any deals Ainge likes. the only outside free agents Ainge can bring in right now would be with the MLE, since we WILL be a taxpaying team next season the MLE will be in the $6M range www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/values-of-202021-mid-level-bi-annual-exceptions.htmlAinge can also sign players on vet minimum deals. so as we see the roster (without trades) is hard to add quality players to. TPE's have little to no value in getting quality players and usually cost future draft picks to get done. IF Ainge stands pat and re-signs Fournier for a market deal of say $15M salary and uses the MLE for another player the Celtics would have a salary in the $160M Range. that's deep in the taxpaying territory for a team that is unlikely to be a championship contender next season. This is why I proposed a cap re-set is needed this off-season in another thread a few weeks back. anyhow, the task is a big one for Ainge or anyone else to IMPROVE this team in the off-season (at least by making player moves).
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Post by cole on Jun 1, 2021 7:32:26 GMT -5
The main part of this I don't like is the ainge part.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 1, 2021 7:56:16 GMT -5
New Roster: DinWiddie - Smart - White Brown - Hart - Langford Tatum - Nesmith - Draft PickMarkkanen - Bagley III - Young RWill - Harrell - Noeldouble dipping? getting White, Young and newly signed Markkanen for Kemba, Grant W.and our first is a wash on the cap, we'd still be over the tax line. that means money for only ONE free agent in the $6M range or so (MLE). I'll assume the Bagley for Fournier in a S&T swap for shits and giggles. so I fixed your roster there with your moves. add back in Pritchard, Edwards and Parker then. and you have Smart, White, Pritchard Brown, Hart (MLE), Edwards Tatum, Nesmith, Langford Markkanen, Bagley, Parker Rob W, , Harrell, Young Do-able but only IF Chicago is run by total idiots to be frank.
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Post by kdp59 on Jun 1, 2021 7:59:22 GMT -5
The main part of this I don't like is the ainge part.
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Post by Admin on Jun 1, 2021 8:01:08 GMT -5
First things I'd do: 1) Trade TT ($10MM is too much for what he brings) for Harrell from Lakers in even swap 2) S&T Fournier to get back another TPE ... he's doesn't have the chops or IQ to play defense at the 2/3 level. 3) Go all out for KAT 4) If KAT fails then sign Nerlens Noel to share center responsibilities with RWill & Harrell 5) Sign DinWiddie a 6'5" PG 5) Trade Kemba, OJ and 1st rd pk for Markkanen, Young & White from Bulls ... Bulls can flip Kemba to Knicks or elsewhere 6) Use TPE to get Bagley III or Holmes. Holmes would also be great at 4/5 but I don't see Kings parting with him. 7) Still need an experienced SG for threes ... Lou Williams, Wayne Ellington, Kent Bazemore or Josh Hart are all available from $2-8MM/yr since I LOVE to play armchair GM myself, let me be a bit of devils advocate here. 1) Why would the Lakers trade harrell for Thompson IF Harrell is the better player? IF Thompson is better (which the Lakers would ahve to think is the case) then the Celtics get a lesser player. Seems swapping out players with not much return to me. 2) another TPE oh goody! Ainge can add it to the other FIVE he's sitting on going into next season then. 3) KAT will cost at a minimum Brown, Rob Williams and a couple first round picks. He is under contract for three more years. I'm on the fence if KAT is worth all that myself. 4) Noel is a fine replacement for Kornet or Tacko but Thompson is a much better NBA player IMO. But he earned $5M last year and right now the Celtics only have the MLE to sign someone, not sure I would blow all my FA money on Noel myself. 5) Dinwiddle has a $12M player option for next season. If he opts out his agent has likely a deal for the same of higher in the bag. Now one could certainly make an argument that Dinwiddle is worth in the $15M range more than Fournier. 6) without even getting into the Cap rules for a RFA sign and trade.....are we really to believe that the Bulls will tarde two YOUNG top 10 picks (White, Markkanen) for a hobbled, 31YO max contract Kemba and a middle first round draft pick? I mean the other team has to get some perceived value in a trade right? 7) TPE's are pretty worthless by themselves, BUT Ainge could possibly S&T Fournier for Bagley in the off-season. IN fact I could see it being Fournier for Bagley and swap of first round picks ,since Bagley is an expiring contract and has done nothing to warrant his high draft selection except get injured (think our own J. Parker part two). 8) Josh Hart will cost more than the Celtics could pay, but the other three might all be in MLE or less range next season. I rate the Bagley deal as possible. The Dinwiddle signing as not possible without DUMPING Kemba for nothing ( we are about $27M over the cap with Kemba and no rookies or holds) so to get UNDER the cap for any signing above the MLE will require taking little to no salary back for Kemba. Even then we'd have a hrd time coming up with $15M for Dinwiddle. The Chicago trade i rate as pure fantasy with green goggles of the highest degree No offence meant here and do really enjoy these off-season ideas.
Trading Fournier for a $17-20MM TPE alone gets them under the cap by $10-13MM. As I pointed out, with others let go we easily can have $20MM under and a $20MM TPE to go along with the unused portion or another $11MM TPE.
That cap space gets you DinWiddie.
Lakers didn't use Harrell down the stretch or in POs ... they got Drummond instead. They don't intend to keep him (Same cap figure) and may lose Drummond to free agency. If they need another backup center they may prefer Thompson (old school center) while the C's can use Harrell as a PF/C. It depends upon what the Lakers are looking for ...
Thompson is too small for rim protection here but alongside AD he's fine and Noel will be cheaper and younger.
In another post I said I may be willing to give up Brown etal for KAT ... a core of KAT, Tatum and DinWiddie is better than Tatum & Brown.
Bulls have made their bed ... they went with Vuc. They can't afford Markkanen now. He already turned down $19MM extension. They will look to trade him rather than use the RFA. They should take the best assets they can get which would be in a S&T. If the Knicks or another team are hot for Kemba they can flip him for picks or another player in need. I think Kemba has value to the right team, just not us anymore. Will others step up with offers ... yes it's a question of what offer will ultimately bring more to the Bulls. It's a valid attempt with that 1st rd pick included and a prospect.
I think Hart can be picked up with the $11MM TPE since NOLA is at the cap and not likely to go over to keep him as a RFA. As noted, the others all s/b doable with MLE $.
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